you ignorant lefty bastards have an almost reflexive hatred for everything the U.S. does. You denounce humanitarian interventions such as Bosnia, Haiti, and Kosovo because they were carried out by the great satan, who, by definition, must be doing them for some evil purpose. Why is it, since we are such an awful empire, that more third world refugees come to this country than any other?

Not surprisingly the anti-war movement (pro-Saddam movement I should say), is being led by the traditional radical left, with their simplistic cliches and infantile slogans (No blood for oil!). No deacent patriotic American could ever oppose such a brave and honorable war as the one were fighting now, except if they were highly indoctrinated by your "academic" cirlces (pacifica, Noam Chomsky) which try to give justification for the hatred you feel toward your own country. Please do us all a favor and go to Iraq to be "human shields", and God willing you never return.

doesn;'t it piss you off, you right wing freepers

the way those people won't just lay down and let you walk all over them

you know

just like the Palestinian teen aged boys

won't let the mighty Israeli military walk all over them

they die instead

I mean who do those people think they are killing themselves just for the chance to take out some americans

the nerve of some people to give their lives for whatever cause they believe in

scandalous

the brits had an empire

the french did too

so the did the dutch

and now so do you

they got shot bombed stabbed and terrorized

by powerless people

who had no might

until finally they just couldn't stand it anymore

and they went home

just like you will

after the americans have been shot stabbed

bombed, hijacked, speared, poisoned

you know whatever the hell they are going to do to you people

while

of course

you bitch and bitch and bitch and whine

about bin laden or saddam

and people who are literally dying to get you

have a nice day

enjoy your empire

although i dont think youwill

ask the brits the french the dutch

Blow me, towelhead.

Remember that thought is being, and if you talk like a sewer than you obviously are the sewer. If you preach hatred, racism, and sexism than you are that.

As you slowly drown in your stinking hate please remember tha there are many who do not want to lie in the same cauldron of boiling excrement you call home. If you want to get out, just do so, drop your silly illusions on American superiority over 6 billion other human beings and ask for a hand, hell, I'll even throw a rope if you ask. Walking away from hatred and suicide is never wrong.

mistake in previous title

These rampant, vicious attacks on those who find fault with this administration and it's actions frighten me. You wish us all to blindly go along with everything our government says and not offer up our own educated, dissenting opinion.

THAT is anti-American if EVER there was such a thing.

What makes this country so great is the varied opinions and beliefs. You all seem so anxious to do away with diversity. To make this a Stepford country where everyone thinks alike and talks alike.

That, my friend, will NEVER EVER happen.

For as long as the President is a public servant (that means that he works FOR us) he will NEVER be above criticism. The day that happens is the day this country falls apart in a most tragic way.

To Horowitz is right,

In response to your comments I feel it is absolutely imperative that I make my opinions known.

Point 1 ---

You said:

"you ignorant lefty bastards have an almost reflexive hatred for everything the U.S. does."

I agree with you in every aspect of that statement. However, it is also true that the American right has an almost reflexive love of everything the U.S. does.

Point 2 ---

You said:

"Not surprisingly the anti-war movement (pro-Saddam movement I should say), is being led by the traditional radical left, with their simplistic cliches and infantile slogans (No blood for oil!)."

Once again I agree with you on every aspect of that statement. However, it is also true that the war movement is, similarly, being led by the traditional right, with their simplistic cliches and infantile slogans "Liberate Iraq" and "Support Our Troops."

Point 3 ---

You said:

"No deacent patriotic American could ever oppose such a brave and honorable war as the one were fighting now, except if they were highly indoctrinated by your "academic" cirlces (pacifica, Noam Chomsky) which try to give justification for the hatred you feel toward your own country."

As for the issue of indoctrination, it is an American phenomenon, in general to be indoctrinated and conditioned to certain principles at an early age. By being subjected to repeated use of typical American rhetoric, the notions of freedom, justice, democracy and the United States itself, become embodied in the America psyche as positive, righteous and nationalistic feelings. Therefore, whenever anybody (i.e. the President, a college professor, a priest etc) even mentions the words "freedom", "democracy", "justice", etc, a psychological reaction takes place where the positive and nationalistic feelings (imprinted in the minds of Americans through its mental conditioning system) are invoked regardless of the context of the respective situation in which the words are brought up.

The result is what Americans believe to be "patriotism".

Let me refer to a famous experiment that will illustrate my position more clearly.

As part of an experiment, a doorbell of a house containing a dog would be rung. Upon hearing the doorbell, the dog would always come to the door. After the dog came to the door, food would be handed to the dog. This process was repeated numerous times.

Eventually, it was discovered that just by ringing the doorbell, one could get the dog to salivate in anticipation of receiving food - regardless of whether it would actually get food or not. In other words, the dog was conditioned to believe that whenever the doorbell was rung, it would necessarily get food.

This is exactly how American "patriotism" works. It is purely reflexive rather than being an appropriate reaction based on logical premises.

Sincerely,

The New X

Fuck off, you turd.

Saddam is a right-winger too. We're thank ful a hypocrite such as yourself will never bein control of the United States! Freedom? Pukes like you can handle freedom....that's why you're spouting off against peace activists with such vile poison.

Brave and honorable war!? Read this:

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/RRiraqWar.html

Obviously Newspeak and Slime magazine have altered your meager thought processes. Go get an education.

You're a communist.

RETURN TO FREE REPUBLIC, AND GO FREEP YOURSELF, as well as your breathren...(you can just see all of these guys 'n gals from that community, sitting behind their computers, replaying their favorite scene from "Deliverance," wishing they could have one of their fellow freeps close by, making them squeal like a pig - prob'ly jealous of the towel on the head - wishes they could wear one because of that big bald spot on their head - which reflects the emptiness inside of their cranium.)

Please, no more responses to this freep... wouldn't want to disturb their "private moment..."

Think I'll just go on over to freerepublic.com and stir up some trouble.

They do tag you IP and record it unlike IMC.

I would greatly appreciate a logical, reasonable and appropriate response to my argument on American patriotism.

The New X

The big guy up(whoever that is for you readers but theres only really one) above is in charge of this fight and the right thing is going to transpire in Raq. Maybe the can take the I out of Raq after it's conquest. Good will prevail over evil somehow... and everyone on the farms will get new John Deere Tracrors.

Saddams sweating bullets as he contemplates jumping off the platform of his Atomic energy plant

geez, is this guy in the armed forces or what? (as indicated by his illiteracy)

as for the other right wing dipshits above, enough said.

That is not my post above. FYI.

Hmmmmm. "Decent," "patriotic," and "honorable?" Since when are these adjectives used to describe warfare? Wake up, guy; there's blood on your hands. Since when is it unpatriotic to stand up for the values originally embodied in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights? And who is being simple-minded when you assert that being against Bush and his cohorts is the same as being "Pro-Saddam??" Both men are evil, violent, and bloodthirsty. Two wrongs don't make a Right.

It's obvious that the guy that started this thread is a (w)Horowitz worshiping freeper.

To understand them, look at their idols. David Horowitz was once a thinker of the left. The fact that he so proudly displays that history just goes to show how slimy he is. The David Horowitz of today would be pissing all over the people in the movements David Horowitz participated in decades ago. He's bought, period, end of report.

To nobody's surprise there were protesters today in DC, they attempted to disrupt the metro system and block the Key Bridge, a leading artery into DC from Northern Virginia. I got hosed twice because I come in from NoVA on the metro and it is raining hard which makes traffic worse any way. My commute was long and arduous and only caused further resentment for protesters. Anyway, I'll get to the point.

I got off the train in Rosslyn because I had to use the bathroom and the train was moving quite slowly. When I was getting back on the train, there were protesters on the train platform handing out pamphlets on the evils of America. I politely declined to take one.

An elderly

woman was behind me getting off the escalator and a young (20ish) female protester offered her a pamphlet, which she politely declined.

The young protester put her hand on the old woman's shoulder as a guesture of friendship and in a very soft voice said, "Ma'am, don't you care about the children of Iraq?"

The old woman looked up at her and said, "Honey,

my first husband died in France during World War II so you could have the right to stand here and bad mouth your country. And if you touch me

again, I'll stick this umbrella up your ### and open it."

I'm glad to report that loud applause broke out among the onlookers and the young protester was at a total loss for words.

What a total load of propaganda bullshit.

Heres a story for you.

I was over in the West Valley last week

And a pro war protester (mid 20's)stopped a citizen walking from his car in the parking lot.

The pro war protester stopped the man walking towards the mall and said

"Hey look at my sign" --The sign read "Support our Troops"

The citizen looked at the sign and said, "I am a veteran of the first gulf war"

I lost one lung due to the chemical and toxic oil fires while serving my country proudly"

But when I came back, I found my government had cut funding for all veterans and would'nt

acknokledge that I was suffering from an illness"

"i lost my house, my wife and my dignity, thru no fault of my own"

The protester looked shocked and lowered his sign.

The veteran said" Your out here supporting another lie, and when the soldiers come back,

You will once again forget they exist"

"The corporations will get what they want, and the veterans will live with the consequences"

The other protesters who stood around looked the other way and would'nt make eye contact with

the veteran.

Take a long hard look at what came back from Vietnam. You will find them at the LA Vet's Hospital and in the cemetary across the street. Oh, yeah, at the cemetary you will find not only the dead, but the living wounded from Vietnam who are homeless.

Thanks, George Bush, for cutting funding to those who have served and asking more to go and serve in your immoral war. You are a bastard.

So where does all the support your trooper BS go when all these wars culminate?

Like every other American debacle of a government endeavor there is most likely an enormous amount of misappropriated funds and bureaucrtic red tape before the ex vet, who in my estimation often has been transformed back into a common man on the street, can get any kind of help around here. Some

Meanwhile the terrorism keeps trying to run as wild as Hulkamania with its neck cut off

...they're going to get me. Oh, the terrorists are everywhere do you hear me? Everywhere! Why there's a new attack every minute. Can't run, can't hide. Save me Georgy, save ME!

This message brought to you by the Ministry of Fear.

...they're going to get me. Oh, the terrorists are everywhere do you hear me? Everywhere! Why there's a new attack every minute. Can't run, can't hide. Save me Georgy, save ME!

This message brought to you by the Ministry of Fear.



Sarcasm from the Neville Chamberlain school of appeasement. Well done Rupert.

...one of the supporters of the War to Motivate Terrorists.

I think 21 years of terrorism against us has shown that they're already about as motivated as they will ever be. Appeasement has done nothing to curb their Islamic bloodlust.

same goes for israel. 55 years of terrorism and blood against the Palestinians shows pretty well that Israel cannot be appeased too.

Once again the bitch above has nothing to say but meaningless conjecture.

First of all FUCK ISRAEL.

Now you conservatives are going to be quick to slap a "ANTISEMITIE" label on me.

But wait theres more....

When I say fuck Israel, Im not saying fuck jews, or the moslems who live there also..

dont forget the christians.

I believe in the freedom of religion....But not the fascist Israeli government.

NEXT POINT OF ORDER

When was the last terrorist attack on the united states?

The world trade center?

Actually if you look at the area that the trade center sits on(port authority) , and who conducts business there

You may find that its not really American at all, Its more of a corporate multi national organization.

keep em afraid

Denounce the real patriots opposing the war..

And the rest of you will be

led to the slaughter.

How can someone be anti-American? I've never heard of Italians accusing each other about being anti-Italian. Or the French accusing each other of being anti-French. Mexicans don't accuse each other of being anti-mexican.

Bush Admirer ( or monkeyboy as he is known by me)

is here to repeat the current pentagon/corporate

psycho babble.

He likes to pee on the bars hoping to get you in

the spray.

Thanks Bush Supporter (B.S.'er)

As most people know

The nut doesen't fall too far from the tree.

America is not Israel.

America is a land where we are allowed to question our government.

Israel cried during the Holocaust

Now they are creating a Holocaust (and creating a "terrorist" environment)

and you want the American taxpayers to support thier Fascist Zionist agenda?

Go back to Israel----



title quote is from M ghandi

Using the handle “Systemfailure” seems real appropriate since his posting sound like they are coming from someone who is suffering a nervous breakdown.

>I liked how you maturely argued every single one of systemfailure's points.

"Systemfailure" made points?? Unsubstantiated allegation.

Does anyone have a copy of "Debate for Dummies?" I surely need to read it.

HEY COPYKAT!!!!!

Let me ask you, if you and the left are so much smarter than those on the right, how come you're not in control of things?

I can give you five reasons and they all sit on the US Supreme Court.

Oh, okay. It looks like I need to read "POLITICS for Dummies," also.

>I can give you five reasons and they all sit on the US Supreme Court.

Wrong!!

If you had answered "Intellectual Inferiority" you would have been correct, but the panel of judges are also sure you would have had to ask someone what it meant.



COPYKAT, you're still up. And your answer is......

Better luck next time.

I have the logic of a five year old. Everything I think is true. Why? Because I BELIEVE it to be. Therefore, you're all dummies!

skinner==go box yourself back up in your "box"...

debate coach....just because you watch larryking live, dosent qualify you as a "debate coach"

Now maybe if your handle was "debate on the couch"

or more simply put...

"masterbate on the couch"...........

Or even more simply put....

"masterbating on the couch while watching larry king"

why dont you shut the fuck up until you actually

hang out on this board and debate some issues

loser

It's like the old saying about being "fat." You know, I can lose weight, but how do you stop being butt-ugly?

Well, this deal is kinda the same. I am a liberal and I can read and I can learn, but how do you neocons stop being butt-stupid?

Love this pic of your leader Fuher Georgie.

hehe nice nice

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