We had a server outage, and we're rebuilding the site. Most of the site features won't work. Thank you for your patience.
imc indymedia

Los Angeles Indymedia : Activist News

white themeblack themered themetheme help
About Us Contact Us Calendar Publish RSS
latest news
best of news




A-Infos Radio

Indymedia On Air

Dope-X-Resistance-LA List


IMC Network:

Original Cities

www.indymedia.org africa: ambazonia canarias estrecho / madiaq kenya nigeria south africa canada: hamilton london, ontario maritimes montreal ontario ottawa quebec thunder bay vancouver victoria windsor winnipeg east asia: burma jakarta japan korea manila qc europe: abruzzo alacant andorra antwerpen armenia athens austria barcelona belarus belgium belgrade bristol brussels bulgaria calabria croatia cyprus emilia-romagna estrecho / madiaq euskal herria galiza germany grenoble hungary ireland istanbul italy la plana liege liguria lille linksunten lombardia london madrid malta marseille nantes napoli netherlands nice northern england norway oost-vlaanderen paris/Île-de-france patras piemonte poland portugal roma romania russia saint-petersburg scotland sverige switzerland thessaloniki torun toscana toulouse ukraine united kingdom valencia latin america: argentina bolivia chiapas chile chile sur cmi brasil colombia ecuador mexico peru puerto rico qollasuyu rosario santiago tijuana uruguay valparaiso venezuela venezuela oceania: adelaide aotearoa brisbane burma darwin jakarta manila melbourne perth qc sydney south asia: india mumbai united states: arizona arkansas asheville atlanta austin baltimore big muddy binghamton boston buffalo charlottesville chicago cleveland colorado columbus dc hawaii houston hudson mohawk kansas city la madison maine miami michigan milwaukee minneapolis/st. paul new hampshire new jersey new mexico new orleans north carolina north texas nyc oklahoma philadelphia pittsburgh portland richmond rochester rogue valley saint louis san diego san francisco san francisco bay area santa barbara santa cruz, ca sarasota seattle tampa bay tennessee urbana-champaign vermont western mass worcester west asia: armenia beirut israel palestine process: fbi/legal updates mailing lists process & imc docs tech volunteer projects: print radio satellite tv video regions: oceania united states topics: biotech

Surviving Cities

www.indymedia.org africa: canada: quebec east asia: japan europe: athens barcelona belgium bristol brussels cyprus germany grenoble ireland istanbul lille linksunten nantes netherlands norway portugal united kingdom latin america: argentina cmi brasil rosario oceania: aotearoa united states: austin big muddy binghamton boston chicago columbus la michigan nyc portland rochester saint louis san diego san francisco bay area santa cruz, ca tennessee urbana-champaign worcester west asia: palestine process: fbi/legal updates process & imc docs projects: radio satellite tv
printable version - js reader version - view hidden posts - tags and related articles

Reflections on The Green Party Event at the Knitting Factory

by Anonymous Grassroot Democrat Sunday, Aug. 05, 2001 at 12:11 AM

"what galled me was this bashing and whining and bitching and moaning the greens were doing about democrats baiting them and slamming doors in their faces during neighborhood walk-abouts. that's bad behavior from anyone and the greens are right to be pissed about it. but, that's exactly what they were doing at the benefit -- bashing me and, figuratively any way, slamming the door in my face." CAN WE LEARN?

i think the greens have some pretty good ideas -- the instant run-off, the "none-of-the-above" option on a ballot -- and i agree with a lot of their stands on the environment, big development and the corporatization of america. but they also have some ideas that are completely whacked. that's cool, though. somebody's gotta skip steps one through 10 to drag the stragglers to two. so i went to a benefit in my neighborhood to learn more.

unfortunately, i didn't really learn much about the green party platform (except that jello biafra advocates giving 5-year-olds the vote). what i did learn is that the greens are really pissed off at democrats for blowing the election. i have never been to a political rally for a group i shared views with and felt so fucking disenfranchised.

contrary to what many greens and dems will tell you, there's no one reason gore couldn't/didn't win. dems who lay blame solely on the greens are just avoiding the real issue which is what the fuck is wrong with our party (and there's a LOT wrong). greens who say it's all gore are just as delusional. scapegoats are easy. the truth is hard. there's a constellation of reasons king george is now leading (and i use that term loosely) the country. and it's going to take a constellation of solutions (including some partisan cross-breeding) to get him out.

what galled me was this bashing and whining and bitching and moaning the greens were doing about democrats baiting them and slamming doors in their faces during neighborhood walk-abouts. that's bad behavior from anyone and the greens are right to be pissed about it. but, that's exactly what they were doing at the benefit -- bashing me and, figuratively any way, slamming the door in my face.

the greens were up there talking about what bastards the dems were. that we're the only ones holding a smoking gun. sort of like, everyone sucks, we rock. if you don't think like us, you're stupid or evil or both. their arrogance and righteous indignation left me thinking they were no better than the people they presented as the bad guys. they played right into every negative stereotype people at large have about greens. they seemed like fringe players who were just as exclusive as the other parties. and their platform started getting lost in the vitriol.

all their talk of being the party of inclusion seemed awfully duplicitous when they were making me feel very EXCLUDED because i voted for gore, because i hold them somewhat accountable for the aftermath, because i think the real way to push change is from the bottom up in local, then state, then national elections. when in god's name did *i*, the dyed in the wool liberal democrat, become the bad guy? the way they were talking *i* was an establishmentarian whore. talk about seeing the enemy and it's us.

i know the concept of back-room politicking is anathema to the greens, but i fail to see what's wrong with sitting down for a cigar and a little deal-making if it gets you one step closer to the change you really want. where the hell is that ethic (in ANY party) these days? when did everybody become so goddamned partisan?

the greens don't seem to understand that they NEED people like us, the dems who're willing to vote libertarian or green or independent because we vote on issues, not party lines. in my district there are 2000 registered greens and their candidate needs 2000 more votes. if she's going to get those, it's reasonable to assume they'll come from dems. but if the greens keep up their dem-bashing antics, they'll lose us. and the opportunity to win will go with us. i know i walked in there thinking i'd vote for her. now i'm not so sure.

Report this post as:

Listed below are the 10 latest comments of 2 posted about this article.
These comments are anonymously submitted by the website visitors.
A Reply from an LA Green Hieronymous D Sunday, Aug. 05, 2001 at 6:21 AM
reply from an LA GREEN ANARCHIST ? Monday, Aug. 06, 2001 at 6:37 AM

Local News

Woolsey Fire: Worst News of 2018? J01 12:18AM

Oppose Environmentally-Harmful Development D10 4:03AM

Oppose Environmentally-Harmful Development D10 3:58AM

OUR HOUSE Grief Support Center Presents Night for Hope O30 5:38PM

Marshall Tuck’s racist dog whistle O27 5:01AM

Marshall Tuck’s ethnocentrism contradicts Californian values O27 4:32AM

Contra Costa-Hawkins O25 3:48AM

Debunking Some Anti-Prop 10 Propaganda O12 6:56AM

Why Should California Choose De Leon Over Feinstein? O10 9:55PM

Change Links September 2018 posted S02 10:22PM

More Scandals Rock Southern California Nuke Plant San Onofre A30 11:09PM

Site Outage Friday A30 3:49PM

Change Links August 2018 A14 1:56AM

Setback for Developer of SC Farm Land A12 11:09PM

More problems at Shutdown San Onofre Nuke J29 10:40PM

Change Links 2018 July posted J09 8:27PM

More Pix: "Families Belong Together," Pasadena J02 7:16PM

"Families Belong Together" March, Pasadena J02 7:08PM

Short Report on the Families Belong Together Protest in Los Angeles J30 11:26PM

More Local News...

Other/Breaking News

“Animaniacs in Concert!” Starring Voice Legend Rob Paulsen Heads to the Lincoln Center J23 8:45PM




Paraphysique du burnout post-démocratique J23 9:06AM

911 : establishment terror J22 11:18PM

Actor Patrick Kilpatrick Discusses and Signs his New Book Dying for Living J22 10:42PM

The Attack of Corporations and the Rich on the Rest of Society J22 2:36PM

bataclown J22 12:32PM

bataclone J21 8:08PM


Mobile Royale Hack Online Generator - Get Unlimited Crystals J21 3:03PM

Unification, séparation et fragmentation J21 2:48PM

Testing Upload J21 7:10AM



Chemtrails and Prince J20 2:43PM

Wages For Housework J20 2:41PM

Tutelle comportementaliste J20 9:18AM

A Mistake: Jesse Jackson-Toyota deal-in Lexington -Ky is .8 billion over 10 years 2018 J20 1:17AM

If Trump Declares a AantionalEmergency, He'll Be Breaking the Law J20 12:47AM

Jesse Jackson's Sneak Attck on Toyota Lexington Ky and it's workers 2018 J19 9:12PM

Video: Chris Herdges in Eugene, 1 hr 24 min J19 5:37PM



Judge Delays Ruling on Puerto Rico Debt Deal White House Opposes Island's Food Assistance J18 6:04PM



More Breaking News...
© 2000-2018 Los Angeles Independent Media Center. Unless otherwise stated by the author, all content is free for non-commercial reuse, reprint, and rebroadcast, on the net and elsewhere. Opinions are those of the contributors and are not necessarily endorsed by the Los Angeles Independent Media Center. Running sf-active v0.9.4 Disclaimer | Privacy