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by geoff oliver-bugbee
Tuesday, Aug. 15, 2000 at 7:10 PM
geo@mcn.org
Students at Pershing Square wearing black bandanas over their mouths to symbolize the silencing of Mumia Abu-Jamal.
Downtown Los Angeles.
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by Ira Broundov
Tuesday, Aug. 15, 2000 at 7:29 PM
prefer state to
I won't put my face out there either!!! This is NOT a FREE country!!!
Many want to avoid it, but this is practically fascism we live under.
One thing I want to mention is how important it is to protect and respect each other.
I happen to be gay, and many times I felt unsafe around my own protesting folks because they were more obsessed with the fact I was marching with another man, than feeling solidarity for the same cause.
We need to grow up!!!If you see a pig (blueshirt) harrassing gay people, don't just laugh and walk by, safely keep your distance and observe what's goping on.
If you see someone of a different color than yourself being harrassed by pigs, keep a safe distance and watch them.
We,re not going to be havinfg sex together, so what someone dresses like, looks like walks arm and arm with doesn't matter. What matters is we've got a bunch of pigs out here who think they can profile and beat up protesters, gays, other queers, blacks, latinos, sex workers, journalists and politicians they don'y like.
The injustice system, pigs and the conservative politicians are our dangerous enemies. Not each other.
not
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by Ira Broundov
Tuesday, Aug. 15, 2000 at 7:30 PM
prefer state to
I won't put my face out there either!!! This is NOT a FREE country!!!
Many want to avoid it, but this is practically fascism we live under.
One thing I want to mention is how important it is to protect and respect each other.
I happen to be gay, and many times I felt unsafe around my own protesting folks because they were more obsessed with the fact I was marching with another man, than feeling solidarity for the same cause.
We need to grow up!!!If you see a pig (blueshirt) harrassing gay people, don't just laugh and walk by, safely keep your distance and observe what's goping on.
If you see someone of a different color than yourself being harrassed by pigs, keep a safe distance and watch them.
We,re not going to be havinfg sex together, so what someone dresses like, looks like walks arm and arm with doesn't matter. What matters is we've got a bunch of pigs out here who think they can profile and beat up protesters, gays, other queers, blacks, latinos, sex workers, journalists and politicians they don'y like.
The injustice system, pigs and the conservative politicians are our dangerous enemies. Not each other.
not
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by An Observer
Tuesday, Aug. 15, 2000 at 8:49 PM
By pigs, do you mean police? And the next time something goes bump in the night and you are scared, or the next time someone steals from you, or crashes into your car, or the next time someone bashes you because of your orientation...who you gonna call you sorry bigot? Pigs, as you say, come in all colors, religions and orientations. They have lives, families, feelings, and concerns for the planet, children, education, animals and even you. They are not given the option of deciding whether they like you or not before they risk their ass to save yours. Blind hatred based on race, religion, orientation, culture or even profession is the same intolerance you are crying about you hypocrite!
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by Spider Jerusalem
Tuesday, Aug. 15, 2000 at 9:33 PM
Who will I call? Surely not the police. Thanks for managing to massively miss the point- that the police aren't here to protect the common citizen. How many crimes against ordinary average people have been prevented by the police? As a force, they are by definition reactive - at least as far as the standard 911 call is concerned.
But look what happens when the rich and powerful gather, and the common citizen wishes to be heard above the corporate din! Suddenly the police are *pro*active, able to leap tall Amendments in a single bound, harrassing, beating, and arresting whomever the aforementioned rich and powerful disagree with, being pulled in droves away from areas of the city riddled with violent crimes in order to overwhelm and annihilate the people's rights to assemble and speak freely.
And as for your assertion that the police "cannot show any bias," one wonders what orifice you use to store your cranium in. When you parrot the official statements of a corrupt government and place that "information" at a higher value than the evidence of your own eyes and ears, you've already been successfully assimilated. If you can honestly say with a straight face that you believe cops don't give in to personal bias, prejudice, or hatreds, well, you keep on watching CNN and stay holed up in your house.
But i tell you what: since your so open-minded and against hypocrasy, go out to the protest sites as a private citizen taking a walk around your city. Wear a single, unassuming and vague button such as "end bigotry" or "non-violence" or "hate is not a family value." Then at the end of the day tell us about the benevolence of the law-enforcement communities of this country.
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by An Observer
Tuesday, Aug. 15, 2000 at 11:25 PM
I did not assert that all cops are good, merely that they are people and there are good ones, bad ones, stupid ones, smart ones, evil ones, pretty ones, ugly ones, fat, thin, black, white, brown, college educated, uneducated, etc, etc, etc, etc....the point is that blind hatred, directed at any group based on a stereo type is wrong, and if you don't get that, you are no better than those you rail against. AS for your dare, I have done that many times and have never had a bad experience when I treated cops like humans..sort of that do unto others approach. They are doing a job, paying their rent, sending their kids to school and worrying about many of the same things you do. Get a grip....
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by Robin Banks
Tuesday, Aug. 15, 2000 at 11:32 PM
robinbanks@disinfo.net
My comments on the usefulness of the police ...
I came to my perspective on cops not because of some anti-cop music I heard, or some radical manifesto, but through direct experience. I could cite dozens of examples but I'll just recount a few.
Every time I have called the cops in regards to a crime, they have been less than helpful. No crime committed against me has ever been solved by the police. I'm talking about breaking into my house, stealing my girlfriend's purse, making threats against my life, stealing my bicycles, assaulting my friends -- very serious crimes. The police did nothing. In several instances they were very openly contemptuous of me because I expected them to solve the crime!
Every time I have been stopped by cops because I am suspected of a crime, it has been a disaster. 9 pm at night, walking home alone, suddenly surrounded by 10 police cars and cops with guns drawn, detaining me for hours because "someone reported shots in the area." Of course, I hadn't heard any shots at all. Harassed by plainclothes cops while putting up political posters. Harassed by uniformed cops while engaging in a perfectly legal (even city-approved!) demo for Mumia.
For fairness' sake, I should point out that I have dealt with many cops who were polite, amicable, and apologetic for their inability to help me (or for their willingness to accuse me of a crime). However, those cops are sadly a minority on the police force.
I think that the average person's contempt for cops usually comes from direct experience. I also think that people who do not share this direct experience shouldn't castigate others for their opinions based on experience. If you haven't lived it, you wouldn't understand.
Thanks,
Robin
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by crypto
Wednesday, Aug. 16, 2000 at 4:21 PM
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the fact is the police to not have to protect you the supreme court has even stated that fact several times the only person the can protect yourself is yourself! to protect and serve is at the police officers descretion.
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by darby crash
Saturday, Aug. 19, 2000 at 9:01 PM
mt tia@hotmail.com
pig is a pig and thats that for more info rwor.org is the way to go
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by SyntaX
Wednesday, Aug. 30, 2000 at 9:47 PM
anonymous@revolutionary.org 800.N0T.4YOU haha
I have never had a good experience when dealing with a police officer. They have all been rude, obnoxious, and ignorant. Not once have they helped me once, when is the last time you heard of an officer finding someone who broke into a victims car? The only reason they show up is record statistics. They harass and ridicule. They are TOOLS.
SyntaX
"For the People, By the People", my ass.
127.0.0.1
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