We've been advised that this web site regarding Fletcher Prouty, who was correct about MANY but not ALL things, might be a source of some disinformation, particularly his opinions regarding oil and his lack of information on Zionism.

http://astridmm.com/prouty

Updated investigations regarding JFK, the Mossad, the Federal Reserve Corporation and 9-11 are shedding new light on previous assumptions about the so-called secret "cabal" or global "elite", most of whom have now been exposed as bankrupt shysters.

According to Buckminster Fuller in CRITICAL PATH, "Scientifically faithful, synergetically integrated, time-energy elecrochemical process accounting shows that it costs energetic Universe more than a million dollars [1980 FRDs] to produce each gallon of petroleum when the amount of energy as heat and pressure used for the length of time necessary to produce that gallon of petroleum is charged for the New York Con Edison's retail kilowatt-hour rates for that much electricity."

No wonder why Fuller's brilliant books - like many others - were no longer published or distributed after the media-money monopoly hijacked America during the "roaring" 1980s.

Old crooks at the Criminal Ignorance Agency say such absurdities as, "International terrorism, both on its own and in conjunction with narcotics traffickers, international criminals and those seeking weapons of mass destruction. You need go no further than Usama Bin Ladin...." - DCI George J. Tenet, Oscar Iden Lecture, Georgetown University, October 18, 1999

Tenet can't even speak in sentences. Like Bush, he's probably drugged by the Mossad.

I'm not sure you need go further than the Rothschild Group and their Mossad agents to find your primary source of terrorism, narcotics trafficking and weapons of mass destruction:

http://jinsa.org (not to be confused with INSA)

http://www.rothschild.info

http://www.rothschild.com

I've not yet checked Prouty's sources regarding the origins of oil, but to call it "renewable" energy is an abuse of the word, like the big lie that nuclear power is "clean".

As I ask nuclear power advocates, including the Lyndon LaRuse group, "If you're willing to pay for the insurance, and you don't mind the radioactive waste, why don't you put nuclear reactors and the waste in your own basement?"

Besides Prouty, other sources of information that used to be rather reliable are also being degraded, such as http://www.interpol.int .

Although Interpol still claims to be "apolitical", it's recently been posting more and more political propaganda, perhaps due to the influence of such wannabe Americans like "NWO" bureaucrat Ronald Kenneth Noble, who worked for the money-laundering "U.S. Treasury" and the Federal Reserve Corporation's Internal Ripoff Service.

What do you expect from a little ass-kissing lawyer-liar raised in New Jersey?

One look at Ron's "credentials" of working for transnational white-collar terrorists who steal your tax money (and much more) sheds enough light on the pathetic situation for one to shed more tears for the fate of our nation and the world:

"Nominated by the Interpol Executive Committee in July 1999, and confirmed by the 69th General Assembly on November 2nd 2000, Interpol's new Secretary General Ronald K. Noble has extensive international law enforcement expertise.

"Currently Professor of Law at the New York University School of Law, his law enforcement career includes service in both the US Department of Justice and Treasury.

[I graduated from NYU. Like most so-called "universities", it's less than worthless. Presently I'm seeking a refund for their silly degree and compensation for my valuable time they squandered trying to "educate" me.]

"In addition to service as an Assistant US Attorney and Deputy Assistant Attorney General he more recently was Chief Law Enforcement Officer in the US Treasury Department from 1989 to 1996. In this position he had command overseeing several of the largest law enforcement agencies in the United States: The Secret Service [helped murder JFK - very impressive], the Customs Service, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms [murdered innocent people at Waco and many other places], the federal Law Enforcement Training Center, the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, the Office of Foreign Assets Control, and the Criminal Investigation Division of the Internal Revenue Service.

[Unless Ron is a secret double-agent working for American citizens rather than transnational corporations, sounds like he could use a few decades in a concentration camp meditating on the meaning of life and citizenship.]

"A former member of Interpol's Executive Committee, Ronald K Noble has also been President of the 26-national Financial Action Task Force, the anti-money laundering organisation established by the G7 in 1989.

[That's an obvious conflict of "interest".]

"Raised in New Jersey, US, and Germany, Mr Noble holds a Bachelor's degree in Economics and Business Administration from the University of New Hampshire and a J.D. from Stanford University Law School."

Well, Ron, care for a televised debate about your so-called "law-enforcement" and "economic" expertise? Or will you hide from the public like the rest of "our" cowardly, bribed and blackmailed government bureaucrats, trying to run the entire world like it's another counter-productive business dependent on corporate welfare and the Fed's counterfeit money?

Anyway, since I'm running for President in 2004 as a radical republican, I'd rather debate deranged puppet-politicians like Dubya, John Forbes "Skull & Bones" Kerry, Joseph "Mossad" Lieberman, Hillary "BCCI" Clinton, or any of the other pathetic thieves in the Democratic Party.

Better yet, how about a fair-and-square person-to-person fist-fight? What will Ari Flyshit and gang have to say about that?

Let me check the FEC's rules and regulations on hand-to-hand "elections" and get back to you fellas.

Meanwhile, as the global casino "economy" collapses, perhaps citizens will find this alternative to political-financial fraud rather refreshing:

http://egroups.com/group/Time-Energy-Accounting

That site is administered by Len Osanic from BlackOpRadio.com. While there may be things in error, I doubt any of it is done with intent to misinform. Len is a nice guy, with his heart in the right place. You can get a good idea for who he is from all the radio programs he's produced. He can be a little spacey sometimes (huge body of info makes it hard to always been 100% lucid), but he demonstrates absolutely no signs of being government plant or somesuch. And as to Prouty's view about oil, he actually did, at times, express agreement with the theory that there's a large pool of oil deeper in the Earth's crust, and that this oil can sometimes refill some oil fields. It's not that it's a renewable resource, but this theory contends that there's more of the stuff than we know about, deeper down. This is definitely a minority opinion to say the least, but there are a very small handful of scientists that consider it possible.

You have been "advised" about the Prouty.org site (the primary domain, not the one you noted above). What does that really mean? ;-)

Your message kind of seems like it's making an extra effort to cast Prouty in a negative light, and you've always come off as a near worshiper of Buckminster Fuller. John, chill out. Don't worship anyone. ;-) Not Fuller, not Prouty, not your mom -- no one.

Not to go on a ghost hunt but mr chance, or whatever your name is, you smell like a gman to me.

Your statements did little else than pander, thinly i might add, to what you percieve as being public opinion here. But not until you pulled a vague little hit and run on the credentials of that Prouty guy, someone who was intelligently defended, quickly, by someone who appears to be unrelated and impartial.

I had never heard of him before but I will definately go see what this he has to say now, because I suspect a) You work for the man b) neither you nor the man want whatever Prouty is saying to be taken seriously... If you really wanted your claims of this guy being a plant to be taken seriously, you'd substantiate your claim of 'we have been informed...'. That just reeks of Karl Rove style slash and burn slander.

And speaking of things taken seriously...

Dude, if you're reading this now, you need to get that photo of yourself down, and quickly. You just aren't that pretty. And that 'philosophical look' looks like you're pondering 'boxers or briefs... hmmm'.

Now, if you are as you say you are, I'm sorry for insulting you. But after rereading what you've said, and reviewing your republican political aspirations, I have to seriously question just how "radical" you are.

Anyone, input on the matter? I'm uninformed on west coast scene, or even any scene really, but my instincts tell me this guy is not on the level.

People who seek to sensationalize themselves in the name of activism and/or a revolution are not helping matters. Pick a cause, stand behind it, do not expect the cause to stand behind you.

You ought to read JFK by Prouty. He runs down the CIA's instagation of the Viet Nam war and various dirty tricks the CIA used to get 58,000 of us killed over there.

I'll do that. Although the link supplied by mr deep thinker came up 404. Any good links to indexes of his work?

Thanks for the info.

The only real school in town.

>>Just the Library,Amigo

>>The only real school in town.

Gotta agree with ya on that one. (shhhh I won't tell if you don't)

It's the responsibility of the individual to "educate" them self - not the government's.

Here's a Link to THE Reference Web Site for Prouty's work:

http://www.prouty.org/

Yeah i came across that one but in light of carrot-tops 'we have been informed' comment, and the way the site appears to be more of a fan site than a site actually controlled by prouty, i was reluctant to mention it until i'd had a chance to form my own opinions of it.

Thanks though, good to have a link in this thread for any others unfamiliar with his work.

And to sheepdog... you mean i can't learn everything about life, existence, and everything off the internet?!? LIES! hehe. On a related note, i feel the school of hard knocks deserves an honorable mention... some lessons a book just can't teach you.

I agree that it is a bit more fannish. Rense.com has some of his longer articles in their archives.

Another good one to read is Friedrich Von Hayek's "The Road to Serfdom". Like a lot of Prouty's work it is still under Copyright which is why you don't see the full text available on the Web.

Another of interest is John Coleman's "Conspirator's Hierarchy - The Committee of 300". Take it for what it is worth - it has been consigned to the "Conspiracy Theory" Category - along with other good exposes that the Elite's would rather not have read by us Proles. Again still under Copyright - and he is still alive although he is getting pretty old and will not be around too many more years.

Mr Zip,

First, I don't worship any humans, not even my mom (which sounds like a typical neurotic Ashkenazi slur).

I worship nature (some call it God), and humans are simply a peculiar part of nature. I respect numerous humans who pursue truth and justice, whether it's Fuller, Thomas Jefferson, Albert Einstein, Che Guevara, Tom Paine or my neighbor.

Second, while Len, Prouty and many others do good work, they can be manipulated - unknowingly - to post misinformation or disinformation which any genuine investigator needs to correct - as I do when I post something and then discover a more accurate observation.

Third, if you're not attempting to discredit me with innuedoes, why don't you and "anonymous" others post your indentity? You've not even said anything that could be construed as controversial or treasonous or dangerous to your health.

You seem to be just another cowardly disseminator of disinformation, much like other "manufactured dissent" such as the Boston Phoenix, United for a Fraudulant Economy, the Mass Greenwash Party, the Alliance for Hypocracy, the Quackers and other local guilty "liberals" who are more concerned about their groupthink pension funds and real estate investments than about the future of our world.

http://egroups.com/group/JPChance