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by HUMAN ECONOMIC RIGHTS ORGANIZER
Thursday, Jan. 04, 2001 at 10:27 PM
THE WAFARE WHICH ERUPTED IN EASTERN INDIA AT THE HANDS OF ULTRA-VIOLENT NAXALITES A NEO MAOIST GROUP WANTING TO OVERTHROW INDIAN SOCIETY WITH FIREARMS IS AN ALLY OF C. CLARK KISSINGER. THIS GROUP SAID OF THE 1 BILLION DOLLAR LA RIOT in 1992: "THEY DID NO CRIME THEY'LL DO NO TIME, IT'S RIGHT TO REBEL." IT IS NOT THAT WAY--TO DESTROY THE HARD LIVES OF PEOPLE. RENOUNCE THE VIOLENCE. STOP THE VIOLENCE. SUPPORT AN END TO THE WAR IN NEPAL.
COMMUNISTS KILLED BETWEEN 28 to 50 MILLION IN CHINA in GREAT LEAP FORWARD 1958-1962.
THE PERUVIAN COMMUNIST PARTY DYNAMITED THE US, FRENCH, SOVIET, CHINESE EMBASSIES IN PERU. DOZENS OF MAYORS WERE KILLED, 7 BILLION DOLLARS OF DAMAGE TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE COUNTRY WAS DONE BY SHINING PATH MEMBERS--PEOPLE WHO ALSO HUNG DOGS FROM POWER POLES AS THREATS AND THREW DYNAMITE AT 'REVISIONISTS'. SHINING PATH CLAIMED CREDIT FOR 40,000 ACTIONS in THE FIRST YEARS OF A WAR IT BEGAN BY BURNING BALLOTS.THIS WAS IN 1980.THE NISSAN DEALERSHIP WAS DYNAMITED.YES, THE ARMY KILLED MANY BUT HUMAN RIGHTS GROUPS IN PERU HAVE CONSISTENLY POINTED OUT THAT THE PERUVIAN COMMUNIST PARTY AND ITS INTERNATIONAL APOLOGISTS IN THE RIM AND OTHERS HAVE DONE AN INCREDIBLE JOB AT DESTROYING A LOT OF THE BASICS ABOUT THE COUNTRY AND MADE IT EASY FOR FUJIMORI TO CONTROL FOR AWHILE. TAKE A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY--DESTROY ITS BRIDGES--ITS ELECTRICAL SUBSTATIONS--ITS HOTELS--LEAVE HUNDREDS OFCARBOMBS IN CITIES ASSASINATE ITS MAYORS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS TO ITS FARMERS, THE TRAVELERS ECONOMY. THEN CLAIM THAT IT'S HEAD ABIMAEL GUZMAN IS A POLITICAL PRISONER---HE IS NO NELSON MANDELA!!!
THEIR ALSO WAS NO GOVERNMENTAL SUPPORT OF BIRTH CONTROL IN CHINA UNTIL ABOUT 1970. THE COMMUNIST PARTY IS A MINORITY THEIR AND ONLY HAS ABOUT 10 MILLION MEMBERS. THEY WERE TAUGHT BY MAO THAT ONE MOUTH HAD TWO HANDS SO YOU COULD WORK YOURSELF OUT OF POVERTY BY HAVING A FEW KIDS. THE POPULATION MUSHROOMED FROM ROGHLY 600 MILLION IN THE LATE 1950's to 1.3 BILLION TODAY.
TAIWAN ALLOWS FOR 2 CHILDREN PER FAMILY. STILL THE GOUMINGDANG HAD SOME SERIOUS BRUTALITY AGAINST PEOPLE IN A LARGE FIGHT WITH CIGARETTE SELLERS THAT ESCALATED INTO A LARGER RIOT THE EXACT FIGURE IS UNKNOWN.STILL THE PERCENTAGES IN NO WAY COMPARE TO COMMUNIST PARTY KILLINGS. ALSO TAIWANESE SOCIETY IS MADE OF SOME ABORIGONAL ELEMENTS, NATIVE TAIWANESE ISLANDERS AND RECENT IMMIGRANTS FROM THE MAINLAND. CHANG KAISHEK HAD A MILD TYPE OF ONE PARTY RULE WITH NO ELECTIONS; A MILDER DICTATORSHIP THAT ENDED 6 OR 7 YEARS AGO. NO MASSIVE INVASIONS OF TIBET, LABOR THOUGHT REEDUCATION, MASSIVE FAMINES OR ARMS SENT TO CAMBODIA AND VIETNAM FOR WARS THERE.
B-52's ARE BAD ENOUGH-SO ARE 3,000 MEMBERS OF POL POTS COMMUNIST ARMY WITH AK-47's MANUFACTURED IN AN ARMS PLANT SOUTH OF SHANGHAI.
A LOT OF CHINESE ARE GOOD PEOPLE. LIKE AMERICANS THEY ARE FED UP WITH CORRUPTION AND POLICE KILLINGS OF FALUN DAFA, FIGHTING AGAINST UIGHURS BY HAN CHINESE.
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by Someone or Anyone
Saturday, Jan. 06, 2001 at 3:34 AM
Ok its interesting how you celebrate all the means of change that are innefective and smashing those that are actually effective."By any means neccesary" thats what it'll take! And as Abbie Hoffman put it :"While Gandhi was fasting in jail, guerrillas blew up trains throughout India. When Martin Luther King Jr., prayed, blacks rioted, and armed groups formed in the ghettos. Violence and the threat of violence have a good track record when it comes to changing the minds of people in power". Now I'm not personally advocating one or the other and I dont feel theyre opposed but they need to be seen as overall tactics and neither is to be discarded.
We cant smash each other on our beleifs I'm a marxist but I don't smash anarchists even though I disagree. As far as the death tolls by mao... thats kind of absurd when you keep in mind that alll the sources that indicate that toll of people are all issued by the state dept. and its flunkies when you match it up with relaity the number of 40 or 50 or 500 million thats thrown around is beyond absurd.
That is all.
-Someone
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by jed
Saturday, Jan. 06, 2001 at 3:31 PM
This diatribe targets what is best about the RCP and their international federation, the Revolutionary Internationalist Movement. The author claims to be an "economic rights" activist, yet absolutely opposes the most visible forces who fight for the political power of the working class.
Every revolutionary movement has problems, I'll be the first to admit that. But the fact that the Communist Party of Peru, the Naxalite guerillas of India and the heroic red armies in Nepal are fighting is a testimony to the tenacity of popular movements. All of these forces have demonstrable support bases among peasants in their countries. None of them are overly impressed with international development agencies or their own national middle classes. They want to separate their countires immediately and unilaterally from the current imperial globalization. For this, if nothing else, we should support them.
Disinformation against liberation movements is nothing new. Residents of the United States must understand clearly that communist movements have been, and continue to be, the main vehicle for overthrowing capitalist regimes. Maybe they've had flaws, even big ones, but at their worst they are a thousand times better than the WTO and the IMF imposed theft of the world's riches.
Keep to the high road and maybe we can overcome instead of just complaining and resisting.
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by z
Sunday, Jan. 07, 2001 at 6:35 PM
Those figures are from many sources: including chinese who are often lied to by their own goverment. Stain killed up to 20 million people. Many Aid projects are vital. There are many that are not connected with the IMF and many radicial movements are good that are non communist. Abbie Hoffman would never endorse Naxalites killing hundreds in Eastern India and cutting off their heads which was done in the name of liberation. You need to study in a library for a year or two before you become an expert. Remember Mao killed millions of politically incorrect experts--they would not let journalists go to those areas! Non violence like MANDELA!! Nelson that is.
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by z
Sunday, Jan. 07, 2001 at 6:35 PM
Those figures are from many sources: including chinese who are often lied to by their own goverment. Stain killed up to 20 million people. Many Aid projects are vital. There are many that are not connected with the IMF and many radicial movements are good that are non communist. Abbie Hoffman would never endorse Naxalites killing hundreds in Eastern India and cutting off their heads which was done in the name of liberation. You need to study in a library for a year or two before you become an expert. Remember Mao killed millions of politically incorrect experts--they would not let journalists go to those areas! Non violence like MANDELA!! Nelson that is.
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by Knowledgeable
Friday, Jan. 19, 2001 at 12:18 AM
Guys, it wasn't C. Clark Kissinger, it was Henry Kissinger. Now apologize.
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by behrooz navaii
Friday, Nov. 02, 2001 at 8:02 AM
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At the time when imperialism is pulling off its final mask to become Globlized, criticizing any activity of third world countries is not fair.
Why shouldn't we think of finding a way to change US itself? Sure, it's been done. but tomorrow is never like yesterday.
Regaining Andes are for them, but reharmonizing,etc. with nature in the so called American Indian's occupied territories in our agenda! What do we want to do here? let them make another Chernobyl out of California? 150 more nuclear power stations just makes us more fat and make here end up with large cockroaches. Let us learn more from Food not Bombs and EZLN to Sandinistas and FARC...
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