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How Our Ancient Indigenous Ancestors of Mexico Viewed and Punished Lesbianism

by La Voz de Aztlan Monday, Apr. 30, 2001 at 4:13 PM
LaVoz@Aztlan.Net (505) 215-4825 P.O. Box 4282, Whittier, CA 90607

Estimada Raza de Aztlan

La Voz de Aztlan recently published an article concerning the desecration of the image of La Virgen de Guadalupe by lesbian artists. We received a significant large number of letters. The large percentage of the letters supported our editorial but there where a few letters that were full of hate.

Some of the most hate filled letters came from people that claimed to be Mexicas or Aztecas. We believe that these people are fakes and phonies. They are "agent provocateurs" that actually work for our enemies. The letters used foul language and insulted "La Virgen" even further. Some of these letters started with "F___k La Virgen de Guadalupe" and other similar phrases. They generally said that "Tonatzin" was a lie. That it was an invention by the Catholic Spaniards to convert "los indios".

Another theme in the letters was that the Mexicas of ancient times looked upon lesbianism and homosexuality favorably and that La Voz de Aztlan should not criticize this lifestyle. We would like to dispel the notion that "Los Aztecas" viewed homosexuality with kindness.

The promotion of the homosexual lifestyle is in fact being promoted by our enemies in order to destroy our culture. These enemies have infiltrated many of our organizations and groups within our culture. They accomplish this through the granting of funds and through the brainwashing of susceptible youths. Their purpose is to weaken the social fiber of "La Cultura Mexicana."

The enemy is very resourceful and very intelligent. They take their time and create "political movements" that will serve their interests. One objective is to "emasculate" La Raza. One movement that was invented by our enemies was the so called "feminist movement". The enemy empowers lesbians to lead this one particular movement. One reason we as Mexicans are winning the demographic war in Aztlan is because "white feminists" have been able to emasculate their white men. We must not let this same thing happen to many of our youths who are in their development stage. Presently, the enemy has incarcerated many of our youths who exhibit normal heterosexual behaviors, on trumped-up charges, while at the same time they have purposedly recruited many "effeminate types" as students for the USA colleges and universities. This is the primary reason they have been able to take over Chicano Studies through the Lesbian and Joto Caucuses of the National Association of Chicano and Chicana Studies (NACCS).

In order to dispel the notion by some Mexicas that the Aztecs viewed homosexuality favorably, we are presenting the irrefutable scholarly work of DR. BERNARDA REZA RAMÍREZ of the "Universidad Abierta de Mexico". Her research is in the area of "legal theory" and specially on the legal concepts of our indigenous ancestors. She describes how the various indigenous groups in Mexico viewed "lesbianism" and "homosexuality" and how they "punished" their practices. In fact she says that our ancient cultures all viewed these deviations as "anti-social acts" and had "Draconian" measures to deal with them. Below is a summary of Dr. Ramirez' work. We have highlighted the punishments meted out for "incest", "lesbianism" and "homosexuality." The punishment for "homosexuality" was particularly cruel and depended on whether the punished was 'el sujeto activo" or "el sujeto pasivo". The actual research is at:
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I also think this is really fucked up

by ipple Monday, Apr. 30, 2001 at 4:37 PM

Besides its devisive rhetoric, it speaks of outdated notions of identity. Yes its good to stick up for an outlawed identity, but when that identity becomes as facistic as others, then we got problems. Whoever posted this thing, um, get a life.
All power to all people
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This is fascist trash

by Justice Monday, Apr. 30, 2001 at 5:10 PM

First anti-Semitism, now homophobia from this crackpot group called La Voz de Aztlan. This is clearly a group of thugs intent upon attacking progressive media. Such thugs are usually agents of the capitalist class.
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Warning

by proffr@fuckmicrosoft.com Monday, Apr. 30, 2001 at 5:22 PM

Should your facist claptrap lead to harm on my jewish and gay friends,I will come after you with a meat axe.You have been warned.
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"OUR" ancestors? Not mine.

by White Reader Monday, Apr. 30, 2001 at 11:32 PM

I have no ancestors in Mexico. You must have presumed that everyone is Mexican at this site. We are not all Mexican.
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check your sources

by Anthony Navarrete Tuesday, May. 01, 2001 at 1:28 PM
pochotlan@home.com

It is clear that La Voz is just the latest in the tired old line of racist, anti-Semitic, misogynist, and homophobic organizations that the Chicana/o community has seen. It is too bad that organizations that are interested in interrogating the issue of racism and white privilege in society are so blind to their own prejudice. But that too is a long tradition.

Two things to remember with their claims about the Aztecs:

#1 The Aztecs are one grouping of indigenous peoples in what is now Mexico, but in no way are they the single indigenous culture of Mexico. There are many different cultures there now as there were 500 years ago, and each of them had their own way of dealing, disciplining or honoring same sex sexual activity. The Aztec was also an evolving culture. Just because they were a patriarchal tribe when Cortez encountered them, doesn't mean they were always that way.

#2 It was due to the fact that the Aztecs became such a war-like tribe, that the surrounding indigenous communities HELPED Cortez defeat them! Macho patriarchs are always gonna piss people off. They are just no damn good. So why honor the fact that they may have (according to some research) persecuted individuals engaged in homosexuality? Aztec society, while rich in many things, and it should be studied, understood and honored, is NO blueprint for life in the 21st century.

My vision of Aztlan is one where bigots are not in charge! If we are just going to change the face of oppression from white to brown, why bother to fight….

Thankfully, most of the community knows these vatos as the hypocrites they are.

C/S
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