Do you people know what Arabs do to each other? Are you listening? Or do you strive so hard to be alternatively political that you just eat everything up and choose the most likely lefty side?

Sure there are things I hate about Bush, things I despise about Sharon, but has anyone checked out the racism and murder that goes on in Arab states to date? Has anyone noticed that this is not about the Jews at all? SLAUGHTERED BY THE MILLIONS, not Jews slaughtering Palestinians, but Arabs, oh yes, Arabs, slaughtering Palestinians, Shiites, Sufis,Sunis, Salman Rushdies and most of all Jews.

Does anyone realise that Islam preaches the killing of anyone who is not Muslim. It's in the book. Crusades and dark ages aside, not even Christianity does that.

What more evidence do you need, calling Jews racist against Arabs is certainly an attempt for the pot to call the kettle black. I am so sick of it it makes me puke, and it doesn't win any support for legitimate Arab causes either, because frankly, if they'd rather see me dead, then I'll have to live and let die. I begin to believeas I age and see the hypocracy that is the Arab pity me culture, that propoganda works really well on the bleeding heart.

However, being a decendant of a holocaust survivor and a survivor of wars of agression,, I am not blinded to the fact that Arabs must pay for their own racism.

It is high time, the crusades were a lot longer ago than the holocaust, Arab states need to step up and be held accountable for racism, feudalism, sexism, and a host of other ism's. And we need to say sorry to those who expect us to be gentle about it. Because much as I hate war, I will not allow racists to trap and kill my people ever again. I will never wear a Burqa, I will never be Muslim, but someday, I will walk free in the Garden of Eden, where i couldn't go before because I am a Jew. Someday, Jews will not be stabbed in Jerusalem for shopping in the Arab sector.

Someday, Iranian Jews will go back to their country and see their beloved Persia stolen by a crazy Imam who only hates.

Someday, the women of Arabia will be free to date, and love, and leave their husbands if they are evil.

Someday, Sally Fields movie " Not without my Daughter," will be history. But today, these things go on and on, and as long as they do, no one will pity the Arab causes. We have the right to self detirmination, if not all Arabs are racists, they have the right to show so, but I have seen nothing of the kind, especially here.

Where in the Koran does it say that all non-Muslims should be killed?

Who gave you the right to determine which Arab groups or causes are "legitimate"?

How do such problems in Arab societies as female oppression give Israelies the right to steal Arab land?

By what kind of sick ethical standard is it ok for someone born in Brooklyn to live in Jerusalem while someone born there in 1947 is banned?

Why do you feel compelled to post this racist, reactionary garbage on this site?

The prevailing wisdom of femicide in Arab culture and the dire wish of Palestinians to outnumber Jews who are pronouncedly pro female in Israel gives me the right to cherish the fact that women in Israel are free.

As far as deciding who is legitimate in a cause, what gives you the right to determine what Arab land is after all? How can you say land stolen from Jews is Arab? By that right, you cannot determine who's land is who's because historically it would then belong to anyone who lived on it at any given time which means anyone, including whoever lives on it now, possesion is 9 tenths of the law, and you only lose possesion by commiting crimes like killing innocents, which the Palestinians generally do better than Jews. Mind you, a large percentage of Palestinian dead are bomers themselves and militants, while the majority of Israeli dead are civilians. Mind you all of the wars there were instigated by Arab countries and land was legitimately won after that.

Earth does not belong to man, man belongs to Earth. But my point is that Israel, for all of your ignorance of it, is a free country where women have a relatively equal share, and if you know Israeli women it's more than equal. They have the right to not be taken over like Iranian women are and forced to convert, subvert, or die. That is the general malaise of Arab culture, not only are Muslim laws towards women downright sexist, but they forcibly impose those laws on non muslims. Therefore, Israel is doing a service by leaving one place in the middle east where women, Christians , and other religions are safer, no thanks to Palestinians, name one other place I dare you.

Name one Arab country where that is true? And name me one Arab country where another religion is tolerated completely without war or persecution. Snap out of it. Nothing belongs to these people because they forfeit it by choosing Arafat to get fat off their money while nothing is done for them. They forfeit everything even Israel was willing to do, before grabbing land, because they WANT TO KILL JEWS.

Grabbing land in that territory means more people will be free from bombers and racial hatred, so if the Palestinians refuse to stop terrorising, they deserve to have their land taken.

You don't see that there are consequesnces to armed struggle. You think it's just hunky dorey that Palestinians should have their country just because they kill a few babies.

Sorry, I will not wear a burqa. I will not be forced to be a muslim, I will not allow the death of my family in Israel to go unavenged. I did that with the Nazi's. It's over now. I will not believe Islam is a peaceful religion, whatever is written in the book, because I have heard Imams speak of killing my innocent family.

I will do what I have to to protect them.

I will not allow people to be forcibly made muslim, Christian, or anything else.

I am sorry for the Palestinians, but, they are never and have never felt sorry for me or my family.

When my cousin goes out at 3 a.m. in an ambulance to save a Palestinian child, and his vehicle is stoned and shot at, I am not surprised that the army doesn't let ambulances come to the scene.

There is nothing humane or pity worthy about people who spit in your face when you try to help.

Grow up.

Enjoy your freedom.

You are lucky there aren't enough Arab zealots here in the US to convert and subjugate us all.

Belive me, they would if they could.

I have seen the face of racism, I have seen Hitlers own swastika, Buddhahs heart reversed, on the headbands of Palestinian babies.

To me, that makes them certainly the most illegitimate cause of all.

Go ahead, put yours on. Because I know know that Arabs are pronouncedly racist, I have had my multitude of experiences and heard enough clerics speak.

You cannot hide the true nature of a Nazi.

I support freedom of religion, not freedom to force your religion on others. Name one Jew who has ever made a person wear Talis, or Tefilin, I can tell you, there is none. Name one Jew who has ever worn a swastika, hung a black man from a tree, gassed people like Sadam, blown up a cafe?

Even more, name one Jordanian who tolerated Palestinians?

One Egyptian?

One Saudi?

In fact the only leader who took them in at all after all the violence they caused was Sadam.

I bet you support him too.

I am sad that the Arab nations have chosen this role of Hitler's next army.

I am sad that you don't know the history of that particular issue and how it plays out.

But I will not have people I love villified for simply living their daily lives, driving ambulances, tring to save lives, being Jewish, in Israel.

"Where in the Koran does it say that all non-Muslims should be killed?"



The 5th verse of Sûrah Taubah -- Allah says:

“When the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them, besiege them and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free.”

Jews and Christians are not considered idol worshipers in Islam. Besides, do not the Christian and Jewish scriptures advise similar treatment for pagans in time of war? Religion in general is bloodthirsty, but you can't make a case that Islam is especially so, compared with Judaism and Christianity.

"...in time of war"

Good point. Islam is a war-obsessed religion. That's what happens when the creator of your religion is a warlord.

Well, Mymicz baby, I guess that rule didn't apply in 1948, eh? How about Poland in 1942 - did it apply then? Land theft is land theft; please don't insult our intelligence by dressing in up in claims of victimhood.

Are you sure that Jews, unlike people of virtually all other religions, have never forcibly "converted" anyone? What happened to the Canaanites? And are you sure that you are a descendent of the tribes of the ancient Hebrews (who probably looked a lot like modern Palestinians) and not the descendent of slaves in early Medieval Europe who were forcibly converted by a Jewish slaveowner? The same way Christians were converting their slaves? Could that possibly be why most Israelis look a lot more like Europeans than they do Middle Easterners?

"guess that rule didn't apply in 1948, eh? How about Poland in 1942 - did it apply then?"

Sure it did. What you don't realize here is that even though possession is 9/10 of the law, the other 1/10 of the law has to do with who has the bigger gun.

How many of you are there, Meyer?

Oh yeah, and what "intelligence'?

Unlike King David and King Solomon, of course. Or the fellows who stormed Jerico and then massacred or enslaved it inhabitants. Just think of the vast difference between the Hebrews seizing Palestine from the Canaanites and the Muslims seizing the Arabian Peninsula from the other tribes in the area. The big difference is that God ordered the Israelites to storm Jerico but Muhummad was telling a big fib when he claimed that God ordered him to commit similar acts. Just ask Jerry Falwell or some other Biblical scholar.

All the exapmles you give happened a long, long time ago.

Muslim activites of that sort are happening today.

Your finger-pointing is ridiculous. And you can't even see it.

Now, go ahead and and support terror and murder some more.

But bear in mind, the extremists you support want YOU dead, enslaved, or converted, too, your rabid support and apology for them notwithstanding.

Speaking of being enslaved, check this out: http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7652

Litteral Translation :

"For exchange in Ha'il:

a Dodge car model 1991 to be exchanged with a female servant (New one) serilankan or indian.

phone no# : (etc..)

Abu Fahd"

Funny, you NEVER hear of Christians or Jews wanting to trade human beings for cars...

My posting was in response to another one that claimed that Islam was founded by a warlord and denounced it on that basis. While it is true that King David, King Solomon, and the people who stormed Jerico lived a long time ago, the last time I checked the same was true of Muhummad.

Well, assuming that the whole region isn't blown up in some nuclear confrontation, Arabs will be the majority inside Israel in a few decades. How do you "conquer" a nation in which you form the majority of the population? Did the Blacks "conquer" South Africa? One more reason among many not to waste lives or money defending the Zionist state - it is doomed on democraphic grounds.

Check your numbers, and your historical timelines.

Since the crusades, perhaps I'll even give you up until Viet Nam, The Christians have waged no Holy war, The Jews have waged no Holy war since 1973(technically not a subjugating holy war).

But check out how many sects of Islam have been slaughtered in the past ten years alone.

I can and have made the case.

Also, whether or not Jews and Christians are Idolators to Muslims is a moot point, Wiccans and pagans shouldn't be threatened either.

And any text that advocates slaughter can be used to kill anyone who is not Muslim under the pretext of faith.

Demographics aside, because I agree Jews don't breed as much, Israel is more than a state, or a religious ghetto for Jews, it is a hope of a people who were persecuted, to return to their land and have safety.

This is a hope we should foster in all people. A hope that should be protected. The only reason Jews have reacted so violently to the situation is because they were victims, and determined to be victims no more.

What the Palestinians flawed plan overlooked was the sheer power and determination of the Jewish people to be safe once and for all.

It is akin to threatening a mother lion with her cub.

It is animalistic and not grounded in religion, but rather, whatever connection can be found within a people, like my big nose, which looks real Jewish I tell ya, my language, which is Hebrew, and a love of tradition which is the single defining human factor.

The British, whom I can admit were terrorised by holocaust survivors they once turned away from their own shores, had no vested interest in the land, no love of the tradition that made this land special.

Truth be told, Palestinians may have a small interest, although Mohammads donkey only shathed near the temple and that's what makes it so damn important to them.

But they do not have a love of each other, a unity, nor a determination to have a peaceful home.

The underlying and overreaching chant behind Palestine has always been the desire to "push the Jews into the Sea." Why? Because Arab hegemony in the region is threatened by Israel.

Simple as that.

Unfortunately, Arabs really do not support other Arabs, they simply terrorise non Arabs and ask America for 20 million dollars to clean up.

I feel sorry for all of the Palestinians who are being duped with bad education and arms dealing which makes Arafat richer. I feel bad for the pawns in some gun runners war. I wish the temple mount could be visited by all, but because Muslims have no tolerance, even the president of Israel isn't allowed to go there.

I am afraid of Islam. I must say, manipulating a mouse sized country to look like the worlds biggest threat in order to fulfill Hitler's deepest desire that Arabs be the next front against the Jews is a sorry excuse for religion. I do not feel sorry for an Arab Majority because a few of them can't live in a state the size of Chicago and slaughter more Jews and Christians in the process.

Well, Mymicz, I suggest that you read over the various scriptural accounts of how the Hebrews or Israelites dealt with Canaanites, Philistines, Greco-Syrians and other groups; if you read it honestly you will revise your opinion that the Koran is more violence-oriented that the Jewish/Christian scriptures.

Not sorry enough to recognize their claim to live where they or their parents were born, however. And not sorry enough to refrain from racist comments about Arabs, ignorant, bigoted statements about the religion most of them follow, or to acknowledge that many Palestinians are Christians. Edward Said's family belonged to this minority.

...practicing their genocide:

Oh, wait...no, they're not.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1068006538732&p=1008596981749

Nov. 5, 2003

Palestinian, 12, run over in Jenin, treated in Haifa

By MARGOT DUDKEVITCH

A 12-year-old Palestinian boy, seriously wounded in a car accident in Jenin, was transferred Wednesday evening to Rambam Hospital in Haifa with the assistance of officials of the Judea & Samaria Civil Administation.

The boy, Yazzid Subahi Shinawi, was hit by a car as he walked in a road in the city, suffering a serious head wound. He was taken to the local hospital, but they were unable to treat him due to the seriousness of his wounds. Palestinian officials contacted the District Coordinating Office in Jenin and requested the assistance.

A Palestinian ambulance took the boy to the nearby IDF roadblock, where and he was transferred to the Magen David Adom ambulancein which he was driven to Haifa.

******

You never hear of any similar treatment of Jews by Palestinians, do you?

Wonder why that is...

The Mystery Poster