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Plato's Vomitorium

by doctor_jones Friday, Dec. 22, 2006 at 1:28 AM

don't read this. exhume deleuze. god is in the details, nietzche is dead. -- grandma

04:15 am - Flaubert was a proto anarchist!

The whole dream of democracy is to raise the proletarian to the level of stupidity attained by the bourgeois.

Gustave Flaubert

French realist novelist (1821 - 1880)

Flaubert meant Republic. But he had no way of knowing at that time in the 1800s. All were meant to view Republic as the sublimest of philosophies, the vehicle of the philosopher king. Today in twenty-ought-six we can see the philosopher king of the cognitive elites and his name is George W. Bush because Plato was a DAMNED DECEIVER. and he did it on purpose to fuck over the future?

No, not to fuck over the future. Plato was a man of his times -- and he thought he was right about everything. His prejudices and fears informed his polemic. Plato simply thought slavery was okay. That woman slaves who spoke out of turn SHOULD have their hair burned. That the Vomitorium was a practical and sane manifestation of the Republic and of the ideal state. And that he, as a child of the vomitorium, had the idea mental tools for creating a philosophy. If Plato appeared today...

does it matter? He is everywhere, in a way, his champions are moronic stutterer George W. Bush, sleazy con artist Newt Gingrich and hate-filled madman David Duke.

Flaubert, on the other hand, wrote Madame Bovary.

The whole dream of democracy is to raise the proletarian to the level of stupidity attained by the bourgeois.

Gustave Flaubert

French realist novelist (1821 - 1880)

the disgust in that statement is what helped it last the years from the early 1800s to 2006, the disgust with the way things were. Plato shows a general idea that in his time, things were great. And as such, Plato's Republic today rules the world.

It's an immortality of Kunderian proportions, Plato's immortality.

Deleuze was right! Philosophy should be about tracking down and encarcerating Plato. Because George Bush, Vlad "The Inhaler" Putin and Hu-Jin Tao do not rule the world. Plato does, via his republic. And thus Plato is become Pluto, a skeletal hand stretching out of the past and ancient Hellas into every battlefield since then that the West has filled with bodies. And like conditioned republicans, like people who internalized Plato's assertion that "Poets Lie", people who have swallowed the bullshit that Plato fed the future, people who, like baby birds waiting for the vomitoriums gustatory treats --

NEVERMIND, said Sid Vicious.

NEVERMIND, said Kurt Cobain.

EAT MY FUCK, said Courtney Love.

On 12/21/06, mikal haley> wrote:

Sub Poses Environmental Threat in Norway

By DOUG MELLGREN, Associated Press Writer

Wednesday, December 20, 2006

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(12-20) 15:01 PST OSLO, Norway (AP) --

More than 60 years after being torpedoed by the British navy, a Nazi submarine built to threaten allied ships continues to spread fear off the coast of Norway.

The rusting wreckage of the U-864, sunk in a desperate mission to supply Japan with advanced weapons technology, now poses a major environmental threat due to its poisonous cargo: 70 tons of mercury.

Residents on the tiny island of Fedje, located in the North Sea on roughly the same latitude as Scotland's Shetland Islands, want the sub removed. But authorities fear a salvage operation could result in a catastrophic spill, and suggest entombing the wreck in the seabed with rocks, cement and sand.

"Local people are very concerned," Fedje's Mayor Erling Walderhaug told The Associated Press on Wednesday. "They wanted it taken away so the danger would be gone for good."

The U-864 tried to skirt allied navy patrols on a last-ditch secret mission code-named "Caesar," to bring jet engine parts, missile guidance systems and mercury for weapons production to Germany's ally, Japan. British experts discovered the mission by breaking a German code.

In a rare underwater duel, the British submarine HMS Venturer stalked the U-864 for three hours before it finally sank it on Feb. 9, 1945, about 2 1/2 miles off Fedje.

The German submarine was only 14 months old when it went down with a crew of 73 in 500 feet of water.

The wreck lay undisturbed for almost 60 years until Norway's Royal Navy discovered it in March 2003. Oslo's newspaper Dagbladet has called it "Hitler's secret poison bomb."

The mercury containers are rusting, and some are leaking. Studies showed elevated mercury levels in the silt around the wreck, but so far only fish that live inside have been contaminated, according the Norwegian Food Protection Authority. Fishing is not allowed in the waters nearby.

After spending three years and about .5 million researching the problem, the Norwegian Coastal Administration recommended encasing the submarine with sand to prevent the spread of mercury. The method, it said in a report released Tuesday, had worked 30 times worldwide and was said to be less risky than attempting to lift the 2,400-ton sub.

"Encasing and covering are seen as permanent environmental measures," said Gunnar Gjellan, who leads the government's U-864 project. "The coastal administration recommends that the parts of the wreck be covered with a type of sand as an absorption material and an armoring layer on top to prevent corrosion."

The Ministry of Fisheries and Coastal Affairs said it will review the report before making a final decision.

For the people of Fedje, near Bergen, Norway's second-largest city, leaving the wreck where it lies means the sub's toxic cargo will continue to threaten their port — possibly for generations.

When released into the ocean, metallic mercury, the silver fluid once used in thermometers, can become more dangerous organic mercury. Through fish, organic mercury can be passed on to humans in food. Mercury poisoning can be fatal.

Even small amounts can damage the nervous system, as well as cause heart and kidney problems.

The Norwegian environmental group Bellona has asked that the sub be removed, but Bellona's Marius Dalen, who has followed the project from the start, said the group would now review the report.

"We wanted to see it raised to be sure that it does not become an environmental risk over time," Dalen said by telephone.

There is concern, he said, that the torpedoes aboard might explode if an attempt is made to raise the vessel. Experts are also worried about the condition of the U-864's keel, where the mercury bottles were stored.

"We would not want to have something happen halfway through the lifting operation that would spread mercury," he said.

Adolf Hitler sent the U-864 to Japan with then-revolutionary jet engine technology. By strengthening the Japanese, the Germans hoped to divert Allied troops and materiel away from Europe.

The U-864, under Capt. Ralf-Reimar Wolfram, had stopped in Bergen in Nazi-occupied Norway on its way from Kiel, Germany, to Japan. A short time later, the crew of the British sub HMS Venturer, under Capt. James S. Launders, detected the sound of the U-boat's engines.

After hours of playing cat and mouse, the Venturer fired four torpedoes in a span of 17 seconds. Three missed. The fourth hit the U-864, breaking it in half.

The Venturer was given to Norway after the war and renamed KNM Utstein.


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Press release

No.: 61/2005

Date: 16 September 2005

Contact person: Director General Kirsten Ullbæk Selvig, tel.: +47 22 24 64 37

The Government is considering how the risk of pollution from submarine wreck can be eliminated

The Government is initiating field studies concerning the wreck of the submarine U-864, which was sunk off Fedje in Hordaland County in 1945. The purpose of the studies is to determine the best way to eliminate any future risk of pollution from the wreck. The Government will fund this effort with NOK 14.7 million.

“Our objective is to find the best solution to permanently eliminate the risk of pollution. It is extremely important for the environment in general and for the good reputation of Norwegian seafood products,” says the Minister of Fisheries and Coastal Affairs, Svein Ludvigsen.

“Tests have already been done of fish and shellfish, and the Norwegian Food Safety Authority has not found grounds to issue a special dietary advisory on seafood from this area. However, the uncertainty linked to future mercury pollution from the wreck makes it necessary for the Coastal Directorate to commence this work immediately,” Svein Ludvigsen adds.


The German submarine was sunk by a British submarine on 9 February 1945. The German submarine was headed from Germany via Norway to Japan with war materiel. On board were over 70 men, including German and Japanese technical specialists. All those on board perished. According to historical documents, the submarine was carrying around 65 tonnes of metallic (liquid) mercury, which was stored in steel containers.

The wreck of the U-864 was found by the Royal Norwegian Navy in March 2003. It lies at a depth of approx. 150 metres, about 2 km west of Fedje. The wreck is split in two sections, with the fore and aft sections appearing to be relatively intact. The midsection has not been found.

Ever since the discovery, the Coastal Directorate has been engaged in a systematic step-by-step effort to assess and deal with the risk of pollution from the wreck. The first step, carried out in the autumn of 2003 and in the winter of 2004, was to confirm the information that there might be a cargo of mercury on board, and whether any of it had leaked out. Concentrations of mercury were found in some sediment samples near the wreck.

In the autumn of 2003 the National Institute for Nutrition and Seafood Research (NIFES) began a study of mercury in fish and shellfish. The mercury content of important species such as cod, saithe and ling was equal to that found to be the normal level of mercury in these species. The mercury content of redfish from Fedje was 0.22 mg/kg, whereas the EU limit for mercury in seafood is 0.5 milligrams of mercury per kilogram wet weight.

The Norwegian Food Safety Authority was briefed on this effort and in late winter 2004 found no reason to issue a dietary advisory on fish or shellfish from the area near Fedje.

The Coastal Directorate also engaged the Norwegian Institute for Water Research (NIVA) to assess the environmental risk which the mercury represents. NIVA recommends that the mercury containers be removed to the extent possible and that isolating the wreck be considered.

In its recommendation to the Ministry of Fisheries and Coastal Affairs in June 2005, the Coastal Directorate favours taking action to eliminate the danger of mercury pollution, with the work done in two phases. In a preliminary project a thorough survey of the wreck and the surrounding area will be conducted and on this background the actions that can be taken without posing an unacceptable risk of further pollution will be assessed. The preliminary project should then be followed up with a main project to eliminate the risk of pollution, insofar as this can be done.

Today the Coastal Directorate considers remove of the cargo, wreck and polluted sediments as the most appropriate action. If it is impossible to raise the cargo and wreck in an environmentally sound manner, encasing/covering the wreck will need to be considered. Raising the wreck with the cargo on board is currently regarded as posing too high a risk of further pollution.

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