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Quick Change Possible Says Spoken Word Artist John Trudell

by ji sjimx Friday, Feb. 08, 2002 at 10:03 PM

Theoretically if everyone that disagrees with the lie that has been imposed upon us--tomorrow, theoretically if everyone got up and said, all right I changed my mind. I'm not going to believe the lie any more--you would have nonviolent change--and you would have quick change--because the system goes upon our self-rationalizations and self-justifications and insecurity: lack of respect for self. (pssst---pass it around!)

excerpts from _Stickman_: interviews and words of John Trudell, edited by Paola Igliori; Inanout Press (year 1993?)

Thought a lot of people might find this valuable, so I'm posting it in various places, with hopes that those moved by this will pass it around. This is just the first excerpt of a large excerpt I hope to make available on the Net. (the part about "quick change" is near the end) Enjoy!

John in discussion with Paola Igliori:

...The internal predator...I don't place emphasis on the internal predator because I don't

think there is an internal predator, I think that the predator is truly external. It's in

the structures and creations of man....see, we just are. We are human beings. ...We

got what would be defined as strengths and weaknesses. I think that our technologic

civilization is driving itself insane by going so far into the minute that it misses the

simplicity of one doing the best that they can with the best that they have. For the tribes,

for us here on this land, before the Europeans came here, we didn't have any problem with

love and fear and loss...that wasn't some internal predator running around in our mind or

our psyches or our souls or our spirits. That was something that the Europeans

brought...that's an equation, a perception that's unique to them.


It's like this whole concept of guilt, sin and's all bullshit. It's an external

programming being put inside of us. What we are is just natural human beings, natural human

beings when we're honest with ourselves, when we tell ourselves the truth and then we act

according to that honesty. See, I think that's what it takes, that's what it starts to take

to make things more clear for us, to make us healthier is to tell ourselves the truth.

[These] abstractions, to me, like love and pain and they become equated...that's too much

like that psychoanalysis that comes of of European psychiatric mind fucking, doing the

best that we can with the best that we have
and understand the power that is in that.

...Let's say it like that: value is in the material world; power, real power is in the world

of spirit.


Paola: The oppressor feels threatened by the power of awareness and it's a war that's

very real and not new. Hitler knew and conquered all the power spots in Europe as the first

thing; the Catholic church put its cross on top of Incas and Mayan pyramids and power spots

in general.

It has put its cross on many, many of the European tribes, too. Europe's citizens were

tribes before they were citizens.

Paola: Yeah, I'm pretty aware of that, being Italian; we still are in some ways. Our

culture, somewhat like yours, I think, is more connected to celebration, to the earth, to

life. Even if the predator has crept in since longer time, our roots are strong.

Anyway...yes, Hitler...even very recently it was done in Europe...and yes, it's been done

throught the ages...So, there could possibly be an actual physical danger around people that

spread awareness even now, don't you think?

Well, I think that what one would define as physical danger, I think the potential for that

is always there, but in context of people being hunted because of their thought and their

perception, that goes hand in hand with "civilization" has always been a part of

civilization and I don't expect it to go away now. It has been one of the main tools of

civilization, to attack the spirit of the persecute and hunt, and have

their search and destroy missions against thought...


Paola: ...I really hear what you say about deactivating the external predator, that preys

on our spirit, deactivate it through our perception of it, as it lives in the


(next page)

So we all have associations in our subconscious that keep us stuck in repetitions until we

get really aware of them. Of where the links are. Usually pain is the communication to

pay attention, and if there isn't attention the price is more pain.

excerpts from "American Indian Community House, New York; June 17, 1992":

...we're part of the natural world, we're not necessarily superior to it but we're a

part of it, and when we consider our role in that proper context--this predator energy feeds

upon living things--it has found a way to take fossils and mine them into a form of energy

to run its machine system--this predator energy has also found a way to mine the

has found a way to mine our minds.

It feeds off all of us. And just as that fossil fuel system contaminates and pollutes the

environment around us--the air the water the whole life cycles--and it leaves it back with

its poisons and contamination [so we find the same in the way they mine our spirits]. As

they mine our spirit through our minds the contaminations and pollutants are the distortions

that are left and leave our minds foggy so that we can't see clear--that's the

that's the hatreds and the extremes of self trust and self respect and

many forms of masks and disguises that it wears within our minds--this is all very

deliberately done.

So in order for this system, this predatory energy system to work, we have to believe in it,

we have to believe it, and if we are to look clearly at what's really going on as this

process works, if we are going to believe in it then we can not believe in ourselves,

we can not trust ourselves that's just the way this system works. We all have a commonality

and it's within our genetic memory--I am from the people that are indigenous to this

hemisphere but we are all indigenous to this planet. The DNA of the earth is in all of

us--it is in all of us and it's just part of what's being mined along with the rest of the

fossils--it's some elaborate system that I can't quite truly understand but it feeds upon


[(editor's note to John and others: in my view the external predator is fear which has

become a kind of rigid institution where all policies and imaginations emanate directly from

being stuck in fear; Russell Means called it *fear of the unknown*; i see this fear as

institutionalized in modern "civilization", and a way to overcome this situation may be to

institutionalize the opposite: i.e. bridging with fearers in ways that beautifully "blow

them away"! We're not going to solve the problem by increasing fear quotients!)]

So this predator energy that feeds upon us--its got to do with clarity and how we use our

minds. Predator in this time, this historical time--let's use advertising--we

all accept advertising--it's an acceptable respectable part of this society--but the reality

of advertising is it's an attack against self-worth--it's a constant barrage it's a

relentless attack against the worth of the self because every time it is telling us that

others will like us better--others will like us better--if we consume this or that

and you become programmed with that crap all of your life all of your life. The

subtleness and the blatantness simultaneously of that type of an attack.

We enter into this reality. Technologic reality tells us that we were born to die. Tribal

reality is we enter into this reality, we believe this reality and we will continue as part

of the larger life cycle. Technologic reality is you were born to die and at the end of it,

it's all based upon the material aspects of reality...So if you behave like good little boys

and girls, then you will go to male dominated god heaven. If you misbehave little boys and

girls, then you will go to a male dominated hell. (...)

...In this room, every time any one of us accepts, rationalizes the great lie, because it

meets a need for us to know more, or even help us to hide from it, then they are getting us

to accept the illusion as reality. Every time we listen to a political pimp** come out here

and tell us his selling line, and we know he's telling a lie but we rationalize why we're

gonna vote for him or why we're gonna do this for him or why we're gonna accept that

lie--that is converting this illusion into reality and we aid and abet it--because we have

been programmed to do so.

[(ed's note: i question the use of the label "pimp" because it looks like John is making use

of a sex-negative power word, demonizing a whole group of people as the image we're

programmed with about what pimps do and who they are)]

And I find it very interesting to live in a "democracy"--all right a democracy--to me a

democracy is just puritans with neon glasses, right, and that's all that it is.

The democracy, whether the democracy is called communism or fascism or capitalism--no matter

what it's called--it's all what I call dark age ruling control forms--It's the dark ages

with neon.

angry ones rise

feeding the beast

all aggression is justified

and the beast grows

Nothing has changed--you're still the peasants--you're the peasants and you're the serfs and

you gotta do the bidding of the landlords and the royalty--that is reality--it has not

changed, you know--you can turn on all the electric lights you want--reality has not


You can call yourself workers you can call yourself citizens you can call [yourself]

anything you want. Freedom?? Why does freedom end in "dom". Think about it--why does freedom

end in "dom"? Citizens don't feel oppressed because they live a hypocrisy, so they don't

feel oppressed, they feel powerless. The illusion converted into the reality--and it all

works on how we believe.

...Now, if they they have all the power, then why do they have to have someone come here and

run back and tell them what we're talking about? Because they're afraid we might think. They

don't want us to think and they don't want us to clear the pollution out of our own minds

because we can do it by activating our thinking process--but if they have all the power,

then why are they so concerned about what we think? Because, it's of the mind.

Theoretically if everyone that disagrees with the lie that has been imposed upon

us--tomorrow, theoretically if everyone got up and said, all right I changed my mind. I'm

not going to believe the lie any more--you would have nonviolent change--and you would have

quick change--because the system goes upon our self-rationalizations and self-justifications

and insecurity: lack of respect for self.

[(ed's note: and what if this lack of respect for self is simply **The Reflection of the

'ruling class'**??!! And a language which we can catch onto, opt out, and begin seeking to

deal with via bridging beautifully with all these people so heavily stuck in this so-called

'ruling class')]

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