Very rarely do major newspapers publish articles

openly endorsing both the logic and the practice of

ethnic cleansing. By published Benny Morris's "In '48 Israel did what it had to do" (<http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oe-morris26jan26,1,7470307.story>), however, the Los Angeles Times did just that. Describing the 1948 purge of Palestinians from what would become Israel as "ethnic cleansing," Morris laments the fact that the state of Israel did not succeed in purifying itself of its Arab population, whose birthrate now "threaten[s] to overwhelm the Jewish state, forcing Israelis to defend themselves in ways that many find unacceptable."

Have we not yet learned the lesson of the last century -- a lesson written in the blood of millions of innocents, including 6,000,000 Jews -- that states that attempt to organize themselves along ethnic or religious lines can do so only at the price of unspeakable atrocities? In the shadow of the chimneys and the gas chambers of the 20th century, who dare concede to any state, Israel included, the right to purify itself of those people who, by an accident of birth, were born with the "wrong" race (Arab) or the "wrong" religion?

> Hex is allowed to make outrageous claims, and backs them up (when he does at all) with dubious, at best, sources.

For instance: He claimed that the US military is the world's biggest polluter.

I posted several credible links which prove otherwise.

Strangely, he never posted on that thread again...



proof - check who uses the most oil, that alone more than breaks the record, then include toxic releases around military bases, proving grounds, nuclear processing complexes, waste etc. Not only are they the world's biggest polluter, they are *several times over* when you add them all up

I've better things to do than waste my time arguing with a TROLL who earned his title by NOT posting "credible" sources, like geocities free web pages. Not only do you lie, you then lie about lying. At best your idea of "credible" is government propaganda. And this is when your not spending all your time telling people what they think, feel or do. Not to mention attacking the person and NOT THE ISSUES.





> Now he seems to think



Putting words in people's mouths - your favorite pastime



> I'd like him to clarify this statement, that's all



I have better things to do then fall into your crack of all-or-nothing. I'm not here to discuss thoughts, feelings, attitudes, outlooks, beliefs or solutions.

I simply present the facts - not denying, in fact no response at all does not constitute support/approval. This "with us or against us" mentality is at the very heart of extremism.





> the fact that Hex continues to disparage ALL Israelis by reffering to them as "babykillers".

He denied this.

He was given links to his own posts where he said it.

He still denied it.



BS - here's where lying about lying shows.

You never proved a thing in the first place - the closest you could come was where I titled a comment "speaking of babykillers" when discussing amnesty international statistics

somehow jerry mutated this into "ALL israelis called babykillers"

I let the pictures do the talking, you attempt to attack the person posting them since you can't attack the pictures themselves.





> hex is a fucking racist AND blind supporter of any violence directed towards ALL Israelis



prove it, either link to/quote where I said that or show pictures bearing it out like I do.

There seems to be two critical departures from reality going on here



1.) Jews against zionism, I support these people who are both jewish and israeli

2.) the pictures are the subject - NOT THE PERSON POSTING THEM

What I think, what I support is INMATERIAL and won't be discussed - as much as you try to put words in my mouth. The number of pictures I post has no bearing on anything - I will not be browbeaten into posting only pictures you approve of - if you feel israeli victims are not represented then YOU post pictures of them.



This spin-cycling game of repeating the same lies over & over until the person let's it slide then posting lies about the lies to goad said person into wasting more time refuting the new lies you've stacked atop the old ones is a new low for you.

This is why I've been letting you have the last word - to make it clear to IMC patrons just how far you'll go to "win" an argument. Arguments have nothing to do with facts, they are merely a war of words, even "facts" are mere illusion, pasted from some government propaganda website at best or simply pulled out of thin air as needed at worst.

Once the facts have been posted the thread is dead - some people hate facts though and think the purpose lies elsewhere - this is why the comments drag out long afterwards. The only posts that matter are facts/statistics/photographs. Once a thread devolves to content other than this *I don't care what you say*. It's not about being on a hook - it's about wasting time...



RE: spineless whining

> laujnching_mortars_at_israeli_town



is that "israeli" town in PALESTINE ?





RE: not the pictures



> the inane warblings that i'm sure everyone gets tired of



Well then I need to have a chat with the person standing behind you who's bending your arm and forcing you to read every comment. And I'm sure you've better things to do...



> are they really all the same person?



It appears fresca/nonbrainious (and whatever of the many handles he uses) is jerry lawson.

there's 6 - no 8 indications of this.

1.) old boards where IP's are shown (3 were checked, about 2,000 posts)

2.) the "J." spam on the main IMC

3.) the "J." posts on LGF signed "jerry" in some cases

4.) the blog URLS with these LGF posts signed "J."/jerry

5.) the new IP "tip" on here matches IP from old board

6.) the blogs - signed "J." and jerry lawson

7.) whowhere/1-800-search revealed a jerry lawson where the 2 IP's resolve to

8.) the demographics all match (age, military background, attitudes, opinions, beliefs, writing style, keywords, subjects raised, etc)



There are 3 facts that are pinned down squarely

A.) his IP came up on old boards and resolves to where the new IP "tip" does

B.) he posted his blog URLs on LGF, all signed "J." and jerry lawson

C.) a jerry lawson DOES live where the IP's resolve to..

then

D.) The IP's from the 2,000 posts reveal he posted as different kobe handles

E.) He's admitted posting here under different handles

F.) He's admitted here he's a LGF troll

G.) He is the only "J." on LGF (although there is another jerry which I checked as well)



For me to be wrong

there would have to be *another* jerry lawson, who made those posts on the old boards, who used kobe handles, who lives where he does and has exactly the same background

how likely is that ?



I checked for other jerry lawsons - both generally (nationally) and in that area (where the IP's resolve to) - he is the ONLY jerry lawson that meets all the criteria, I ruled out errors as much as possible by cross-checking and eliminating other jerry lawsons..

I specifically checked any other jerry lawson I could find.

The most damning thing is the connection to LGF - jerry lawson blogs are linked to LGF

Our troll here *admitts* he's a LGF person -

All the evidence I've collected re-enforces this, LGF forms the heart of the connection - if I haden't read old posts going back years on LGF I would have never found this out, his old posts gave me the "break" I needed to tie it all together, then I re-checked the IP's I have and that new IP - all arrows point to jerry lawson..

Given that hex's post is just another mismash and denial of obvious linked to facts, (He's referred to Israeli's as "babykillers" on this very site...imagine what he says on sites where he's not monitored) and the usual fantasy sleuthing of IP adresses (he can't even find mine and the've POSTED it here for God's sake) I only have this to say to the racist troll.

It's IMMATERIAL not "INMATERIAL".

Kill any Jews today hex?

> continues to disparage ALL Israelis by reffering to them as "babykillers".

> referred TO Israeli's as "babykillers" on this very site



What happened to the "all" ? Your accusation is slipping and you still haven't proved a thing - "speaking of babykillers" was as good as you could do...



IMAGINE



> what he says on sites where he's not monitored



Claiming credit points for imagination now ?



I post photographs, statistics, facts and data from NGO's and *let them do the talking*.

You arrive at the conclusion that some israeli's (mostly IDF) have killed (according to the NGO Amnesty International) 400 "babys" since 2000

Yet I also post JEWS AND MUSLIMS UNITED, Jews against zionism, etc

Messages of peace, of working together, of a person's actions being more important than what country they happen to live in...

All you can vent is "all" israelis, "jew hater" "fucking racist" and so on...

The standard lines when one wants to distract from the truth - you can't attack the message especially in the form of photographs, so you attack the messagener.

Never do we hear about the content/subject of the pictures insted we hear "he thinks, he's a _, he does _, he feels _, and now imagine.



People do get tired of the games and tired of reading



What they DO see, what DOES have impact and leaves a lasting impression are the VISUALS - the photographs.

That you don't have and will never find such photographs makes you very desperate, as the more you try to drag out your extended discrediting tactics the more people just scroll on down and don't bother to read at all. Which is okay because then the real strength of pictures show.



They do see *them*.



And IMC patrons please feel free to ignore mere words - as it's the pictures that tell the real story anyway.

I've embedded the positions social justice people take as titles, often in a sarcastic way that forces a person to figure it out themselves. I don't say israeli's are babykillers - the pictures do. This is why jerry cannot quote me - the quote is formed in the viewer's mind when they see the pictures !

All...ALL...of these children were killed by Palestinians.

They weren't killed by Pal tanks, jets, or missiles, though, so I guess they aren't as dead as Pals killed by same.

Or so your reasoning seems to be.

Once again, I offer you a chance to renounce terrorism.

I'll even make it easy for you: I'll go first.

I, nonanarchist, renounce terrorism of any sort, from any source, for any reason.

There! That's all you have to write. Cut and paste, even; just fill in your handle.

That's all you have to do. Very simple. Nothing to it.

Are you capable?

nonanarchist (laughing that you persist in this foolish Jerry nonsense)

> I, nonanarchist, renounce terrorism of any sort, from any source, for any reason.



There's still a few hurtles

1.) are the IDF's actions *state terrorism* ? (do you therefore renounce it too, mr."all" ?)

2.) what entity generates the most terrorism ? (governments or individuals) - what entity are you therefore mostly against ?

3.) we're going to need confirmation and hopefully better quality and BIGGER pictures along with a writeup on each one, plus links to obtain more information

These links had better not be related to the israeli government - the very source of the problem in the first place. Also with the billion dollar propaganda industry along with help from such criminal fronts as the ADL, you should be able to do far better then toss a scrap like the above.



I have hundreds of large high quality photographs from private individuals - nearly all are captioned as well - all done on thier own time & money

Government propaganda, zionist front propaganda - any propaganda doesn't compare. Especially when it's spoon-fed by a large PR industry.

The numbers say for every victim you can *confirm* I can show you at least 4 involving children/babies/infants, and for every adult you can find I can find at least 3...

Now about dead

This glossing over "dead is dead" fails to show that in the Palestinians case it's deaths taking place all over the area, and with people from all walks of life.

Whereas the cases you can show (if you can) it will be from an extremely confined area under very select conditions.

Also I can cite deaths every day - you can only cite *ocassionally* - every few weeks.

Then we need to go over the military hardware in far more detail - you've attempted to whitewash this issue as well I see.

The last problem is "fresca" and "nonbrainious" seem to exchange debates, IP's in the past have shown both handles to be from 1 person/place, the "fresca" handle has been pinned to jerry - the nonbrainious handle *only to the extent that it exchanges with "fresca"*

What this boils down to is anyone can post as either "fresca" OR "nonbrainious" at any time and "truthfully" say they are not jerry - IP's have shown this going on. This exact tactic was mentioned on LGF as well.

Such games form the basis of "guess who I am today" which is nothing more than a distraction...

Obviously IMC staff have seen enough to not only work through the implications of this but have implimented the MD5 warning as well.

Regular IMC patrons have seen this warning and/or banning by IP on "bush admirer", "fresca", "nonbrainious", max, barney, [guess who I am today], etc..

Now considering what a waste of time even trying to have a discussion about these subjects is, I've decided (quite some time ago) to let the pictures do the talking.

So you can either find documented and varified separate pics for each of the above or you can cut it up into tiny pieces and post the story underneath each one...

A single propaganda still doesn't compare to all the high quality photographs I've been posting

is to attempt to engage this hex anon individual in cogent dialogue. May as well attempt to catch a fart and paint it green.

He thinks everyone on indymedia reduces to just one person named Jerry!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

A poor quality photograph must mean that the people in the photograph are not dead! Won't that be a comfort to their families!

Your dismissal of the photograph I posted says reams about you, and it has all been said here before, your denials notwithstanding.

You claim I post propaganda? You are the poster boy for the whole Palestinian = Victim propaganda machine...you've bought it hook, line, and sinker. Sucker!

You say there are not many photos of Israeli dead on the net. This is true...but you will not accept the reason. It's because Israelis have a respect for the dead that Arabs seem to lack. You will never see an Israeli holding up a dead child for a photographer. Take the lynching at Ramallah...Palestinians captured these two Israeli soldiers, who had taken a wrong turn, and killed them with their bare hands. They desecrated the bodies, disembowelling one and ripping the brain out of the other. All these details were lovingly captured for eternity by Palestinian photogaphers.

Hex, do you have any photographs of Palestinians ripped apart by bare Israeli hands? No, you don't. Because it doesn't happen.

Now you go ahead and tell me how much respect for human life Palestinians have, when their actions and their words say otherwise.

You go ahead, because the propaganda machine tells you to do it.

nonanarchist (who, in all reality, is his own person, regardless of Hex's laughable IP and post analysis)

"1.) are the IDF's actions *state terrorism* ? (do you therefore renounce it too, mr."all" ?)"

No, the IDF's actions are the result of a state (despite all but two Arab/Muslim counties not recognizing her as they are required to do by the UN charter) defending herself. No need for condemnation.

"2.) what entity generates the most terrorism ? (governments or individuals) - what entity are you therefore mostly against ?"

Individuals grouped together to further a political/spiritual goal. You know, Hamas, Al Aqsa, Al Qaeda...those fun-loving boy's clubs.

Yet governments cannot be left out, either. The Taliban and the Saddam Hussein regime were terroristic. Not any more, thanks to the Coalition. You're welcome.

"3.) we're going to need confirmation and hopefully better quality and BIGGER pictures along with a writeup on each one, plus links to obtain more information"

What do better quality and BIGGER pictures have to do with it? Do good pictures somehow make the victims pictured more dead? This is ridiculous, and I hope you know it. If you're serious, you're just an idiot.

Links? You want links from me? And why, exactly, should I bother? You will IMMEDIATELY and transparently dismiss any link I offer as "propaganda", no matter the source. Don't even pretend you won't. You have no interest in any viewpoints other than your own, as you have repeatedly shown.

The rest of your nonsense merely shows you don't believe there is any Palestinian terrorism ocurring AT ALL. This is utterly foolish, but not very surprising. No wonder you won't renounce Palestinian terrorism; you apparently don't even believe it exists.

Just so you know, though...the very people you so blindly support would not hesitate one second to kill you to further their goals.

nonanarchist

C'mon, it'll be fun! I'll even let you have a window seat.

nonanarchist

Pats and kitty-kats tangle in balmy Houston on sunday. Lines, line, LINE...anyone got the Line!?

Q.1 - failed

Q.2 - failed

Q.3 - failed

you're not qualified to have a discussion, you don't even know the basics...

RE: the shrill screams of the troll trying to deflect the arrows pointing at him with only words and no *identity* to show otherwise

Your actions (or better yet lack thereof) in settling the matter easyly and simply - identify yourself, tell a different story than the fantasy you wish us to believe

Ned's actions in withdrawing after his exposure to protect his business did likewise

Only the guilty would react at all - much less withdraw for days to months after being exposed.

You've set up a regular pattern in this regard -

"had things to do" "gotta run" being only the latest...

"mamma" was just bragging about how "decent" "jews" are compared to Palestinians, yet these israeli agents caught this man, stripped him naked in the street then *shot him in the head* and left him that way.

I have the complete series of shots

I doubt he was just jaywalking.

"Q.1 - failed

Q.2 - failed

Q.3 - failed

you're not qualified to have a discussion, you don't even know the basics..."

And you're an arrogant, pompous fool. Your point is...?

"Your actions (or better yet lack thereof) in settling the matter easyly and simply - identify yourself, tell a different story than the fantasy you wish us to believe"

Like you'd believe me if I told you who I was. You've got it shoehorned into your microcephalic skull that I'm this Jerry guy so tightly, there's no room left for the truth.

And the truth is...I'm not going to tell you who I am. There are people here who are petty and spiteful enough to attempt to do me some harm with the knowledge. Be aware I class you in that category, Hex. Petty and spiteful.

"Ned's actions in withdrawing after his exposure to protect his business did likewise

Only the guilty would react at all - much less withdraw for days to months after being exposed."

See? Petty and spiteful.

"You've set up a regular pattern in this regard -

"had things to do" "gotta run" being only the latest..."

Uh, real life, ya know? Perhaps you ought to try it, in amongst your endless, ghoulish searching and cataloging of photos of dead children and your analysis of the last 5,000 posts on websites you don't even agree with.

You really are a petty, spitful, small-minded little man.

Your arrogance makes you even more a figure worthy of ridicule.

That reminds me:

You're a dork!

nonanarchist, posting from Central South Carolina

That very famous picture that Hex posted is, like the other one showing the father and son behind the barrel, another example of someone being killed by "palestinian" terrorists (Hamas in this case) and then photographed. These pics are then used by these very same murderers in an effort to get the Hex-like racist Jew Haters of the world all worked up.

Thanks Hex, for proving again, how gullible and horrific you are.

Did you drive by any Jewish kids today and scream "babykiller" at them?

> the truth is...I'm not going to tell you who I am.

hahahhahahaa

that's because if you did the answer would be JERRY LAWSON



RE: Ned's actions (he made death threats to public officials and some people on here, then tried to hide, cover his tracks and pin all the threats on other people)



> See? Petty and spiteful.

(me exposing his games by analysing the IP's on boards where they are shown - public information, this is also the same analysis that caught jerry although his own posts on LGF provided the critical link)





> your endless, ghoulish searching and cataloging of photos of dead children and your analysis of the last 5,000 posts on websites you don't even agree with.



oh no you don't understand - it's a small effort compared to the other research I do.

The pictures are grabbed by spider - automaticly.. All I do is paste in an URL and the spider does the rest !

The 2,000 IP's were easy because someone you know and love did most of the work already and provided them as a single list already sorted - maybe HE spent/spends large amounts of time doing this - I don't know, but the amount of effort and time I spent as a small side-project - was only a matter of hours.. When I go away for a few days to dig dirt I'm not digging the whole time - most of the time the spider just D/L's everything then I skim through the results - this is much faster than trying to surf my way through it - it would take forever if I didn't use *tools* to help me - which I already do for other research projects..



I take the raw output of the spider (which reconstructs the directory of the server being mirrored) and very quickly locate the images, then move them to a special folder where they wait until needed - at my fingertips. A few hundred pics, 120.mb I also have "kobe_dirt" and "israel_dirt" and "ADL_dirt", etc..

I have quite a bit of dirt just waiting for the right time to EXPOSE liars with...

Your only real concern should be how much dirt I have on you

> like the other one showing the father and son behind the barrel



right, and all these people in the crowd, along with the UN and the Rabbi's are all wrong

So now you've moved up to "lies at all costs" ?

"speaking of babykillers" was as good as you could do... "

As good as I need.

It was the first search. And it says enough. That combined with your utter denial of any arab violence towards jews and Israeli's is overwhelming proof.

Gotcha again Nazi.

Face it, you're starting to become the poster child for small-minded hate and racism around here.

Call any Jewish kids "babykillers" today?

Seeing as how the "kollective" censored this post the first time I posted it, I'll try again.

The pic Hex posted, like the one that shows the "palestinian" child murdered by "palestinian" gunmen in his father's arms, is another famous example of "palestinian" revenge murder on "disloyal" "palestinians".

In this case this person was murdered by Hamas.

Hex knows that but he needs to lie.

the father and son behind the barrel

(claimed it wasn't IDF who shot the kid - this makes at least 3 times jerry's spin-cycled this lie, the crowd in the post above, the UN and the Rabbi's would all have to be dead wrong to swallow this lie)



RE: my comment title "speaking of babykillers" for Amnesty International statistics



> As good as I need.



Well you've failed this as well - you perverted this into "calls ALL israeli's babykillers"



Just like me refusing to dance when you wish to ask me loaded/rhetorical questions became;

"utter denial of any arab violence towards jews and Israeli's"



BTW;

"babykillers" was a bite YOU planted in the first place - in order to smear other people..

Hex...you keep digging your own hole.

The fact that you paste a pic of some rabbi under a pic of a Hamas victim doesn't mean Isareli's had anything to do with it.

Ballistics, as I know you know have proven that the kid was shot by palestinian fire.

BTW....I never said anything about babykillers...you were responding to someone else when you claimed that ALL Isareli's were "babykillers".

You got dirt on me?

Post it.

No, really. Go ahead. Post everything you got.

I dare you. I double dog dare you.

You don't have any balls if you don't, Hex.

C'mon, you pansy. Spill it. Let's see what you got.

Talk's cheap, tough guy. Prove you're as good as you say you are.

If you don't, you'll have to turn in your Master Geek RS-232 cables and your Vulcan ears.

All geek-baiting aside, what will it take?

What would convince you that I'm not Jerry what's-his-name?

Is there anything I could post that would convince you?

No. Because you've got your pointy little mind made up. You could meet me in person, search my hard drive for the photos I've posted and the links I've visited, and still think I was somebody else.

Your delusion will not permit anything else.

So go ahead; post all the dirt on "me" that you have. Call the IRS. Whatever. Booga booga.

But it's not me, Hex. Hee hee! Dork.

nonanarchist

"You got dirt on me? "

Nonanarchist...I know you know this, but there's no way that Hex could know anything about anyone here. He can't trace IP's and even if he could, there's nothing he could do with them.

It's pathetic really. We've both been "identified" as at least two different people, not to mention as each other (yet he always responds to us as different people).

It's sorta sad.

I couldn't be any more UN encrypted. I don't care about any of that.

The only dirt anyone could know about me is my low batting average in one of my baseball leagues.

Oh well, it's still amusing.

Oh lookie, Q's on the rant again.

How odd, to see a venomous little racist pretending to oppose racism! How funny that someone who posts comments calling the Palestinians "paleo-stinians", claiming the Arabs are all the same and all violent and backwards, should be making lying attempts to feign concern over racism here!

Boy, you hate the darkskinned A-rabs and "paleo-stinians", dontcha? But damn, can you spew accusations of anti-Semitism faster than anyone!

Yes, it's the same ol' same ol' from Q---no amount of reality, facts, logic, or common sense can get in the way of his "you all are just a buncha anti-Semites for opposing Israel" rhetort. Anyone mentions Israeli attrocities, and it's time for the shrill, obtuse little rightwingers to come running to shout "racists!" It looks kinda silly, though, since they have to use one hand to hold up there big, pointy white hoods while they're screaming.

The question of whether some of the people who oppose Israel are actually racists is not really a question at all---Of course some of them are, especially American Vet. But the same is true of those who DEFEND Israel---like the Arab-hating, fascism-defender Q. That some of the people opposing Israel are racists doesn't mean everyone that opposes Israel is a racist, or that the facts about Israel's oppressive and fascistic nature aren't true. No more than the fact that Q is a hate-spewing bigot means ALL people saying they oppose anti-Semitism are racist lying pro-fascists.

Of course, these truths will never have any impact upon Q's posts. When has he ever let truth get in his way?

Drew Poe

"ballistics prove" jerry will lie, then lie some more, then lie again, then lie about lying.

spin-cycling forever

jerry lawson forever

I've uncovered some dirt on Hex.

Here's a pic after one of his famed cross-country bike trips.

I was looking through some Steve Miller albums the other day (to select tracks for a broadcast MP3 CD) and I noticed this track -

...forehead on that guy.

Say hex, you never did answer my question (imagine that!):

What could I post that would convince you I'm who I say I am?

nonanarchist

living in Montreal from 77 until 94, I witnessed firsthand the jewish family social service center who had the mandate to execute the youth protection act in the english community employed 425 social workers whose main goal was to ethnically cleanse the province of procanadian citizens by harassing their children simultaneously to the parti quebecois degrading the anglo school system. The parents who loved their children simply left the province to the tune of more than 500,000 innocent canadian citizens. The goal is to divide canada and occupy eastern canada. Check it out in national geographic. Where are the overflow NYC settlements setting up? Eastern canada and quebec. Its a crime going unpublished and unpunished.