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Jews never sold israel to romans or arabs in the first place, so how did arabs become its legal owners?

" 1880 there were 24,000 Jews living among 450,000 Palestinians.

In 1914 there were 56,000 Jews living among 715,000 Palestinians.

In 1922 there were 83,000 Jews living among 663,000 Palestinians.

In 1936 there were 385,400 Jews living among 983,200 Palestinians.

In 1940 there were 467,000 Jews living among 1,050,000 Palestinians.

In 1946 there were 600,000 Jews living among 1,300,000 Palestinians. "

haha, that's hilarious!, just a reminder... up until the second half of 20th century, the Jews were called palestinians, and the 'palestinians' were called arabs... get your names straight.. btw, how many palestinians were there in palestine in 100 a.c.e.? 500 a.c.e.? 600? 1000? and if your answer isn't 0, can you tell me the first palestinian leader's name back then? can you also tell me with what countries palestine had dipolmatic relations with. What was its currency called? What form of government did it have? What were its main imports and exports?

How many Palestinians were there in Palestine in 100 a.c.e.? Since Palestine was a Roman province at that time and populations were small, probably a few hundred thousand.

There were even a few Jews among these Palestinians, but according to Jewish history, the Romans had shown many the door, in 70 AD.

Modern DNA testing has shown that the population of Palestine has changed little genetically between ancient times and 1948. In fact, entire Jewish villages converted to Christianity or Islam voluntarily or under pressure when those religions appeared upon the scene. The descendents of these Jews are presumably among today's Palestinians, some of them cleaning toilets and peeling vegetables for Euopean immigrants. This, of course, is in addition to the fact that Palestine never was entirely Jewish, Hebrew or Israelite; remember that it was filled with people called Canaanites before Moses ever got there.

Most of the 20th century Jewish immigrants and colonists are undoubtedly the descendants of

Slavic and German people who converted to Judaism some time in the early Middle Ages; they may have taken on the religion of their employers or, if they were slaves, the religion of their owners. Some undoubtedly just saw Judaism as more attractive than Christianity.

Hence the large number of blue-eyed and light-haired people among the Jews who came to the region - clearly they are not of Middle Eastern ancestry. Some may be the descendents of the Kharzars or other Turkic tribes who converted to Judaism while living in Russia or on its borders.

Even if European Jews were the biological descendents of the people who came to Palestine with Moses, to argue that this gives them the right to steal land from Arabs with illegal settlements is on a par with Hitler's claim that he had a right to seize Eastern Europe because German tribes lived there in ancient times. The fact that they are not of middle eastern origin (for the most part) makes an already ridiculous claim on the land that much more ridiculous.

The land belongs to whomever can conquer and defend it.

Well, Adolf, that was certainly spoken like a true Nazi - Seig Heil to you.

Advocates of Israel never address the issue of stolen land. Their only argument is that the Arabs are shitty and Israelis are cool therefore the Israelis deserve the land because they'll do more with it.

So much for property rights.

Egypt, Jordan and Syria tried to annihilate Israel in 1967.

Israel handed them there asses.

In the ensuing humiliation of the feeble arab world, Israel, by anyone's standards, rightfully laid claim to the Gaza Strip, West Bank and the Golen Heights.

The land is theirs. Plain and Simple.

When the arabs in those areas inevitably gain control of that land and form, for the first time in history, a state called "Palestine", it will be due to Israel making a generous gift of much of their land.

Why does no one want to adress the fact that "Palestine" could've bben a state in '48 but they greedily turned down, precisely what they want now, and lost the land to the invading arab hordes of Egpt, Transjordan and Syria?

Advocates of Israel never address the issue of stolen land.

There was no state in the area at the time. nevertheless it was still home to certain people. they were forcibly expelled and their land stolen.

But you seem to be more than willing to overlook how most of them were thrown off their land by the Egyptian, Jordanian and Syrian armies.

Why is that?

This is nonsensical. The Palestinians were expelled by thugs led by Begin, Shamir and other pirates.

Meyer. You fucking imbecile.

Stop parroting halfbaked buzzphrases you've picked up on your nazi websites and do your own research.

That is, if you can put down Mein Kampf long enough.

Your "knowledge" of history is that of science fiction writers.

You sound like an unabashed zionist. You would definately like my site. Stop on by!

www.kobehq.com

HEy there kiddies out there in TV land

HeRes some info about the

rights of Israel in the middle east

and claims of the "jewish" homeland

check these links to find out the real orgins of the "jewish" homeland

http://www.christusrex.org/www2/koestler/

http://www.khazaria.com/

http://www.khazaria.com/khazar-history.html

http://www.rechtman.com/khazaria.htm

Do any of you fucknuts ever think that it diesnt matter if you can prove palestinians ever existed, there are still hundreds of thousands of people whove been under a military occupation for the past 35 years. You fucking idiots seem to think by proving palestinians dont exist you can erase the fact that israel is occupying a group of people. Youre only defense is that arabs are just filthy niggers who deserve it anyways, and that anyone that crtisizes israel is anti-semetic. I'm jewish, and ive been to the West Bank, and those are real people with real lives that deserve to live free of opression reguardless if a bunch of fucking morons can prove that they "exist" or not.

"Do any of you fucknuts ever think that it diesnt matter if you can prove palestinians ever existed, there are still hundreds of thousands of people whove been under a military occupation for the past 35 years. You fucking idiots seem to think by proving palestinians dont exist you can erase the fact that israel is occupying a group of people. Youre only defense is that arabs are just filthy niggers who deserve it anyways, and that anyone that crtisizes israel is anti-semetic. I'm jewish, and ive been to the West Bank, and those are real people with real lives that deserve to live free of opression reguardless if a bunch of fucking morons can prove that they "exist" or not."

yeah, and therefore there are plenty of arab states that they can move to, while only one jewish state where jews can move to

So if i stole a car from a rich person

would it be wrong for him to press charges?

cant i just say "you have enough money you can afford to buy another car whereas i have no money"

Sorry, I'm much too stupid to understand your post.

"So if i stole a car from a rich person

would it be wrong for him to press charges?

cant i just say "you have enough money you can afford to buy another car whereas i have no money" "

it would be more like 'stealing' a pen, not a car from a rich person, He'd still have the 99.99% of his net worth, as arabs have of the land they conquered in the last 1000+ years.

I disagree.

The value of someone's home cannot be compared to the value of a pen.

Let's find out whether you have a measurable IQ.

Choose the answer that most closely agrees with your own views.

The bad guys in this conflict are:

a) The Israeli people - the Jews

b) The Palestinian people

c) The Israeli leadership

d) The Palestinian leadership.

If you picked (d), congratulations! You've been following the news and you have a functional brain.

If you picked any of the other choices you're SID positive (Severe Intelligence Deficit).

sorry bush admirer

but im afraid this conflict isnt as simplistic as you think.

unfortunately, both sides have committed some pretty despicable acts.

as long as each side proclaims their innocence and tries to play the part of the victim blame will just be passed on to each other and the cycle of violence will continue.

both sides need to recognize the evil of their actions both in the past and in the present if at all peace is to be achieved.

sorry bush admirer

but im afraid this conflict isnt as simplistic as you think.

unfortunately, both sides have committed some pretty despicable acts.

as long as each side proclaims their innocence and tries to play the part of the victim blame will just be passed on to each other and the cycle of violence will continue.

both sides need to recognize the evil of their actions both in the past and in the present if at all peace is to be achieved.

...Zionist position.

Sure there were people there but the Jews suffered the Holocaust.

Therefore it is alright for the descendents of some of the Jews who lived through the Holocaust, and a whole bunch who didn't, to move in and disposess, kill, intimidate and suppress people who were not party to the Holocaust in the same fashion Jews were dispossessed, killed, and intimidated by the NAZI's.

Makes a lot of sense. Doesn't it?

"not party to the Holocaust"

Ermm hmm *clears his throat*

hmmm also besides that....

these phrases ring a bell....

-drive them into the sea

and

- kill jews until the jews are hiding behind bushes and the arab says "here is a jew hiding behind this bush come and kill them" [aproximatly what is said in the hamas charter]

You sound as though you hate those wicked Muslims as much as we do. If you're a cyberterrorist who despises Muslims, please visit our website.

www.kobehq.com

your sarcasm amounts to support of one of the lines that i was opposing.. so which is it?

do you support the hamas charter by any chance?

You sound as though you hate those wicked Muslims as much as we do. If you're a cyberterrorist who despises Muslims, please visit our website.

http://www.kobehq.com

haha you are like a "soft drink purist" running around saying "I hate dr pepper" with an official Dr pepper sign.

your advertising the thing you dont like and as a result people probably try it.

I guess your weak form of sarcasm is a blow to leftist ideology. so um thanks...

I posted the above comment. I'm mentally unstable. I also hate Muslims.

as you can see I am fond of gibberish.

No actually I lied... I am a muslim and I love muslims.

I just hate pinkos.

I did not post the above comment. Everyone knows that I hate Mudslums.

But I am a true believer in Islam !!

Stop faking me!!

Fuck all of you lying

Shylocks.

Wha Jew just call me?

What up.

Kind of a shame that

some losers can only find time to

post racial slurrs using another persons name.

Now unfortunate that fresca uses my name (again)

to try to convince the rest of indymedia that

I am a "jew hater".

Nothing could be further from the truth of the matter.

Because i am anti zionist

in her eyes

it makes me anti jew

But as usual, shes wrong again.,

Again with using my handle.

Get your own.

regardless of what you call yourself

you're still racist.

You still hate Jews and no amount of

spamming is going to change that.

your lackies may defend you but then again

they're idiots.

Deep down you know you're a neo-nazi.

Just another garden variety hatemonger.

Zionism: The desire of Jews to establish a state of their own in the tradiltional Jewish Homelasd, Israel.

Anti-Zionism: A belief that Jews do not deserve, like all other peoples, their own autonomous homeland. SEE ALSO: "Drive them into the sea"

anti-zionism = the belief that jews (who had lived in places like germany, russia, ethiopia, poland and who had no ties to israel except for the fact that in some book it said that jews lived there 3000 years ago) like all other people, should not be allowed to kick a group of people (who were living there at the time, who's parents and grandparents had been living there, who owned houses and farms there) out of their homes to make new homes for themselves.

...everybody has a right to a homeland.

Except Jews.

everybody has a right to not get kicked out of their homeland.

except palestinians

nobody has the right to kick people out of their homeland.

except jews

...help me take my head out of my ass?

everybody has a right to not get kicked out of their homeland.

except palestinians

- try looking at the history of every race on earth.. they have all been kicked out of their homelands at some stage.

The germans were kicked out of parts of checezlovakia and other places in europe.. shall we start giving them back their land? fourth reich anyone?

nobody has the right to kick people out of their homeland.

except jews

-- try looking at the history of "almost" every race on earth they have "almost" all kicked someone out of a homeland (depending on how you define a "race")

I suggest we give israel back to the australian aborigonies who clearly got there first.

Heres my middle east plan

Throw Bush and Sharone in the haig with milosivich where they belong.