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President sez: "Eat More Beef!"

by vegetarian and proud Saturday, Jan. 03, 2004 at 6:36 PM

Mad Cow. Meat is Murder. Occupation Troops eat Burgers.

President sez: "...
eat_more_beef.jpg, image/jpeg, 425x225

Bush tells Americans to keep eating beef

Jan. 2nd, 2004. AP

FALFURRIAS, Texas -- U.S. President George W. Bush shot quail on a hunting trip yesterday but ate beef and encouraged Americans to do the same despite concern over mad cow disease.

"I think I shot five," Bush told reporters at Brooks County Airport after returning from the hunt with his father on a dusty and desolate stretch of land in southern Texas.

The president said Americans should feel comfortable eating beef while Agriculture Department officials try to prevent any mad cow outbreak in the wake of the discovery of an infected Holstein in Washington state.

fresca

by fresca Saturday, Jan. 03, 2004 at 6:39 PM

...for vegetarians.

But, then again, more ribeye for me.

Medium rare please.

Bush eats beef

by cattleman Saturday, Jan. 03, 2004 at 7:20 PM

Yeah, and it hasn't affected his brain, has it? Well, maybe I ought to re-phrase that. He's not as bad off as Ronnie Reagan yet - doesn't that prove that beef can't be all bad?

As if

by Touquer Saturday, Jan. 03, 2004 at 7:26 PM

As if that coke snorting jeck would eat anything from the common food stocks we have in the supermarkets; we know his food comes from privatly grown and butchered grain feed beef. Not like us.

explanation

by Meyer London Saturday, Jan. 03, 2004 at 8:19 PM

Well, there must be some explanation for his mental condition; maybe it is too much inbreeding among the ruling class. Or perhaps even uninfected beef kills brain cells.

The Ruling Class

by Touquer Saturday, Jan. 03, 2004 at 8:29 PM

Meyer, that was one fucking great movie with Peter O Tool

Keep eating that meat fresca

by we want you to get sick Saturday, Jan. 03, 2004 at 8:30 PM

Keep eating that meat fresca. We want you to get sick.

Oh and one more thing

by Wolf on Bread Saturday, Jan. 03, 2004 at 9:01 PM

The pathogens that cause The 100% fatal Mad Cow cannot be cooked out, irradiated or otherwise neutralized. Like the entity in Alien, they are tuff son of a bitches to kill.

Canabalism in cows, cheap and deadly but profitable.

a few inaccuracies

by Hex anon w/ encryption Sunday, Jan. 04, 2004 at 2:09 AM

a few inaccuracies...
flow_chart.gif, image/gif, 5400x1650

this flowchart proves AIDS is a man-made disease, look it over carefully



> The 100% fatal Mad Cow cannot be cooked out, irradiated or otherwise neutralized

Data I have shows "mad cow" is really a pesticide and toxic metal disorder - the protein explaination is a smoke screen

yes, I suspect as much about AIDS

by Wolf on bread Sunday, Jan. 04, 2004 at 2:26 AM

but this is about mad cow. Please produce some, hopfully smaller, data.

both are scams - that's the real issue

by Hex anon w/ encryption Sunday, Jan. 04, 2004 at 2:51 AM

The flowchart has to be that big because if it was

smaller you couldn't read it (the letters would be

blurred)

the original is a 4.3 mb TIFF, I was able to get it down

to a GIF 1/10'th that size and still retain the resolution



this flowchart is no longer available free either...

but the exact point is since mad cow is a scam it

renders both article and comments moot

the idea being truth is more important than

entertainment - at least on here

fresca

by fresca Sunday, Jan. 04, 2004 at 2:52 AM

"yes, I suspect as much about AIDS"

OF COURSE you do. Why even bother to type it?

explain it to us

by Hex anon w/ encryption Sunday, Jan. 04, 2004 at 3:04 AM

hey sugar water why don't you read the flowchart and

explain how AIDS was developed (the steps taken out

of the paths presented)

or are you not up to the task ?

Well just look at the 1970

by Wolf on bread Sunday, Jan. 04, 2004 at 4:00 AM

DOD approation bill that was for developing a biological weapon 'refractory to current method of control"?

fresca

by fresca Sunday, Jan. 04, 2004 at 4:05 AM

"or are you not up to the task ? "

Nope. Not up to it. even at max resolution, that image is way too big to be of any use.

In addition, what I can bear to scroll through seems to be simply a generic flowchart describing the process of determining the nature of a virus in general. No specific virus. And...it's from 1972...certainly long before anyone had published any investigations on HIV.

How about posting it a bit smaller. I don't want to save and reduce.

here's a link

by Wolf on bread Sunday, Jan. 04, 2004 at 4:09 AM

the actual bill;

Proof: Department of Defense Appropriations for 1970

H.B. 15090

oh hell here it is in PDF

by Wolf on bread Sunday, Jan. 04, 2004 at 4:11 AM

try this

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/aids.pdf

fresca

by fresca Sunday, Jan. 04, 2004 at 4:23 AM

What you're saying is that in 1970, this HOUSE subcommittee caim to the conclusion AND published it in plain English that the ARMY (It actually says.."the army") requisitioned the creation of the "AIDS" virus.

Is that actually what you're saying?

Even though the virus is HIV and not AIDS.

Even though AIDS , the disease caused by HIV hadn't even occurred in the US yet, certainly not to the point that it would lead to a Senate hearing.

By the way, since AIDS, the term, was coined in the early eighties, it's pretty amazing that this subcommittee was clairvoyant enough to release a one page document convieneiently naming the disease that which we all refer to it today.

Thanks for the link but this document is INCREDIBLY dubious. And that's being kind.

been there - done that

by Hex anon w/ encryption Sunday, Jan. 04, 2004 at 4:30 AM

been there - done th...
liarliar.jpgp9ctlt.jpg, image/jpeg, 640x608

reduce it then see if you can read it

the chart is huge and I've presented it in it's original

size to be sure you *can* read it and to show it's real

(you can see specks of dust and so on, can see it's a

scan of a real paper and can see the shaded areas

from the original printing)

if you reduce it's size the small letters will become

blurry and *then* you wouldn't be able to read it



but then again you obviously have no idea what you're

looking at or dealing with anyway..

didn't read did you?

by Wolf on bread Sunday, Jan. 04, 2004 at 4:31 AM

it never mentioned the word, AIDS. Ten years after the bill, we began to see a desease that wasted gay men and in Africa began a terrible holocaust. From the same epideiology that pointed to the WHO vaccination program of hepititis c.

fresca

by fresca Sunday, Jan. 04, 2004 at 4:49 AM

"it never mentioned the word, AIDS."

Actually, it specifically mentions AIDS.

First line of the second page.

I did read it.

It's either phony or was written by someone with knowledge of the future.

Hey, Hex is back!

by lkkjkyh Sunday, Jan. 04, 2004 at 2:20 PM

And the first thing he does is screw up the page margins.

Thanks a lot, Hex.

Hey, didn't you guys hear? HIV doesn't cause AIDS. It's all over IndyMedia.

Gotta get your stories straight, fellahs.

nonanarchist

AIDS, you mostly get what you deserve

by JJJJ Sunday, Jan. 04, 2004 at 3:59 PM

Ironic the cause and effect of many diseases.

As for the poor Africans if the wouldn't be so attracted to other species we would not have the problem on our hands, as for gay men, you also get what you deserve for puttin body parts where there not supposed to go. I dont want my tax dollars being spent on AIDS when thousands die from the Common Cold.

The only true victims of AIDS are the people who use our tainted blood banks, others who are infected due to lifestyle choices, deal with it.

pop

by . Sunday, Jan. 04, 2004 at 5:02 PM

By 1977 27,818 liters of oncogenic (cancer causing) virus material had been manufactured that year by Litton Bionetics under contract # (N01-CO-25423) initiated 1972. A portion of this complimented Merck Pharmaceutical experimental Hepatitis B vaccine batch 751 that was given to thousands of male homosexuals in Manhattan in 1978. It later complimented the “smallpox” vaccination given to over 93 million in Africa alone. (Previously sited part 1 The Times article May 11,1987 the front page of the London Times reported “smallpox vaccine triggers AIDS virus "WHO [the World Health Organization] murdered Africa".) This does not even touch the vaccinations in Haiti, Brazil and Southern Japan.

I was never "gone" - simplistic thinking fails

by Hex anon w/ encryption Sunday, Jan. 04, 2004 at 5:07 PM

I've simply been ghosting the whole time

HIV doesn't cause AIDS - that's true.

AIDS is immune system dysfunction caused by many

things, with pesticides, toxins and heavy metal toxicity being the main causes.

*Once the immune system is weakened* a person

can aquire the HIV virus which further damages thier

immune system in a downward spiral...

AIDS is a smokescreen to hide the fact that the

thousands of chemicals we allow into the enviroment

(approx 60,000 and counting) without safety testing

are slowly killing us and all life on earth.

I was going over it the other day - we've screwed up

EVERYTHING with pollution.

1.) the air. ozone layer, smog, greenhouse gasses,

man-made radiation (fallout)

2.) the water. pollution and depletion of fresh water

supplies, acid rain, dumping toxins in the ocean

3.) the land. pollution/landfills/run-off, soil loss,

groundwater pollution, radioactive wastes

the uranium problem is really bad - all the areas

shelled with uranium will remain radioactive forever



uranium is more toxic than lead not even considering

the radiation.

they've been using dirty depleted and non-depleted

uranium all along and lying about it. This is a very

important news story that should have front page

coverage at all times !

they've been practicing low-level nuclear aggression

using this radioactive waste. normally this waste

must be safely held in isolation at storage facilities

forever since it's half-life is billions of years

they found a way to get around that by using this

nuclear waste as weapons in other parts of the world

some of this goes into the atmosphere as dust and

gets dispersed all over the world raising the overall

background radiation level for everyone.

ANY increase in radiation directly reduces your life

expectancy - there's a direct relationship between the two.

this means shelling *anywhere* in the world with

nuclear waste is actually shelling everywhere

It turns out the american population is the single

biggest threat to the human race's survival (that was a

shocker !) and immigates are a large part of this

problem but due to totally different reasons than the

anti-immigration people think.

they are because *this country* is the biggest threat,

and everyone living in this counry either already born

here or immigrating here becomes part of this threat.



the fact that they are comming *here* makes it bad,

because the USA it'self is the problem (we consume

far too much energy and resources considering what

percent of the world population we consist of)

Our dependance on such dirty energy is what is

leading to the 3'rd world war which is now at our

doorstep thanks to the global elite and thier puppet

bush.

They plan on killing off as many of us as possible so

they can use up what's left of the earth's resources for

themselves.

8 out of 10 of us will be killed over the next few decades...

By the time the conditioned drugged-by-TV sheeple

wake up and react it will be too late for while we can

and will mobilize and overthrow the present system,

there will be no food or water by then to survive.

We will simply starve to death on our own - the elite

don't have to directly kill us, mother nature will *do it for

them*

The specific intent of mass media is to keep us

ignorant to such facts until it's too late - they have a

long record of doing exactly this.

Even if we set up our own national networks of

TV/radio stations NOW and were able to start getting

the word out right away it's *already too late* - global

warming is already well underway and is *irreversible*

at this point. Billions will die of starvation and

disease. The elite won't have to have armies go

around and exterminate us - nature will do it for them.



Timing is everything. The point of no return was 30

years ago - most people didn't even know what global

warming WAS back then, thanks to our friends the

mass media.

What the media doesn't realize is this massive die-off

INCLUDES THEM.

This will be the greatest extinction of life on earth in

65.million years

We will become the fossil fuel to people of the distant

future

(fossil fuel is 50 percent animal matter)

All of this is already in motion with no way of stopping it...

As a small sample of things to come, millions of

people will die this summer from the heat.

Winter has already ceased to exist in some areas - I

am running my air conditioner in the dead of winter

because insted of being below freezing outside it's

warm - almost HOT. What little coldness we are

seeing now is *only due to the ice caps melting*,

once they are gone it will *never* be cold again, it will

range from warm to hot in the "winter" (it already is

here) to deadly heat in the summer, with temps over

110 degrees (it already does that here)

This kind of heat kills everything, crops, livestock, fish,

trees. Vast areas will become desert and there will

be no water to drink much less irragate with. It takes

energy to purify or obtain water, which we are running

out of with no viable substitute in sight.

All the alternative energy forms will either cease to

function or consume more energy to produce the

materials for than they give back.

(solar heat will be rendered useless by constant

cloudyness, winds will die down to nothing excepting

damaging storms with wind turbines taking more

energy to produce the materials than they give back.

hydrogen and ethanol are scams, nuclear ruins the

earth forever with deadly radiation.

the only usable form of energy will be geo-thermal, but

this will serve only a tiny fraction of the earth's

population's energy needs. We might be able to use

tidal power is storms don't destroy the equipment but

again this is only a small part of the energy needed

If solar holds out (if the earth doesn't become overcast

as predicted) water and power can be obtained along

with air conditioning from just solar heat (solar cells

are NOT practical, it takes far too much energy to

produce them and they are fragile, plus even if every

rooftop was covered with them we still wouldn't come

close to meeting our present energy needs.)

A combination of all usable forms of alternative energy

could partially meet our needs, but when you factor in

the energy consumsion of having to grow our food in

air conditioned greenhouses this makes even this

optimalistic picture bleak as most of the world's

population will still die of starvation.

Resources we take for granted like clean water and

food will become more valuable than gold

And how many people can afford that ?

The penalty of not affording is death however

wow

by wow Sunday, Jan. 04, 2004 at 5:34 PM

wow

more good news

wow

if you want feel-good "news" watch TV

by Hex anon w/ encryption Sunday, Jan. 04, 2004 at 5:50 PM



Good news is an artificial drug used to keep you

asleep until the dying begins and nothing more.

If you prefer cold comfort to change I'm afraid the future

doesn't look too bright for you.

If however you are - like me - looking into the future to

deal with these problems NOW before they sneak up

and bite you on the ass, you may well survive to see

this unfolding

Otherwise you'll probably end up a statistic

Good news is un-real. Our appitite for it has brought us to

where we are now, dis-connected from reality and the

*problems we ourselves created*, not even caring to know about

them much less deal with them.

Addicted to "good news" to the extent nothing else compares.

A constant diet of "fist pounding entertainment" while brain cells die,

to stave off depression...

I meet bad news head-on, deal with it, have true happyness

from within and immunity from depression while you glut yourself on

artifical unreal lies desperately grasping for

happyness and security from without

When the real world fails to perform to your expectations

you become sarcastic as if that will protect you from

the cruel realities ahead.

cheer up !

that means a new human project

by Sheepdog Sunday, Jan. 04, 2004 at 7:18 PM

Massive reforestation and serious investigation into tapping clean energy ( there are fantastic quantities of it) while getting real about energy and material consumption. It will take a cultural, almost spiritual revolution. Perhaps a few more nasty consequences from our addiction to the false self indulgence we have been herded into by decades of corporate propaganda will provide the slap to the face we as a people need to wake up. Or maybe achieve sanity about life and real worth not wealth.

materials and equipment

by Hex anon w/ encryption Sunday, Jan. 04, 2004 at 8:59 PM

the fatal flaw in alternate energy sources is this :

it takes fantastic amounts of energy *in the first place* to mine the minerals, transport them, refine them.

Then huge amounts of energy is needed to fabricate the raw materials into useable forms.

Electronics being a good example (since I know them), the amount of energy it takes to grow the pure silicon crystals alone, then they are polished and sliced, then the process of doping and etching multible times, then testing and packaging...

Slicing alone loses nearly half the crystal which took so much energy to grow, as sawdust.

Metal refining is much the same using blast furnaces, or electric arc (millions of Watts)

When you count the total cost in energy, then subtract the amount of energy these devices/systems give back in return before they wear out, you'll see that all this "good news" about alternative energy is hype.

This doesn't even touch on other important issues like pollution, raw material availability, WATER used, profitability (a concern for companies to bankroll this)

There's no magic answer to the energy corner we've backed ourselves into.

Only a combination of major population reduction and viable alternative energy sources plus our best efforts and ideas will even ensure a modest survival of our world. (we're not talking about just the human race here - we've ruined it for *all* life on earth)

Genetic diversity is required for survival, when a lifeform gets down to too small a population it will die out on it's own *anyway* - this dooms nearly all forms of life on earth in the long term including us.

Science and technology is not a cure-all or fix-all. Matter of fact the record shows they are mostly responsible for the damage in the first place (in the form of warfare)

People tend to have blind faith in science just as they do with religion. People in science have a different perspective and are alarmed at the direction we are going. Science if anything else has proven that it *can't* solve the very worst problems it creates in the first place, and that for some problems there *is* no technical solution at all.

Simple knowledge doesn't cut it when it comes to real life - wisdom is required. And I'm sad to report it's in extremely short supply as well.



alternative energy

by Sheepdog Sunday, Jan. 04, 2004 at 10:12 PM

Don't brush this one off so quick.

As I have proposed a few times in the past, there is a non polluting

source of energy and it has been known about for decades.

Energy from the solar wind has created an awesome voltage

potential, separated by the dielectric of the atmosphere between

the earth and the ionosphere. This could be taped in a number of

ways from using lasers to form ionized current pathways where

the resulting discharge could be fed into the earth's field

resonance, Tesla style to using an orbital 'skyhook' ( tyeing down a

satellite in geosynchronis orbit to use the tether as the current

carrier) the main problem being the limit of current usage not to

exceed the natural bleed off of charged partials into space which

would deplete the overall charge of the ionosphere.


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