Solving The Enigma Of Media Manipulation

Beware the Gatekeepers who distract from discovering true facts...

 

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No mystery in American history is ever solved because the actual facts of each case never reach the public for adequate examination and resolution. I mean, we still haven't solved the questions of who murdered Presidents Zachary Taylor and Abraham Lincoln, never mind who killed the Kennedy brothers or Martin Luther King.

 

And this likely will be the fate of the investigation into the tragedies of September 11, 2001 " we will never learn who did what: who planned it, who executed it, who made money off it " although we do have a pretty good idea who is covering it up, since the perpetrators regularly embarrass themselves in full public view with their endless expectorations of false statements and lame lies.

 

The real reason these mysteries are never solved is not because of any coverup by government officials or rich power brokers. The reason these mysteries are never solved is because of the pathetic state of our news media, which are wholly controlled by the very same men who commit these colossal crimes that injure us all.

 

Most journalists have never told the truth about politics; they only are allowed to say what their bosses let them say. And almost always, if the newspaper or TV station is a big one, their bosses won't let them tell the truth about practically anything.

 

This is no idle complaint, no sour grape cocktail.

 

We are prevented from acquiring the information necessary to live honest and productive lives: prevented by our schools, which limit the spectrum of functional data that shapes the way we think as we grow up; by our hallowed institutions, which exist at the whim of power structures whose real workings we have little cognizance of; and by the public utterances of people we consider heroes, whose words may inspire us at the time they are uttered, but whose achievements, considered from the perspective of history, often do not match the deeds that made them admired in the first place.

 

Consider for a moment the historical perspectives of George Washington, who eagerly endorsed the slaughter of natives for the purpose of claiming land in the Ohio territory, or of Franklin Roosevelt, who supposedly brought us out of the Great Depression but now is better known for manipulating geopolitics to get us into World War II by creating the conditions that the led the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor.

 

Now, as we wring our hands while America morphs from beacon of liberty to the most sinister oppressor of all people in the world, we come to another realization " if we are mature and wise enough to understand the USA has always been a militaristic machine, first taming a wilderness continent peopled by beings we called savages, now conquering a world occupied by individuals we disparagingly regard as inferior foreigners.

 

We come to understand that our prosperity is wholly dependent on conquest and exploitation of those less alert than ourselves. That this beastly attitude has been transformed into heroic legends is simply good public relations. Everybody needs to feel good about themselves, no matter what they are doing. Thus America has crafted for itself a history packed with glorious campaigns and noble efforts. The trail of corpses this history has produced is seldom mentioned.

 

And thus it is with 9/11.

 

Many high officials of the current United States government clearly know who planned and carried out the murderous attacks of September 11, 2001. The names of the perpetrators are clearly available in the records of those agencies that monitor stock transactions, specifically the "put" options bought by as yet publicly unidentified individuals in the days immediately prior to 9/11, names kept secret by the confidentiality laws of bankers.

 

The sad fact is that these names are kept secret even though release of them could shed cleansing light on the cynical murders of 3,000 Americans, 5,000 Afghanis and 10,000 Iraqis in the past two years. The secrecy of banking laws trumps the necessity of bringing mass murderers to justice. It always has and it always will. For the world is about money and exploitation, it is not about justice and honor. In America especially, mass murder of innocents is not as serious a crime as betraying financial trust, according to law.

 

So, many individuals associated with the U.S. government know full well who is responsible for 9/11. But they will go to their graves with the secret, because too much money has been made from the deception, and there is still a lot more money to be made in the overzealous military response to a tragedy that was devised for that very purpose.

 

And it's not merely those insider elitists who made money off their timely investments, with full knowledge of the charade that was about to be played, who are the killers.

 

As researcher Walter Burien has pointed out, the guilty parties are much closer to home, and more well known than anonymous moneymen protected by secrecy laws of their own creation. Burien's words paint an ominous picture:

 

"If you look at "WHO" was holding the majority of "SHORT" derivative positions on the domestic and international stock index markets prior to 9-11, and then reaped over a trillion dollars in profits within days from the ensuing collapse of those physical markets, you will find in that group who was responsible for 9-11. There is one problem in finding this out. That being government controls the release of that information by the SEC and CFTC. A small conflict of interest exists here, being that the results of that study would show the U.S. Federal Government was holding the majority of the international "SHORT" positions! The promoted airline stock option transaction that most people have heard about in the news is truly minuscule chump change in comparison.

 

"Yes, government is preparing for an uprising in this country. They need to direct the public eye to a faraway enemy so that they can secure control here. Greed has thrived within government circles. The result of that greed has been obscene and the resulting damage to the morals and health of this country in response is sickening.

 

"The results of the takeover of the American wealth has been done almost exclusively on paper through manipulation of the legislature and the judiciary over the last 60 years with the cooperation of the syndicated news media and education. With the conquest being done by transferring the wealth on paper, the consequences for the "takers" was virtually nonexistent!"

 

There you have real American history, not reported by any newspapers or TV shows. It comes off a website in Arizona that is about to shut down (June 12) for lack of money. The foregoing is an excerpt from "Market Reality: Know What is Going On" by Walter J. Burien. Visit his complete website here: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/cafr1/CAFR.html

 

(And send him money, if you can, before it's too late. He's one of the last of the real newsmen.)

 

So we know who perpetrated 9/11. We know the Muslim hijacker rap was just a deception aimed at creating sympathy for Israel, and allowing it to continue its brutal genocide of the Palestinians while the world's attention was distracted. The deception also provided breathing space for the multinational oil giants who seek to carve up the geography of the Middle East for their own advantage. So a few thousand Americans and other assorted infidels had to die. That's just the way it is in the real world, I'm sure Dick Cheney would tell you.

 

 

Most intelligent Americans already know you can't trust what you see on the TV news. But it's very important to point that out to your friends and neighbors who think they can. If you base what you believe on what you see on TV, you are guaranteed to be deceived.

 

From the perspective of the future, I see Tom Brokaw, Dan Rather, Peter Jennings and Wolf Blitzer as stick figure puppets dancing on the strings of their masters, mouthing false words scripted by drooling demons counting their money in advance of their latest robbery.

 

How else can one explain the total absence of the most important issues to all humanity on the TV news?

 

The most critical issue of the continuing massacre of innocents in Iraq " and one tragically close-to-home for deceived Americans " is the impact of radioactive ammunition on those who did not die in the high-tech bloodbath. All who participated in that murderous charade face a guaranteed future of agonizing disease and death from uranium poisoning, the sick legacy of cruel cynics making money off the recycling of carcinogenic nuclear waste into armor-piercing ordnance.

 

We already know how this story goes from the first Gulf War. Three hundred thousand American veterans sickened, ten thousand already dead. Servicemen's wives with radioactive uteruses, American babies grotesquely deformed. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis crippled by cancer or born with burned-out brains.

 

The government and its media whores deny a connection. Uranium poisoning incidence recently reported much higher in Afghanistan, after the U.S. did its nuclear raindance there. And yet to be discovered higher still in Iraq.

 

And not a single word about it on television. Anywhere. A sickening silence they call American freedom.

 

The greatest case of treason in U.S. history is the massive silence of virtually the entire power structure about the inside knowledge of what has come to be known as 9/11, which was quickly followed by the equally treasonous demolition of the U.S. Constitution known as the Patriot Act.

 

The deliberate standdown of the air defenses, allowing thousands of Americans to be slaughtered for the crass purpose of abetting the takover of Middle Eastern oil; the facile lies of leaders who say they didn't know it was coming yet produced the names of the purported perps on a moment's notice; the billions made by those who did know it was coming and who remain smugly satisfied with their poisoned riches like that smirking Texas vampire ...

 

That 9/11 was an inside job known and planned well in advance of this mind-crushing assault on the world's senses is no longer just a crazed conspiracy theory " it's a whole encyclopedia of provable facts, observable criminal behavior and stonewalled investigations ... it is a certainty.

 

Yet not a single peep about any of it on TV. Instead, the evil Muslims who "hate our freedom" are blamed, as we psychologically prepare our pampered populace for an endless invasion of the Arab world.

 

It is the conversion of the world into an armed prison of masters and slaves, and excuse to steal Islamic treasures on the trumped-up charge that they are the enemies of the West. But don't count your blessings just yet: it's only a matter of time before the plunderers aim their weapons inward toward the conquest of the docile American citizenry.

 

For all the tragic epiphanies about how our faith in democracy and American honesty is a completely manipulated illusion, there is something far worse to contemplate. Suddenly, the view down this sociological well of hopelessness is about to get a lot darker.

 

Because when you realize what's happening, you'll begin to understand that a lot of key people " people you think you admire, seek out for guidance, and try to support " people that you thought were working for us, working for freedom, are actually working for them, and working for something other than freedom.

 

It is the dark flowering of our worst nightmare, because it takes away our belief in those who we thought were helping us.

 

The real tragedy of our wholly corrupt news gathering apparatus is that many of those who appear to helping the cause of human freedom are actually preventing it in a very subtle and deceitful way.

 

The recent flap between Mike Ruppert, crusading creator of the highly respected From the Wilderness website, and Amy Goodman, crusading interviewer of the much-listened-to radio program Democracy Now, is especially revealing as to the sublety of the deception.

 

Ruppert has consistently complained about harassment from the so-called left media, which claimed he was a hysterical conspiracy theorist because he asked embarrassing yet wholly evidence-based questions about the unanswered questions concerning the tragic mystery and coverup of 9/11.

 

Let it be known now that Ruppert is one of the more conservative and respected analysts of the 9/11 enigma. He refuses to speculate about what might have been and instead concentrates on what is empirically obvious. Yet he has been the target of ridicule and scorn from virtually all the left commentators, Goodman and Nation columnist David Corn in particular, and the spectrum of all those supposedly progressive magazines like Mother Jones and The Progressive, and supposedly progressive websites like Common Dreams and Alternet, none of whom will touch the 9/11 issue with a ten-foot pole.

 

Even as mainstream media and the timid alternative press toss out tidbits of information that acknowledge questions exist about the official 9/11 story (the Bob Graham campaign gambit is the latest, in which the Florida senator, who is up to his ears in the conspiracy himself, is hinting that Bush has something to hide), Ruppert himself has a credibility gap, ever since he went to New York City in the weeks following the attacks and announced with certainty that Israel had nothing to do with them. In his defense, he had no evidence. In his indictment, he overlooked the obvious existence of the not-so-invisible giant of Jewish power over U.S. politics and media.

 

So there you have the two litmus issues that can help you distinguish whether a particular news source is on the up-and-up, or simply pretending to be progressive or patriotic, but really just distracting people from the real focus of the story with tantalizing bits of evidence that will ultimately lead nowhere, which ultimately deflects the public from perceiving the right questions to ask.

 

There are two distinct methods by which you can tell if a story is legitimate or not. They are:

 

1. Does the story admit there is something radically wrong with the whole sorry official explanation about 9/11? If it does, it might be true; if it doesn't it is disinformation, designed to distract you from not only finding the right answers but even asking the right questions.

 

2. Does the story have a tangent to Israel's role in the deception of the world? If there is no mention of Israel being intimately involved with 9/11 or the invasion of Iraq, the story is probably disinformation; if Israel is at least mentioned, there is a fighting chance the story may be honest.

 

The best discourse on this whole subject of deception among news sources can be found on the quality website questionsquestions.net, which contains a whole series of articles about the Gatekeeper syndrome, and provides a new and valuable perspective of which media outlets are telling the objective truth, and which are likely not (i.e., virtually all of the popular left alternative choices).

 

Being a nominal leftie, this is hard for me to say. But you can't trust most of the left websites because they treat Israel like an innocent bystander, without beginning to acknowledge the colossal impact Jews (most of whom support Israel's criminal behavior) have on the American systems of media and education, and on America as a whole. Just ask Cynthia McKinney, latest honest voice expelled from public discourse by Jewish power.

 

And in case you haven't noticed these past few years, America's objectives in the world are Israel's. Just take another look at Iraq, please, and the continuing push the U.S. is exerting throughout the Middle East. The chief beneficiary of all this U.S. tax money, as well as the outcry following 9/11, is Israel.

 

Then take a look at how leftie publications (forget about the mainstream: The New York Times, Boston Globe and Los Angeles Times are all Zionist operations) neglect, deride or downplay the two key litmus issues that allow you to determine whether a news gathering operation is legit or a Gatekeeper.

 

The Gatekeeper series on questionsquestions.net, written by Bob Feldman and Brian Salter, is a virtual checklist of how to tell the legit publications from the phonies.

 

Feldman's "Alternative Media Censorship: Sponsored by the CIA's Ford Foundation," describes the deceptive dilemma millions of Americans face by trusting such leftie icons as Noam Chomsky, Howard Zinn and Norman Solomon, all of whom downplay the 9/11 conspiracy angle and Israel's involvement in it.

 

"The multi-billion dollar Ford Foundation's historic relationship to the Central Intelligence Agency [CIA] is rarely mentioned on Pacifica's DEMOCRACY NOW / Deep Dish TV show, on FAIR's COUNTERSPIN show, on the WORKING ASSETS RADIO show, on The Nation Institute's RADIO NATION show, on David Barsamian's ALTERNATIVE RADIO show or in the pages of PROGRESSIVE, MOTHER JONES and Z magazine. One reason may be because the Ford Foundation and other Establishment foundations subsidize the Establishment Left's alternative media gatekeepers / censors."

 

In addition, Feldman asks: "Perhaps Amy Goodman should finally make full disclosure of all foundation grants that either the Pacifica Foundation, WBAI, Democracy Now, WBAI, KPFA, the Indymedia Centers, Free Speech TV, Deep Dish TV, the Pacifica Campaign or the Downtown studio from which she broadcasted in 2000 and/or in 2001 have received since 1992? "

 

Just from that information alone, you should be starting to perceive a pattern and a reason why these shows and publication aren't treating seriously the very credible notion that 9/11 was an inside job.

 

In addition, separate stories by Feldman examine Big Oil's connection to PBS and CIA links to Northwestern University (a famous training ground for journalists), Counterpunch and the Nation magazines, as well as Project Censored. All of these operations are suspect because they receive laundered money from corporate giants under the supervision of the CIA.

 

Feldman also writes: "The FAIR/COUNTERSPIN/Institute for Public Accuracy alternative media gatekeepers/censors " which includes COUNTERSPIN co-hosts/producers Steve Rendall and Janine Jackson, Institute for Public Accuracy/MAKING CONTACT executive director Norman Solomon, MSNBC/DONAHUE SHOW PRODUCER Jeff Cohen and WORKING ASSETS RADIO show producer Laura Flanders " have also been subsidized by the Ford Foundation and other Establishment foundations in recent years."

 

Salter concludes the series with a question:"Is it likely that the Ford Foundation would fund the kind of alternative media which would be inclined to look deeply into the long-running control over US foreign policy exerted by the private and secretive Council on Foreign Relations, given the fact that the CFR counts among its funding sources the Ford Foundation and Xerox? Or would the Ford Foundation more likely favor those who could be relied upon to toe the party line that the CFR (and other elite policymaking NGOs like the Trilateral Commission and Bilderberg Group) functions only as a stuffy intellectual debate society, and that anyone who argues otherwise is a "paranoid nut"?

 

" .... Judging by the journalism being offered (and not offered) by Nation magazine, FAIR, Pacifica, Progressive magazine, IPA, Mother Jones, Alternet, and other recipients of their funding, the big establishment foundations are successfully sponsoring the kind of "opposition" that the US ruling elite can tolerate and live with."

 

Read the Gatekeeper series closely, and analyze what Walter Burien has to say as well (while you can).

 

By noticing who the participants are, what they say, and how they're funded " and what the implications are of that funding " most intelligent people will conclude that two litmus questions exist in determining whether stories are legitimate attempts to ferret out the truth, or sophisticated deceptions designed to distract readers into peripheral issues that will actually lead you away from the truth.

 

The two questions, again, are: Is 9/11 being treated as the criminal inside job it really is, and what is the impact of Jewish/Israeli/Zionist manipulation on the whole effort? That is how you tell the real journalists from the Gatekeepers.

 

I must say one more thing about Jewish influence. There is no part of my warning about Jewish/Israeli/Zionist dominance of American media on the questionsquestions website, and should some wish to bash me with the anti-Semitism brush, this shallow smear should not be extended to the research of Feldman and Salter.

 

As it is my fervent conviction that the evidence concerning 9/11 (articulated by me elsewhere) clearly points to a high-level conspiracy (as evidenced most recently by efforts to thwart a legitimate investigation into aspects of the tragedy), it is also my sincere belief that Jewish influence on American media in the single greatest obstacle to finding the truth about recent political events, which is why you hear none of it in the mainstream, corporate media.

 

Since Israel (and to a lesser extent, the multinational but primarily American oil industry) is the chief political beneficiary of both the 9/11 disaster and the immoral invasion of Iraq disaster, it would be disingenuous of me, considering the power the Israeli lobby wields in Washington, to fail to allege that Israel was the country that helped a criminal cabal of American fatcat industrialists perpetrate a grievous, treasonous crime against the American people in order to continue their staggering plans to rob the entire world of its resources.

 

And stories that don't recognize this reality are simply not credible, in my mind.

 

Forewarned is forearmed. We will never find the right answers if we can't ask the proper questions.

 

 

John Kaminski is a journalist who lives on the coast of Florida and is the author of "America's Autopsy Report," soon to be published by Dandelion Books.

...with a little help from our "friends".

"As it is my fervent conviction that the evidence concerning 9/11 (articulated by me elsewhere) clearly points to a high-level conspiracy (as evidenced most recently by efforts to thwart a legitimate investigation into aspects of the tragedy), it is also my sincere belief that Jewish influence on American media in the single greatest obstacle to finding the truth about recent political events, which is why you hear none of it in the mainstream, corporate media. "

A textbook example of a the sublimation of pure racist hate into the vaporous banality of crazy-talk.

Well said.

Bravo.

No. I am concerned whenever any industry is controlled by a self-interested Oligopoly. That many of the leading figures in the Media are Jewish is remarkable only if some correalation to control of information can be made.

Are you trying to make one?

Certainly culture and blood have much to do with one's affinity for any given person. People of similar ancestries and cultures tend to have a higher affinity to those of like characteristic. This is normal and proves only that people tend to be clannish and cliqish. Thus you find Poles associating with Poles, Swedes with Swedes, Wasps with Wasps and Jews with Jews. Nothing remarkable in and of itself. Parochial yes, remarkable, no. It is only when one group seeks to dominate others that such normal parochialism becomes of concern.

...all that said, the referenced post remains racist and delusional.

Spin all you want. Your desire to try and refute my points only forces you to defend scumbags and further betray your small-mindedness.

A win-win situation for me.

...from a well known anti-Arab Racist and Islamophobe.

frescaw you have no credibility on the subject.

And you have no credible grounds to level your accusation.

It is total hogwash.

Given that the biggest thread in my polyglot ancestry is Jewish I find your taunt amusing. You want maybe I should hate my own family? Not going to happen. However, I do reserve the right to point out the truth.

P.S. Whats the forecast for Tel Aviv today?

Kindly C&P posts of fresca's that support your claim of anti-Arab racism and Islamophobia.

I've had the same accusations made of me. Yet my accusers were never able to prove it.

Put up or shut up, Dio.

frescaw has made repeated comments to that effect I really don't care to take the time to dig back through the archives to satisfy your curiosity.

If you care to yourself there was one a while back about some Paletinian Kids killed by the IDF if I recall and frescaw's comment was just over the top.

This is an ongoing thing. Just pay attention. frescaw will keep a lid on it for a while because I always make it a point to underscore it when it shows up.

Happy hunting.

then he fails to even attempt to back up his tripe.

Talk about shot credibility.

...anyone who has been taking part in this forum for any length of time is aware of frescaw's proclivities.

Don't think daveman is either. We've both been around the indymedia block too.

Nope. Fresca's as clean as a whistle.

You on the other hand have already blasted you're credibility thrice in this very thread.

Fresca is always quick to brand Palestinians as terrorists

but refuses to acknowledge the terrorism that the IDF engages in as they humiliate, kill and destroy the homes

economy and culture of the people who have lived there for millennia. Never have I read any comdemnation of this violence from her.

You're obviously an inept buffon, unable to grasp even the slightest details.

Fresca has informed this forum on multiple occasions, that he is a male.

You impetuous fools need to stop undermining your own points with idiocy.

If fresca's a male or female, fresca seems to be racist.

This is a side and irrelevant issue.

First of all, thanks for watching my back Eric and Daveman. I appreciate it.

Secondly, if by pointing out the patterns of hatred and violence towards Jews in particular and non-Muslims in general which is fermented, cultivated and celebrated as a vital part of the culture in the Arab world, makes me a racist then I guess I am. I guess when I point out how rotten white supremecists are I'm being racist as well.

At the end of the day, it's probably only safe, around here, to never even mention the particular traits of any culture less I engage in slander.

Furthermore, being one of the deluded BILLIONS who actually believe that we were attcked AGAIN by Islamic terrorists on 9-11, you'll have to excuse my less than glowing review of that particular segment of society. The same segment that has, as it's national sport, the compullsion to blow themselves up in the middle of crowded places.

Which brings us to this:

"but refuses to acknowledge the terrorism that the IDF engages in as they humiliate, kill and destroy the homes

economy and culture of the people who have lived there for millennia. Never have I read any comdemnation of this violence from her."

If you go back, I have acknowledged the fact that the Isreal MUST be the party to make the first overtures if peace is to occur. They must leave the settlements and pull out of Gaza and the West bank. Fine. But to call any military retaliation "terrorism" is simply nonsense. This new peace proposal looks like it will lead to palestine getting the land it now occupies as a state of it's own. They could have had it twice in the past but turned it down. The last time they turned it down, the second intafada followed. So if I, like others, don't neccessarily see the suicide bombings as "feedom fighting" ..oh well.

I'll condemn the IDF as soon as people like you acknowledge the fact that the palestinians have, so far, scuttled every offer of peace, preffering to remain martyrs and the eternal victims of the Jews.

May I join KOBE? My penis only measures 1.75" erect.

for the hater Dio.

frescaw has, as I mentioned earlier in this thread, a proclivity - a bias - an established pattern, on multiple occaisions expressed it's hatred for the Palestinian People and Arabs as a group. I won't call them a race as the reality is that they are genetically no different from most people on this mudball we call Earth. To attempt to distinguish them as a "racial" group distinct from any other is absurd. Cultural differences do exist but those are learned and are established by tradition not genetics.

Let me make clear my viewpoint: I regard racism in all it's forms as a rather sick abberation - it is really a form of xenophobia as there is no significant difference between the different appearing human stocks on our Planet.



The Pattern:

The first one is out of chronologic order but is the one I had in mind when I made the comment, which is based upon a long unbroken pattern of anti-Arab, pro-Zionist Racism on frescaw’s part.

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/52671_comment.php#52953

Actually

by fresca • Tuesday April 22, 2003 10:47 PM

You've given me a fine idea. Why not feed these teenage subhumans to the lions and tigers in the Baghdad zoo.

Now that's a win-win solution.

Thank you. Thank you.



add your comments

So at least fresca...

by Diogenes • Tuesday April 22, 2003 11:37 PM

...reveals himself as a barbarian, Islamophobic, Racist, Pig.

Outside of that he merely a monster.



http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/54161.php

“This is all fine and good

by fresca • Monday April 28, 2003 09:33 PM

I'd like to remind everyone that "palestine" is a considerable drain on us as well. As the leading financial supporter of that society and as a great deal of our aid to Israel is funneled to "palestine" I feel that it's only fair to consider cutting off this racist and violent leech. “

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/05/56122.php

“Jeez

by fresca • Monday May 05, 2003 10:46 PM

Those pesky Jews better get a move on if they hope to have any chance of catching up to those arab butchers.

All in all, I'd say they've been remarkably restarined over the past 5 decades of avowed racism and violence from neighboring states bent on their annihilation.

Way to go IDF!”

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/05/57778_comment.php#58287

“of course

by fresca • Monday May 19, 2003 11:12 AM

Of course, no one wants peace more than the palestinians right. I mean they've made every effort to work towards it.

Shit. Terrorism to these people is like football to Americans.

And yet, there are those heartless subhumans around here who will continue to apologize for them.”

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/03/34339_comment.php#34348

“nice

by fresca • Saturday March 08, 2003 Satt 09:27 AM

I'd take a picture too if I'd just saved the world from the actions of a few more "paleostinian" monsters OR their supporters.”

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/03/43195_comment.php#43443

Still and all

by fresca • Friday March 28, 2003 Frit 03:46 PM

Regardless of what you think of Woods..you all have to agree that this war is pretty great TV. I mean, at least we can all take a moment and enjoy the cherished site of a bunch of silly sandscratchers in pickup trucks getting annihilated by the Allies. Love it!!!!

Thanks Dio...I know that took alot of work.

You've saved me alot of trouble.

You've posted exactly what I would have to show that I am nothing if not a keen observer and someone willing to call a spade a spade.

Racism is NOT stating that "palestinians" glorify suicide bombers as if they were sports stars.

Racism is NOT being apathetic towards the plight of teenage enemies in camp X-ray. Escpecially since the group is of mixed races you dummy.

Racism is NOT being upset that our tax dollars, in any way, support the palestinian terrorist culture. And make no mistake; we DO pay for it.

Racism is NOT being sarcastic when some monster complains about Israeli retaliation and defense against years and years and years of outright avowed desires to ANNIHILATE ALL JEWS. However, supporting these monsters IS. Wear that hat proudly Dio.

And finally, racism is NOT using an epithat to describe ANYONE who is shooting and trying to kill American soldiers.

Dio...you are a fool...you've done me a great service.

At least it's on the record now. There are people I hate. They come from all sorts of groups. They all have one thing in common. C'mon, you know what that is. You wear it on your sleeve.

They all need to blame someone else for their miserable life.

Open your mind Dio. Get out some. Stop being such a miserable, pompous old hatemonger.

Well, you are getting better at spinning your web of lies and disinformation. A signal accomplishment - assuming one wishes to spend their time defending the indefensible, but then I guess that’s what you’re paid to do. It’s a job huh?

However, as always, you are wedded to the logical fallacies that your position forces upon you. You still have only one weapon and that is to accuse others of the very things your own words condemn you of.

Suggesting that children be used as animal fodder is not exactly “calling a Spade a Spade”. It is a suggestion offered by a callous spirit suffering from an acute shortage of humanity. The children being kept in Tiger Cages in Guantanamo are guilty of no crime other than that of defending their homeland from an invading force. I don’t care whether you consider the invasion “justified” or not as it is really quite irrelevant when one speaks of simple humanity. Something with which you appear to not be on speaking terms.

“Racism is NOT stating that "palestinians" glorify suicide bombers as if they were sports stars. “

I have never defended the practice of Sacrifice Bombers. I do however recognize it as symptomatic of a people who have been suppressed, oppressed, murdered, suffered the indignities of persecution and denial of their humanity by Zionist Pigs who appear to take great pleasure in the practice; and that they are effectively enslaved by the Zionist Swine whom you defend. I can, without approving, understand the frustration which would cause them to celebrate one who had struck back against their oppressors. You also are well aware of my position as we have had this exchange before and as always you lie, distort, and bend my position to your agenda. One problem though - I’m better at debate than you are and I will not allow your intentional distortions, lies, stand unchallenged.



“Racism is NOT being upset that our tax dollars, in any way, support the palestinian terrorist culture. And make no mistake; we DO pay for it.”

As you are so fond of saying: “Site your reference.” Prove it. You have made an unsubstantiated, and inflammatory, allegation without a shred of evidence to back it up other than your “good character”. ROFL!!!!

“At least it's on the record now. There are people I hate.”

Unlike you I feel no need to hate. I despise the actions that are taken by the Criminal Marxist Zionist Movement but I do not hate. Equally I despise that loathsome slug Arafat as he is fully as corrupt as Sharon. What outrages me is the suffering of the Palestinians powerless to stop the ongoing thefts perpetrated by the Zionists as they kill, and steal, and cloak it under the mantle of Judaism defaming it and sullying it with their loathsome touch. I object to their inhumanity and oppression of other people but I do not need to hate them to oppose what they are doing. I only need be true to my own ideals. You again superimpose your own hate filled screechings upon me. I won’t let you do it.

“...They come from all sorts of groups. They all have one thing in common.”

What is that - that they are not good little Zionazis - like you? That they are different? That their hopes and aspirations get in the way of what you would like to do?

So, fresca go about your hate filled path. You will not know happiness as long as you insist on hating. I could wish for you no worse than the hell you construct for yourself. Yet even you I do not hate. You, I pity.

"You still have only one weapon and that is to accuse others of the very things your own words condemn you of. "



That's calling the kettle black. Still waiting for your answer as to why you only seem to defend the enemies of Israel and NO ONE ELSE.



"The children being kept in Tiger Cages in Guantanamo are guilty of no crime other than that of defending their homeland from an invading force."

Bullshit. These "children" were not defending their "homeland". More than likely they weren't even Afgani. They were no more than facist religious fanatics fighting to keep their iron grip on a terrorized populace. Fuck your defense of these subhumans.

"I have never defended the practice of Sacrifice Bombers. I do however recognize it as symptomatic of a people who have been suppressed, oppressed, murdered, suffered the indignities of persecution and denial of their humanity by Zionist Pigs who appear to take great pleasure in the practice; and that they are effectively enslaved by the Zionist Swine whom you defend. I can, without approving, understand the frustration which would cause them to celebrate one who had struck back against their oppressors. You also are well aware of my position as we have had this exchange before and as always you lie, distort, and bend my position to your agenda."

The very fact that you so callously refer to these murderers as "sacrifice" bombers is blanket support of these savages. They are savages. Those that support them and hide them are savages. Palin and simple. The fact that Israel rightfully owns that land after fending off a barbaric attempt at annihilation in '67 is something you cannot come to terms with. Yet, it is a fact. Israel will and should make a gift of this land to the "palestinians" but in no way is it owed to them. Let the poor oppressed palestinian turn to Egypt, Jordan and Syria if they have beefs about who ORIGINALLY stole their land. You don't even know your history. Well actually I fear you do but prefer your lies.

"One problem though - I’m better at debate than you are"

Uh huh. LOL. Right. That's why you are so routinely trounced and are forced to resorting to whing about " paid shills" and "psyops". You can't debate your way out of a wet bag.

"Racism is NOT being upset that our tax dollars, in any way, support the palestinian terrorist culture. And make no mistake; we DO pay for it.”

As you are so fond of saying: “Site your reference.” Prove it. You have made an unsubstantiated, and inflammatory, allegation without a shred of evidence to back it up other than your “good character”. ROFL!!!!

"

Wait a minute...are you actually implying that the US is NOT the country who gives the most financial aid to "palestine". You're not actually that uninformed are you? Where the hell do you think they get any funds? Olives? Ha! Oh, I guess your argument is that the TNT belts are donated. Yeah. There you go.

"Unlike you I feel no need to hate."

Then you are simply not human. If you can't hate a being that can commit such hatefilled atrocities as blowiing themselves up in the name of religion, aiming to kill innocents as their lackey followers bellow and whine about land that isn't even theirs then shame on you. I guess for you, life just isn't precious.

"Zionazis"

What a pathetic term filled with such embarrassing hate. Nazis lived to annihilate and demonize the Jews. the exact same thing that the Arab world does as we speak. And you glorify it.

You are simply pathetic.

...so these must be terms of endearment:

"Zionist Pigs"

"Zionist Swine"

"Criminal Marxist Zionist Movement"

"...cloak it under the mantle of Judaism defaming it and sullying it with their loathsome touch"

"Zionazis"

Sure...you don't hate anyone, Dio. You're just a regular Mr. Sunshine, aren't you?

When you get home from work, do you say, "Hi, Zionist Pig, I'm home! Where are the Zionist Swine? Are they sullying with their loathsome touch the mantle of Judaism they're cloaked under?"

I don't say this very often, but you, Dio, are a liar.

Never used to care one way or the other until I began to

see the slaughter that I witnessed in Lebanon.

Calling Sharon a jew is an insult to all decent jews.

Him and his rabid hatred (Arafat is no different) towards

the indigenous people of Palestine is legendary.

They both need to be locked up.

Oh here it is...

>

The immediate trigger for Israel's operation into Lebanon was the attempted assassination of the Israeli ambassador in London on June 3, 1982. The next day, Israeli jets attacked PLO targets in Lebanon and the PLO responded with rocket and artillery barrages into northern Israel. The Israeli cabinet met to approve sending ground troops into Lebanon. Defense minister Ariel Sharon briefed the cabinet on "Operation Peace for Galilee" ­ a plan for a limited incursion of twenty-five miles into Lebanon to wipe out PLO positions in southern Lebanon and thus safeguard Israel's population in northern Israel. The cabinet, including the opposition Labor Party, supported the plan for a limited operation.

>

http://www.adl.org/ISRAEL/Record/lebanon.asp

Sounds justified to me.

A few Katusha rockets results in 20,000 killed.

If I recall, they were in responce to the same

targeting of civilians as is going on now.

"On September 16, without

obtaining prior cabinet approval, Sharon and Eitan

moved Israeli troops into West Beirut and

permitted Christian Phalangist forces to enter the

Palestinian refugee camps of Sabra and Shatila

with the purpose of routing out remaining PLO

forces that had evaded evacuation. The Phalangist

militias, however, massacred Palestinian civilians."

For the next 38 hours, aided by Israeli flares at night, the militiamen raped, tortured,

mutilated and massacred civilians. IDF personnel, including General Amos Yaron,

IDF Commander in Beirut, were stationed on the rooftop of a seven-story building

200 meters from Shatilla, with a clear view of the camps below. Also there were

members of the Phalangist intelligence who had radio communication with militiamen

on the ground. By Friday morning, evidence that a massacre was taking place was

communicated to Israeli Chief of Staff, Raphael Eitan, but he approved a request that

the Phalangists remain in the camps until 5:00 am Saturday. The militiamen finally

left the camps at 8:00 am.

http://www.globalpolicy.org/intljustice/general/2001/sab&shat.htm

What would you like, to sit here and flick boogers back and forth all day?

There are attrocities committed by both the Israelis AND the arabs. It's a shitty situation over there, and almost everybody knows it.

But unless you live under a rock, you'd realize that only one party truly wants peace. The other party desires the removal of Jews from what they consider to be (exclusively) their land. Period.

Latest events once again demonstrate this fact. Bush, Sharon, and Abbas all denounce terrorism and want peace for everyone in the region.

Hammas, on the other hand, wants every last Jew dead. Even at the expense of their own people.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/06/06/mideast/index.html

Much like the Fifth Columnists in America, these people are wretchedly pathetic.

Just look at those you're guilty of supporting!

"NO PEACE!!!!!!!" - Hammas

Pathetic.

...that creation of the Mossad to act as a counter to Arafat's PLO. I believe the accepted term is "blow back".

No doubt the British would have had a similar view of that rag tag rabble of rebellious farmers and merchants known as the Continental Army.

Always it what we see is based on what we know. If you Know that the Palestinians are a bunch of subhumans as frescaw likes to characterize them then of course it is justified to take their land, destroy their homes and kill their children. Then, when they reply in righteous anger you get the spin machine going and call them terrists'. How charming.

I find it said that the apologist's for Zionist crimes seem to be unable to look and see what exactly is going on.

It is one thing to go after criminals.

It is another to target their families, their Groves, and their ability to live decently.

However we have gone far astray from the original posting on this thread which is the way the media is used as a tool of manipulation to manufacture public opinion and to misinform.

However, the two are related. The misinformattin on the reality of Palestine is as much a construct of false and distorted information coming from the "organs" of the News Media.

"Hamma(sic)...that creation of the Mossad to act as a counter to Arafat's PLO"

Thanks. That opening bit off lunacy and hate allowed me to rightfully skip the rest of your blathering.

I appreciate you raising a red flag like this at the beginning of your posts, so we can all know when you're flittering off into crazy talk.

Thanks.

...struck a nerve huh?

I'm sure you were already aware of it but for the sake of the gallery you have to feighn suprise.

Cute.

On the coverage of the middle east reporting and found that

the 'coverage' of the awful mess over there was totally

slanted towards the portrayal of violence.

ANY deaths attributed by the IDF was played as terrorists

even when they were children and non combatants.

You failed to explain why these Palestinians (Hammas) do not desire a peaceful solution to their plight?

Sharon vowed to grant them their own state and dismantle outposts/settlements!

What more do these people want?

Oh wait, I get it. You're saying it's a big conspiracy since Mossad is obviously behind Hammas, manipulating the situation in the ever present scheme of the Jews to take over all of the Middle East!

Got it. Thanks. Hadn't thought of that one.

Well, they've got Israel. That's like roughly 0.5% of the Middle East in what? Roughly 60 years? Yep, those Zionists are well on their way to domination of the region!

...Hamas is an extremist group no different than an SLA or Weather Underground. You might recognize the names.

That they have some popular support is more a function of the oppression under which the Palestinian People live. I suspect most of the people would be content to live their lives in peaceful coexistence. However the hard Zionist Right is every bit as extreme as Hamas and a little bit better armed.

The offer was to pull back SOME of the settlements leaving Palestine cut up into a bunch of little Bantustans. Look at the maps of what is proposed before you shoot from the lip.

The Israeli PR machine is very good. I believe they could sell Refrigerators to Eskimos.

The Devil is always in the details. Instead of reading the Press Releases from the Israeli Ministry of Truth do a little analysis and dig into the facts not the spin.

Here, let the Zionists own words speak for them:

"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours... Everything we don't grab will go to them." Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.

"When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983

"The thesis that the danger of genocide was hanging over us in June 1967 and that Israel was fighting for its physical existence is only bluff, which was born and developed after the war." Israeli General Matityahu Peled, Ha'aretz, 19 March 1972.

"We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves." Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.

"We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.

"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"

"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population." Moshe Dayan, address to the Technion, Haifa, reported in Haaretz, April 4, 1969.

"The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000

And lest you think this is a new attitude:

"Spirit the penniless population across the frontier by denying it employment... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly." Theodore Herzl, founder of the World Zionist Organization, speaking of the Arabs of Palestine,Complete Diaries, June 12, 1895 entry.

Speak far louder than any words.

Jews - Action - Peace

Arabs - Action - Violence

The offer is on the table. Let's see who walks away from it this time!

The "Anti-Zionist" (wink, wink) crowd have alot of time to post all sorts of rationalizations for their, ahem, deep concern for the poor oppressed and staunchly peace-loving PALESTINIANS, yet there seems to be a shortage of available time to answer a simple question which gets posed over and over.

How is the term "occupation" related to the actions of Israel in connection with land that is, by any fair and logical set of standards, their OWN land?

Please explain where this notion of "occupation" comes from.

Am I guilty of "occupying" my house and somehow oppressing some noble group of non-homeowners?

Please see if any of you can spare a moment to give this some thought.

Yep. It's idiocy. But what the hey?!

Liberalist dementia: "When your shotgun's empty, beat 'em over the head with the stock."

"Liberalist dementia: "When your shotgun's empty, beat 'em over the head with the stock.""

Very well put.

...phony dialog. frescaw and Airic are the same person.

It's not a dialogue it is a monologue.

And not very funny either.

Try harder.

..because you never answer any questions.



"The "Anti-Zionist" (wink, wink) crowd have alot of time to post all sorts of rationalizations for their, ahem, deep concern for the poor oppressed and staunchly peace-loving PALESTINIANS, yet there seems to be a shortage of available time to answer a simple question which gets posed over and over.

How is the term "occupation" related to the actions of Israel in connection with land that is, by any fair and logical set of standards, their OWN land?

Please explain where this notion of "occupation" comes from.

Am I guilty of "occupying" my house and somehow oppressing some noble group of non-homeowners?

Please see if any of you can spare a moment to give this some thought.

"

Now that you've spilled the beans, please tell us. How, pray tell, did you ever figure this out on your own? What gave us away?

That we seldom agree with you?

...the idea of ONE person regularly trouncing his every utterance and fantasy is one thing, but a group of people is entirely too much to bear.

"It is one thing to go after criminals.

It is another to target their families, their Groves, and their ability to live decently."

Thanks for having the intellectual honesty to condemn the Palestinian terrorists, who never go after criminals, only non-combatants...and if they're Jews, so much the better; and how, if they can't kill them, are satisfied with maiming them with the nails attached to their explosive vests.

BA, with that closeminded diversity we'll spread that grand ol' opry tabernacle, frsure!! Pacifica may be a 2nd rate outfit(?) and the NYTimes!!!..hahaha, ok 1 goof is thrown out, then??..

admit the obvious, based on your comment, U only trust&relyon repub/ritewing/conserv/lookahead2daycrap/established!!deadcenter papers and radiostations. --___--how close am i?

Well this much is true. I do consider the Democrats to be a pox on America. I do hope that the Republicans will win the House and the Senate and the Presidency and that we'll have Republicans in charge for the next 100 years. If that happens, then we'll be able to fix most of the ills of this country.

words of blather none of the Shills addressed the point of the article head on or offered a conving rebuttal.

The primary tactic here has been to divert away from the issue.

Read the article and decide for yourself.

Dio - I did read the article which started this thread. It's a riot. What a laugh.

Here's one of my favorite lines:

" So we know who perpetrated 9/11. We know the Muslim hijacker rap was just a deception aimed at creating sympathy for Israel."

The author is just another whacko conspiracy theory dork cut from the same cloth as the folks who deny the existence of WWII death camps.

You liberals need to get some better material if you're going to make a difference. Posting untrue information, such as this truly laughable 9/11 conspiracy piece, won't get you anywhere.

Repeating the same behaviour and expecting different results.

Dio expects us to read the same drivel over and over and start believing it.

Got tinfoil hat?