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by AnarchistFORever
Saturday, Jun. 07, 2003 at 8:20 PM
New Al Jazeera English Web site Online Now-New sfrom Iraq and the Middle East.
by Gimme a break
Saturday, Jun. 07, 2003 at 8:53 PM
This site is BS. Under US governmental control, it's just another propaganda mouthpiece for the US political-economic agenda.
by Susie Dow
Sunday, Jun. 08, 2003 at 3:40 AM
blogistonpost@yahoo.com
The new English language site for Al Jazeera has not been launched.
http://english.aljazeera.net/
The link in the post above is to the old site from during April which is still up and running. Content just not updated.
You can access Arabic Al Jazeera thru the translation portal Ajeeb. It starts at $15 per month for 30,000 words of translation. 30K is not much as an average page is usually 3-4K so if you intend to read it often, you may want to choose one of the larger packages they offer.
http://tarjim.ajeeb.com/ajeeb/default.asp?lang=1
The translation site works fairly well but can freeze up or not translate a complete page. Some articles translate more easily than others. If you view the AJ site in Arabic, you can still see images.
Ajeeb also includes links to other popular sites in Arabic that can also be translated into English.
Al Jazeera in Arabic is at: http://www.aljazeera.net/
blogistonpost.blogspot.com/
by Binky
Sunday, Jun. 08, 2003 at 11:59 AM
How would you react if I wrote "who would want to read Hebrew bullshit badly translated into English?"
You are a racist. In fact, since Arabs are Semites, you are an anti-Semite.
by Omar
Sunday, Jun. 08, 2003 at 6:21 PM
If u want to read bullshit read Bush Admirer's comments
by Bush Admirer
Sunday, Jun. 08, 2003 at 8:56 PM
Omar and Binky
One of the hardest things to understand about liberals and the Middle East is why they are in denial where the truth is concerned. You two are typical.
The truth is that Yasser Arafat was, is, and always will be a terrorist. The Palestinian leadership has supported terrorists such as Hamas and Islamic Jahad for decades.
Israel is a successful country with no interest whatsoever in terrorizing Palestinians. They simply want to be left alone.
The real problem over there is that the Israelis are successful people and they've built a successful country. TelAviv looks a lot like San Diego, whereas the Palestinian urban areas look more like Tijuana.
The Palestinians are held back by outmoded religious beliefs and racist hate for the Jews.
Israel has no choice but to fight as they are constantly being attacked.
The Arab side is completely unreasonable. Supporting them is morally wrong.
by Binky
Sunday, Jun. 08, 2003 at 9:17 PM
Nothing you have stated stands up to an inspection. Israel is NOT a successful nation. Israel is dependent upon the United States and more so than all other recipients of foreign aid from the US combined! Israeli industry is the product of hand outs from the US. Israel does not want to be left alone and in peace. Quite the contrary, Israel wants the West Bank and Gaza. It also wants the water of the West Bank, Southern Lebanon, and Southern Syria. Israel's legal system is racist. It gives rights to Jews that it denies to Arabs. Israel prevents the Palestinian economy from functioning by dividing it up into small chunks, controlling movement betweent those chunks, and not allowing Palestine to trade directly with the outside world.
Now, you comment on Tijuana. What quality of the Mexicans do you blame for the status of Tijuana? Are Mexicans inferior to Americans? Is that what you are arguing?
It is interesting to note that the wealthiest subgroup in Central America is of Palestinian descent. Many Palestinians immigrated to Central America over the last 100 years. They are doing very well. Now, how do you explain the differences between these Palestinians and those under the thumb of the Israelis?
Face it, your whole argument is racist. You even assert that it is morally wrong to support Arabs. I can imagine Hitler stating that it is morally wrong to support Jews, after all, Aryans were his chosen race. In your case, the Jews are the chosen race (people).
by Bush Admirer
Sunday, Jun. 08, 2003 at 10:21 PM
Binky - you should be James Carville's understudy. You have real talent where spin doctoring is concerned.
Israel is quite successful as compared to any Arab country with the exception of the oil rich gulf states. You know it but you deny it. What's that about?
Of course Israel gives rights to Jews that it doesn't give to Arabs. They've been terrorized by Arabs for fifty years. Duh!
My comment re Tijuana is just an observation. I find San Diego considerably more developed and more successful than Tijuana. The same is true for Israel vs. any Arab country not blessed with oil wealth. Coult it be that the people of San Diego have achieved more than the people of Tijuana? Same question for Tel Aviv vs. Bethlehem.
The only racist in this discussion would be you. Your use of the term "Zionist" clearly identifies you as racist. Don't try to weave and bob -- admit it.
by Binky
Sunday, Jun. 08, 2003 at 10:41 PM
Well, in fact they are, after all, Zionism is a racist philosophy, so all Zionists are racists.
Tell me, when a Jew calls someone a Nazi, does that make the Jew a German hating racist?
If it does not, then where do you come off thinking that those critical of Zionism are against Jews? Anti-Zionists have no problem with Judaism. Zionism does not equal Judaism. Judaism predates Zionism by about 5000 years.
by bonnie
Friday, Jul. 18, 2003 at 10:25 PM
bonnierae123@hotmail
"Why go there"? You asked this question, saying that the Arabic sites contain bullshit information translated into bullshit english. Perhaps. But, pictures don't lie, not generally. The story of pictures is needed, taken from the perspective of the Iraqui's and from embedded allied journalists.The American press services also write a share of bullshit. In other words, we don't know when we are being lied to, nor do we know who is lying. I recommend reading "The Powers That Be".
Regards, Bonnie
by fresca
Saturday, Jul. 19, 2003 at 7:11 PM
"Zionism is a racist philosophy"
Please explain.
How is Zionism, which is defined as the belief that Jews should have a homeland, in any way racist?
Are homeowners racist?
Are American Indians who feel they deserve historical lands racist?
Are the "palestinians" who feel they deserve a homeland racist?
I'm guessing you'll, quite predictably, answer no.
by Archie Bunker
Sunday, Jul. 20, 2003 at 6:17 PM
to have people like Bush Admirer to tell us which sources are trustworthy and which are not. Who else would? Now that I have his approval, I feel like a new person. Thank you Bush Admirer !
by virus
Wednesday, Aug. 20, 2003 at 12:13 PM
its coming to a town near you
by tpfkamw
Wednesday, Aug. 20, 2003 at 5:18 PM
You America-haters must be wetting your pants with glee.
by ku
Thursday, Aug. 21, 2003 at 7:24 PM
http://www.aljazeera.net/ from what i hear around town, Al-Jazeera has a lot more credibility around the world than any major network in the USA
by tpfkamw
Friday, Aug. 22, 2003 at 11:48 AM
Mecca?
It's credible only if you buy into its central premise...that the Arab world can do no evil and the Western world can do no good.
Apparently you do.
by Trollhunter General
Friday, Aug. 22, 2003 at 12:20 PM
Some of the recent anti-Israel posts contained troll-like characteristics which resembles the type of message sent by spoiled ISM members on summer holiday, college students who have recently inhaled Noam Chomsky’s foul rantings, Adam Shapiro wannabes, Nazi sympathizers, or genuine Koranimals.
In order to prevent another thread being hijacked, and to send your message to the appropriate department for response (FOAD, GAZE, Go Away Gordon, or The Bus To Rachel Corrie’s Tomb Is Leaving - Be Sure You’re Under It), kindly reply to the following questions:
1. Are you aware that the Disputed Territories never belonged to the “Palestinians” and only came into Israeli possession as a result of the 1967 six day war in which Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon all massed forces at Israel’s border in order to “push the Jews into the sea”. The Arabs lost and Israel took control of the land. Do you agree that if the Koranimals don’t want to lose territory to Israel, then they shouldn’t start wars? Do you agree that there is justice that Israel, who as far back as 1948 has always sought peace with her far larger neighbors, should live in prosperity - making the desert bloom - while the residents of 19 adjacent Arab countries who are blessed with far more land as well as oil wealth live in their own feces?
2. Did you know that the “Palestinians” could have had their own country as far back as 1948 had they accepted the UN sponsored partition plan which gave Israel AND the Palestinians countries of their own on land which Jews had lived on for thousands of years before Mohammed ever had a wet dream about virgins? The Arabs rejected the UN offer and went to war with the infant Israeli nation. The Arabs lost and have been whining about it ever since. Do you agree this is like a murderer who kills his parents and asks for special treatment since he is now an orphan?
3. Can you tell us ANY Arab country which offers Jews the right to be citizens, vote, own property, businesses, be a part of the government or have ANY of the rights which Israeli Arabs enjoy? Any Arab country which gives those rights to Christians? How about to other Arabs? Wouldn’t you just LOVE to be a citizen of Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Iran, or Syria?
4. Since as many Jews (approximately 850,000) were kicked out of Arab countries as were Arabs who left present day Israel (despite being literally begged to stay), why should Arabs be permitted to return to Israel if Jews aren’t allowed to set foot in Arab countries? Can you explain why Arabs can worship freely in Israel but Jews would certainly be hung from street lamps after having their intestines devoured by an Arab mob if they so much as entered an Arab country?
5. Israel resettled and absorbed all of the Jews from Arab countries who wished to become Israelis. Why haven’t any Arab countries offered to resettle Arabs who were displaced from Israel, leaving them to rot for 60 years in squalid refugee camps? And why are those refugee camps still there? Could it be that the billions of dollars that the UNWRA has sent there goes to terrorist groups like Hamas, Islamic Jihad, El Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, or Hezbollah? How did Yassir Arafat achieve his $300 million in wealth? Why aren’t these funds distributed for humanitarian use?
6. Did you know that the Arabs in the disputed territories (conquered by Israel in the 1967 war which was started by Arabs) and who are not Israelis already have two countries right now? And that they are called Egypt and Jordan?
7. If your complaint is about the security fence which Israel is finally building in the Disputed Territories, are you aware that it is built solely to keep the “brave” Arab terrorists out so that they can no longer self detonate on busses, in dining halls or pizzerias and kill Jewish grandmothers and schoolchildren? Why are the Arabs so brave when they target unarmed civilians but even when they outnumber their opponents they get their sandy asses kicked all the way to Mecca when they are faced with Jewish soldiers? Why do Arab soldiers make the French look like super heroes?
8. Please explain why you are so concerned about Arabs, who possess 99% of the land in this region and are in control of the world’s greatest natural resource, which literally flows out of the ground? Can’t their brother muslims offer some of the surplus land and nature’s riches to the “Palestinians”? Or is it true that Arabs are willing to die right down to the last “Palestinian”?
9. Why do you not exhibit the same level of concern for say, people in Saudi Arabia who are beheaded, subject to amputation, stoning, honor killing etc.? What about women who are denied any semblance of basic civil rights, including the right not to be treated as property for the entertainment and abuse of her father, brothers, or husbands? What about the Muslims in Sudan and Egypt who are still enslaved, or the women there whose genitalia are barbarically cut off? How about the oppression of Shiites by Sunnis, the gassing of the Kurds by Iraq, or the massacre of “Palestinians” by Jordan (Black September)? Why doesn’t this concern you?
10. Did you ever stop to wonder how much better off everyone in the region would be if Arabs stopped trying to kill Jews and destroy Israel? What would happen if the Israelis gave up their weapons and disarmed? Would they live to see the next day? But what would happen if the Arabs completely disarmed? You know the answer: They would all be AT PEACE! And if there is no war to rile them up, the Arabs would be forced to look at their own repressive, pre-medieval societies. Why would they want to do that when there are Jews to kill?
11. Have you heard “People who define themselves primarily by what they hate, rather than who they love, are doomed to failure and misery”? Can you see the parallels to the Arabs, who are blessed with land and oil, but still gladly train their children to kill themselves in order to kill Jews? Have you heard Golda Meir’s words to the effect of “There will be peace when the Arabs love their children more than they hate ours”? Why do the Arabs hate so much?
Please state your answers to the questions listed above. If you need assistance or require additional study, then please refer to the following links:
History of the Middle East Conflict:
http://www.infoclick.org/conflict.html
Thousands of women killed for honor:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/02/0212_020212_honorkilling.html
Muslims lament Israel’s existence:
http://www.iht.com/articles/98479.html
Disputed Territories – Forgotten Facts
http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/go.asp?MFAH0n1m0
The size of Israel compared to neighboring countries in the region
http://www.iris.org.il/sizemaps.htm#index
Jews expelled from Arab Countries
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/PrinterFull&cid=1056508742342
One Million Jews flee Arab countries – why no right of return for them?
http://www.forgottenexodus.com/
Middle East Facts
http://yashiko.middleeastfacts.com/
Middle East Truth
http://www.mideasttruth.com/
Larry Miller on Hypocrisy
http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/161yaihr.asp
Please respond to the items listed above.Should your answers be worth consideration, a thoughtful reply or instruction on how to FOAD will be provided.
Thank you for your attention.
Signed,
Troll Early Warning Detection Team
by fresca
Friday, Aug. 22, 2003 at 12:53 PM
Trollhunter -
Now that was an excellent post.
I'm saving that one.
Thanks.
by tpfkamw
Friday, Aug. 22, 2003 at 12:59 PM
Excellent work. I'm saving it too, because its days are definitely numbered here at Jew-Hate Central...I mean, la-imc.
by Ralph
Saturday, Aug. 23, 2003 at 1:34 AM
Let me summarize the last postings:
Trollhunter takes a big, greasy, steamy dump.
Smelling the aromas of the food she depends on, fresca is of course the first one to feast on the treat.
Tpfwhatever, who wouldn't miss a bite of fresh excrement, utters a pseudo-profound something before tunneling in his new dwelling.
And finally bush admirer, perhaps due to his old age (who still uses the "Bingo" exclamation these days?), arrives last to lay eggs in it. Content to have finally spawned at the end of its little fascist life cycle, it pompously burps a congratulation thinking the world revolves around his approvals.
Ralph grabs the pressure washer and blasts the entire disgusting pile in the gutter where it belongs.
Next time, clean after yourself, troll.
by fresca
Saturday, Aug. 23, 2003 at 3:59 AM
Some of the recent anti-Israel posts contained troll-like characteristics which resembles the type of message sent by spoiled ISM members on summer holiday, college students who have recently inhaled Noam Chomsky’s foul rantings, Adam Shapiro wannabes, Nazi sympathizers, or genuine Koranimals.
In order to prevent another thread being hijacked, and to send your message to the appropriate department for response (FOAD, GAZE, Go Away Gordon, or The Bus To Rachel Corrie’s Tomb Is Leaving - Be Sure You’re Under It), kindly reply to the following questions:
1. Are you aware that the Disputed Territories never belonged to the “Palestinians” and only came into Israeli possession as a result of the 1967 six day war in which Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon all massed forces at Israel’s border in order to “push the Jews into the sea”. The Arabs lost and Israel took control of the land. Do you agree that if the Koranimals don’t want to lose territory to Israel, then they shouldn’t start wars? Do you agree that there is justice that Israel, who as far back as 1948 has always sought peace with her far larger neighbors, should live in prosperity - making the desert bloom - while the residents of 19 adjacent Arab countries who are blessed with far more land as well as oil wealth live in their own feces?
2. Did you know that the “Palestinians” could have had their own country as far back as 1948 had they accepted the UN sponsored partition plan which gave Israel AND the Palestinians countries of their own on land which Jews had lived on for thousands of years before Mohammed ever had a wet dream about virgins? The Arabs rejected the UN offer and went to war with the infant Israeli nation. The Arabs lost and have been whining about it ever since. Do you agree this is like a murderer who kills his parents and asks for special treatment since he is now an orphan?
3. Can you tell us ANY Arab country which offers Jews the right to be citizens, vote, own property, businesses, be a part of the government or have ANY of the rights which Israeli Arabs enjoy? Any Arab country which gives those rights to Christians? How about to other Arabs? Wouldn’t you just LOVE to be a citizen of Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Iran, or Syria?
4. Since as many Jews (approximately 850,000) were kicked out of Arab countries as were Arabs who left present day Israel (despite being literally begged to stay), why should Arabs be permitted to return to Israel if Jews aren’t allowed to set foot in Arab countries? Can you explain why Arabs can worship freely in Israel but Jews would certainly be hung from street lamps after having their intestines devoured by an Arab mob if they so much as entered an Arab country?
5. Israel resettled and absorbed all of the Jews from Arab countries who wished to become Israelis. Why haven’t any Arab countries offered to resettle Arabs who were displaced from Israel, leaving them to rot for 60 years in squalid refugee camps? And why are those refugee camps still there? Could it be that the billions of dollars that the UNWRA has sent there goes to terrorist groups like Hamas, Islamic Jihad, El Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, or Hezbollah? How did Yassir Arafat achieve his $300 million in wealth? Why aren’t these funds distributed for humanitarian use?
6. Did you know that the Arabs in the disputed territories (conquered by Israel in the 1967 war which was started by Arabs) and who are not Israelis already have two countries right now? And that they are called Egypt and Jordan?
7. If your complaint is about the security fence which Israel is finally building in the Disputed Territories, are you aware that it is built solely to keep the “brave” Arab terrorists out so that they can no longer self detonate on busses, in dining halls or pizzerias and kill Jewish grandmothers and schoolchildren? Why are the Arabs so brave when they target unarmed civilians but even when they outnumber their opponents they get their sandy asses kicked all the way to Mecca when they are faced with Jewish soldiers? Why do Arab soldiers make the French look like super heroes?
8. Please explain why you are so concerned about Arabs, who possess 99% of the land in this region and are in control of the world’s greatest natural resource, which literally flows out of the ground? Can’t their brother muslims offer some of the surplus land and nature’s riches to the “Palestinians”? Or is it true that Arabs are willing to die right down to the last “Palestinian”?
9. Why do you not exhibit the same level of concern for say, people in Saudi Arabia who are beheaded, subject to amputation, stoning, honor killing etc.? What about women who are denied any semblance of basic civil rights, including the right not to be treated as property for the entertainment and abuse of her father, brothers, or husbands? What about the Muslims in Sudan and Egypt who are still enslaved, or the women there whose genitalia are barbarically cut off? How about the oppression of Shiites by Sunnis, the gassing of the Kurds by Iraq, or the massacre of “Palestinians” by Jordan (Black September)? Why doesn’t this concern you?
10. Did you ever stop to wonder how much better off everyone in the region would be if Arabs stopped trying to kill Jews and destroy Israel? What would happen if the Israelis gave up their weapons and disarmed? Would they live to see the next day? But what would happen if the Arabs completely disarmed? You know the answer: They would all be AT PEACE! And if there is no war to rile them up, the Arabs would be forced to look at their own repressive, pre-medieval societies. Why would they want to do that when there are Jews to kill?
11. Have you heard “People who define themselves primarily by what they hate, rather than who they love, are doomed to failure and misery”? Can you see the parallels to the Arabs, who are blessed with land and oil, but still gladly train their children to kill themselves in order to kill Jews? Have you heard Golda Meir’s words to the effect of “There will be peace when the Arabs love their children more than they hate ours”? Why do the Arabs hate so much?
Please state your answers to the questions listed above. If you need assistance or require additional study, then please refer to the following links:
History of the Middle East Conflict:
http://www.infoclick.org/conflict.html
Thousands of women killed for honor:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/02/0212_020212_honorkilling.html
Muslims lament Israel’s existence:
http://www.iht.com/articles/98479.html
Disputed Territories – Forgotten Facts
http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/go.asp?MFAH0n1m0
The size of Israel compared to neighboring countries in the region
http://www.iris.org.il/sizemaps.htm#index
Jews expelled from Arab Countries
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/A/JPArticle/PrinterFull&cid=1056508742342
One Million Jews flee Arab countries – why no right of return for them?
http://www.forgottenexodus.com/
Middle East Facts
http://yashiko.middleeastfacts.com/
Middle East Truth
http://www.mideasttruth.com/
Larry Miller on Hypocrisy
http://weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/161yaihr.asp
Please respond to the items listed above.Should your answers be worth consideration, a thoughtful reply or instruction on how to FOAD will be provided.
Thank you for your attention.
Signed,
Troll Early Warning Detection Team
by yes
Saturday, Aug. 23, 2003 at 10:53 AM
--Have you heard “People who define themselves primarily by what they hate, rather than who they love, are doomed to failure and misery”?--
It also applies to the leftist/anarchists at this site. They are constantly complaining about all the things they hate, but never offer anything as a realistic alternative.
by smashtheleft
Tuesday, Aug. 26, 2003 at 1:57 PM
"What a guy - his only debate tool is the insult."
If that were indeed true, he would be a conservative like us.
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