Here's a debate about whether or not the GW Bush regime should be pursued by an international war crimes tribunal;



j..s. cas wrote;

"You are truly a weirdo in my opinion---you need to 'walk in their shoes'---Pres. Bush did the best he could under the circumstances---liberals fighting him at every turn-- and the war on terror."

No, GW Bush lied and decieved the people of the U.S., using 9/11 attacks as a false reason for invasion of Iraq, the claim that Sadddam worked with al-Queda came from false confession after torture of al Libby, a senior al-Queda operative. Anyone tortured enough will lie and say what their captors want to hear. Another valid reason that torture should never be used by the military or anyone else..

The real reasons for the invasion of Iraq were because Saddam switched Iraqi currency to be compatible with the Euro and this caused the U.S. oil economy serious stress. The attempts by the GW bush regime to privatize Iraq's oil feilds several years after removing Saddam from power should be another good clue as to Bush regime's motivations..

then;

"He protected the US from further attacks, which were all around the world...."

Most of these attacks by al-Queda (and others) were either directed at U.S. targets (embassy, hotel, etc...) or allies of U.S. for specific reasons, the U.S. occupation of Muslim lands and unilateral aid to the apartheid regime of Israel by U.S. policymakers..

To reduce the need for spending of U.S. taxpayer dollars on military contracters (Boeing, Raytheon, etc...) and the ease of al-Queda recruitment due to Muslim outrage over U.S. and Israeli military actions, the simple yet important requests of al-Queda spokesperson "Azzam the American" could be heeded; remove all U.S. military bases and troops from Muslim lands and cease support of apartheid Israel, demand autonomy and self rule without interference for Palestinians. This would reduce the recruitment potential of al-Queda, as less Muslim outrage means less reason to become a suicide bomber. Less terrorists, less need to spend our taxpayer dollars on military equipment, the potentials for peace times savings are truly staggering..

then;

"Hussein did have WMD and moved them before the war started---listen to some of the people who saw them being moved to Saudi Arabia...."

This shows ignorance as Saddam detested the Saudi Arabian monarchy who are allied with the Bush family. The competition Saddam posed made him a threat to the Saudi monarchy, and this is part of the reason they supported GW bush's invasion of Iraq!!

The point is no WMDs were found in Iraq or elsewhere, there is no evidence that Saddam moved WMDs anywhere else. We could assert that Saddam shipped the WMDs off to the moon, yet unless we can show evidence of this claim it is invalid. That is how reality works. Sometimes reality sucks for folks like Bush/Cheney, so they find creative ways of bending and stretching the truth until it screams for mercy..

then;

"I believe the Bush regime did the very best they could under very stressful circumstances...."

Stressful enough to violate the Geneva Conventions and the U.S. Constitution, both of which are criminal acts for figures (s)elected? to represent the U.S. public. Thus the GW Bush regime are in need for a certified public trial to verify and prove the claims of war criminal being made against them by U.N. officials and domestic civil liberty advocates..

finally;

"you and your international trials should go jump off a bridge--the Bushes DESERVE their peaceful retirement."

Threatening me with forced suicide will not help your case either. No, i will not jump off any bridges, and will instead join up with the international movement for a war crimes trial for the former GW bush regime..

"When the possibility of far-reaching war crimes and crimes against humanity exists, people of conscience have a solemn responsibility to inquire into the nature and scope of these acts and to determine if they do in fact rise to the level of war crimes " -- from the Charter

some indictments against GW bush;

"Torture and Indefinite Detention

The Commission will inquire into the following charges:

Torture:

Count 1: The Bush administration authorized the use of torture and abuse in violation of international humanitarian and human rights law and domestic constitutional and statutory law.

Rendition:

Count 2: The Bush administration authorized the transfer (“rendition”) of persons held in U.S. custody to foreign countries where torture is known to be practiced.

Illegal Detention:

Count 3: The Bush administration authorized the indefinite detention of persons seized in foreign combat zones and in other countries far from any combat zone and denied them the protections of the Geneva Conventions on the treatment of prisoners of war and the protections of the U.S. Constitution.

Count 4: The Bush administration authorized the round-up and detention in the United States of tens of thousands of immigrants on pretextual grounds and held them without charge or trial in violation of international human rights law and domestic constitutional and civil rights law.

Count 5: The Bush administration used military forces to seize and detain indefinitely without charges U.S. citizens, denying them the right to challenge their detention in U.S. courts.

Murder:

Count 6: The Bush administration committed murder by authorizing the CIA to kill those that the president designates, either US citizens or non-citizens, anywhere in the world.

full indictment

Destruction of the Global Environment

The Commission will inquire into the following charges:

Count 1: Denial and Distortion of Scientific Consensus and Findings--

The Bush administration has consistently denied the scientific consensus around global warming and its causes. Administration officials have misrepresented, distorted, and suppressed scientific information on the subject, especially as it would impact public opinion.

Count 2: Obstructionism on International Efforts--

The Bush administration has refused to take any measures to curb the emissions of greenhouse gases, guided by narrow corporate interests. It has withdrawn from any international efforts that would impose binding restrictions, however minimal. It has done this with full knowledge of the catastrophic effects of global warming and the disproportionate U.S. share of world greenhouse gas emissions, the leading cause of global warming."

http://www.bushcommission.org/