Saddam was captured by Kurds, not US

Sunday, 21 December , 2003

http://sify.com/news/international/fullstory.php?id=13341763

London: Ousted Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein was captured by Kurdish forces, then drugged and handed over to the American forces as a revenge against the rape of a tribal chief's daughter by the tyrant's psychopathic eldest son Uday, a media report said today.

The full story of the fallen dictator's capture last Saturday in a "spider hole" near his birthplace of Tikrit exposes the version peddled by Americans as incomplete.

According to the report in The Sunday Express, Saddam had already been handed over to Kurdish forces, who then brokered a deal with US commanders. He was drugged and abandoned, ready for the American troops to recover him.

Saddam was betrayed to the Kurds by a member of the al-Jabour tribe whose daughter was "defiled" by Uday, the report quoting a senior British military intelligence officer said.

The tribe threatened to take revenge. As soon as he heard the news, Saddam visited the family of the dead man and paid them 7 million pounds in blood money with the chilling warning: "If you try to take revenge you will force me to wipe out the al-Jabour tribe."

The news that Saddam was a prisoner and not in hiding would explain his dishevelled state when he was found by Kurdish special forces from the patriotic front and US soldiers.

He was unable to climb out of the hole on his own because the lid that covered it was also sealed down with a carpet and some rubble. A former Iraqi intelligence officer now living in Qatar said he believed Saddam was betrayed shortly after his last audio message was released to the world via Arab television on November 16.

"He was dumped in that hole in Ad Dawr after being handed over to the patriotic front by his own tribesmen and held prisoner until Jalal Talabani made his own negotiations," said the Iraqi.

Talabani is a leader of the Patriotic Front, one of two main Kurdish parties in northern Iraq who fought alongside US forces during the war.

One report said Saddam's cook spiked his food before he was delivered to the front.

According to the report, a western intelligence source stationed in the Middle East said: "Saddam was not captured as a result of any American or British intelligence. We knew that someone would eventually take their revenge, it was just a matter of time."

"There was no question of the tribe claiming the 16 million pounds reward from the US. Apparently it was a question of honour."

"The Kurdish Patriotic Front held him while they thrashed out their own deal. It didn't just involve the reward but it involved gaining some sort of political advantage in the region."

There had been bad blood between the dictator and the al-Jabour tribe since the raped woman's husband tried to take revenge and was shot by Uday's bodyguard.

"The net really began to close when his family fled to Jordan and Uday and Qusay were killed in Mosul. A 20-million pounds reward went to the informant who gave information on their hiding place. However, I doubt if the reward for Saddam will be paid to those directly responsible for his capture."

"They will consider the family honour has been avenged... in Iraqi tribal society it would be frowned upon to accept money."

Immediately after the raid in which Saddam was captured, jubilant Kurdish officials leaked the news to an Iranian news agency hours before the US had a chance to make an official announcement to the assembled media in Baghdad.

The report also said secret talks are under way to fix a deal in which Saddam will be detained for life in a Qatari prison after his showcase trial.

Intense behind-the-scene negotiations, brokered by Britain, will see the former dictator jailed in the tiny Gulf state, which is host to several US military bases, if the Iraqi court does not push for his execution.

Yhis rag is owned by Richard Desmond, a British porn smut peddler. This rag has about as much credibility as the National Enquirer or the National Review.

the Times or Post or any other corp rag.

If Saddam had been captured by the Kurds he'd be cut up into about 50 pieces right now and would be displayed on about 50 different sticks while Kurdish children feasted on his ears and intestines.

The LAST thing the Kurds would do would be to turn him over to ANYONE, ALIVE.

Please THINK just a bit before posting such ridiculous nonsense.

With no way out and no phone or other comm units.

I sure the pay or reward was worth it. Anyway, fresca is mewling so it must be true. Here's a link to the story.

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,8233746%255E2,00.html

I don't care IF the Kurds got him as long as WE have him now. But I have very little faith in the basic humane qualities of the average Kurd

So fresca has "little faith in the basic humane qualities of the average Kurd." That sounds like a quote from Saddam!

Actually fresca... the Kurds have already been credited by the U.S. occupation forces for hunting down, capturing, and turning over to the U.S. occupation forces, two of Saddam's henchmen!

Some of the various articles detailing the Kurds having captured Saddam mention that U.S. forces thought it would be a bad idea to have the Kurds take credit for the capture, feeling that it might touch off a civil war between Arabs and Kurds.

Like I said, I don't and neither should anyone else give a damn about HOW he was captured or by WHOM.

All that matters is that we now get our turn at bat with him.

Figuratively and literally.

I still suspect the Kurds would chop him up into little pieces first. But who knows?

fucked up fresca sez:

"All that matters is that we now get our turn at bat with him. Figuratively and literally. "

Our turn at bat? We helped put the SOB in power, gave him lists of people to kill, and supplied him with chemical weapons. Saddam was Reagan and Rumsfeld's butt boy. How stoopid are you, exactly?

PS - Our great allies, the Turks, treat the Kurds worse than Saddam ever did. They arrest Kurds for even daring to speak their own language. Guess Dumbya's never heard about that, huh?

"We helped put the SOB in power"

We haven't done anything to help him.

What little involvement we had with him...and nowhere near as much as certain of your heroic states in europe had.. was years ago.

I don't give a fuck, a neither does the rest of America, what happened in the 80's. Those mistakes were made a long time ago.

Besides, who cares if we did help him? Are you saying that because of that, we shouldn't make up for those mistakes by utterly decimating him and his minions?

Get your head outa your ass.

You're lucky I take such pleasure in educating you.

P.S. If it makes you feel any better I'll allow you to repost that pic of Rummy and Saddam. I know that always makes you goofs feel better.

Check this out!

Caducada: "We haven't done anything to help him.

What little involvement we had with him...and nowhere near as much as certain of your heroic states in europe had.. was years ago. "

"....we haven't done anything...well, maybe we did but it was only a little involvement.....and it was years ago for crying out loud....."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

C'mon kpc...is that the best you can do?

WE as in the present tense...as in no help from the last few administrations...WE have definetely not helped Saddam.

Face it....you're hero crumbled..

To the extent that he ever served our interests years ago is the extent to which we'll back off a LITTLE when we, ahem, question him.

You can claim responsibility for him if you want, but Bush and even Clinton have done nothing but try, and in the former's case, bring him down.

You fools need a new whine.

Gotcha again.

It's too easy.

Flatulent fresca babbled:

"We haven't done anything to help him."

"Besides, who cares if we did help him?"

"WE as in the present tense...as in no help from the last few administrations...WE have definetely not helped Saddam."

"To the extent that he ever served our interests years ago is the extent to which we'll back off a LITTLE when we, ahem, question him."

Let's see... The US didn't help Saddam, but who cares if we did... The same people who are now in the Bush 2 administration were his good buddies during both the Reagan and Bush 1 administrations, but he got no help "from the last few administrations..." and anyway, we just won't ask about how we helped him, ahem, and, and...

I'd be so embarrassed to be you.

1979. The U.S. State Department, under the Carter administration, included Iraq in its list of states that sponsor terrorism.

February 1982. The Reagan administration - despite stern objections from Congress- removed Iraq from the U.S. State Department's list of states sponsoring terrorism. This cleared the way for future U.S. military aid to that country.

1982. Iraq began using chemical weapons against Iran. By the end of the decade, some 100,000 people would die as a result the chemical warfare waged by the Iraqis.

1983. The Reagan administration approved the sale of 60 civilian Hughes helicopters to Iraq, in spite of the fact it was widely understood that the helicopters could be weaponized with little effort.

December 2, 1983. The U.S. State Department invited Bechtel officials to Washington to discuss plans for constructing an Iraq-Jordan oil pipeline. Former Bechtel president George Shultz was U.S. Secretary of State at the time.

1984. The CIA secretly provided Iraqi intelligence with instructions on how to "calibrate" its mustard gas attacks on Iranian troops.

1985. U.S. Secretary of State George Shultz successfully convinced Rep. Howard Berman to drop a House bill that put Iraq back on the State Department's list of states that sponsor terrorism.

January thru February 1988. The U.S. Commerce Department allowed for the export of equipment to Iraq for its SCUD missile program. Iraq's acquisition of the new equipment allowed it to increase the range of its SCUD missiles.

July 18 thru August 1 1990. The Bush administration approved $4.8 million in sales of advanced technology products to Iraq's "MIMI" and "Saad 16" research centers. "MIMI" had been determined two years prior to be a development facility for chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons programs. And in 1989, the U.S. had learned that "Saad 16" was also involved in the development of chemical and nuclear weapons.

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/globalissue/usforeignpolicy/iraq1980scontent.html

Caducada: "WE as in the present tense"

Ummm, "WE" is a pronoun...not a verb, and therefor has no tense...

...idiot.....