http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqvLtoWBpTU

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See: http://www.telrumeidaproject.org

In May 2005, a group of teenage settler girls attacked the students and teachers at

Qurtaba School, blocking their way out of the school as a police officer filmed and

soldiers watched.

The settlers sing and chant in Hebrew, "There is no Palestine, this is Israel" and

"there are no Palestinians." Settler boys in the street then blocked the stairs by

stoning the students as they tried to come down the stairs. The students scream and

run, but are blocked from every direction. The police and soldiers do not protect

the students. Documentarian Terje Carlsson filmed this incident.

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In April 2005, several independent

internationals began regular visits

to the neighborhood of Tel

Rumeida, Hebron, in the West

Bank.

Tel Rumeida is a small Palestinian

neighborhood widely acknowledged as

housing the most violent and extremist

faction of the Israeli settler movement.

Palestinian families who live directly next to

these settlers are often virtual prisoners in

their homes, subject to the settlers’ violent

attacks and destruction of property.

After meeting many of these families,

documenting the circumstances in which

they are forced to live, and experiencing the

settlers’ violence and the soldiers’

indifference firsthand, we became

committed to the neighborhood and began

to develop the foundations to begin a

permanent international presence in Tel

Rumeida.

It is the extremists on both sides that prevent the peace process from moving forward.

There is not a balance of terror. It is simple genocide being practiced by the terrorists in the israeli government aided by terrorists in the American government.

These are your extremists, and the occupied people of Palestine are the resistance to this genocide. Don't try to confuse the issue.

It is the apartheid that prevents the peace process from moving forward.

Jews rule. Arabs in the Occupied Territories have no rights and live under martial law. Why aren't they citizens? Why are they second class citizens? Why? because Zionism is racism, Zionists are racists, the Zionist entity is an apartheid regime.

Even Israeli Arabs have fewer rights than Israeli Jews. But Arabs in the Occupied Territories have no rights at all. They are prisoners in a giant concentration camp.

Since when are the native populations 'non Citizens?'

Can they buy land from a Jew?

Stop trying to change the subject and answer the question yes or no.

Why no answer? Are they ashamed of the truth?

This would kinda endanger the massive funding for zionists when the U. S. taxpayer got a whiff of the stench. Maybe you could design huge ovens.

why didnt Israel expel or run off or kill all the Arabs?

It's not a matter of NOT doing the above, it's a matter of timing. These things take time to accomplish...

> ....I've tried to answer you 3 times but got autoblockes , I guess

> They are auto-blocking and deleting us

when you make a comment and click the publish button you *have to give it the time it needs* to complete the command - your click is a request and is enqueued..

sometimes the queue gets backed up a bit

just *be patient* and what for it to bring up the confirmation page "comment added"

this can happen almost instantly with little traffic or *take up to 4-5 minutes* when it's backed up

if you wait for it there will never be double & triple posts like Robin just did

(it used to be much worse BTW - sometimes it used to take as much as 15-20 minutes)

you can go ahead and open another browser window and check the thread, other threads, latest comments, etc..

if you do this & refresh you'll see that right when you get the confirmation page your comment has been added - both the latest comments and the thread you posted it in will reflect this..

if you were being auto-blocked you would *never* be able to post

it's just slow sometimes..

even I occasionally double-post but with me it's due to the wireless connection crapping out (cordless phones and so on can make it drop) and I don't always know if it "took" when it does - if I suspect it did I *check the thread or latest comments in another browser window* to try to prevent this, but every once in awhile it does anyway..



also if you don't wait and close the window you posted from too soon, that's an aborted connection socket error to the newswire server - it signals that you've aborted the attempt to post so it dumps it (ideally - most of the time it doesn't) - it's supposed to work that way to prevent DoS attacks..

wheb you're being "blocked" ?

are you then using a proxy to post - or even read ? does it say 4.xx (405, 403, 404) access denied, forbidden, not authorized..

what specific detail can you show that makes you think this ?

-"It's not a matter of NOT doing the above, it's a matter of timing. These things take time to accomplish..."

You have not 'debunked' them. You are contradicting them.

>distinguish state owned land, Arab owned land, Jewish owned land

In a self proclaimed "Jewish state," there is no difference between state owned land and Jewish owned land.

Chaver! There is a point for the zionazi filth where persistence becomes stupidity...and just plain futile fanaticism

Menachem Begin-A Brief Biography & Quotes BASED On Declassified Israeli Documents & Personal Diaries

1913-1992

Manachem Begin was born in 1913 in Brest Litovsk, currently Belarus, and graduated as a lawyer from the University of Warsaw, Poland. After the Germans occupied Poland, he sought refuge in Lithuania. In 1942, he emigrated to Palestine where he led the Irgun terror gang. Since the British proposed the policies set out in the 1939 White Paper, Begin as well as Shamir (who led the Stern terror gang) joined forces to wage a wave of terror against British and the Palestinian people during WW II. Both Begin and Shamir were wanted by the British as terrorists for war crimes against the Palestinian people.

The Irgun and Begin were credited with the most famous massacre against Palestinian civilians, during the 1948 war,. visit DEIR YASSIN for further details. For internal Israeli political reasons, the Irgun, Stern and Begin were unfairly singled out by the main stream Israelis as a terrorists. On the other hand, the Haganah committed the lion's share of undisclosed war crimes against the Palestinian people. Between 1948-1977 Begin led the Israeli opposition as a member of the Likud party, and in 1977 he became Israel's sixth Prime Minister. He is credited with achieving the first peace treaty and neutralizing Egypt's army. With Egypt sidelined, Begin felt comfortable attacking the PLO and destroying its bases in Lebanon during the 1982 Israeli invasion. He resigned office in 1983 soon after the death of his wife, and then lived in seclusion until his death in 1992.

It's worth noting that Begin was a major disciple of Ze'ev Jabotinsky, and a strong believer in the IRON WALL theory. The lose of both of his parents during the Holocaust had a profound affect on his political life. From his quotes below, you will get an idea how much the Holocaust had obscured his vision of reality, and created a two dimensional view of the world around him. The Nazi war crimes against Jews were often cited by Begin as an excuse for heavy handed policies against the Palestinian people and Arabs in general.

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# Wanted by the British Mandate: Have you seen these terrorists? Don't be shy to circulate!

# NY Times Op-Ed article written by prominent American Jews (including Albert Einstein) critical of Menahem Begin's visit to the States, Dec. 2, 1948

Famous Quotes

One day after the U.N. vote to partition Palestine, Menachem Begin, the commander of the Irgun and Israel's future Prime Minster between 1977-1983, proclaimed:

"The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever." (Iron Wall p. 25 & Simha Flapan, p. 32)

Soon after Menachem Begin and the Likud party won the Israeli election in 1977, the government's foreign policy was stated as follows:

"the Jewish people have unchallengeable, eternal, historic right to the Land of Israel [including the West Bank and Gaza Strip], the inheritance of their forefathers," and pledged to build rural and urban exclusive Jewish colonies in the West Bank and Gaza Strip." (Iron Wall, p. 354-355) This is a typical Zionist argument where the Bible or the "Word of God" is being used to achieve political objectives.

While Menachem Begin was negotiating the with Egypt on the final status of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, he presented the following reasoning why Israel cannot withdraw from these areas:

"Israel will not transfer Judea, Samaria, and the Gaza District to any foreign sovereign authority, [because] of the historic right of our nation to this land, [and] the needs of our national security, which demand a capability to defend our State and the lives of our citizens." (Iron Wall, p. 356)

Again Begin used the Holocaust as a justification for the invasion of Lebanon. On June 5, 1982 he told the Israeli Cabinet:

"The hour of decision has arrived. You know what I have done, and what all of us have done. to prevent war and bereavement. But our fate is that in the Land of Israel there is no escape from fighting in the spirit of self-sacrifice. Believe me, the alternative to fighting is Treblinka, and we have resolved that there would be no Treblinkas. This is the moment in which courageous choice has to be made. The criminal terrorists and the world must know that the Jewish people have a right to self-defense, just like any other people" (Iron Wall, p. 404-405).

Almost 18 years later, the Israeli army was forced out of Lebanon after murdering more than 20,000 Lebanese & Palestinian civilians. The only difference between the old and the new Treblinka that in the new Treblinka it was Lebanese and Palestinian civilians who were being murdered, not Jews.

When the American President Ronald Reagan threatened to review American-Israeli relations over the indiscriminate carpet bombing of Beirut in 1982, once again the Prime Minister of the "Jewish state" used the Holocaust to clamp down on his critics, Menachem Begin wrote president Reagan:

"Now may I tell you, dear Mr. President, how I feel these days when I turn to the creator of my soul in deep gratitude. I feel as a Prime Minister empowered to instruct a valiant army facing Berlin where amongst innocent civilians, Hitler and his henchmen hide in a bunker deep beneath the surface. My generation, dear Ron, swore on the alter of God that whoever proclaims his intent to destroy the Jewish state or the Jewish people, or both, seals his fate, so that which happened once on instruction from Berlin---with or without inverted commas--- will never happen again" (Iron Wall, p. 404-405).

If Palestinians felt that Israel was founded based on the destruction of their hopses, and the theft of their homes, farms, businesses, ports, banks, ..etc., would it be just to mention the memories of Sabara and Shatila to justify the the carpet bombing of Tel-Aviv?

The reference to the Holocaust is often used and abused by many Israeli leaders to justify aggression, invasion, and the usurpation of other people's rights. When President Reagan sent a letter to Menachem Begin condemning the attack on the Iraqi civilian nuclear reactor in June 1981, Begin responded with a letter replete with references to the Holocaust, he wrote:

"A million and half children were poisoned by the Ziklon gas during the Holocaust. Now Israel's children were about to be poisoned by radioactivity. For two years we have lived in the shadow if the danger awaiting Israel from nuclear reactor in Iraq. This would have been a new Holocaust . It was prevented by the heroism of our pilots to whom we owe so much." (Iron Wall, p. 387)

Menachem Begin was strongly influenced by Ze'ev Jabotinsky's Iron Wall theory, he stated to Eliahu Ben-Elissar (the director general of the PM's office):

"The deterrent power, or in Jabotinsky's language THE IRON WALL, was intended to convince the Arabs that they would not be able to get rid of the sovereign Jewish presence in the Land of Israeli, even if they would not bring themselves to recognize the justice of the Jewish people's claim to the homeland." (Iron Wall, p. 354)

You mean *this* Begin?

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/05/160324_comment.php#163011

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Then there was Menachem Begin, terrorist extrordinaire, who later was elected to the highest office in the land.

Before that, he waged war against Hitler enemies.

(snip)

" Before that, he waged war against Hitler enemies. "

Do you mean the British?

But I've learned here on Indymedia that the British were enablers of Zionism. Why would Begin wage war on the British? Could that mean the British weren't friends of the Jews?

Was Begin anti- Zionist? Its just so confusing.

>How very racist of you and what does that have to do with pre-state israel or Ottoman times etc.?

Note that he didn't attempt to prove that the statement was untrue. Instead, he tried to change the subject. What does this tell us?

Is the statement true or not? In a self proclaimed "Jewish state," is state land not Jewish land? How can it possibly be otherwise?

Tia: where's that error message that shows blocking I asked you about ?

access denied/forbidden/not authorized/not found ?

TW - I posted that dog pic on another website just today and no one has any problem with it

-someone here has a "thing" for dogs :) even when it's the dog's own fault and it's another animal..

Latuff's excellent work - those stayed up too ^

-someone here has a "thing" against Latuff :)

You can save the YouTube videos and play them by going to your temporary internet cache folders and looking for a BIG file from YouTube (typ. 12.mb or so for videos like the above) and copying it to another folder *before you exit YouTube*..

Then re-name it to "whatever.FLV"

VLC will play it *and convert it* if you like to say - MPEG or another format that more players can handle

most flash players & utilities see a corrupted header (they're just being picky actually) and refuse to deal with it but VLC will try to play anything you feed it :)

VLC - the cross-platform media player and streaming server. VLC media player is a highly portable multimedia player for various audio and video formats.

VideoLAN - Free Software and Open Source video streaming solution for every OS!

http://www.videolan.org/vlc/