Can anyone tell me why the inmates have taken over LA Independent Media?

Man, has anyone ever heard of an exchange of intelligent ideas?

The use of other posters' handles and the obscene pics and words....wow, it makes both side look very bad.

How about some REAL discussions? I am against the war and I would truly like to know why some people are in favor of what is going on in Iraq.

This place is becoming a sewer. Well, maybe I was wrong. It is a sewer and BOTH sides are to blame. Yes, there are some intelligent posters out there who are trying to discuss issues, but they sure seem to be in the minority.

I think that you are voicing the opinion of a lot of people who try and contribute serious ideas to this site. The graphic and obscene posts (like Simon said in another thread) are out of line - way out of line. This goes for both side here.

Unfortunately, the nature of this process is to allow people to vent their frustrations as well as exchange information and truth. I agree we should elevate the dialog above AM talk radio, but then who will be the appointed censor?

I'd rather people cussed me out online than throw a brick through my window.

Eye am disgusted as well.

...as the lack of any meaningful content that gets to me. Just slam after personal slam.

...as the lack of any meaningful content that gets to me. Just slam after personal slam.

I oppose what the US is doing in Iraq. But I think the pro-war argument goes something like this:

1. Since the end of the Cold War, the primary threat to the US and its interests has consisted of small, unfriendly authoritarian states. After the WTC attack, it was abundantly clear that terrorists could also attack us on our own soil (keeping in mind earlier, smaller attacks like the first WTC bombing). If terrorists were to team up with such regimes, and those regimes controlled WMD's, the US would be in serious danger of a WMD attack. Now, if you believe that Iraq has ties to Al Quaeda or similar organizations (which has not been shown to be the case), then by attacking Iraq pre-emptively we protect the US from those potential attacks. This is the public argument the Administration has focused on.

2. Neoconservatives like Paul Wolfowitz believe that the US has a sort of mandate or responsibility to reshape the world in its image: capitalist, and just democratic and pluralistic enough to allow the penetration of western culture and markets. However, they do not want third world countries to become too democratic, because that could result in large industries being nationalized (i.e., taken out of the control of the US or its client government, or client corporations). Iraq is seen as the test case, the place where the foundation of a radically different world order led uncompromisingly by the US can be laid.

Chomsky might argue that the neocons do not want there to be a successful example of a social democracy in the third world, because other impoverished nations might look to that example and choose that route rather than accomodating the US. I think this is probably true. I also think that the neocons probably engage in doublethink, sometimes believing they really are "liberating" the Iraqi people, while at other times knowing that they really are interested primarily in securing US interests. Finally, I believe that reason 2 is really the underlying one why our young people are dying there, although I can't prove it to you.

The problem with arguing with people on the extreme right is that they seem to be able to turn off the logic centers in their brains, and have this considered patriotic. Now, I've talked with many socialists and other lefties who are just as nuts, but their ideas are already marginized by the media so much that no one takes them seriously from the outset. The danger of the conservatives these days is that with a radical in the White House, not even fascism seems radical anymore to your average Joe who watches CNN and Fox News.

Anyway, that's my (considerable) two cents. Let's all vote Democrat in 2004, get Dubya out, and then really start building from the grassroots.

Peace

I am ready for the grass roots revolution.

Alison Krauss is my favorite!!!!!

The Democrats have betrayed us. Even though Republicans might have solid support in 2004, I don't know if I'll vote for a Democrat just to get bush out of office. I think it will probably end up that way, but it's worth a try to give your support to a 3rd party. And if Lieberman or Gephardt are the Democratic Candidate, that's not really that different from voting Republican.

...Lieberman or Gephardt are the candidate it means that Gee Duhbya is being set up for a second term. That's how they reelected Clinton - by running a known loser -Dole- against him.

The elites win either way. The game is rigged.

it's good that you have come to grips with it.

you can always protest it.

It's good to see so many apathetic citizens on this board. If you aren't voting for me, stay out of the voting booths!

Either that, or I'll have Jeb take care of you.

The 7 Rules Of Etiquette on How To Deal With "Peace" Activists

These activists may be alone or in gatherings...most of us don't know how to react to them. When you come upon one of these people, or one of their rallies, here are the proper rules of etiquette:

1. Listen politely while this person explains their views. Strike up a conversation if necessary and look very interested in their ideas. They will tell you how revenge is immoral, and that by attacking the people who did this to us, we will only bring on more violence. They will probably use many arguments, ranging from political, to religious, to humanitarian.

2. In the middle of their remarks, without any warning, punch them in the nose.

3. When the person gets up off of the ground, they will be very angry and they may try to hit you, so be careful.

4. Very quickly and calmly remind the person that violence only brings about more violence and remind them of their stand on this matter. Tell them if they are really committed to a nonviolent approach to undeserved attacks, they will turn the other cheek and negotiate a solution. Tell them they must lead by example if they really believe what they are saying.

5. Most of them will think for a moment and then agree that you are correct.

6. As soon as they do that, hit them again. Only this time hit them much harder. Square in the nose.

7. Repeat steps 2-5 until the desired results are obtained and the idiot realizes how stupid of an argument he/she is making.

Congratulations, "Reality Check." Whenever we conservatives don't have an argument, we can always resort to physical violence. It really shows everyone what Neanderthals we are.

...be careful that you don't do this to a Veteran experienced and trained in unarmed Combat as he just might kick your ass from here until next Wednesday.

"..be careful that you don't do this to a Veteran experienced and trained in unarmed Combat as he just might kick your ass from here until next Wednesday."

I will test out your theory this afternoon at 5pm. I will be the man in the Desert Storm Uniform. '91 Veteran - who will meet my challenge. You?

The only thing I know how to do with an ass is spead it, coat it with copious amounts of ky jelly and take it down the hershey highway.

Oh and occasionally I might tongue one.

...I don't have to prove my macho manhood. I fight when I have to not because I think it "proves" anything. Besides, I have also been taught well enough by ethical Teachers that to use my skills for any reason other than self defense is a misuse of my training.

My favorite example of this was a kid who went out and picked a fight and very neary crippled another kid for life.

Mr. Fong used him as an example. When he returned to class he was unaware that Mr. Fong had learned of his activities. As he was demonstrating a particular "technique" he had this young man come up to "assist" him. He then proceded to explain to the class the meaning of the word "honor". As the young man exited through a Plate Glass door the lesson was achieved.

I'm a real toughguy. I MEAN it!!! My daddy's a mess hall sergeant and he'll come kick your asses!

I am a wise sage....I am 57 years old and have a crusty vagina.

No hippies will even bang my skanky ass anymore.

As if you couldn't tell, the above post is mine. I'm such a perv.

It's nice that our pet adolescent gets us back on the subject.

I don't have a problem with the abuse thrown around this place - it kind of comes with the territory.

But the rampant stealing of nicks by our spotty-faced friend makes following the narrative of conversations difficult. Obviously the person(s) doing the spamming have no interest in the debate, they just wish to disrupt it.

I have seen an occasional Diogenes or Sheepdog nick lifted, even a Nessie. Most of the recent ones seem to be Eric or Bush Admirer or Mine.

I guess we'll just have to try and ignore them; but wouldn't it be fun to throttle the living crap out of the little pukes?

And one more thing. I'm GAY.

I just love letting people know how much they get to me. I'm so weakminded. After all, I WAS in the military!

Don't get mad. Get even.

An eye for an eye makes us both stupid. Oh, wait. We're ALREADY stupid!

I'm so sad...I try to be smart...but I'm not.

I have a head that's too small for my body too.

but what am I!?

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I'm going to protest this message board!

You, sir, are a nincompoop.

Somebody ! What should I do???

Somebody ! What should I do???

Somebody ! What should I do???

Ok! I'll turn off the computer!

Ok! I'll turn off the computer!

Ok! I'll turn off the computer!

Ok! I'll turn off the computer!

Ok! I'll turn off the computer!

Ok! I'll turn off the computer!

Ok! I'll turn off the computer!

I OWN THE MESSAGE BOARD!!!!!

YOU SHIT HEADS CAN'T GET ANYTHING DONE!

The "add my comment" button is stuck!!!

The "add my comment" button is stuck!!!

The "add my comment" button is stuck!!!

The "add my comment" button is stuck!!!

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Poo Poo Head!

The "add my comment" button is stuck!!!

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I'm telling my mommy on you poopyheads! Then, I'll suck all the milk out of her tits.

I thought this is what you liberals LIKED?

If you don't like something that's going on, just completely disrupt and inconvenience everyone around you!

I thought that was the way a protest was supposed to work.

Will somebody please help me tie my shoes? My mommy is busy.

Freedom of Speech!!!!

Freedom of Expression!!!!!

I'm protesting the indymedia messageboard!

SIT IN!!!!

Freedom of Speech!!!!

Freedom of Expression!!!!!

I'm protesting the indymedia messageboard!

SIT IN!!!!

Freedom of Speech!!!!

Freedom of Expression!!!!!

I'm protesting the indymedia messageboard!

SIT IN!!!!

Freedom of Speech!!!!

Freedom of Expression!!!!!

I'm protesting the indymedia messageboard!

SIT IN!!!!

Freedom of Speech!!!!

Freedom of Expression!!!!!

I'm protesting the indymedia messageboard!

SIT IN!!!!

Freedom of Speech!!!!

Freedom of Expression!!!!!

I'm protesting the indymedia messageboard!

SIT IN!!!!

I'm still waiting for somebody to tie my shoes. I asked Simple Simon, but he doesn't know how.

Please stop, I want this message board back the way it was.

I plead with you, leave us alone!!!!

Would you, kind sir, please help me tie my shoes? I asked Rush Limbaugh, but he said he doesn't know how.

Even though I disagree with nearly 100% of what you

say, politically.

This is a shame.

I am a Neanderthal.

I know you are, but what am I?

The post that started this thread -- way up top - was a good one.

But now we see this thread taken over by the same sort of juvenile postings (hershey highway, golden showers, taking over someone else's handle, etc.).

Someone has the power to block an IP address. I know because my primary IP address was, and still is, blocked (because someone disagrees with my point of view).

However, no one bothers to block the IP of the errant teenager who is polluting the board and preventing meaningful debate.

Something is seriously wrong. It begins to look as if the Anarchists really have taken over IMC.

I cannot believe that I agree with Bush Admirer, but this one time he is totally correct and so was Disgusted who started this thread.

What a bunch of garbage. I checked out some of the other IMC sites and it is nowhere as bad as the LA site. This is just totally juvenile. I thought that maybe, just maybe, there would be something good going on here...there is. But there is just way too little of it and way too much of the kind of junk on this thread. Maybe they should start banning some IPs.

Maybe you should blow me, you head queen.

Gladly would I take you up on your offer. However, an essential element to that contract would be that you have a dick.

Unfortunately, since you seem to be a dickless wonder, the contract is prevented from forming due to an impossibility of performance.

**smile**

that LA IMC is now officially overwrought with conservative thinkers and rightwing minds. I'm so relaxed and at ease, I hardly have to post a comment anymore. I can just kick back and watch the lefties squirm.

This place sure needed the facelift too.

Thanks!

Theres a perfectly good reason for that.

Americans are fucking dumb and they believe whatever they see on TV.

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