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by Anonymous
Friday, Aug. 20, 2004 at 12:46 AM
Stalking groups: see also http://la.indymedia.org/en/newswire/2004/05/803105.shtml
Book Review: Terrorist Stalking in America by David Lawson, reviewer Eleanor White This page updated April 26, 2004 Copyright 2001 Published by Scrambling News 915 N.W. First Avenue - Suite 2903 Miami, FL 33136-3541 USA ISBN 0-9703092-0-1 73 pages, indexed
Purchase source:
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** FOUR STARS ** This book is an INCREDIBLE resource for victims of multiple stalking and group harassment. The author accomplished what multiple stalking victims only DREAM about - he penetrated street level perpetrator groups. Although this book does not indicate David Lawson is aware of the full spectrum of advanced electronics some of these groups have and use, this book is likely to be very helpful for victims who are forced to deal with skeptical family, friends, co-workers, and local authorities. It is definitely a breakthrough in the cause of exposing and stopping these criminal gangs who operate freely, while law enforcement only gives their lowest ranking street level members a slap on the wrist now and then (while they deny such crimes happen to victims who complain.) If a multiple stalking victim can comfortably afford the book, I'd give it a definite "buy" recommendation. It will certainly open at least some of the minds of people we multiple stalking victims are forced to deal with.
** One book in the bibliography, "Harvest of Rage" by Joel Dyer, is a totally WRONG viewpoint of the current-day U.S. Patriot Movement. See my notes below the biography.
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Concepts Table (Relevant Points) (Scroll down for book's table of contents)
Note: This "Concepts Table" is to speed up access to those points of special relevance to multiple stalking victims. This table doesn't appear in the book itself.
Note: "Perp" is short for perpetrator of the stalking crimes.
Police aware of these groups .................................. VI "Cause stalking" .............................................. VI Author mistaken - not ALL "Patriot" groups .................... -- Tactics used by "cause stalkers" .............................. VII Cause stalkers always there ................................... VII Author's favorite quotes from perps he "rode" with ............ 15 Personality types of the perpetrators ......................... 16 Firemen can be perps .......................................... 16 Tearing up road is one recruitment goal ....................... 17 Perp LEADERS have shadowy backgrounds ......................... 17 Stalker groups' financial sources ............................. 20 Perps surround apartment of target ............................ 26 Adjacent apt - steady stream of people day and night .......... 27 "Who are we", perps' own statement about themselves ........... 27 The "cause" isn't the most important thing to group members ... -- Victims don't always recognize harassment as such ............. 32 Isolating victim is the goal .................................. 32 Surrounding victim on the road ................................ 32 The on foot harassment methods ................................ 33 Ah, the trusty old "noise campaign" trick! .................... 34 Neighbors' synchronized leaving/arriving ...................... 34 Horns/sirens synced to toilet use ............................. 34 Synchronized movement, apts above or below .................... 35 Interference with personal and business relationships ......... 35 Leaders' claims of national security affiliation .............. 37 Stalker groups blame TARGET for their shortcomings ............ 49 Character assassination ....................................... 51 Stalking leaders say targets should be killed ................. 54 Gross disinformation in book "Harvest of Rage" ................ --
Table of Contents
FOREWORD ...................................................... VI 1. Intro to Extremist Groups ................................ 10 2. Who Are These People? .................................... 16 3. Selection of Targets ..................................... 19 3. Group Structure .......................................... 22 5. The Surveillance Operation ............................... 25 6. Search and Seizure ....................................... 28 7. Overt or Covert Operation ................................ 32 8. Let's Pretend ............................................ 37 8. Influence Techniques ..................................... 40 9. Self Defense ............................................. 48 11. Conclusion ............................................... 53
Note: Chapter numbering errors are actually found in the book. This book is far to valuable to be concerned with that.
Appendix A - DOJ article on stalking .......................... 57 Bibliography .................................................. 67 References .................................................... 73 Back to Top of Table of Contents
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Eleanor White talking:
This book places the blame for much group stalking in the United States on what the author calls "extremist groups". We who are in the current day electronic harassment target community have, from time to time, seen evidence that local "extremist groups", who appear to be normal, "upright" model citizens, are responsible for at least some of our torture. One page with some very interesting revelations by one of our members who is an accomplished remote viewer is here:
http://www.multistalkervictims.org/stalkergroups.htm
This author describes local extremist groups who go to considerable lengths to actually masquerade as public officials. We electronic harassment targets also report bizarre and sometimes unethical and illegal behaviour on the part of genuine public officials too, so this book should be viewed as supplementary information, and not the "entire story" behind current day electronic harassment.
Let me say here that this author, basing his opinion on a misleading document by the Southern Poverty Law Center, alleges "Patriots" are one of the extremist groups which participate in stalking and harassment. The actual criminal groups frequently DO appeal to potential helpers' "patriotism" to obtain help in carrying out their harassment. But the SPLC report MISTAKENLY IMPLIES that EVERYONE who adopts the "Patriot" label is involved in these odious crimes.
I listen daily to broadcasts by the group calling themselves the U.S. Patriot Movement, and which you, visitor can access via the WEB, shortwave, and some AM-FM stations from this listening guide:
http://www.multistalkervictims.org/shortwave.htm
The Patriot Movement which broadcasts on those stations aggressively works to expose and stop all such well covered up crimes. It is clear the Southern Policy Law Center people who refer to Patriot Movement shortwave broadcasters as terrorist stalkers has NEVER actually listened to the broadcasts!
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Before we get started, author David Lawson did interview perpetrators, ("perps"), targetted people ("targets"), and the POLICE. Here is what the author heard from the police he interviewed:
"I also spoke with police officers from across the country. They confirmed the existence of stalking groups across the country. In general, they said that 'cause stalking' is primarily a civil problem where the plaintiff has to prove financial loss. They also said that there are free speech and grass roots issues involved. In fact, the police themselves are targets of these groups. In small towns, the number of members in these groups can easily exceed the number of police officers. In general, the police will NOT talk about stalking groups. One officer did say there is a storm brewing as groups become larger and more numerous." Author Lawson explains here how he got involved and began to interact with the 'cause stalking' perpetrators:
"One day, several years ago, I was sitting in my house, and checking out the activity on my scanner. I heard a woman say that she was following a certain vehicle. She gave the location, the make and model of the car and the license plate number. A few days later, I heard the same woman on the same frequency say that she needed a bit of help at a certain location and a few days after that I again heard her broadcasting the position and details about another vehicle she was following. I listened to other people talking on that frequency and they didn't give any indication that they were with any government agency but they were talking about ARRESTING PEOPLE. "On another occasion, on the same business band frequency, I heard someone complain that an African American man was crossing the street. "All we could get him for is jaywalking" responded the leader.
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"People in the group would discuss where they would go for supper, after their shift was over, so I [the author] went too. I listened to a group of people openly discussing various activities as if they were the police.
"Real police officers were also sitting in the restaurant, listening to them. I later learned that their presence was not a coincidence.
"One man who had supper with the group drove a van marked with the call letters of a local AM radio station. I started listening to it. Most of the guests were people who said they had new revelations about Waco or Ruby Ridge, or had some inside story about government corruption. I also heard advertisements for the meetings of a local political group and I attended some.
"At the first meeting I attended, one young man flashed a phony police badge at me. No one paid any attention. Some of those in attendance were the people I had seen in the local restaurant. This was my introduction to the creepy world of extremists."
David Lawson goes on to explain that he has observed extremist groups for several years while living in New York State, Florida, and Canada. Back to Top of Table of Contents
He monitored their public communications, attended meetings, rode with them. The author defines the basic reason for being for these group stalking gangs as CAUSE STALKING. Cause stalking means the group is assembled, under a leader with a "shadowy past", for some specific cause. But what actually happens is that these gangs seem to be:
"... groups of individuals who appear to be borderline retarded, mentally ill, or deluded into thinking that they are secret agents." And ... "Cause stalking has been used by extremist groups since the early 1990s. The basic system is alleged to have been developed by the Ku Klux Klan and refined through years of use.
Easy to recruit, right? More than that, "Group members are taught that THE TARGET IS THE REASON FOR THEIR PROBLEMS. He is the reason why their lives are a failure." Back to Top of Table of Contents More details about the typical cause stalking recruit:
"Recruits tend to be blue collar workers who are at the bottom end of the job scale. They are janitors in apartments, hotels, etc., who have keys to get in any locked doors. They are security guards, who can let fellow members into places where they would not normally be allowed to go. They are city workers, who can, in many cities, follow a target around all day in their vehicles or have a noisy project underway near his [target's] residence. They are taxi drivers, who are always on the road. They are cable, telephone and electric company employees who can interfere with a target's service and spend time on patrol with the group, while they are on the job. Those are the author's words. Here are a few quotes from the perpetrators themselves: "We are like the police except we are ABOVE the police." "We are a citizen's group that helps the police. We are trying to alert people in the area about this person [the target] before he gets to do what he did in the last place he lived." [Eleanor White talking: All the cause stalking targets I know did not commit ANY offenses. The stalkers are filled with LIES by their leaders.]
"When I get the call, I go to whatever the address is. It doesn't matter what they [targets] do, they can never get away from us."
"Who are we? We drive the ambulances that take you to the emergency room. When your house is burning, we put out the fire. We are security guards. We protect you at night. YOU ONLY HAVE ELECTRICITY, PHONE AND CABLE SERVICE BECAUSE OF US. We are janitors. We have the keys. We fix your cars. YOU DON'T WANT TO MESS WITH US."
Back to Top of Table of Contents The author concludes, as explained at a number of places in the book, that the "cause" the typical group is "working toward" is mainly an excuse to get the groups together. The main motivation of members who stay with these groups is the sense of power and belonging the group members derive. Having a "cause" enhances the feelings of power and righteousness, but group members, according to the author, are most concerned with how their fellow group stalkers feel about their "work" and accept them.
These groups come into being and are run by leaders. Here is what the author says about them:
"Most of these leaders HAVE BACKGROUNDS WHICH ARE NOT KNOWN TO THEIR SUPPORTERS. They are from 'somewhere else' and there isn't much information available about them from independent sources. This provides a basis for the 'larger than life' stature they assume in these groups. Many claim to have connections to the C.I.A. or other intelligence agencies which do not reveal the identities of their employees or ex-employees." How about financing these groups? Although the author states that the pay is low, there are still very large expenses to harass people as thoroughly as targets report. Here is an example of what I mean by "large expenses": "Groups are WELL FINANCED. They can afford to RENT PROPERTY WHEREVER THE TARGET LIVES. If he drives across the country, he will be followed by supporters of similar groups in that area. If he travels by plane, group members will meet him wherever he lands. They may even accompany him on a plane if they know his travel plan, and there is a good chance that they do." Back to Top of Table of Contents Here is what the author learned about their financing:
"The operations of many extremist groups are actually financed by CORPORATIONS which use them to stalk their enemies or potential enemies. The groups are used as the PRIVATE ARMIES of those corporations. Some countries kill dissidents and in others they are jailed. In the United States, someone who is threatening to corporations or industries, like a whistleblower or activist, is likely to become the target of an extremist group." The author makes several statements that these criminal stalking gangs not only harass targets specified by their leaders, but also are FOR HIRE - a kind of "revenge service" for those wealthy enough to hire them. Next, let's look at some of the typical OPERATIONS these groups carry out:
"The primary characteristic of cause stalking is that it is done by LARGE GROUPS OF PEOPLE. A target will always be followed, but he is unlikely to see the same stalkers very often." ... "Many of these groups include hundreds of people."
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"Some authors refer to cause stalking as terrorist stalking. Groups do not just stalk individuals. They employ organized programs of harassment which include BREAK-INS, PROPERTY DAMAGE, ASSAULT AND OCCASIONALLY, EVEN DEATH. The CHILDREN of a target are a favorite."
"Firemen across the country, and even some police departments have a long history of supporting extremist groups. Fire trucks can sometimes be seen riding in extremist convoys, with their flashing lights turned on and their sirens screaming. They will also race to greet a convoy which is entering their town. The participation of firemen, city workers and utility company workers helps give group members an illusion of legitimacy and power."
"City employees can be used to harass a target in many ways including tearing up the road in front of a target's home. Employees of pest control businesses who have access to the keys for apartments and those who work for alarm and locksmith companies are also of interest." Back to Top of Table of Contents
"Groups also attack targets of convenience. These people are selected because they are convenient targets, and not for any other reason. These include loners who tend to be more vulnerable to their harassment tactics than those with family and friends around them. Targets of convenience are used for practice."
"Groups have contacts in the media which they use to disseminate information about their targets. IT IS NOT UNUSUAL TO SEE THE VEHICLES OF LOCAL TELEVISION STATIONS RIDING IN EXTREMIST CONVOYS."
"In order to establish bases of operation, they will ENLIST THE ASSISTANCE OF NEIGHBORS. In many areas, they can do this by intimidation. Those who do not co-operate can be targetted, which includes harassment of their families and damage to their homes and vehicles. "If they are dealing with individuals who do not know them, they can also appeal to their sense of patriotism and they can offer drugs, friendship, home repair, free taxi rides and what ever else they have to. In some cases they may even be able to get a key to the residence from a 'patriotic' landlord."
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"Surveillance is conducted 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. When a target leaves his residence they will alert the group, either by cell phone or by business band radio. Other members, who are patrolling the perimeter to watch for police and other vehicles driving in the area, will race to the location to begin pursuit. In small towns, where business band radio is widely used, these activities are a local sport among a small group. Anyone with a scanner can join in. Some targets have reported hearing an announcement on their scanners AS SOON AS THEY TURN THEIR LIGHTS ON IN THE MORNING."
"In a typical apartment setting, they will attempt to lease, sublet, or otherwise have access to apartments above, below, and on both sides of the target. They will also "guard" the vehicles of a target in the parking lot. If they have occupied apartments surrounding a target, typically normal noises like toilets flushing, doors closing, people talking, etc. will not be heard. The only noises that will be heard are in response to something the target does. If he flushes a toilet, he may hear a car horn honk, the sound of a power tool or hammering, for example. There will also be a large number of people coming and going, and accompanying rowdiness and noise." Back to Top of Table of Contents
"A common ruse used by these groups is that they are a 'citizens group' which assists the police and they are 'just keeping track of' a certain individual, for whatever reason. The illusion is reinforced by the case files they carry which are complete with photos of the target and look like those used by police."
"Typically, harassment tactics are not used unless a target is alone. If he is with others, group members will still surround him, but they will not reveal their presence. Many targets never experience the kind of harassment described here, because they are not alone very often.
Others do not recognize that they are being harassed by an organized group. They just think that there are a lot of rude people in the world. Targets who do not experience physical harassment are still targets for other types of attacks. Back to Top of Table of Contents
"Physical harassment is used when a target has no witnesses. An objective is to isolate the target from his family and friends. He can tell them about all the strange things happening around him, but they will not understand and perhaps will think he is crazy. Sometimes other members of the family will receive the same treatment."
"When a target is driving, standard practice is to surround his vehicle and attempt to control his speed. He will not be followed in close proximity by the same vehicles for a long distance. They do frequent trade-offs. Vehicles line up behind the target for a short distance and then move out of place so the next vehicle can take over. Frequently, vehicles in the convoy will have their high beam headlights on during the day, so a target frequently have a vehicle behind him which has its headlights on. "In many parts of the country it is common to see groups of six to 30 or more vehicles driving around in convoys with their high beams on during the day. This is one of the ways a convoy can be identified."
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"A target will be followed on foot wherever he goes. Anyone can go to the same public places he goes, and they will attempt to get into any other restricted places he goes, including hospitals, places of employment, etc. It has been said that it is possible to go nearly anywhere if you have a clipboard in your hand and it is almost true. They also like to wear name badges on a lanyard, and some carry phony police badges."
"Common harassment tactics used by those on foot include PEN CLICKING, in which they repeatedly click a ball point pen, key rattling, and rattling change in their pockets while standing behind the target. Many tactics are tried and the result is observed. Those which evoke a response from the target are repeated. When a target sits anywhere in public, group members will attempt to sit behind him in order to create noise, by whatever means, including tapping their feet on the target's chair. The objective is to harass the target constantly." Back to Top of Table of Contents
"Groups attempt to interfere with any business and personal relationships which the target has. Typically, this interference involves character assassination from some anonymous individual and is not usually taken seriously by those who know the target. It can be effective with people who don't know the target."
"At work, the target will also experience character assassination. If he works in any position where he has to deal with the public, there will be a steady stream of customers who complain about him. If he is a real estate agent, he will have a steady stream of prospects who OCCUPY HIS TIME but never make an offer."
"A common tactic use by groups is noise campaigns. Group members will drive by the target's residence or work place, honking their horns, squealing tires, and making whatever other noise they can." "They will also make noise from whatever NEARBY PROPERTIES they have access to. Typically, they will make noise WHEN THE TARGET GOES OUTSIDE. [Eleanor White talking: OR, when the target opens a window, and I mean timed to the millisecond! Open, close, perfect sync!] Group members will also frequently knock on his door for whatever peculiar reasons they can dream up."
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"In an apartment setting, targets can expect to hear tapping on the walls in the middle of the night, taps running, hammering etc. from the upper and/or lower apartments, and possibly the apartments on both sides. They will continue to 'work' on these activities for as long as they can get away with them."
"Other vehicle related tactics include blockade, so the target vehicle cannot leave a parking lot, for example, or he is surrounded by slow moving vehicles. "Standard practice is to watch the target's vehicles and this subjects them to damage including slashed tires, scratched paint, stolen license plates, etc. Typically they would not cut the brake lines on vehicles or commit other similar acts of sabotage, but they WOULD drain the oil or antifreeze over a period of TIME. [Eleanor White: AMEN!]"
"... It is not uncommon, in an apartment setting, for a target to hear someone moving from room to room as he does, from the upper or lower apartment. [Eleanor White talking: This requires commercial through wall radar or more advanced technology in many cases.] Back to Top of Table of Contents
Often they occupy a nearby apartment, part time, when the owner is not there and he receives some benefit. A target may notice someone leaving a nearby apartment when he leaves his, and arrive when he arrives. [Eleanor White talking: All the time, in my experience.] In addition, he will often be accompanied in elevators by a steady stream of different individuals who go to the apartments being used by the group.
Back to Top of Table of Contents Now that is a HUGE "laundry list" of operations carried out against the targets of these criminal cause stalking groups. But reader, this particular book is ALL MEAT, and there is MUCH, MUCH more within its covers. If the general public is made aware of this book, these brutal crimes, which have resulted in suicides, just might have a chance of being exposed and stopped.
Currently, the typical justice system response is to label the victim as mentally ill and wash their hands of the problem. This is itself a criminal act, and a violation of all the job descriptions and oaths these public officials have accepted and made. They are NOT doing their jobs!
What about the future, then? Let me close this review with a chilling quote from the book reporting what the author learned from some of the leaders:
"The leaders ... are starting to balk at exposing their members to arrest for activities which amount to little gain for the movement. THEY SAY THAT ANYONE WHO IS A TARGET SHOULD BE KILLED, and not just harassed for years." YOU, Joe and Jane Citizen, have the power to stop this by doing nothing more than asking your public officials how they plan to deal with this growing crime. Will you help us? Eleanor White
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Bibliography [p 73] Robert L. Snow, "Stopping a Stalker", Plenum Press, 1998
Robert J. Lifton, "Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism", University of North Carolina
Frank J. Donner, "Protectors of Privilege", University of California Press, 1990
Frank J. Donner, "The Age of Surveillance", Alfred A. Knopf Inc., 1980
Joel Dyer, "Harvest of Rage", Westview Press, 1998 [E.W. Thumbs down!]
* See also Eleanor White's REVIEW of Harvest of Rage
Eleanor White talking: The above book, "Harvest of Rage", is an attempt to paint ALL members of the U.S. Patriot Movement as extremists, criminals, religious fanatics, and mentally ill. At the time of writing this review, I have listened to their shortwave, web, and AM/FM broadcasts for two years. If Mr. Dyer has ever listened to those broadcasts, then I have to conclude he is deliberately trying to discredit this movement for motives unknown. My guess is Mr. Dyer has not.
I have heard an endless stream of documented information, often from wire services before getting edited by retail media outlets, and government publications, which shows conclusively that the U.S. Patriot Movement broadcasters are on the right track and speak out often against anti government violence. The goal of the U.S. Patriot broadcasters is non-violent change, brought about by PUBLIC EDUCATION. Anyone who takes the time to LISTEN to their broadcasts will find the same. It is easy to listen to them by way of this listening guide:
http://www.multistalkervictims.org/shortwave.htm
I'm afraid the author of Terrorist Stalking in America, David Lawson, has not taken the time to listen to these broadcasts either, and so has a not fully informed opinion about the Patriots.
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References [p 73]
1. FBI web site, http://www.fbi.gov 2. "The Rise and Decline of the Patriots", Southern Poverty Law Center Report, summer 2001, issue #102, http://www.splcenter.org/intelligenceproject/ip-index.html 3. Frank J. Donner, "Protectors of Privilege", University of California Press, 1990, 252 4. LCDR Steven Mack Presley, "The Rise of Domestic Terrorism and its Relation to United States Armed Forces", written in fulfillment of a requirement for the Marine Corps Command and Staff College, 26, http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/presley.htm 5. Robert L. Snow, "Stopping a Stalker", Plenum Press, 1998, 85 6. Robert L. Snow, "Stopping a Stalker", Plenum Press, 1998, 94 7. Wollersheim v. Church of Scientology 89-1367 and 89-1361 8. Robert Jay Lifton, "Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism", University of North Carolina Press, 1989, 419
by Anonymous
Friday, Aug. 20, 2004 at 12:47 AM
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2004/08/115326.php This site is way cool.....especially when you ignore Max the flamer.....
la.indymedia.org/news/2004/08/115326.php
by Duck Twacy
Friday, Aug. 27, 2004 at 12:25 AM
Gangs of LA June 15th, 2004
Weir thinking about it
A recent ABC News special report had me wondering what country I’m living in. When I heard the opening remarks: “Homicides have risen dramatically as street gangs continue to terrorize the public,” and “People are refusing to leave their homes for fear of attack by roving gangs,” I had to listen closely for the location referred to because I expected it to be a report from Iraq, Latin America, or Afghanistan.
Sadly, it is too often a domestic situation that rivals and even supersedes the criminal machinations of the aforementioned venues. Los Angeles Police Chief William Bratton is calling upon the federal government to help eradicate the growing problem of violence in the streets caused by a proliferation in gang activity that has increased the homicide rate by 350% in some areas.
“There is nothing more insidious than these gangs," said Bratton, a former NYC police commissioner. "They are worse than the Mafia. Show me a year in New York where the Mafia indiscriminately killed 300 people. You can't." Clive Jackson Jr., 14, a promising basketball player with no gang affiliations was shot dead as he tried to flee from his assailant, who, according to witnesses, was about the same age. The gunman used an automatic weapon to fire shots into the head of his victim. In the last 3 weeks, more than 20 people have been gunned down in South L.A.
A few months ago, a woman who decided to testify against one of the gang members in a homicide case was burned to death when a firebomb was thrown into her house in the middle of the night. We read about gangs known as The Crips, The Bloods, and the Mexican Mafia, all of whom are known to be involved in murder, drug importation and sale, as well as a plethora of other organized criminal activities, yet there seems to be no way to stop the malevolent cancer they impose on society.
Bratton wants the feds to use the RICO (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act) and the IRS to bring down gang leaders, saying: “That’s what got Al Capone.” Well, I hope the chief is right, but I don’t see the similarity between Capone and the Crips. Big Al, at the height of his criminal empire, had less than a thousand hoods working for him, and when somebody got killed it was usually another hood.
According to the FBI, membership in just one of these notorious L.A. groups, known as the 18th Street gang, is about 15,000, while the total gang membership is about 100,000. With a police force totaling about 10,000, it’s simple to draw the conclusion that we need to hire more cops. That often becomes the cry of police chiefs and mayors when the slaughter in the streets starts dominating the headlines.
NYC has about 40,000 cops, yet crime is on the rise. They have more cops than many countries have soldiers in their combined military forces. It’s not the number of police that matters, it’s how effective they’re allowed to be. The crime in NYC went down when cops knew that Mayor Giuliani was supportive of them. Perhaps L.A. Mayor Hahn intends to emulate his former East Coast counterpart. It’s easy to gain headlines by declaring a war on crime, but the people who are sent to fight that war must have the backing of the civilian authorities. Cops are people too, and if they know they’re going to jeopardize their jobs every time they go into battle, they are going to avoid it like the plague.
Most people have n unrealistic expectations of the police. They want them to look and behave like a bunch of boy scouts, and pacifists, but at the same time expect them to be tough enough to handle the grimiest, sleaziest, most violent prone Neanderthals that ever walked the Earth. While they’re chasing and/or rolling around the ground with some desperado that wouldn’t think twice about killing them, the cops have to be extra careful not to offend anyone’s sensibilities, because they might end up on the evening news as a precursor to a courtroom in which they become the defendants.
I can hear the liberals screaming already: “The police must not use unnecessary force.” No kidding? The problem is that the cop very often has less than a second to make a decision on what is “necessary,” while his inquisitors will have weeks or months to determine the validity of his actions.
It’s interesting that those complaints always come from people who have never faced off against a desperate criminal who had no intention of being arrested again without a fight. When a cop risks his or her life to put that kind of savage in a cage, he or she has very possibly saved your life -- because tomorrow that savage would have been stalking you. Still, the public remains naïve about the war on crime because, in the words Jack Nicholson uttered in one of his movies: “You can’t handle the truth!”
Bob Weir is a columnist for The American Thinker. The author of 7 books, he is a retired NYPD sergeant, living in Flower Mound, Texas. BobWeir777@aol.com
Bob Weir
by Sheepdog
Friday, Aug. 27, 2004 at 12:45 AM
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call me a paranod - I bask in your wrath of many colors. :>) It's a common problem. Have you ever considered the high probability of 'encourragement' of these group that comes from our taxes, as the FBI was known to fund KKK groups in the south? Terror increases the GNP! . Thought Crime! . War is Peace
by Nor Cal Patriot
Thursday, Sep. 09, 2004 at 8:52 AM
I posted on another site you have. We have this crap up here too. Someone else posted "Mena" and "cocaine" and they are right.
That bunch is involved in this too.
We had a fireman busted for dealing coke near here.
Most of those guys are steroid addicted slobs who couldn't last five minutes as a cop.
In fact my buddy who is a patrol officer says some guys in his department have a 'war' going on with firemen over some stuff - there's a lot of bad blood.
I don't think legit FBI would EVER do this kind of shit but I could see ex- intelligence and former NSA and FBI types going bad, and doing this stuff. Anyone who would do this on government payroll and found out would be canned I'm sure...this is too "off the books". The guy with the Mena, AK post had it all right: do a google search and see what comes up....Bush...Kerry....Mena, AK airport, Asa Hutchinson.
Keep putting the pics up, man...
by ZERO7
Thursday, Sep. 09, 2004 at 8:58 AM
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THE GANGS ARE HERE , AND KNOWBODY CARES THEY HURT OTHERS MORE WAYS THEN ONE.....BUT THE FLIPSIDE IS IF YOU DONT CARE FOR A COMMUNITY THE COMMUNITY WILL REOVOLT IN THE END...
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