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by 1Planet1People
Tuesday, Aug. 02, 2005 at 6:50 AM
It seems that SOS now knows that their Nazi ties have been exposed, and they do not like that the people of this country do not agree with the racist position.
In an attempt to save face, Joe has decided to take a vigilante role to try to assert damage control. Because he has not done his homework, he will be giving the good people an opportunity to further push SOS out of existence. Below are the tactics that they will be using. Further, they are identifying the police department as enemies and will not be following directions or orders from them any longer.
QUOTES FROM JOE START ------------------------------ (http://www.saveourstate.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=3928&st=0entry35744)
1. I will refuse to contact or respond to or work with any police department that has been openly antagonistic to our organization. Police Departments will no longer be given the benefit of the doubt and Save Our State will be less likely to make concessions.
2. We will implement a pre-rally gathering system so that we can enter our rally in unison with the bulk of our members, instead of straggling in.
3. The members of our organization will be self cordoning off our members from White Supremacists and the anarchists/socialists/mechistas, etc. I mean, we will literally have able bodied men standing post at each side and we will tape our boundary off.
4. Any attempt by a member of the opposition to enter or get within spitting distance of our self-designated area, will be physically repelled with the requisite force. The police departments in question have abrogated their duties to protect citizens and to ensure their first amendment rights. In light of their voluntary abrogation, the members of Save Our State will hereby exercise our rights as free Americans and defend ourselves.
5. Any attempt to encroach upon our position by the opposition will be viewed as an attempt to incite a riot/violence and an attempt to assault and inflict bodily harm.
6. Irresponsible and antagonistic actions by police departments will be met with civil litigation. ------------------------------ It [public sidewalks] will be Save Our State property for 2 or 3 hours as far as I am concerned. Their attempts to enter our area will be considered hostile and they will be physically repelled. ------------------------------ Of course, this is just a plan. It must be reinforced at our events and that means that our members are going to have to realize that we are in effect forced to take up a much more aggressive posture. ------------------------------ END QUOTES FROM JOE
Because public sidewalks may not be blocked (pedestrian flow must be maintained), and these perimeter lines require a large group, each of their protests will be illegal. As long as we simply walk along the sidewalk, they are asserting they will assault people, and we can have each of them arrested. If they spread out, their now exposed nazi comrades will think that their old partnership is still acceptable, and will continue to show up. They are learning that once you make a deal with the devil, it is not easy to initiate a split. Once a racist organization, always a racist organization. We are winning.
6. Irresponsible and antagonistic actions by police departments will be met with civil litigation.
Because public sidewalks may not be blocked, and these pirminter lines require a large group, each of their protests will be illegal. As long as we simply walk along the sidewalk, they are asserting they will assult people, and we can have each of them arrested. Their tacitics are illegal and will quickly work against them. We are winning.
by 1Planet1People
Tuesday, Aug. 02, 2005 at 6:52 AM
okay, pretend that the end where there is a #6. and more is not there, something happened during my cut and paste spell check. Sorry
by Hex
Tuesday, Aug. 02, 2005 at 7:22 AM
I read the earlyer thread about this and you can see where this is leading - they will start assaulting people thinking they "own" a public throughway without the police's support, then the police will start arresting them for assault and battery..
Depending on how much they stand up for themselves, up to the majority of them will end up in jail - maybe even with resisting arrest or assault/battery on an officer for some of them..
Personally I think it's just a lot of hot air and they're WIMPS but we can always hope for the best and see what happens !
by 1Planet1People
Tuesday, Aug. 02, 2005 at 8:38 AM
We need to get people ready to be assaulted, with cameras on them. These people have to be non-violent and willing to not defend themselves. They simply walk the sidewalk. If they obstruct the sidewalk, they get ticketed, and if they continue to obstruct, arrested. Then if they attack people, the police have to arrest, and/or we can file civil suits. If we have the camera on, it is an open and shut case. These morons are still wet behind the ears.
by Johnny
Tuesday, Aug. 02, 2005 at 8:46 AM
SOS is going to start making their own rules and enforcing them on the streets, kind of like the "rogue" minutemen that shot the 2 migrants near the border wall.
Aren’t the MM "rogue" by definition?
These people are nuts!! You can't just shut down a public sidewalk with your own thug security!!
I am positive that this communiqué from Turner to his minions has been forwarded to the police and surely this won't make them any cop friends in the future. I'm also sure the PD in every town SOS plans to go to will eagerly await their "rogue" appearance.
These are tactics of an organization that is sinking fast. Loaded up with Nazis and taking on water the SS-SOS and their rat members have begun biting each other and now they’ve decided to start making their own rules like the fascists they really are.
I wonder how all this fits with Turner’s plans to run for political office in the future.
by Hex
Tuesday, Aug. 02, 2005 at 9:30 AM
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here's the latest traffic hit graph just going into August ^
by
Tuesday, Aug. 02, 2005 at 11:58 PM
it a bit dated, but it good to read. Check Out the link!
www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=93
by Fredric L. Rice
Wednesday, Aug. 03, 2005 at 1:08 AM
frice@skeptictank.org
The ideology of opposing civilized society, the rule of law, and the rules of polite society was already evident in the SOSMM's comments about being required to read and agree to civilized behavior in Baldwin Park.
We're seeing the sugar coating getting rubbed off and the core ideologies of a handfull of people exposed.
www.thedarkwind.org/
by mike almeida
Wednesday, Aug. 03, 2005 at 9:14 AM
overherebuddy@yahoo.com
haha. loaded up with nazis. does that include the non-white and jewish members of SOS?
"It seems that SOS now knows that their Nazi ties have been exposed, and they do not like that the people of this country do not agree with the racist position."
-nazi ties? hahaha. like the u.s. communist parties ties to stalin, or the CAIR's ties to terrorists or the democrat party's ties to the KKK? pleeease. have you guys gotten tired of yelling insults and false remarks that you have resorted to fruitless accusations of gulit-by-association online?
also, what racist position does SOS hold? i'd love to hear that one. but give me something that at least holds water, not something that involves flags.
"In an attempt to save face, Joe has decided to take a vigilante role to try to assert damage control."
-vigilante role? yea, because pro-open border protestors have full respect for law and have followed it at every event, haha. i'm curious if protestors surrounding cars and banging on them constitutes vigilantism, or a peaceful protest? hahaha.
"Because he has not done his homework, he will be giving the good people an opportunity to further push SOS out of existence. Below are the tactics that they will be using. Further, they are identifying the police department as enemies and will not be following directions or orders from them any longer."
-Nice distortion there. I believe the jist of what he said was those policemen that try to antagonize members of SOS will not be cooperated with. i think the ultraleftist groups have a similar philosophy, so i don't see what strikes you as uphauling. Sorry, but SOS is not going away anytime soon.
by mike almeida
Wednesday, Aug. 03, 2005 at 9:30 AM
overherebuddy@yahoo.com
dear johnny,
"SOS is going to start making their own rules and enforcing them on the streets, kind of like the "rogue" minutemen that shot the 2 migrants near the border wall."
-actually, the minutemen didn't shoot anyone. if they did, it'd be all over the news, considering how much the media has had a microscope on them.
"Aren’t the MM "rogue" by definition?"
-what definition, "Racist Vigilante"?
"These people are nuts!! You can't just shut down a public sidewalk with your own thug security!!"
-who said anything about a sidewalk?
"I am positive that this communiqué from Turner to his minions has been forwarded to the police and surely this won't make them any cop friends in the future."
we're so nuts, we disagree with certain cops....OMG!
"I'm also sure the PD in every town SOS plans to go to will eagerly await their "rogue" appearance."
-actually, most of them are worried about anyone who promotes confrontation and then acts upon it, regardless of membership.
"These are tactics of an organization that is sinking fast."
-uhh...because their choosing to disassociate from neo-nazis?
Loaded up with Nazis and taking on water the SS-SOS and their rat members have begun biting each other and now they’ve decided to start making their own rules like the fascists they really are.
HAHAHA. are "fascists" PRO-LAW?
"I wonder how all this fits with Turner’s plans to run for political office in the future."
i hope he DOES run for office.
-Michael Almeida SOS member
by Johnny
Wednesday, Aug. 03, 2005 at 10:01 AM
Mike,
Your responses are amusing and almost do not deserve a response since you really didn’t take issue or present an argument to offset anything I said. All you did was restate everything I said from the perspective of SOS.
However, I will respond for the sake of entertainment.
-who said anything about a sidewalk?
Mike, every SOS protest I've ever seen has been on a sidewalk. Am I missing something? Are you guys going to levitate?
-What definition…
Ahh, this one: **Rogue: Operating outside normal or desirable controls.**
-HAHAHA. are "fascists" PRO-LAW? Ahh, actually genius yes they are.. What made you say that? Hitler did everything within the law. A fascist regime ruled Spain for 30+ years and did everything legally. Fascists pass lot of laws. I’m just curious, what made you say that????
by Border Raven
Wednesday, Aug. 03, 2005 at 1:20 PM
BorderRaven@aol.com
No, the Minutemen operate under the Constitution of the United States of America, and the Bill of Rights.
Possibly some clauses of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (1848), are in effect.
Citizens have a duty to defend their country. Not all can step up to the task.
Nowhere in Federal or state law, is it illegal for citizens, to take the initiative and defend themselves, their family, their property, the lives and property of others, their city, state or country.
I may be mistaken, so I'll leave you to prove me wrong.
I fail to see how the MMP, can be called racist, bigots, KKK, Nazi, xenophobic, etc., for doing what they are doing, how they are doing it, and where they are doing it.
by mike almeida
Wednesday, Aug. 03, 2005 at 7:52 PM
overherebuddy@yahoo.com
"Your responses are amusing and almost do not deserve a response since you really didn’t take issue or present an argument to offset anything I said. All you did was restate everything I said from the perspective of SOS."
-ok, whatever helps you sleep at night.
"However, I will respond for the sake of entertainment."
-be my guest, chummmmp.
"Mike, every SOS protest I've ever seen has been on a sidewalk. Am I missing something? Are you guys going to levitate?"
-1. wrong. the sos protest of the laguna beach day labor center was on a big pile of dirt. or was that one of those "dirt" sidewalks? haha. i remember. i had numerous conversations with the anarchists/communists there, it was fun. they kept stumbling on their words whenever i'd prove them wrong during a debate. they also attempted to ignore me during some occasions when they didn't have a legit response.
2. again, when did he say anything about a sidewalk?
3. are protests only allowed on the sidewalk?
-What definition…
"Ahh, this one: **Rogue: Operating outside normal or desirable controls.**"
-hahaha. so now we're "rogues".
"Ahh, actually genius yes they are.. What made you say that? Hitler did everything within the law. A fascist regime ruled Spain for 30+ years and did everything legally. Fascists pass lot of laws. I’m just curious, what made you say that????"
-Ahhhhhhhh! haha, what is "Ahh"? anyways, i'm trying to understand your guy's sometimes circular and always confusing logic here. by definition, vigilantes are breaking the law. yet according to you guys, we are all vigilantes and rogues? i guess we're pro-law vigilante rogues, haha.
and what makes a country's laws fascist? mexico has their own immigration and border enforcement. so do just about every country in the world. we're not even really demanding new laws, just that current immigration and labor laws be enforced and not disregarded.
by Anti-Racist
Thursday, Aug. 04, 2005 at 5:34 AM
Are protests only allowed on sidewalks? Well, actually, no. You can hold them in parks, and on city property. But if you want the traffic to see you, there are two options, the sidewalks or the street. If you protest on the street, because of traffic concerns, you need to have a permit. That means you HAVE to work with the police.
Now if you decide to protest without a permit (and you usually do), technically, you have to remain on public property. Though several law enforcement agencies have violated this, technically, if you are on public property, and you are occupying as a group of public citizens (no permit), you cannot tell other people in the public that they can NOT use it. Because of that, you cannot use physical barriers to "block" people out. That is why everyone is scratching their heads saying, "are these guys REALLY that stupid?"
So, I normally don't throw bones to the dogs, but to save you the embracement, I will this time (in a way I think 1p1p was doing this in a round and about way, but you guys are really too clueless, so I will spell it out).
1. Do not try to use barriers and physically repeal people, it is illegal to do this on public property. The physical repealing of people (who do not actually strike you) is assult and battery, and if you are physically hit, you may only use "reasonable force" to defend yourself. If you are verbally threatened and you can escape and you choose to stay and fight instead, you are in a gray area of the law and can be arrested (though this is one of those fifty/fifty things that depends on what the cop wants to do).
2. Do not block the flow of traffic on public sidewalks; it is illegal.
3. If you want the police to separate you, and protect you, you need to obtain a permit in advance, this gives you the authority to use space for your people.
4. Don't get pissy with the police when it is you that is asking that they break the law. They cannot "give" you public domain unless you get permission from the public to use it in advance. GG was different, because it was private property and you have permission to use private property.
It won't stop counter demonstrators, but it does give the police the authority to protect your racist protests. Now that is the one and only bone I will throw you. The good thing is that when you apply for a permit, we have time to apply for a counter demonstration permit. (In case you didn't know, we had obtained our permits at BP1 & BP2, so the police were prepared and there. It was US that had followed the procedure).
by AyatollahGondola
Sunday, Sep. 11, 2005 at 5:30 PM
Your graph has not been updated and I was wondering if the trend towards sinking fast was still indicated. Or was the data incorrect to begin with?
by Gumby
Monday, Sep. 12, 2005 at 12:19 PM
Nice to see that IMC, that bastion of 'open debate' and 'free speech', has basically censored everything in this thread they disagree with.
Tow the party line or YOU WILL BE SILENCED!
THE TOTALITARIAN LEFT, HARD AT WORK.
by AyatollahGondola
Monday, Sep. 12, 2005 at 3:19 PM
Interesting it is. You might call it a line item veto?
by Sheepdog
Monday, Sep. 12, 2005 at 5:38 PM
More like... disapproval.
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