{"article":{"id":945,"heading":"LA stand off","author":"Peace and Freedom","created":"2000-08-15 17:38:10","modified":"2005-08-15 00:22:34","last_modified":"Mon, 15 Aug 2005 07:22:34","article":"","contact":"rronhoff@hotmail.com","link":"","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","summary":"wall of blue","numcomment":11,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/2000\/08\/rh1.jpg","filesize":"18.1 kibibytes","article_url":"\/news\/2000\/08\/945.php","image":{"original":"\/uploads\/2000\/08\/rh1.jpg","small":"\/uploads\/2000\/08\/rh1.jpgthumb.jpg"}},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":1021,"heading":"arms, ideas and social revolution","article":"i will provide a more lengthy editorial on the importance of protecting 2nd ammendment rights later. for the time being i want to point out the futility of direct warfare: \r\n\r\n1) the machine of state is much better armed and organized; \r\n\r\n2) our movement needs to be more universal in its acceptance before armed resistence and revolution can have a political effect (we believe in democracy, right?);\r\n\r\n3) the characterization of the justice movement as a source of terrorist activity has had considerable effect in achieving pr victories in support of repressive police techniques.\r\n\r\nalso, where do you get this small group of white men bullshit --- look at the photos which were posted here on monday, they are suggestive of a large involvement by people of color.","author":"loki","parent_id":945,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2000-08-15 20:57:33","modified":"2000-08-15 20:58:59","fileurl":""},{"id":1043,"heading":"HOld Up","article":"I must say, I agree with loki.  I tire of the sensible hesitation to take to violence as timidity or compromise.  I empathize immensely with the rage and frustration, sitting here watching the mainstream media with a barf bag handy and a hoarse voice!  A huge part of me longs to see that whole goddam building burn like the MOVE house in philly, goddamit.  But that is the trap; we are in no way positioned as yet to take on the fucking LAPD not to mention the certainly-present paramilitary forces present in the streets of LA.  First we put in the long work to win hearts and minds of all working people of all colors, that is, do the nitty gritty shit necessary.  Look at Indymedia! - this shit is just beginning to proliferate with mass success, let's run with this conscious medium.  If it comes to arms and fire we need just as much preparation as the Vietcong - just the ideology and anger is simply not enough.\r\n\r\npeacewithjustice","author":"CL0S","parent_id":945,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2000-08-15 21:27:26","modified":"2000-08-15 21:30:33","fileurl":""},{"id":1286,"heading":"Arms are inevitable for any real change","article":"Armed uprising and revolution is inevitable, as this repressive system clamps down more and more, the masses, not just white males, will increasingly step up their resistance to it. To affect any real change it is impossible to think that anything less than armed revolution would be sufficient. We are not in a situation where this is possible, YET. And to say that oppressors would allow change and progress, which in turn would take power from them is naive and shows little understanding of capitalism or imperialism. At som point the anarchists will probably take up arms, as will the Revolutionary Communists and many other diverse groups, however... not yet.","author":"Janx (RCYB)","parent_id":945,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2000-08-16 16:48:47","modified":"2000-08-16 17:00:59","fileurl":""},{"id":1352,"heading":"Operation Garden Plot","article":"I thought this might interest a few of you out there.  Its an article on the US military's civil disturbance planning.  \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/cryptome.org\/garden-plot.htm\r\n\r\n\r\nEnjoy.","author":"TGN86","parent_id":945,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2000-08-16 18:27:43","modified":"2000-08-16 18:40:53","fileurl":""},{"id":3054,"heading":"you can't blow up a social relationship","article":"prepare yourself for pedantry:\r\n\r\nvietnam: the americans got fucked up because they were not\r\naccustomed to jungle warfare, because they were especially \r\nnot accustomed to guerilla jungle warfare, and many other\r\nreasons. the cops, on the other hand, are perfectly at home\r\nin the cities in which they have trained and in which they\r\nspend their days. this, combined with the technology and\r\nthe sheer numbers they now have at their disposal, makes\r\nthem a formidable foe.\r\n\r\nlet's be honest. *THE ONLY REASON THE COPS HAVE NOT \r\nCOMPLETELY DECIMATED EVERY PROTEST IN THEIR RESPECTIVE \r\nCITIES IS BECAUSE THEY SIMPLY HAVE NOT BEEN ORDERED TO DO\r\nSO*. even the cops and their bosses realize that waging \r\nopen war on political protest itself still does not have\r\npublic support. \r\n\r\nbut guess what would give open warfare on activists complete\r\npublic support? a few fucking dolts with guns and black\r\nflags, that's what. \r\n\r\nthe cops have a lot of guns and a lot of armour. if that\r\nisn't enough, the army has fucking tanks and flamethrowers.\r\nif you rise up, they will destroy you.\r\n\r\nwhich brings us to the american revolution: to compare the\r\nenvironment of pre-revolutionary america to our current\r\nsituation is absurd. back then, people who *opposed* \r\nrevolution were in the minority. today it is still the other\r\nway around. \r\n\r\njust like the cops can't wage war without public support,\r\nneither can we. \r\n\r\nlook at history. every society that has been overthrown\r\nbefore its time by a violent minority vanguard has been\r\nreplaced with a society held together by even more \r\nviolence. \r\n\r\nIF YOU TORE DOWN THIS SOCIETY TOMORROW, ONE OF TWO THINGS\r\nWOULD HAPPEN: PEOPLE WOULD BUILD IT BACK UP BECAUSE FOR NOW\r\nIT'S ALL THEY KNOW, OR YOU WOULD HAVE TO KEEP USING VIOLENCE\r\nTO KEEP YOUR MOMENTUM AND NEW SOCIETY. At which point we \r\nwould become *precisely* what we hate.\r\n\r\ni suspect many people who call for open armed rebellion have\r\nnever even been witness to a modest police riot. class war \r\nis not glamorous, folks, no matter who wages it. it is \r\nbloody, terrible, scarring, perverted business, and you will\r\nhave to kill a lot of people - thus making the whole\r\n\"fighting for the people\" thing a little absurd when it \r\nturns into fighting against the people - and probably end \r\nup getting killed yourself. \r\n\r\nthe american revolution was a groundswell of almost the \r\nentire population. seattle was cool, but it was not the\r\npopulation. and even look at paris in '68 - they had\r\nthe support of all the workers, and i'd say were very close\r\nto a true uprising. but then the military would have come\r\nin. even they were a long way from change, and we're nowhere\r\nnear the kind of anger there was in paris '68.\r\n\r\nbut the numbers are growing at an inspiring rate. reach out\r\nto people. show them what you want society to be rather\r\nthan putting a gun to their heads and saying \"make it \r\nhappen.\" \r\n\r\ni sympathize with the rage. oh god, how i sympathize. but\r\nyou owe it to the movement to not play into their hands\r\nand give them a reason to kill you, your sisters, and your\r\nbrothers.","author":"archan","parent_id":945,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2000-08-22 02:48:52","modified":"2000-09-16 15:13:06","fileurl":""},{"id":956,"heading":".","article":"Are any of the anarchists blocks going to take up arms?","author":".","parent_id":945,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2000-08-15 18:07:52","modified":"2000-08-15 18:09:26","fileurl":""},{"id":975,"heading":"Arms?","article":"Are any of the anarchists going to take up arms?\r\n\r\nNo, of course not. That would be suicidal. The American Police State has plenty of weapons at its disposal. Anarchism is about changing social relations, not armed struggle.\r\n\r\nChuck0","author":"Chuck0","parent_id":945,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2000-08-15 18:40:44","modified":"2000-08-15 18:44:07","fileurl":""},{"id":982,"heading":".","article":"As if there is not a plethora of diversity within the anarchists movement, which argueable substantiates the fact that YOU in no way can represent such a coalition (let alone with your knee jerk reactions!).\r\nBy the away, ever hear of VIETNAM-were the US military was rendered infertile against a fairly small Guerella army?\r\n\r\nTen guys armed with rusty shotguns and a couple of rifles could dash in and out of urban, suburban and rural areas causing complete havoc with ease...  How do you think this whacked-ass country was able to succede from the brits.\r\n","author":".","parent_id":945,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2000-08-15 18:55:38","modified":"2000-08-15 18:57:13","fileurl":""},{"id":988,"heading":"To those trying to entrap protestors.......","article":"If you are an honest person, who doesn't watch any TV news press conferences given by anarchists, or doesn't read any print media, or doesn't check this site for the protest issues, then I suggest you do a little homework.\r\n\r\nIf you are trying to entrap protestors that might respond to you,\r\nthen I suggest you see: \r\nU.S. District Judge Dean D. Pregerson's injunciton barring \"unlawful harrassment\" of protestors by police, on Aug. 11, 2000; \r\nand LA Times article, Aug. 12, \"LAPD Capt. Michael R. Moore, the new commander of the Rampart Division, said in a sworn declaration filed Friday that if one of the allegations made in the plaintiffs' (protestors) suit was accurate it represented police misconduct.\"","author":"velvet glove or iron fist","parent_id":945,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2000-08-15 19:19:51","modified":"2000-08-15 19:21:07","fileurl":""}]}