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Repealing Posse Comitatus Would Mean Iraq in the US. Do We Really Want This?

by Dave Lindorff Wednesday, Sep. 28, 2005 at 1:06 PM
dlindorff@yahoo.com

After watching what the Commander in Chief does with the military in Iraq and Afghanistan, do we really want to have the army going in every time there is some kind of natural disaster in America.

George Bush has become a classic Johnny One Note: If there's a problem, call out the troops.

That, of course, was his response to 9/11.

It was his belated response to the flooding of New Orleans too, you may recall. The first thing the president did when he finally left off his vacation and returned from his fund-raising event, was to get M-16-armed troops (and, apparently, Blackwater mercenaries with even heavier weaponry) into the city to start shooting to kill people who were desperately trying to survive.

Now, confronted with the lowest public support figures of his (or almost any) presidency, this singularly detached and inept president is proposing that Congress repeal the 127-year-old Posse Comitatus Act so that the Pentagon can send active duty troops into domestic crisis zones without even so much as an executive order.

Presumably the folks who came up with this horrible idea (it's got Karl Rove’s greasy fingerprints all over it), figure that this plays to Bush's "strength"--the carefully tended myth that this drug-and–alcohol addled Vietnam-era National Guard AWOL somehow knows how to be tough and to use military "assets".

Lord knows where this idea gets its legs. He certainly hasn't displayed any particular military leadership skills in his handling of military operations in Afghanistan and Iraq, which surely will become (like Hitler's decisions not to invade Britain and to invade Russia) classic case studies in what not to do in military schools from the Virginia Military Institute to West Point for decades to come. But be that as it may, we should be doubly concerned about this very bad idea.

First of all, why would anyone want people who were trained to shoot off everything they've got in a 360-degree radius whenever they sense danger being sent into American neighborhoods to rescue people or to restore order? American troops have been firing off an average of 90,000 rounds of ammunition per soldier in Iraq, and at best they've killed maybe a few thousand insurgents (that would be one insurgent per 250 U.S. soldiers, or looked at another way, one insurgent per 22.5 million shells). Clearly these guys are not good at shooting enemies. What they have been pretty good at, unfortunately, is killing innocents. Hey, nobody’s counting (the U.S. occupation authorities won’t let anyone count), but the estimates for civilian deaths in Iraq caused largely by American forces range somewhere between 25,000 and 125,000--most likely the latter.

Are these the kind of guys you want coming into your neighborhood when you have a flood or a tornado?

I think not.

Then there's the matter of our basic rights.

Remember those? No illegal search and seizure. No billeting of troops in homes. Freedom of speech and assembly. All those sacred Constitutionally-protected rights went down the toilet when Bush's troops rolled into New Orleans. And that is what we can expect to see become routinized if this latest Bush/Rove scheme gets the nod from Congress.

Beyond that, one thing that has distinguished the U.S. from much of the rest of the world, and that has helped to preserve what democracy we have in this country, is that the army has remained very professional and removed from politics. There has not been a military coup in the U.S. since the country's founding, and many military leaders thankfully have a strong distaste for involving the uniformed forces in that kind of thing.

That said, during the Nixon and Reagan administrations, there were well-documented plans developed (with names like Operation Garden Plot, and Rex Alpha) for establishing martial law in the nation, or in parts of the nation--something that it appears has also been going on in the bowels of the White House and the Pentagon during this president's two terms.

The Posse Comitatus Act makes establishing military rule much harder to do. It gives those military officers who might want to resist martial law orders something to hang on to.

For the rest of this column and other stories by Lindorff, please go (at no charge) to This Can't Be Happening! .

Remember Waco?

by Sheepdog Wednesday, Sep. 28, 2005 at 1:33 PM

Remember those pieces of armor that came in, crushed and burned the men women and childern there after gassing them with CS? We had a presidential candidate, a Gen W Clark, who sent that armor in. This was in full view of the entire nation. What the hell was that if not a public display of military terrorism? The law, like the other pieces of paper that codify the rules of our government are only as solid as we demand it to be.
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/clark.htm

actually not

by Hex Wednesday, Sep. 28, 2005 at 3:17 PM

> This was in full view of the entire nation

the media was kept 5 miles away during the attack



the statistics don't paint a pretty picture

by Hex Wednesday, Sep. 28, 2005 at 4:12 PM

> 90,000 rounds of ammunition per soldier in Iraq / 1 insurgent per 250 U.S. soldiers / 1 insurgent per 22.5 million shells / civilian deaths in Iraq > 125,000



while these statistics are not especially accurate they do show what's really going on in Iraq - GENOSIDE



Just as sending in the troops into New Orleans to finish off what the storm didn't eliminate is..

Because of lack of effective media reach the public remains blissfully unaware of this - I have a friend who relies on network TV "news" coverage and as soon as I brought up New Orleans the very first thing he said was "those people were warned to get out and they didn't" thus revealing the true extent of the media lies spoon fed to the public -

it's the victim's fault and the levee funding thieves, government and bush are blameless

nevermind the bridge being blocked, the buses that never showed or the people locked down in the convention center for days without food or water

it's the victim's fault.. foraging for food becomes "looting", troops sent in to kill survivers becomes "assistance"...

and the public accepts this because mass media lies to them and they believe it

Fig leaf

by Sheepdog Wednesday, Sep. 28, 2005 at 4:29 PM

The real military muscle is always brought out when the citizendry become a problem. We just refer to them as the National Guard which can and has been brought out whenever the governor or prez wants too. But soon these distinctions will be totally blurred as they are now beginning to when the civilian police begin to look and are trained like Delta Force death squads.
It's not that just the formal military is able to be used againts our people but it's also that the differences between military and civilian policing fade and we are left with a sector of society, armed and without effective public oversight, that serves the purposes of the enemy.

Crossing the Deleware

by Sheepdog Wednesday, Sep. 28, 2005 at 8:07 PM

The armies of Rome were forbidden to enter the gates of the capital for a very good reason.
No matter the reason or the leader.


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