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Bush and Undocumented's.

by laborfirst wagesfirst Thursday, Jan. 08, 2004 at 11:26 PM

More foreign workers = lower wages.

Supply and demand is a simple process.

The more people who can come to this country and are willing to work for low wages. The lower the wages will go, those who hold out for higher wages will be without jobs.

This move by George w. will break the back of labor unions. Grocery strikers, get ready to be replaced by people willing to work for $5.00 per hour plus tips. Or minimal piece-work pay scale.

Nobody will win in this arraingement. Foreign workers will be prevented from persuing citizenship at the risk of losing retirement monies. Those who stay will not recieve their "financial incentives". Those who are citizens will have to compete with a legitimized army of millions of foreign workers who are supporting families on foreign economies and willing to work for far far less.

a counterexample

by more rational Friday, Jan. 09, 2004 at 2:10 AM

This is a racist post, calling all immigration "undocumented". But, it's not as unfair as the current immigration laws.

Immigration law favors the middle class, and it creates a brain drain from other countries that enriches the US.

Local social policies create and maintain a poverty that splits the labor market into the well paid, highly skilled, and the deskilled and underpaid.

This split is mirrored in immigration law, that basically creates two labor groups. There are the skilled immigrants, like nurses and doctors from the Philippines, engineers from India, and the like, who are invited here to fill labor shortages. These immigrants actually help the economy substantially, by helping to create one of America's biggest exports: intellectual property. By being here, they are not "there" helping their home economies to improve.

Then, there are the "illegals" who are allowed in (more or less) and compete for low wage jobs with poor locals. The "illegals" are kept this way, so that they are deprived of rights, and in effect, causes a decline of labor standards for all poor people.

To blame the immigrants is ignorant at best, and is racist. If there's anyone to blame, it's business.

(I think the solution is to allow some immigration into low wage jobs, legally. Not "guest worker" programs. Not "amnesty". Just let some people in.)

I agree

by Me Friday, Jan. 09, 2004 at 8:31 AM

This is nothing more than reverse GATT/NAFTA. All a company has to do is claim they could not find anyone that would to do the job they want done at the price they want to pay and bring in a slave to do the work!



I can see it now. "We had no applicants that would take the job of scrubbing toilets and loading dynamite for minimum wage here in NY.... We need to import a worker willing to live in a one bedroom appartment with 4 other families so they can get by on the wage we want to pay for the job we need done...."

Yeah it's all too clear.....

one way to create poverty

by more rational Friday, Jan. 09, 2004 at 11:53 AM

One way to create poverty is to force open the market to agricultural goods from America. American farming is so efficient that the government pays farms to not produce food. By opening these markets, American farmers can sell into these countries.

It sounds good, at first, because it means that the food prices will drop. The consequence, though, is tens of thousands of small farmers losing their land. They are forced into seeking jobs in the cities. When those jobs don't materialize, they emigrate to the big cities or free trade zones.

From there, they emigrate to the global North.

Those fallow lands can be bought by the ag companies and turned back into farms. These farms could produce what American farmers do, but for even less than they could do it, because of less regulation. The food could then be imported back into the US to destroy the lives of American farmers.


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