Are any of the anarchists blocks going to take up arms?

Are any of the anarchists going to take up arms?

No, of course not. That would be suicidal. The American Police State has plenty of weapons at its disposal. Anarchism is about changing social relations, not armed struggle.

Chuck0

As if there is not a plethora of diversity within the anarchists movement, which argueable substantiates the fact that YOU in no way can represent such a coalition (let alone with your knee jerk reactions!).

By the away, ever hear of VIETNAM-were the US military was rendered infertile against a fairly small Guerella army?

Ten guys armed with rusty shotguns and a couple of rifles could dash in and out of urban, suburban and rural areas causing complete havoc with ease... How do you think this whacked-ass country was able to succede from the brits.

If you are an honest person, who doesn't watch any TV news press conferences given by anarchists, or doesn't read any print media, or doesn't check this site for the protest issues, then I suggest you do a little homework.

If you are trying to entrap protestors that might respond to you,

then I suggest you see:

U.S. District Judge Dean D. Pregerson's injunciton barring "unlawful harrassment" of protestors by police, on Aug. 11, 2000;

and LA Times article, Aug. 12, "LAPD Capt. Michael R. Moore, the new commander of the Rampart Division, said in a sworn declaration filed Friday that if one of the allegations made in the plaintiffs' (protestors) suit was accurate it represented police misconduct."

i will provide a more lengthy editorial on the importance of protecting 2nd ammendment rights later. for the time being i want to point out the futility of direct warfare:

1) the machine of state is much better armed and organized;

2) our movement needs to be more universal in its acceptance before armed resistence and revolution can have a political effect (we believe in democracy, right?);

3) the characterization of the justice movement as a source of terrorist activity has had considerable effect in achieving pr victories in support of repressive police techniques.

also, where do you get this small group of white men bullshit --- look at the photos which were posted here on monday, they are suggestive of a large involvement by people of color.

I must say, I agree with loki. I tire of the sensible hesitation to take to violence as timidity or compromise. I empathize immensely with the rage and frustration, sitting here watching the mainstream media with a barf bag handy and a hoarse voice! A huge part of me longs to see that whole goddam building burn like the MOVE house in philly, goddamit. But that is the trap; we are in no way positioned as yet to take on the fucking LAPD not to mention the certainly-present paramilitary forces present in the streets of LA. First we put in the long work to win hearts and minds of all working people of all colors, that is, do the nitty gritty shit necessary. Look at Indymedia! - this shit is just beginning to proliferate with mass success, let's run with this conscious medium. If it comes to arms and fire we need just as much preparation as the Vietcong - just the ideology and anger is simply not enough.

peacewithjustice

Armed uprising and revolution is inevitable, as this repressive system clamps down more and more, the masses, not just white males, will increasingly step up their resistance to it. To affect any real change it is impossible to think that anything less than armed revolution would be sufficient. We are not in a situation where this is possible, YET. And to say that oppressors would allow change and progress, which in turn would take power from them is naive and shows little understanding of capitalism or imperialism. At som point the anarchists will probably take up arms, as will the Revolutionary Communists and many other diverse groups, however... not yet.

I thought this might interest a few of you out there. Its an article on the US military's civil disturbance planning.

http://cryptome.org/garden-plot.htm



Enjoy.

prepare yourself for pedantry:

vietnam: the americans got fucked up because they were not

accustomed to jungle warfare, because they were especially

not accustomed to guerilla jungle warfare, and many other

reasons. the cops, on the other hand, are perfectly at home

in the cities in which they have trained and in which they

spend their days. this, combined with the technology and

the sheer numbers they now have at their disposal, makes

them a formidable foe.

let's be honest. *THE ONLY REASON THE COPS HAVE NOT

COMPLETELY DECIMATED EVERY PROTEST IN THEIR RESPECTIVE

CITIES IS BECAUSE THEY SIMPLY HAVE NOT BEEN ORDERED TO DO

SO*. even the cops and their bosses realize that waging

open war on political protest itself still does not have

public support.

but guess what would give open warfare on activists complete

public support? a few fucking dolts with guns and black

flags, that's what.

the cops have a lot of guns and a lot of armour. if that

isn't enough, the army has fucking tanks and flamethrowers.

if you rise up, they will destroy you.

which brings us to the american revolution: to compare the

environment of pre-revolutionary america to our current

situation is absurd. back then, people who *opposed*

revolution were in the minority. today it is still the other

way around.

just like the cops can't wage war without public support,

neither can we.

look at history. every society that has been overthrown

before its time by a violent minority vanguard has been

replaced with a society held together by even more

violence.

IF YOU TORE DOWN THIS SOCIETY TOMORROW, ONE OF TWO THINGS

WOULD HAPPEN: PEOPLE WOULD BUILD IT BACK UP BECAUSE FOR NOW

IT'S ALL THEY KNOW, OR YOU WOULD HAVE TO KEEP USING VIOLENCE

TO KEEP YOUR MOMENTUM AND NEW SOCIETY. At which point we

would become *precisely* what we hate.

i suspect many people who call for open armed rebellion have

never even been witness to a modest police riot. class war

is not glamorous, folks, no matter who wages it. it is

bloody, terrible, scarring, perverted business, and you will

have to kill a lot of people - thus making the whole

"fighting for the people" thing a little absurd when it

turns into fighting against the people - and probably end

up getting killed yourself.

the american revolution was a groundswell of almost the

entire population. seattle was cool, but it was not the

population. and even look at paris in '68 - they had

the support of all the workers, and i'd say were very close

to a true uprising. but then the military would have come

in. even they were a long way from change, and we're nowhere

near the kind of anger there was in paris '68.

but the numbers are growing at an inspiring rate. reach out

to people. show them what you want society to be rather

than putting a gun to their heads and saying "make it

happen."

i sympathize with the rage. oh god, how i sympathize. but

you owe it to the movement to not play into their hands

and give them a reason to kill you, your sisters, and your

brothers.