the new york indy media site is censoring my posts..mostly relating to what they say are conspiracy theories...things like the new world order..one world government..bilderberg group etc..

i posts this not to be a pain in the ass but to let folks know that what i think is extremely relevant information and discussion to the path not only this country is taking but a path most of the world is taking is being deleted from the new york indy wire...it is not racist or harmful langauge or content...once folks like indy media start censoring..well..i think its pretty sad..

It's prob OK to post it here - go ahead and give it a whirl, let us see what you've got

it truely is a sad day when free and independent media sources start to censor information. conspiracy theories tend to be based in truth

They've been having alot of problems lately with both "right-wing nuts" and rabid pro-zionists getting into spamming contests sweeping good articles off the wire. (by this I mean people who post just to spam compared to "real" posts announcing events, expose's with solid data to back them up and who engage in discussion responding to comments after the post)

One of the hallmarks of spammers is that they simply paste - usually the exact same thing - over & over again without ever discussing and in fact ignore all comments even questions then you see the same thing posted again & again in other threads...

These people are both rude/selfish AND non-responsive...

rude to keep posting the same thing over & over

selfish to keep doing it even when their articles are hidden which is a CLEAR SIGN that this activity is NOT WANTED

non-responsive because they never engage in discussion

none of these actions are with the spirit of open publishing. One spammer even directly said (when asked why he was "shitting" on the newswire) "I shit here because", bla bla bla..

It never even crossed his mind that "shitting" on the newswire was bad for both the wire and the spirit of open publishing and that his concerns shouldn't be out-weighing the need of people to access timely accurate useful news. People like that don't think for the good of people, they are self-absorbed and only care about themselves.

The best way for persons who feel thier posts are un-fairly hidden to get moderators to give them a break is to explain thier position *kindly and with reason* as an open letter showing examples of now the info they wish to post is in fact helpful and does in fact help people. Occasionally good posts get hidden - moderators aren't perfect angles who never make mistakes. It's wise to pro-offer an explaination as above *in an existing thread as a comment* then look over the hidden posts and see the pattern/trend that causes them to be hidden, then post again *avoiding* the content style the hidden posts have.

(try try again but with RESPECT and explaination, adjusting your own posting style to avoid the style that get's articles hidden)

What you should NOT do is simply complain, especially on other IMC's and NOT bother to post as an example what it is you're unhappy with being hidden, NOT answer questions or respond to comments and NOT explain your reasons for why (specifically) you think it's important, and especially NOT just keep re-posting (especially the exact same thing) it over & over (which is spamming)

Most of the people spamming know they are just spamming and that's why they do those things.

For them it's just a game of what they think they can get away with - trying to wear down the moderators - thinking that if they just keep re-posting over & over they will "get thier way" - a game of push & shove.

these people hurt IMC and hurt other people

(this doesn't even include "professional spammers" who've made it an agenda to actually and directly hurt IMC and all the people it's meant to serve, so-called "freepers" and so on)

Beyond the fact that the examples you've mentioned are absolutely conspiracy fantasy stalwarts, feel free to post them.

I actually believe that there are Iraqi WMD's, so what do I know? Not a whole hell of a lot!

you show me the facts that george bush senior called for a new world order...you show me the facts the liberties are being stiffled and orwellian propaganda like the victory act and trying to be implemented...you show me the conspiracy theory that the faa didn't divert fighter jets on time on 9-11..you show me the conspiracy theory that divide and conquer tactics are being used...and have been used for many many decades if not further...you show me the conspiracies that the same people who funded hitler also funded stalin...conspiracy theories my a$$...you keep thinking they are conspiracy theories until the time they bite you in the face...but wsith love..of course...

All excellent questions. Please answer them. Show me any facts or evidence whatsoever that any of the tired delusions you obsess on are real.

I'd like to see what you've got - add it to the local web server here & the archive. What you mentioned so far sounds reasonable to me, I have other info like that too although I mostly concentrate on technical-related issues (my specialty)

Just yersterday I completed mirroring a great depostory of *video clips* on 9-11 related stuff;

http://thewebfairy.com/video/

which contains 220 files, 214.MB of nearly all video clips... (some are MPG/DivX/AVI, some MOV and a few RM, plus a large MP3 called "USS_Liberty.mp3" which I haven't listened to yet.

Conspiracy theorists need their own "newswire" away from the IMC. They actually need something less about "news" and more for creating elaborate documents. Unfortunately, most people into conspiracy are 1) starfuckers who worship former cia spooks or cops, and 2) unwilling to create "open forums" for discussion, preferring to promote their own projects.

The IMC operates on a dynamic between at least two big ideas. Some believe in THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE. Others believe in WE MUST ORGANIZE LOCALLY (aka "come to my fundraiser"). The two are not mutually exclusive, but they are different impulses. The former will attract "starfuckers" and the latter will attract "organizers". The starfuckers want to organizers to follow them. The organizers think the starfuckers are megalomaniacs (without awareness that they are out to be a big fish in a small pond!).

Support the War of Egos

all i can say is educate yourself...go to...propagandamatrix.com...go to davidicke.com....go to prisonplanet.com....go to whatreallyhappened.com..and go to most any other link from these sites..you'll not only find the answers to all the 'questions' i posted...you'll also find documented evidence of these questions...news paper articles and the such...these are far from conspiracy theories...all the so called conspiracy theories are becomg factual info reported on by the mainstream press and media...somewhat..

That's rich commentary coming from a washed-up speed junkie.

> knowledge is not power

This is simplistic. Knowledge is simply knowledge. It's a matter of the CONTEXT it's gathered, used, presented in. This is where wisdom comes in.

As I said above IMC's have certain expectations on the articles being timely, factual, useful (news). Reasonable people who *respect* these values can post what some might consider "conspiracy theories" and actually educate that in some cases they are not in fact merely theories. In this process a great service is done both to people and IMC.

There's no question that some (many ?) of the conspiracy theorists are just doing what you said - trying to become self-inflated "leaders" to the gullible and simply promoting themselves at the expense of both truth and news. However it's critically important to at least give them a chance - a shot at exposing what sometimes turns out to be important breakthroughs, just on that possibility alone.

I fully agree that once a person shows themselves to be self-absorbed and not actually concerned with IMC and it's readers it's OK to place thier posts off the front page or newswire to where few people go (the hidden posts) and you have to want to look at them.

When DM accused NYC-IMC of unfairly doing this the reason why I invited him to show us what it is they are hiding was to see if he was one of those (rather rare I admit) people who really does have something to show us (that post on the diebold software is an excellent example of the kinds of posts that are really helpful and good for both IMC and the people who read it) I was hoping this is what we'd see in this case..

The invite leaves the ball in DM's court so-to-speak.

I already check the sources he just mentioned so he's not telling me anything new...



"starfuckers" seems rather harsh comming from an IMC perspective when these aspects of the issue are kept in mind, but then again as stated some people in IMC themselves have thier own agenda which violates the original charter of the IMC network. (I make this statement on the assumption the "starfucker" post came from an IMC person - if it didn't then it only represents someone else's opinion meant to imply an out of the horse's mouth IMC standing on this issue - not a new tactic to be sure and actually a rather worn out one)

what??????

I'd still like you to post here the exact posts you posted on NYC-IMC that were hidden

I'd still like you to post here what it was NYC-IMC hid so we can see - the IMC people here prob don't mind considering what else goes on here (the endless debates of playground antics, yes you did, no I didn't yes they did,no they didn't style) Hell anything would be an improvement over that... We have some pretty nice threads on the main IMC site and try to avoid the 100 post name calling chatter threads on here. I directly blame the kobe group and certain one's like "fresca" who's proven to be quite the narrow-minded spammer (a person who never accepts anything other than what they've committed themselves to and only repeats over & over the same thing as if that makes it anymore true) She's a dogmatic person... There's a few troublemakers on the main IMC too but these people here are really bad. I don't see why we don't just totally ignore them - even arguing with them is a waste of time since it never acclomplishes anything. At least on the mian site there's some dynamics of people changing and the overall "mood" of the posts evolve.. Here's it's like watching a re-run with only the subject changed.

(this isn't to insult the people who run this site only the people I mentioned above who *think they do*)

"...narrow-minded spammer (a person who never accepts anything other than what they've committed themselves to and only repeats over & over the same thing as if that makes it anymore true)"

Congratulations! You've just described all the regular libbies/annies here!

mr. hexanon: pointing out a websites assholes, in your eyes & i disagree on your examples used, is bs.

i do agree that the censored articles shld be shown.

Calm down on the oversightfulness and grab a mouthful, y'know?

I fully expect to draw the ire of said trolls however you'll find attempts to draw me into the games will fail.

I suggest you check threads like this;

http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=342713&group=webcast

to see the differences I was refering to and tell me these people's debate style can compare (which shouldn't even be the main activity on here - strictly discussion in the context of the news posted is what this space is for)

wow

technocrat

wow

the link is interesting, one like one on the d.c.imc about 2 months ago..So?..what does that have to do with your downgrading of established characters around here?

You may mean to imply that THEY are taking over, so watch out, or you may mean that YOU are as superior as you think and, of course, time to DIRECT things your way; or somethin els altogether...

good luck in your presumed quasi-superiority

> you may mean that YOU

NO - it's IMC charter

i spec the socialists come rollin in is the new theme song?

Arguing with me or IMC's own charter ?

What - that's NOT IMC's charter ?



And you know it just struck me - you seem to be losing the power of speech for some reason.

If you've got something to say just spit it out

I'm simply questioning your methods, not your "anything else" or IMCs charter. simple...to rephrase my original argument---Why do you make a point of chastising characters, you believe to be Trolls, based on_______?

based on_______?

violating IMC's charter

who could possibly be defending kobe (which seems to have disappeared since thier group photo was posted hahaa. threatened to take down this IMC and/or replace it and/or spoof a fake one and who threatens liberals - IMC patrons... (a right-wing hate monger)

And fresca who continually regurgatates the same dogma being a constant irritation to the same people ?

Somehow it's improper to lay these cards on the table because - why ?

"And fresca who continually regurgatates the same dogma being a constant irritation to the same people ?"

Of course anything that upsets your flop of an idealogy is dogma right? Spoken like the true fascist that evry leftist is. "Think like me" or it's thoughtcrime.

Hex whatever...you are a true lightwieght. Utterly irrelevant and ultimately another ill-informed figure of fun.

You have no idea what my views are because this is not a forum for that. This is simply a place where the conspiracy theory addled and the lemming like shills of the left come to be mocked and hopefully taught.

that's weird - this part

"your flop of an idealogy"

answers this part

"You have no idea what my views are"



a self-contained self-neutralizing argument decorated with rhetoric and insults.

Unfortunately I'm correct and I've been ghosting your views for quite some time so I have your own words direct quotes at my fingertips to prove unless of course you're admitting you're a liar now, either way I've got you but I say we should just put the matter to a vote and if the majority say yea she should be a lady and duck out politely.

That is assuming of course we're dealing with a lady..

hex, hex, hex...beyond the fact that your grasp of logic is, let's just say, a little loose, your posts are filled with all manner of delusional gibberish.

Here's what we'll do. You stay camped out down there in your Mom's cellar, fantasizing about being "king of the board" and I'll check in every so often and feed you. Fair enough.

Now go organize all these quotes of mine you've catalogued. I can't say as though I'm not a little proud.

I would've thought you'd stay down after the KOBE guy trounced you but I guess you're a slow learner.

Logic - what would you know about logic ?

You can't even understand most of what I post about (hard sciences, technology)

And where is kobe ? And why is it you're speaking for him ? Could it be that "fresca" is nothing but a *mouthpiece* of kobe ?



Say it ain't so !

she has an EE degree ! !

or so I heard.

(keywords "electrical" "electronics" "engineering" "EE" "degree")

Well looking over the index of everything "she's" ever posted I see no evidence to support that.

Besides I do far more than electronics...

hmmm. odd, now someone's speaking for her too

played around in calabration, trouble shoooting, design and build.

nothing hairy. wrong impression. much funny.

she makes me laugh.

Who does "she" make you laugh at (considering all "she" does is insult people on here) ???

And you notice "she" refered to the newswire as a board.. NO actually it's a NEWS WIRE. (visions of IMC's charter are reappearing)

easy; lighten up, loosen up;

fresca is a very industrious poster. Content is usually hostile and with little to validate great quantities of, IMHO, racist and theistic hate and hypocrisy.

Now why are not you understanding that certain posters are not in serious analysis but disruption and distraction as the above mentioned poster habitually demonstrates. It also is in the habit of accusing the opponent of being a 'paid shill' which is classic "beam in your own eye" MO.

and yes, fresca and the many alter nicks is much loved.

> disruption and distraction

> and yes, fresca and the many alter nicks is much loved



Once more - loved by who ?

Who are these hordes of mysterious people who LOVE disruption and distraction ? Funny I don't see them...

It's nice to come back in from a fine day playing baseball (a bit hot though) and find that I've sparked so much conversation.

hecks, for what's it worth, you're getting very upset over nothing. You seem overly concerned about my apparent lack of "substantial" posts concerning the."issues". So be it. When there's an issue posted around here worthy of seriously commenting on and you and yours seem to be ready to hear an opposing view then I'll post one. After all, that's why I came here to begin with. But as of yet, it's just the same handful of conspiracy theories and bandwagonesque mantras from the hate authority crowd.

But please, by all means, keep bequiling me with your fancy tech talk which I couldn't possibly understand and keep the obsession moving along.

Oh and another thing, if you need to believe that I'm ALL the people who disagree with you rolled into one then you go right ahead and believe that lil' soldier.

I have a an EE degree and a Physics degree from Penn State. As soon as I got them, however, I moved here and never used them. I lost all interest.

All I ever wanted was to be a rockstar or a baseball player.

Neither of which happened. Oh well, I gave them a shot.

> I have a an EE degree and a Physics degree

> your fancy tech talk which I couldn't possibly understand



ah ha. I see. Well there would be much more useful news on this newswire if the people who post it didn't get drawn into your "disruption and distraction" games. Now since technology leaves you cold (even with those degrees - how odd) I guess we'll just start mirroring technology-related news posts from the main site where quite *constructive* discussions take place and people *give thanks for them* which it just so happens are void of name-calling/game-playing and so the real reason stands out why they aren't your cup of tea as it were.



> if you need to believe that I'm ALL the people who disagree with you rolled into one



I've yet to see any regular on here who actually posts news say one word (as this wire has a serious problem with unstable handles) only 2 new handles so far popped up (johnny fishy and dude) while kobe has disappeared. So while a person can feel free to post anything using any handle (the implications being you're really a useful troll and people much like you as a troll) there's yet to be anything solid or concrete - anyone willing to really stand up (as a known person on here) and say anything supporting YOU. But the effects and damage caused by such trolls as yourself is well established not to mention the charter...

Then again no-one's ever denied it either. So with your record standing on it's own with real news sweeping the wire and kobe gone I have a simple question - where does that leave you ?

Where does that leave me? Well I'll tell you.

Given that your rambling is as interesting and compelling as watching paint dry, and about as enlightening it leaves me here wondering just what I might need to do to get a bit more break on my curveball next Sunday.

If you can chime in on that I'd much appreciate it. I mean, if you'll stoop so low as to help a "shill" like myself.

So if you're not involved in being distracting and disruptive (name calling, the yes you did, no I didn't endless circle) then it's non-interesting.

Well that's a good thing, since trolls aren't interested in real news then it leaves you right where you said - at a ball game away from here. Where I'm sure you'll find more "interesting" things to do...

"So if you're not involved in being distracting and disruptive (name calling, the yes you did, no I didn't endless circle) then it's non-interesting. "

No. I'm not interested in petty gibberish from people like you.

In fact, it occurs to me that I've yet to see you post anything about any news story. At least under this particular hex handle. And I've yet to see you chastise any of the many spammers who target non-leftist members.

You seem to be rather hypocritical and devoid of substantial insight.

So, yes, I do find you unintersting, yet batting you around is very amusing.

They scare him......

:)

how nice to see the insertion into the conflict team safely if crudely onto the surface of this NewsWire. We'll wait.

to - Rational Normal Person



http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=342713&group=webcast

That's just one example of a quite nice thread.. You're right though - I haven't even begun. Right now we're just doing a little house cleaning...

Yes if fresca with his EE and physics degree had even a slight interest in EE or physics he would have been checking those threads out and would'nt be talking out of his ass now..

But then that's par for the course isn't it

See you at the ball game !

I got a couple of hours to waste while I am doing some really technical thingies on another computer. Got to answer really difficult questions and hit OK about every five minutes so I am stuck doing nothing but this..

Hex, what is YOUR excuse?

Nope, it does not STAY ON TOPIC does it?

""I just went over the PR documents and technical data of these Radio Frequency IDentification tags and I'm scared""

TO:-

""ScramDisk is a virtual disk encryption program that runs under Windows 95 & 98 and provides a number of 'high security' ciphers including 3DES, Blowfish and IDEA ... ""

Oh well.....

I'm mostly busy doing many other things (from circuits to taking care of animals to researching other web sites) and often don't even get to this site. As you, I happen to have a block of time fairly free at the moment (sunday night after all)

Most weekends from Friday afternoon to Sunday during the day I'm tied up. That "billder" and "omega" get by with posting crap on the main IMC quite often, although this weekend I did get on there a bit.

On the main site there's several regulars and some moderators that try to keep things pretty clean (as far as the number of trash posts go) and people like fresca wouldn't stand a chance on there - try it and see.

This only goes on here due to lack of support. Some readers consider it thier responsibility to correct dis/mis-information, lies and wasteful trolling posts. I've found over a period of time it can have a real impact on the number of susch posts and in fact moderation becomes rather rare (especially when you compare to some other IMC's that either do virtually nothing or are heavy-handed about it, this effort doesn't really save any time or energy - the site becomes dependent on this.. We've found that a group of regulars *simply by pointing out the lies and games* can greatly cut down on this problem.

LA-IMC is a nice site. It's quality and number of posts could really go up with just a little effort as above - spread out among a handful of regulars just like

http://www.indymedia.org/front.php3

has successfully done.

I've yet to see the operator/staff post any announcement saying he does NOT want more & better *real news posts* and people fact finding and checking, with everyone gleaning the very best the web community has to offer (which is what happens - this is exactly what the intent of the comments section of the newswire is for)

The example URL I gave is a perfect example of it..

If a non-technical person is not interested in technical subjects that's fine, but at least the info is there and represents people who are's bet effort to bring the dangers of tech to light, and there's no name calling and bickering. Fresca only engages in this activity, when facts are presented denial and more games follow. Obviously he likes playing games.. However the newswire is not the place for such games.

So you agree that IMC is more of a "Chat room" than a "newswire" such as Associated Press or Reuters.

Even Yahoo posts "NEWS" and then links to discussions inspired by that news.

la-imc is a chat room, so is sf-imc.

Totally off topic... you never worked with RFID tags have you????

Where other than IMC have you really discussed them?

"Rational Normal Person" is a troll associated with KOBE (i.e. George Bullock). "Rational Normal Person" spends her time online harassing leftists, spewing vile hate about Arabs and Muslims, and reporting dissidents to the FBI. "Rational Normal Person" is neither rational nor normal. Don't waste your time responding to this troll.

Have you worked with RFID tags?

I am glad you now realise I am not George Bullock.

:)

> Nope, it does not STAY ON TOPIC does it?

A couple of points.

1.) No one objected to it staying on topic

2.) The thread was old before the first off-topic question was raised (so old in fact that I didn't even notice it for a few days)

check the timestamps to see

3.) I started the thread. I would have been the first person to object and I didn't because the thread was "dead" by then and

4.) we have a tiny bit of a problem with randY - not really IMC but with some of the regulars, his posts and ideas tend to be a bit - well let's just say in-experienced.. If you check out his zeda website you'll see what I mean. In this already dead thread I decided to answer him in order to show him a more practical way of doing what he brought up, plus a few details that flaw his idea.

Still constructive dialog, still no name calling or other BS...

I've been watching YOU too "Rational Normal Person" and I can't say I have a high opinion of your tactics and attitudes "trouble maker" would be a good single word label if I were to apply one.. I take notice of the threads certain people (whom I have my eye on) post in and the pattern is of the name calling, endless debate type threads in favor of more constructive and informative threads...

So considering this and the fact that you've failed to post any good threads yourself, you're not exactly in a position to be critical of threads or people who post them especially when you don't know the dynamics of the situation - unless of course you're just trying to stir up trouble.. (which is all I've ever seen you do)

If you have threads where you do/did do some good post the URL's and I'll read them and retract my charge..

I bet you didn't did you?

So you have monitoring "ME"?? "I've been watching YOU too "Rational Normal Person" and I can't say I have a high opinion of your tactics and attitudes "trouble maker" would be a good single word label if I were to apply one.. I take notice of the threads certain people (whom I have my eye on) post in and the pattern is of the name calling, endless debate type threads in favor of more constructive and informative threads... ""

Because I say you know SQUAT about RFID capabilities I am now labeled as a "trouble maker"

The proper term is ANARCHIST!!!!!!

"Yes if fresca with his EE and physics degree had even a slight interest in EE or physics he would have been checking those threads out and would'nt be talking out of his ass now.. "

First of all, I'm not at all interested on a technical level. my degrees are something I accomplished and my interests have long since moved on.

Furthermore, having read the thread you linked to, I can't say I'm all that interested in it on a "societal threat" level either. I can see that you are and hats off to you. Me, I'm just not that threatened or concerned by it.

So, does that mean that I couldn't possibly have these degrees?

> Rational Normal Person" spends her time online harassing leftists, spewing vile hate about Arabs and Muslims, and reporting dissidents to the FBI.

Yes cut from the same cloth as fresca but I wanted to give her a chance to dazzle us with her contributions before I drove that point home - you beat me to it.. It's good to know there really are some rational normal people on here ! (I've been ghosting for awhile, also seen RNP's posts on the main IMC doing the same games, but generally she gets nowhere since there's a group of regulars that refute her)

I have direct personal experience in electronics, chemistry, microbiology, particle physics and religion (as subjects of private study to life-long work)

Electronics is a very broad field from analog/RF to digital to radio/video - just about anything electronic..

It would be fair to say I'm an "expert" in this field (although I don't like that label)

Basicly I'm an inventor/designer and scientist (some people would say mad scientist)

The thread describes my experiences with RFID tags..

chat is OK as long as it's civil - when the names start flying people start complaining and it makes the whole IMC network look bad since it's getting too far away from it's charter of news and constructive comments on the news..

This is common sense..

"Rational Normal Person" is a seriously deluded paranoid schizophrenic with delusions of grandure. She used to post as KOBE HQ. I have a copy of her ramblings in a chat room of KOBE. This low life is certifiably insane.

This THREAD KILLER was really me....

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/07/74230_comment.php

OK... what is anarchism in 2003

by Rational Normal Person Tuesday August 05, 2003 04:11 PM

What is the goal?

What will change?

how will it affect me?

TELL US and I may vote for it!

Notice there were NO REPLIES after that.

I read it the first time and I just read it again. It's full of false assertions about anarchists, generalizations that you pulled out of your ass, and a layers of presumptions, all false, about what kind of people become anarchists, why they become anarchists, and what they hope to achieve.

If you are a libertarian, you are a very poor example of a libertarian. You spend your time online libeling and harassing people simply because you disagree with their beliefs. You are as much a libertarian as Hitler was a libertarian - nada.

That's fine that you're not interested and don't consider the dirt we've dug up a threat - no one has any problems with what interests or doesn't interest you EXCEPT what does interest you is circular arguments and lying in the face of facts. I showed you the resolution dated sept 4'th 2001 and yet it's been ignored while your claim of this fact being tired/silly was not retracted..

This get's to the meat of the issue - it not constructive to be wasting yours and other people's time playing games when the world is passing us by - as real news with real facts moves on..

And since this is a NEWS WIRE, it does nothing positive here (unless we count feeding whatever that dysfunctional personal problem is you hold)



> does that mean that I couldn't possibly have these degrees

Post a scan of the degree as a GIF or point us to the URL where we can see.

Failing that - with nothing to support the claim (even interest) it holds little water (as if it mattered anyway)

I could test you - this late at night Sunday you would be hard pressed to come up with the answers outside of knowing them and typing them yourself. I can.

I've seen this game played before. on-line a person can claim anything. Liars especially love to do so..

"Rational Normal Person" isn't worth a thought. Ignore the mentally disturbed, emotionally hobbled, and ethically void bitch.

By the way, I didn't START the thread I quoted, I just asked some simple questions on it that the "resistance" could not answer.

Sleep well Steve. Dream of Tuesday!!!

O'Brien,

This is a different subject.

A while back you mentioned that nessie at SF-IMC was, I can't remember your exact words, but you basically said he was a plant, a traitor to anarchy, something about him not getting arrested at the "Take the Bridge" event in SF a year ago, something about him invoking the name of God in a speech he made.

I'm interested. Tell me more. A lot more.

> A while back you mentioned that nessie

I could give you an earful on him. (he was one of my subjects before when he used to post on the main IMC)

I'm off to bed and read (a little Steinbeck tonight) but I'll answer you a few more questions.

Look, I've no doubt that you sincerely care about the things you claim to be passionate about. Great. What makes you such an ass (at least your online persona) is your arrogant belief that anyone who would disagree with you or not share your interests is somehow an evil "right wing shill". Whatever. People like you come and go around here and you've probably been here under other names already.

As far as whether my degree is real or not, I couldn't care less what you believe. But you'll receive no proof. Besides, as I've never worked in the fields to speak of, I'm sure I'd fail about any test. But thanks for pointing out the BIG FACT of the internet. It's full of lies. Lies and conspiracies and delusions. Whatreallyhappened, rense ( I'm sure there are plenty right wing nut sites as well)etc. All crap. None of it worth the effort it takes to c and p.

And as far as your smoking gun document of 9-4-01. So what? So a group of people got together and wanted to claim that Israel was racist? So what? Until those same people start making claims about the arabs who have given everything to hating all jews and chritians and Hindus and Americans it'll all be just so much transparent racist bullshit.

(A while back you mentioned that nessie at SF-IMC was, I can't remember your exact words, but you basically said he was a plant, a traitor to anarchy, something about him not getting arrested at the "Take the Bridge" event in SF a year ago, something about him invoking the name of God in a speech he made.

I'm interested. Tell me more. A lot more.)

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Many detractors because he ****s sheep, worships the devil and pulls the wings off kittens.

The Nessie files.

If it sounds like nessie, it might just be nessie.

Black ops has a rich history and to read more...

http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/

> And as far as your smoking gun document of 9-4-01. So what? So a group of people got together and wanted to claim that Israel was racist? So what?



The UN resolution where every country excepting israel and the US reached agreement (along with 3,000 NGO's) that as a *statement of fact* after looking at all the evidence (and this isn't the first time either 242 and several others reached the same judgement)

So what. International law & order ignored then when the oppressed resort to war and you have the gall to ASK WHY and ACT SUPRISED.

CIRCULAR LOGIC - again, as usual. This is all we ever see, sweeping aside the FACTS while forwarding delutional fantasy for personal pleasure at the expense of IMC and everyone who supports it.



"you've prob been on here under other handles too" - the ol' "well your just as bad as me" game...

Actualy NO you're wrong. I don't have time for such games and I'm not inclined to be dis-honest. Speak for yourself..



do a search on the main site for "hex anon" (alone, with the "w/encryption" part the search returns nothing for some reason)

and you'll see tons of (mostly comments) going back years.

as we all know.

But I had fun typing all that crap.

>And it means nothing

>by Hex anon w/ encryption Sunday September 07, >2003 02:32 PM

>as we all know.

>But I had fun typing all that crap



Whoops - you just ran out of steam. So now the spoofing begins...

I have creative ways to validate my posts if this continues.

So whoever you are quit trying to be me.

You are messing with the wrong person.

use key 3b to decode.

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It decodes to (using the PGP key 3b he sent me)



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NANCY'S HOMEMADE JEWISH CHICKEN SOUP

Good for What Ails You

Ingredients

1 chicken, at least 3 - 4 pounds, cut up into 8 or 9 pieces

1 tablespoon of salt, more to taste

some pepper

bunch of parsley

bunch of dill

bunch of celery

1 ½ - 2 pounds of carrots

1 ½ - 2 pounds of onions

2 or 3 parsnips are nice too, but not required

lots of water



Directions

1. Put cleaned chicken in the bottom of a large pot.

2. Cover the chicken with water and add salt. Your pot should be less than two-thirds full.

3. Bring to a full boil over high heat. Skim off any foam that may develop, preferably into a fat skimmer. Throw out the foam, but put the water back into the soup pot.

4. Add the pepper and all the parsley and dill. Also add the heart, the leaves, and a few stalks of the celery.

5. Cut about ¼ of the carrots & onions into chunks. Also one of the parsnips if you're using them.

6. Add the chopped carrots, etc.

7. Slowly boil all this for as long as you can bear it. Three hours is ideal. Two will do. Add extra water as needed to keep the pot around two-thirds full. If you have a fat skimmer, repeatedly skim off the fat that comes to the top. If you don't, before the soup can be eaten, you'll have to leave it in the refrigerator for quite some time (probably over night), until the fat on top solidifies and can be lifted off. If you have no room in the fridge, the trunk of your car will work, assuming it's cold outside.

8. After the stock has cooked for two to three hours, turn off the heat. Then carefully remove everything from the liquid, placing it all in a colander that's sitting in a big bowl. The stock should go back into the soup pot. The chicken, vegetables, and herbs should be left to cool for about half an hour.

9. In the meantime, dice up lots of celery and the remaining carrots and onions. Parsnips too, if you're using them. If you're going to make matzoh balls, prepare and refrigerate them -- batter recipe follows.

10. Bring the soup back to a boil and add the chopped vegetables. Cook for about half an hour more. At the same time, add pieces of chicken to the pot, completely boning the chicken as you go along. (The vegetables used in making the stock can be eaten as is, chopped and added to the soup, put in your compost pile, or just thrown out.)

11. Check the seasoning. You'll probably want to add more salt and pepper. Then add the matzoh balls and cover the pot.

12. Turn the matzoh balls occasionally, and cook for another 30 minutes or so. The soup will be delicious its first day - and better the next. Store any leftover soup in the refrigerator. I store it right in the pot.



Matzoh Balls

These are delicious, not required, and certainly the least healthy part of the soup. You can use noodles or rice instead. If you do go for the matzoh balls, cook them separately and add to each bowl as you serve. Since the soup is so thick, it's also fine without a starch.

Ingredients

4 tablespoons of melted chicken fat (or use vegetable oil to cut down on cholesterol)

4 large eggs (I use jumbos)

1 cup matzoh meal (Add ¼ cup more if you like them hard; use ¼ cup less for airy balls. We prefer the harder ones.)

1 teaspoon salt

4 tablespoons of soup stock



Directions

1. Beat the eggs slightly and then add the fat. Mix well.

2. Add the matzoh meal and the salt. Mix well.

3. Add the soup stock. Again mix well.

4. Refrigerate for ½ hour or more.

5. About 45 minutes before the soup is to be served, form little matzoh balls and drop them into the pot of boiling water. You should end up with about 8 to 10 balls. Keep the pot covered as the matzoh balls cook, and turn them a couple of times.

Well now we see exactly how far facts get.

First they are denied, then when you post them they are swept aside "so what", in the completion of the circle the exact same lies are brought up again.

Once the fact that the circle has completed is shown other games start. In the space of a matter of days I've progressed from being unknown to a threat worth spoofing. Now look at the direction this discussion was going, looking at who I pointed out, what was mentioned, who's been a part of it this late Sunday night...

As you can see, there's a pattern. This pattern has remained unchanged from quite awhile back. there's several aspects to it but there's an overall "MO".

What these book worms didn't realize is that due to thier lack of social skills (to put it politely) they have a pattern that gives them away. Playing off from one of them to another cross-spoofing makes it more diffuse and gives what appears as multible personality disorder however that can be flagged too. Once the dirt came in the puzzle was complete. A little homework followed by some footwork sealed the case.

At each turn more details will be revealed making the cost of the game eventually too high to continue playing. The disappearance of favored screen handles was the first part of the pull-out...

OK, now see if you can spoof me - continue this subject.

Not "multible" but mulitple

And it took you 11 minutes to come up with that ?

To even get my (mis)spelling style down you would have to train a spell-checker using my old posts.. Is it worth the effort ?

Then since I have highly creative and original thoughts you can't spoof the context or theme of my posts either by prediction or by older posts. It's a tempting possibility and people have tried it in the past but it's always failed for the reasons I just stated.



If I was a person who relied upon external sources to paste from, who really didn't have much of a personality or "inner-self" (like you) it would be easy. And that's the trouble with shallow plastic people, they see the world through the eyes of shallowness. The richness and depth of a deeper existance escapes them. Such are the people who spend thier time "disrupting and distracting" other's for the mere fun of it.

Earlier you said...

""I've been watching YOU too "Rational Normal Person" and I can't say I have a high opinion of your tactics and attitudes "trouble maker" would be a good single word label if I were to apply one.. I take notice of the threads certain people (whom I have my eye on) post in and the pattern is of the name calling, endless debate type threads in favor of more constructive and informative threads... ""

Yeah you have been watching me, 90% of the posts you watched have not been posted by me......

POINT MADE I THINK!

You've never put out any effort to prevent or abate the problem yet now you run for cover under it ?

Well you've proven one thing at least - you're a spoofing liar..

What can I do on here? Who do I cry to because someone used "my" name?

Nobody is registered, this is ANARCHY!

We do as we want to on here.



You are pissed because I used Hex anon w/ encryption well so what, live with it...

> What can I do on here?

Yes exactly - what DO you do on here ? Since all you do in the first place is paste BS and go in circles, play games and lie - hell anyone can do that...

If every post is different - if you never post the same thing twice - if you can see things in alternate perspectives and put things in different ways using different words yet meaning the same thing..

(in other words if you're creative and original) it's not POSSIBLE for anyone to spoof you - as I showed.

"What can I do ?" You can be a real person insted of some shallow screen jerk who gets off by playing games, lying and starting trouble.

But inted I see you're still at it.. Doing what you do best..

"Not "multible" but mulitple "

His spelling notwithstanding, we have ourselves a real winner here.

This one is straight from the nuthouse.

But don't mess with him!

Mad scientist. Science. Technology. High tech. Very high tech. Something I know you're not interested in - to your own peril I'm afraid...