they're too pessimist.

you can tell people who are NIHILIST.

i wannai wanna i wanna, do you wanna be? the only people who sham you for wanting tobe something are usually envious and don't want anythng new to happen. practically NO ONE gets to be anything without wanting to be it first.and i hear a rumor that some people want to be independent media people.

the first thing to do is blow off the 'geeks' -- they are like anathema to really getting valuable POSITIVE things done. the whole thing with adopting geek as a badge of honor is stupid and antiColl -- as canbe seen in the blah, boring unifromity of almost every indymedia dot org site.

you, uh, KNOW that indymedia.org is not the only place in the world, not to mention cyberspace, where independent voices share their media...

you knew that right?

all these websites reflect the proud geek mentality -- technically proficient and utterly lacking in dynamism and pizzazz. geeks are lamerz. geeks suck their self hate shows in self sabtage. geeks make pirate radio stations and advertise the LOCATION like the proud socialist geeks of PHilly IMC radipo mutiny -- they bragged abouthe location of their equipment inflyers -- the fucking address -- and when the FCC came and took it away they WHINED like babies cae they didnt really care.

like mumia abu jamal, h;s sort of famous in some way?

i know that all the time they were on teh air they could have been talking about mmia's real situation and making a differecence. but socialiss don;t care. they don;'t. they lie and say that they care.

geeks are failrue and impotence addicts 00and that iswhay they are caled geeks. geeks go to the anticapitalist convention on s[ptember 27 2001 shortly after the WTC diabolical debacle and get their shit impounded on purpose in seking confrontatin with cops.

like a bunch of winded gees who can barely fuught each other are goinna confron t with WASHINGTON DC FUZZ and do anything but get hurt andtheir shit impounded?

they are geeks, they aren;tcool. the best way to make indymedia real and cool and effective -like real anarchists - ist to cut loose the commies andthe geeks, cause geeks live to fail and complain about it and commies LOVE government., here;s the new boss, same as the old boss? they were talking about the permanent revolutio idea that socialism is noting without. it will never make you free. that is notthe point of socialism.

ultimate socialism is the whole world one whole labor camp. but don't trust me. trust georgeorwell who went to their meetings until he couldn;'t take anymore. he wrote 194 and animal farm to describe the sort of workd pinko geeks for socilism want tocreate. and that is the fucking truth. it;s to hardcore for geek socialists because they aren;'t realpunks. the word posueur wsINVENTED almost to describe what they are=-- people whopose as anarchists while actuallu despising free will and peole who exercisie it -- peopel who judge non connformists and the spontaneous - -true anarchists --as being 'selfish' and 'out of control'



like geeks, struggling so hard to look legit that it just becomes boring and uncool - -like geeks.

it's not cool.

that was spin to sell shit.

it will never be cool.

say geek chic a million times -- it's like screaming 'smash the state' and pretending that will make it happen.

and you know who agrees with me?

the MILLIONS of actually cool people who are also smart and want info. they almost never log on here because indymedia dotorg has ben like no frils - boringm, generic, the same and barelynourishing -- for too long. poeople are over it.

they wilgo on not taking this sort of stuff that seriously.



maybe they don't want to be socialists, huh? (how dare they.)

and about that - the whole 'collective' thing is pretty obviously going from subtle to overt in terms of beng propaganda.

some people are even proud of that.well let them be. meanwhile - for antyone with a clue or the lights on and someone athome -- propaanda is not and will never be news.

propaganda is biased information meant to influence and create an opinion. it's the opposite of news in a way -- when so caled left wingers tell biased versions of the story and corporate media tells stories biased in the OTHER directions - invariably itis not news but propaganda. and fuck getting a medalor a monument for this shit - this is just the vbare naked fact that not all anarchists - despite the wel told lies of the must cunning totalitarian propaganda geeks of teh current day - are socialists.

isn't that just like totalitarians - -to saythat everybody thinks what they think and those whodon't aren't important and are probably full of shit anyway? the Bolsheviks did that to iunfamous and tyrranical effect in the U. S. S. R. and now they do it in teh United States and try tpass it off as anarchist punk. look real colsely- butthe point is independent media.

media means a lot of stuff whjich is what makes the propaganda outlet of these sites so blatantly bvious. and the facthat you know how many socialist geeks are proud to be working like fucking flies at a turd party on their geek "web pages". a lot of them are the srt of punks that hal satan as poseurs for cred at parties -- and when you combine collectivists and satanists -- i don;tknow what you get but you definitley get something thathas proven since 1999 its near ABSOLUTE IMPOTENCE in showing any real valid effective resistance to the"new World Order".

geeks, satanists anc colectivists? get a load of retards and take them to the zoo. if you give them laptps they might have as good achance ad pushing back the current tyrannical federal stystem an INCH! but these geeks? it's not just because the current GOverrnment is powerful that there has been little success at pushing their belligerent power grabs back -- it's not simply because thegovernment is full of POWERFUL INTELLIGENT MEN LIKE GEORGE W. BUSH, A FUCKING ROCKET SCIENTIST SURPASSING ALBERT EINSTEIN IN NAIVE CHAM AND DID I MENTION HE WAS AFUCKING ROCKET SCIENTIST?

yeah, like...ggeeks are geeks. they are uncol and when people use the wrd geek as abadge of self description -- iit;s not cool or ne, its a fucking cry fr help from the utterly abased and self hating.

and such individuals illnever smash any state at all -- especially not the current combination of smooth talkiers and fucking liars and Phallocrats who currently hold office in the UNitedStates of America. socialist american geeks with their laptops and their addcitions will never do ANYTHING to really opose these international tycoons except maybe one day change and get real or get out of the fucking way.

IT'S NOT ANARCHY

you know why socialism isn't anarchy?

POL POT - ADOLF HITLER - FIDEL CASTRO - JOSEF STALIN - KIM JONG-IL and as many other Socialist warlords -- tyrants...dictators...strongmen...LEADERS who show that what has been called anarchosociaism -anarcho communism or even more whimsically anarchoi capitalism has all been a fucking lie - a lie told skilfuly by those who were sure it was real. few types f people are more fitto serve as decievers than those who have been utterly decieved -- as anyone who believes that socialism is a path to liberation, freedo mand peace has been. decieved, i tell you and i know. the race hatred and gender hatred of females aAND males that is held in check just under the surfece i DON'T need tobe a rocket scientist to see emulates perfectlythe achetypes of consciousness that were just like those people who followed Adolf Hiter in his mad (Socialist, hater-driven) quest for power in the forties. Adolf Hitler's socialism leaned heavily on PROPAGANDA -- then, as now.

But socialism is totalitarian that schemes and list gain world control and domination. did you ever figure out that a new World order (so new that it has said that on the back of the american one dollar bill (in LATIN; NOVUS ORDO SECULORUM -- complete with obscure temple - of - set symbolism) socialism is a totalitarian state building scheme. socialists might prtend that theyare againstthe one world order, but they and their set up have been planning for it since Lenin.

yyouought to know who lenin is if you are gonna try and squeeze real information out of this tightly knit collective because oiif it doesn't prop up socialism THEY DON'T WANT IT UP andthey sure ashel don't want to invite debate - which is why the indymedia pages generally are like a cycling news suckhoole that eeps filling upwith stories...notice how despite al the reporting nothing changes?

socialists...don;t want it tochange/

that is the political science and the objective histry/news of it. anyone HONEST without loyalty tosocialist aims can look up and confirm what has been said here. socialists want the world and they want it now. socialists have ALWAS been TOTALITARIAN. and they - f they stopped being totalitarinism it wouldn't be socialism anymore. they cal it a 'front'.

it's a 'front' that they put up - oh, yeah, we're anarchists...they imply -- means more warm bodies for The Kampf - the eventual creation of an international Reich that was -- despite the cluelessness of the decieved the goal of N. Lenin and the other original Bolshevists (who later changed their philosophical and political movement's name to Socialism so as to be more appealing to non-russian speakers - that worked well, to...) the sworn goal of Bolshevism, Socialism, Communism (did you know you don't HAVE to be a fucking Commie to have a commune? living together and political philosophy - related but different), Collectivism and the other -isms that tgeher make up the general practise of international totalitarism.

why do socialists not talk much about totalitarian? it make stem look bad, totalitariansim gets people remebering the atrocities committed by Reds during mos of the 20th century.

atrocities....

siberian death camps. Pol Pot filling graves with the MILLIONS he slew to inspire fear- and alliegance. Auschwitz and the horrorsvisted on people of religion by famous religion hating Socialists in Germany, Poland and other socialist occupied nations during the Hitler War. (the coments on american concentration camps for jaanese americans and others will wait for another column.)

atrocities committed for a One World Order, atrocities committed for police states, Bosses and Chiefs of State and Commissars, Premiers and dictators and the eventual control of the world - -and the vehicle? SOCIALISM. so the idea is that he word "poseur" actally came into punk parlance to describe exactly the sort of people who are the majority of indymedia employees today - socialists who could have given a fuck about freedom -- spontaneity, doing what one chose to do instead of what one had to do -- you know, socialists.

people think about nazis and cartoon hitlers come to mind colonmel klink from hogans heroes - men wearing black and brandishing swastikas in red and black - looking obvious.

so that because of this MEDIA conditioning -- the idea of racist extremely racist -- socialists - gets right by people who are looking for dolph lundgren to jump out of the Bushes saying "guten tag," --

so much so that they then deny when the truth if Goerge W. BUs's inancial support of German National SOCIALISTS during that war against Hitler's allies --

and when racist socialists are busy pretending to be anti warwhen they couldn;'t really give a fuck hey deny that too.

wake yup. what's going on? subterfuge. decetion. liars saying all is blisswhile those subjugated by their lies are being murdered. as we SPEAK peopleare being KILLED somewhere to make the world better for socialist causes. KILLED.

youhave to wake up and see because socialists WANT THE ONE WORLD ORDER. that is totalitarianism and they wil go on accusing myself and other muck rakers of fomenting conspiracy. but i and many others will go on raking all the muck they can.

hey good luck with the indymedia dream. i hope it becomes real one day - as in as effective at affecting the world as the CNN/NBC and related media. right now they are kicking your ass so hard its; pathetic -- i know because if indymedia was a bucnh of sincere peole with knowledgeability and savvy they would have made a difference. it;s been FIVE YEARS and what has this crappy little dot-org done besides get baned form mention on CNN? that makes a DIFFERENCE?

this is a socialist recruitment and propaganda page run by collectivists who walk in the philosophical footsteps of stalin and the only way that will change is if they stop being socialist. you cant take hitler and stalin out of socialism. they are there.

that's the news, and i am out of here.

The true sign of an intellect. Sounds like the ranting of some reactionary moron whose user name has been bannished from the IMC so he uses "doctor_bones" or whatever.

It's really simple:

Stalin = overhyped totalitarian dictator

Pol Pot = the same, but whose atrocities were relatively ignored by the U.S. in favor of good heroine deals

Hitler = pseudo-socialist who was actually a fascist supported by the likes of capitalists like Henry Ford and Prescott Bush--fascism is the merging of state and corporate power as Mussolini explain (like the fascis, two sticks crossing together)

To these we should add:

- Saddam Hussein: another pseudo-socialist dictator supported by the U.S. who gave him chemical weapons and what-not, worked for U.S. until he tried to nationalize his oil and screwed with our other petrol interests in the region; so then we had to backstab him like Noriega,

-Ronald Reagan not necessarily a dictator of the U.S, but as a capitalist, he dictated the murder of thousands in Central America under the pretense of a bogus cold war

-Bush I: ditto

-Pinochet: another U.S.-sponsored dick who murdered

thousands in his home country with our blessing

-the Saudi Royal Family: runs our favorite gaspump

like a dictatorship with legalized public beheadings

-the Chinese govt. - our so-called "communist" allies

in the East whose dictatorship and violations of human rights rival other murderers, but they're great

capitalists when it comes to trade

Oh, don't let me forget:

- Israel and whoever is running it at the moment, ie.

Mr. Massacre, aka Sharon - murdered hundred of

Arabic peoples in Lebanon back in the day and has

overseen the slaughter of Palestinians these days, now seems to have grown some balls in reigning

in the zionist nazis in the gaza strip.

- that dude that runs Egypt - what's that fool's name-

sufficiently suppresses his own country and provides

a good pitstop for any rendering (i.e. torture) that we

may need.

Need I go on...

Peace

It was probably Fresca on a bad acid trip - or in a cheetos crisis after mom forgot to pick up some at Von's.