Don't be fooled by joyous scenes, says refugee

April 11 2003, 4:39 PM



Scenes of joyous Baghdad residents welcoming United States soldiers gave a misleading impression of how Iraqis felt about the US, an Iraqi refugee said today.

Renwar Reben said the war was between two enemies of the Iraqi people - Saddam Hussein's regime and the US, which backed brutal regimes in Baghdad for 35 years.

"The next chapter is going to be a conflict between the Iraqi people and the invaders, the pro-American regime in Iraq," Dr Reben told reporters.

"Sooner or later, the Americans will face the revolutionary anger and aggressiveness of the Iraqi people."

Dr Reben said Iraqis believed the US was behind the Iran-Iraq war and the first Gulf War.

"Iraqis also know America supported Saddam Hussein's use of a biological bomb against Kurds in 1988.

"At that time, (former president) George Bush, the father (of the current US president), vetoed against condemnation of Iraq for these actions."

Iraqis also blamed the US for the suffering endured over the last 13 years because of UN economic sanctions.

"Five thousand children died each month because of lack of medication and lack of sanitation."

Dr Reben was speaking ahead of this weekend's Palm Sunday march, whose key aim this year will be to raise funds for the rebuilding of post-war Iraq.

"This first stage may mean the coalition of the willing has won the war but we have great concerns about whether they're able to achieve a winning of the peace," NSW Greens MP Ian Cohen told reporters.

Peter Jennings, executive officer of the union movement's overseas aid wing APHEDA, said Iraq cannot be neglected.

"On Palm Sunday, we have to raise our voices and say `the war's finished ... the hard work now starts," he told reporters.

"We don't want Iraq to become like Afghanistan, a wilderness."

Australia helped destroy Iraq, so it was up to Australians to help rebuild it, he said.

Colleen Hodge, education manager for the National Council of Churches, said a joint appeal had been launched with Muslim aid groups.

"(This is) to demonstrate our willingness to work together as people of faith and our shared commitment for peace, particularly at this time in Iraq and the rest of the Middle East."

AAP

Viva La Resistance'!

Where's the URL?

...MaxiePad has learned a new trick to avoid having to engage the substance.

>Australia helped destroy Iraq, so it was up to Australians to help rebuild it, he said.

Silly man. He confused Australia with the Baath Party.

...that you haven't done one of your selective editing jobs on the text?

Why won't you just post the URLs when you quote from an article?

Referencing the quoted Source URL is a fairly standard practice... among those who have nothing to hide.

Why should Dio post the URL? So you gov't a$$holes can shut the site down? Nice try, Maxie loser. And where did you get the photo of the Russian hardware? Let's see your sources, you brain-dead sychophant.

Hey MaxiePad, you got somethin' brown on yo' nose! And it smells really bad!

...paranoia! Full throttle!

"So you gov't a$$holes can shut the site down? "

Ha ha ha!

>>So you gov't a$$holes can shut the site down?

..that the U.S. government is much interested in "shutting down" the Sydney Morning Herald.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/04/11/1049567869880.html

Got Tin Foil?

Diogenes won't post the URL because he's tired of people laughing at the crap that he calls 'news'. So you either agree to argue on the subject matter posted (and don't you dare question it's veracity) or you are a 'troll' who won't 'debate the issues'.

Your schtick is thin, old man.

Dr Reben is justified in his suspicion of the current situation - given that he was, apparently, one of the Kurds who were left hanging when the UN prevented the United States from following through and supporting the '91 uprising.

The Iraqi people have been through a lot.

Hopefully they will have some peace soon.

...Psymon said somthing unkind about me. I am deeeeply wounded.

Notice he does not address the article.

Just remeber this "My enemies enemy is my friend" and that is how the Iraqi public is viewing us. Their enemy was Saddam and we were his enemy. You figure it out!!!!!

C'mon, bright boy! Where did you get a picture of the Russian hardware? Cite your source, if you have the balls! But then, that might expose you for the creep that you are!

Or are you, like SO MANY other right-wingers, a hypocrite? You want all of Dio's sources but won't offer up where you got a picture of Russian Military hardware! Why? Because you work for the gov't, you stooge, or an allied foreign agency. Who else would have a picture of this new Russian innovation?

Last time you ignored my request, so I will ask it again: where did you get the picture of the 'Kornet'?

Uh, does anyone know what Brian is talking about?

I reference a thread posted by Mad Maxim:

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/48549_comment.php#49175

Read down to where it says:

'Look at this TV Camera

by MadMaxim • Thursday April 10, 2003 03:44 PM'

Any more stupid questions? Next!

You busted him fair and square.

if you look closely at the photo, you can tell it's been Photoshopped.

It was originally a Kodak Brownie.

Want happened to Mad Maxiepad? Why isn't he ranting and raving that he is right? Simon, you don't get it, do you? The picture is real, not photoshopped. So where does one acquire images of brand new technology online, especially sensative materials such as the one posted by Mad Maxiepad?

I guess it's easy if you're an agent, huh?

...I was making fun of you.

You can read more about the Kornet: http://www.army-technology.com/projects/kornet/

You can read more about the Kornet:
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/kornet/

>>So where does one acquire images of

>>brand new technology online,

What makes you think it's "new" technology?

...it's not new. It's nine years old.

Like your intellect.

Ha Ha!

Who would have possibly guessed. Could it be he's employed by them as well?

Or is that shit like a porn site to you warmongers?

Got yer bright shiney, conspiracy-proof, Tin Foil for sale!

How many rolls for you Bri?

...the heavy-duty stuff. His brain seems to have a special affinity for Conspiracy Waves.

>>Huh, so madmaxim is a defense industry fanboy...

Not a fan - an observer. I'm fascinated by tool-making species. We humans, unfortunately, expend a great deal of our potential by inventing new and creative ways to kill each other.

It's so tragic that we are more easily motivated by fear - than by inspiration.

poignant point there..uhh maximadmanpad or whatever////..nuther point: is it in the species or in the society? ...i don't know myself, but personally i think it's in the society, matterly i really think it IS in the SOCIETY!!!...anyway it's all caused by rite wingers, specially CONSERVATIVES( whether traditional or neo-con)...my 2pesos, anyway

Take a look at Jane Goodall's "Reason For Hope".

She describes warfare between chimpanzeez - where a small group attempted to break off from the main group - the main group hunted them down and killed them. Very vicious and brutal.

Those that are different are not tolerated.

Humans have 98.4% the same DNA as the chimps.

It remains to be seen - whether we can override our instincts - and think with the big head... instead of the little one.

Take a look at Jane Goodall's "Reason For Hope".

She describes warfare between chimpanzeez - where a small group attempted to break off from the main group - the main group hunted them down and killed them. Very vicious and brutal.

Those that are different are not tolerated.

Humans have 98.4% the same DNA as the chimps.

It remains to be seen - whether we can override our instincts - and think with the big head... instead of the little one.

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