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by Wrath
Monday, Aug. 11, 2008 at 5:26 PM
Those who may choose to work with the
RAC in L.A. shoudl be warned, especially if you are female, that members of this organizacion have violently verbally attacked a female member of the of the activist community in l.a.
Those who may choose to work with the RAC in L.A. shoudl be warned, especially if you are female, that members of this organizacion have violently verbally attacked a female member of the of the activist community in l.a. Arccording to a source, one or more members of the community group known as the RAC aggressively pursued a woman trying to organize a community street theatre project in MacArthur Park. they came up to her screaming insults and ordered her to leave the park saying that if she wanted to host events there in the futre she would have to speak to the RAC and get their approval. The RAC are proving to be nothing more than a bunch of street thugs who ¨found Che¨. these are the very same misogynists we have been and will be fighting in the future. You cannot ever justify violence again women, this is totally unaccecptable and those involved in the attack should be held accountable for their actions. If, under ther cloak of autonomy, the RAC wants to ¨control¨ MacArthur Park just as the thugs in the hood then we will need to create public tribunals to hold those individuals accountable for any assault on a female. Anyone from any community wishing to meet to dicuss how to proceed with charges against the members of the RAC should reply to this news item and we will create a time and space to go over the charges we wish to pursue against these misogynists. The members will be granted a fair community hearing and both sides will be presnt to offer their explainations. If it is determined that the members of the RAC were the aggressors the should be given the opportunity to publicly apologize or face immediate expulsion from the community.
It is never acceptable to assualt a woman anywhere, ever!
by ?
Tuesday, Aug. 12, 2008 at 3:34 AM
This post cites no facts, details, or even the date of the alleged incident. Without more information and evidence it should be considered suspect.
Also: Anyone know what RAC means? Who are they?
by John A Imani
Tuesday, Aug. 12, 2008 at 2:54 PM
johnaimani@earthlink.net
RAC stands for Revolutionary Autonomous Communities. We are a group formed after the police riot in MacArthur Park on May Day 2007 with the purpose of building a community network composed of and by and for the people of the area. Since the first week in November of last year RAC has obtained, consolidated and distributed free food to the needy of the area. We are to be found every Sunday in the Park at the SE corner of Wilshire and Park View doing so at appx 1:30. On average some 125-150 people receive food packages from RAC every Sunday.
As for the above, the comments by an anonymous writer about an unnamed person involving unknown RAC members doing unmentioned things at an unknown location at a time no one seems to know strikes one as COINTELPRO sorta shit. This baseless allegation ought be removed.
JAI
by JAI?
Tuesday, Aug. 12, 2008 at 3:08 PM
COINTELPRO sort of shit? this is what i expected from a little punk street thug. if you knew the first thing about activist security culture you would understand why no place other then MacArthur Park was mentioned and no names were listed. the member of your organization who verbally assualted the female activist knows who he is, maybe it´s you for all i know.
as for the rest of your baseless bullshit sputtering about autonomy and equality if you are demanding approval from your gang to use M.P, a public space, then you are mere fascist street thugs. i don´t see you running up on the dealers and ordering them off the grounds nor have i ever seen you assail the cops who regularly harrass the homeless in the park. But a woman organizing political street theatre is fair game? i´ll be back in town at the end of Sept and we will be using the park to organize from and unite the communities through art and action. you are welcome to come but we will not be asking permission from you or anyone else, and there will be no further assaults on the women of our group for any reason.
Understood?!
by JAI?
Tuesday, Aug. 12, 2008 at 3:08 PM
COINTELPRO sort of shit? this is what i expected from a little punk street thug. if you knew the first thing about activist security culture you would understand why no place other then MacArthur Park was mentioned and no names were listed. the member of your organization who verbally assualted the female activist knows who he is, maybe it´s you for all i know.
as for the rest of your baseless bullshit sputtering about autonomy and equality if you are demanding approval from your gang to use M.P, a public space, then you are mere fascist street thugs. i don´t see you running up on the dealers and ordering them off the grounds nor have i ever seen you assail the cops who regularly harrass the homeless in the park. But a woman organizing political street theatre is fair game? i´ll be back in town at the end of Sept and we will be using the park to organize from and unite the communities through art and action. you are welcome to come but we will not be asking permission from you or anyone else, and there will be no further assaults on the women of our group for any reason.
Understood?!
by security culture
Tuesday, Aug. 12, 2008 at 8:45 PM
It doesn't matter that you didn't use any names- the post acts to discredit RAC as an organization by airing unconfirmed or yet to be confirmed allegations at them. This is textbook COINTELPRO.
If this post is genuine then it was a really really really poor decision.
If this post is not genuine then....
by ThugLife Mothafucka
Tuesday, Aug. 12, 2008 at 9:51 PM
The person who wrote that was a guy who is named steve.
he is a white male liberal who claims to be an anarchist. He is known to be divisive and is overall a questionable individual
He is someone who wants to put himself in the front of the struggle of oppressed people and criticize them when they try to organize themselves. he's tried to do it many times before.
the things he is saying is similar to that of a white supremacist and a pig. he's never challenged his white male privilege and doesn't even know the individuals he's attacking.
security culture? how is he practicing it when he posts lies on the internet?
i doubt he even knows what a fascist is, it's just something he's throwing out to create divisions and cause confusions.
by mYne
Tuesday, Aug. 12, 2008 at 10:49 PM
This is the same cracker who brought a white supremest to the Solidarity Fest.
by John A Imani
Wednesday, Aug. 13, 2008 at 12:51 PM
johnaimani@earthlink.net
RAc has never 'claimed' Mac Arthur Park or anywhere else. We are not there in any capacity but to assist the members of this community in (self-)organizing.
As for threats, you can write me off line as I have included my e-mail address and identity and hide not behind namelessness to hurl baseless accusations and talk shit.
by Steve
Wednesday, Aug. 13, 2008 at 3:13 PM
Hey there Joaquim!
my favourite detractor in the movement today.
ok, i´m devisive? i dont remember seeing you hop the fence when the bulldozers arrived... you damn straight i´m critical of organizations and some of their members. it´s people like you and knowing the criticisms and hostility i face that made me quit the immigrants right struggle in l.a. last year.
that´s right you heard it here folks, I QUIT.
should make ya happy to know that.
the only reason for my original post was because a friend, a FEMALE friend said she was attacked by someone claiming to be RAC. your younger and stronger than i am so i have no concern that should you choose to attack me you will win. but then that too would merely prove youre a thug´. but i will do everything i need to do to protect all oppressed peoples from anyone no matter where or what community they are from. i will fight to keep women, men, children, black, brown, white, gay or straight free from any sort of oppression anywhere. streets of l.a. are yours they always have been and will be. i have never acted like i was a leader of anything, cause i´m not and i distance myself from those roles, anyone who kn ows me well enough should know that.
i´ve addressed my obvious white male priveldge many many times of the years and have really reached a point where i´m tired of it being the only thing we argue about Joaquim. the struggle is going to become worse then you can ever begin to imagine. the enviornemtn is collapsing and will be gone in about 10 year. maybe it be behoove you to reach out to other communities and stop being so goddamned devisive yourself because it won´t be to much longer till you are all fighting in the streets over clean water and food. i´m sure a have more to say but i´m just tired of saying it. you know how to reach me if you want to.
solidarity
for whatever its worth
by Steve
Wednesday, Aug. 13, 2008 at 3:13 PM
Hey there Joaquim!
my favourite detractor in the movement today.
ok, i´m devisive? i dont remember seeing you hop the fence when the bulldozers arrived... you damn straight i´m critical of organizations and some of their members. it´s people like you and knowing the criticisms and hostility i face that made me quit the immigrants right struggle in l.a. last year.
that´s right you heard it here folks, I QUIT.
should make ya happy to know that.
the only reason for my original post was because a friend, a FEMALE friend said she was attacked by someone claiming to be RAC. your younger and stronger than i am so i have no concern that should you choose to attack me you will win. but then that too would merely prove youre a thug´. but i will do everything i need to do to protect all oppressed peoples from anyone no matter where or what community they are from. i will fight to keep women, men, children, black, brown, white, gay or straight free from any sort of oppression anywhere. streets of l.a. are yours they always have been and will be. i have never acted like i was a leader of anything, cause i´m not and i distance myself from those roles, anyone who kn ows me well enough should know that.
i´ve addressed my obvious white male priveldge many many times of the years and have really reached a point where i´m tired of it being the only thing we argue about Joaquim. the struggle is going to become worse then you can ever begin to imagine. the enviornemtn is collapsing and will be gone in about 10 year. maybe it be behoove you to reach out to other communities and stop being so goddamned devisive yourself because it won´t be to much longer till you are all fighting in the streets over clean water and food. i´m sure a have more to say but i´m just tired of saying it. you know how to reach me if you want to.
solidarity
for whatever its worth
by steve
Wednesday, Aug. 13, 2008 at 3:17 PM
so we should just allow people in other communties to verbally attack women?
security culture doesn´t say shit about outing potentially dangerous individuals or organiztions.
by steve
Wednesday, Aug. 13, 2008 at 3:17 PM
so we should just allow people in other communties to verbally attack women?
security culture doesn´t say shit about outing potentially dangerous individuals or organiztions.
by and more drama
Wednesday, Aug. 13, 2008 at 3:27 PM
I'm not a RAc member but they do good things at Mac Arthur park. Free food and free clothing program. I dont know what really happened but you guys all need to meet and talk instead of doing this online.
by me
Friday, Aug. 15, 2008 at 5:40 AM
Why does Indy Media Still have this baseless hearsay still up? I know that this NUT may work with you all, but this is totally unfounded. Among Anti-authoritarians of color living under Amerikkkas neocolonial conditions. We uphold principles of not listening to hear say or posting baseless comments on the Internet which is totally counter-productive and suspect as fuck. And being a person of Afrikan descent, I don't want you fighting for ME or my community, because being a white man in the United Snakes you have a much bigger job. the job of organizing anti racist white folks. You will not just come into our communities(people of color) uninvited(and I'm not telling you where you can and cannot go, the community will do that). Just as long as you can up and leave whenever shit hits the fan. You will not Patty Hearst us again, or victoms of your white massiagh complex. We refuse to be used as cannon fodder like our sister and brothers in the 60's. We will be free regardless if you stand by our sides against white supremacy, privilege, patriarchy, etc. We have nothing to lose. Yet you only do as much as your privilege allows. Yes you may support movements abroad, but when shit hit's the fan in your own backyard, and your privilege is compromised..... you turn into a liberal and say stupid shit like you said. From here on out , no more time will be wasted on this crap. We have communities and nations to build and protect. With no time for reactionary's and white supremest.
All Power Thru the People!!!!!
by me
Friday, Aug. 15, 2008 at 5:41 AM
Why does Indy Media Still have this baseless hearsay still up? I know that this NUT may work with you all, but this is totally unfounded. Among Anti-authoritarians of color living under Amerikkkas neocolonial conditions. We uphold principles of not listening to hear say or posting baseless comments on the Internet which is totally counter-productive and suspect as fuck. And being a person of Afrikan descent, I don't want you fighting for ME or my community, because being a white man in the United Snakes you have a much bigger job. the job of organizing anti racist white folks. You will not just come into our communities(people of color) uninvited(and I'm not telling you where you can and cannot go, the community will do that). Just as long as you can up and leave whenever shit hits the fan. You will not Patty Hearst us again, or victoms of your white massiagh complex. We refuse to be used as cannon fodder like our sister and brothers in the 60's. We will be free regardless if you stand by our sides against white supremacy, privilege, patriarchy, etc. We have nothing to lose. Yet you only do as much as your privilege allows. Yes you may support movements abroad, but when shit hit's the fan in your own backyard, and your privilege is compromised..... you turn into a liberal and say stupid shit like you said. From here on out , no more time will be wasted on this crap. We have communities and nations to build and protect. With no time for reactionary's and white supremest.
All Power Thru the People!!!!!
by United we Stand
Friday, Aug. 15, 2008 at 5:07 PM
We all need to unite and work together and practice non-violence. We are all brothers and sisters and we need to be united as a rainbow coalition and practice random kindness to each other. We all need to talk nice to each other and work for a goal of peace and understanding.
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