Extra posting due to extra deletions of comments by laimc editors!!

When the general public becomes outraged by the criminal activities of the ruling elites, we can expect the Christian right to respond with false conspiracy theories (as oppossed to potentially true conspiracy theories.) The freedom of information act shows that the CIA has tampered with people psychologically in order to gain influence in media propaganda.

One of these false conspiracy theory myths is perpetuated by neo-Nazis who blame "the Jews" for the actions of the ruling elites. Though certain Jewish individuals may join forces with the ruling elite (like Bernie Madoff), it is factually incorrect to blame them collectively when the criminals are mostly Anglo-Saxon Protestants with Ivy League backgrounds.

background on conspiracy theory myths;

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"Once such challenges gain "critical mass," all bets are off and the elite can easily become prey to the mob."

The fact is, almost one-third of the American population now actually hates the government as a result of all the lying the government has been up to. Historically, when elite credibility has slipped this far, the elite's "fall-back" position has been to let their allies in the Christian Right prattle on about a supposed "Illuminist Plot" involving a secret cabal of Jewish conspirators. This is precisely what happened just prior to the French and Russian Revolutions. It's not so much that the elites themselves directly promote such nonsense as it is the fact that they allow their toadies in the Christian Right to do so. It's all so "under the table," and the great utility of it all is that it throws those who no longer believe the "official story" off their track and on to the Jews; after all, it makes no difference to the elites how the "mob" is thrown off their scent, only that they are."

article found @;

http://www.antipasministries.com/html/file0000179.htm

NOTE to laimc editors; Will this comment be deleted also? Surely you could find something here that makes it worthy of deletion? Some covert form of "racism" that could "offend" an overly sensitive reader??

Curious as to your editorial policy with comments, now people will need to do triple postings every time because you censor-happy editors keep deleting nearly everything i post without any real reasons!

WHERE do the deleted comments go? Nor am i the only one being deleted, there are sometimes 17 comments listed with only 3 being visible.

WHAT HAPPENS TO DELETED COMMENTS??

HOW can people follow a debate on a comment thread when it becomes discontinuous? What is the point of dialogue when half of the comments are missing? It does not make any sense to allow debate in comments than delete half of them anyway!!

Repeated critique of the Riverside rally;

(Each time a comment is deleted, i will repost and rewrite the same premise; ADL/SPLC footsoldiers calling themselves "antifas" are adding fuel to the fire with their attacks on small numbers of national socialist (NSM) protesters.)





So we really have an event that could be described as;

CIA puppets (NSM) VS. SPLC puppets (antifas)

Spitting on neo-Nazis who are most likely brainwashed by CIA agents is ineffective at best, and at worst strengthens their resolve. Deleting the comments of someone who makes this claim is only doing favors for the CIA, and the SPLC footsoldiers who call themselves "antifas" could be investigated along with neo-Nazi leaders for delaying the impending populist (beyond left and right dichotomy)revolution by enhancing the neo-Nazis resolve to fight through overly hostile interactions.

To relate this with U.S. militarism;

Why does the Taliban and al Queda exist? How do our military responses of indefinite occupations encourage them to fight back even harder and grow stronger through popular support?

Does U.S. military occupation not influence the public (Afghanistan or Iraq) to provide aid to Taliban and other "insurgents" who vow to fight the occupation until death?

These questions also apply to the presence of neo-Nazis and other far right groups who are silenced by being forced to leave. There are other ways to discredit and talk down the hate groups that do not involve spitting and other bullying tactics, especially when the NSM was outnumbered.

Let the neo-Nazis be the thugs first, then respond in self defense against any individuals who act out physically against their targets. A visible NSM protest being disrupted by spitting and other forms of physical assault will only regroup and return that much stronger and more committed to their ideology. They thrive on this sort of conflict!!

Nor does the disruption of a visible NSM protest guarantee that the community is "safer" from any future violence perpretrated by isolated neo-Nazi cells or even "lone wolf" types who answer to nobody and plan their actions alone. If anything, the treatment of the NSM protesters would encourage retaliation at an undisclosed time and place.

The "other side" of the CIA puppet neo-Nazis are the SPLC puppets who try to censor and stifle debate, in accordance with their neoliberal masters;

background on SPLC shams;

Dees has always been alert to the paranoias of the hour. The center’s entire legal staff resigned in the late 1980s, in part because Dees was reluctant to take up legal issues of real importance to poor people. His obsession was the Klanwatch Project, a cash cow for the SPLC. Literature from the SPLC portrayed the Klan as poised to take over American and embark on an orgy of burning and lynching. This was at a time when the major danger to poor people was going to be welfare reform , a collusive project between the Gingrich Republicans and Clinton liberals, among the latter being many fervent supporters of Dees. Dees sits on a mountain of cash, but his courtroom forays are not profuse. In the early 1990s, when the center’s reserves were about half what they are today- $52 million in 1993- the center (between 1989 and 1994) filed only a dozen suits.

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The Nation, Mother Jones, and kindred liberal publications have the same problem. If the fascist/Gingrichian bogey isn’t out there in the darkness, prowling round the campfire, maybe people will start concluding that real enemy is all too unidentifiably roosting in Washington in the two-party system. So the new strategy of the Dees crowd, the SPLC and ADL, is to point tremulously to such signs of realignment as the Antiwar.com conference, “Beyond Left and Right,” about which I reported a couple of weeks ago, and raise the alarm, saying -as the Dees Intelligence Report does- that the left is being duped and captured by the far right and that realignment is a neo-fascist strategy. And of course they’re strains in the anti-globalist, anti-free trade movement that can buttress such a charge. It’s not hard to go to a gun show and scoop up a pamphlet attacking the New World Order along with the UN, the big banks, and the WTO.

American, populist culture has crank patches, as do all political cultures. In American environmentalism there’s a Malthusian element that goes back to the racist speculations of Harvard professors a century ago. One task for us left greens has always been to identify this element and attack it. Going “beyond left and right” doesn’t mean abandoning basic positions on racism, Malthusianism and the like, it means trying to forge alliances on issues such as U.S. Interventions and wars, or on the Bill of Rights - and keeping one’s powder dry. The attack from Dees on the anti-WTO forces won’t be the last."

article found @;

http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=2642

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You're welcome.

My, what an amiable creature.

So why did you go off on a schizophrenic binge and fuck up Cleveland, NAMBLA boy? And why does your pre-teen lover give you access to this indymedia?

Thanks for the pointer to the "view hidden posts" header at the top of the article. Maybe i missed that because i though it was the same as "view hidden articles". We all make mistakes!!

What's the deal with Cleveland? No clue who is being called "NAMBLA-Boy", this is the type of name calling nonsense that i usually try to avoid.

However, my comments have never engaged in this type of name calling, so am still uncertain WHY the comments were hidden, could the laimc editor who made this choice explain this to me in detail? Then for future comments i will avoid whatever it was i wrote that led to the entire comment being censored. There is enough info there that is relevent to the debate and should not be hidden!!

Comments on imc could be used for intelligent discussions and debates, as not all anarchists, socialists, Democrats, Republicans, libertarians, neo-Nazis and other people with various political outlooks think the same!!

We can often learn new information from people with different ideologies instead of just allowing comments of agreement to be visible, do we really need cheerleaders??

You obviously have no idea what happened out there in Riverside a few weeks ago. The anti-fascist contingent that showed up to take direct action against the nazis was an autonomous popular front made up of students, berets, mechistas, and anarchists. Far from being anyone's "puppets," these people collaborated for weeks beforehand to pull off a successful anti-fascist action.

The ADL is a Jewish organization that focuses on anyone badmouthing or maligning Jews or the state of Israel. They do some good work, like doing research on racist groups and publishing it. They also do some bad work, like going after professors who criticize the policies of the Israeli state in class, as they recently did to Bill Robinson.

The SPLC has a bit wider of a scope than the ADL but basically falls into the same category. They do solid research and publishing, including publishing educational materials, but do not organize actions--they are not a grassroots organization.

Your conclusion that the antifascist contingent is someone's puppet is erroneous. In fact, you have not presented any evidence or even any clear logic on which to base this conclusion.

As someone who was involved, let me tell you that the goal of those taking direct action was, indeed, to drive the nazis off. Why should we let them target the immigrant members of our community? Why should we let it get to the point where they are accepted as a legitimate voice in the political arena? Why should we allow the political debate to get pushed that much further to the right? It only legitimizes commentators like Glen Beck all that much more.

Anti-fascist action is about stopping the growth of fascist movements before they can become a threat. It is about preventing them from organizing attacks on the weakest and most vulnerable members of society. It is about denying them the soapbox they use to spread the message of hate, which just misdirects the popular anger away from where it truly belongs: On the capitalists.

If you let Nazis march down the street, the next thing you know, they are attacking blacks and gays. You let them get away with that, and next thing you know, they're getting elected to office and setting policy.

The nameless, faceless members of the antifa contingent can do something that the police can't do, the liberals promoting peace can't do. They are looking after their own interests, and yours, if you would ever become the target of a fascist movement, and most of us would.

So take your bullshit accusations and shove them. I'm glad that the IMC editors hide bullshit comments and wild accusations like yours, which are libelous and erroneous and based on nothing but conjecture.

You want to say whatever you want, get your own website or your own newspaper or broadcast signal. IMC is for us.