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by Qwerty
Thursday, Oct. 13, 2005 at 9:59 PM
According to www.alexa.com, "Save Our State" continues to experience a rapid decline in readership.
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by anti-racist
Thursday, Oct. 13, 2005 at 10:02 PM
They went back to Stormfront.
by AyatollahGondola
Thursday, Oct. 13, 2005 at 11:38 PM
Where have you been?The forum was taken off line for upgrades and possibly experienced some sabotage. Don't fret though. Everyone needs a whipping boy, and we would not consider depriving you of that for long.
by Evil Bastard
Friday, Oct. 14, 2005 at 12:30 PM
Let's make this about pitting one group of economic victims againts another with racist and ethnocentric overtones to prevent the real problem of American Economic Imperialism ands its devatstation to the cultures of these slave states, by the ones who reap the benifits, to become apparent. Use cultural fear and proposed superiority to- Go after the victims. They can't do much about it. Thank you for reading this.
by Fredric L. Rice
Friday, Oct. 14, 2005 at 4:03 PM
frice@skeptictank.org
The stellar work of anti-hate groups and individuals has gone a long way toward exposing the SOSMM individuals and I'd like to think that the Internet which gave birth to such scum has also been responsible for smacking it down.
'Course the fight against race hate is far from over.
My opinions only and only my opinions.
www.thedarkwind.org/
by White Guy
Friday, Oct. 14, 2005 at 4:42 PM
Stormfront has grown from 40,000 active members on Jan 2005 to 62,000 just a few days ago and will hit 100,000 active members by the first of the year, Jan 2006 or shortly thereafter.
Whites increasingly are summoning the courage to stop apologizing for breathing just because of their skin color and to start fighting back. The leadership core is being formed, although it will probably take a major massacre of whites by the brown/black savages to really awaken the vast white masses.
The Internet has allowed us to get around the bottle neck of the mainstream media that covers up for the coloreds. When the masses of whites summon some courage and stop groveling for coloreds, WATCH OUT.
In 1519 Cortez with 187 white men and 12 horses brought down the Aztec empire and its teeming millions. A few good white people can reduce the brown tide to brown scum and will do it again.
by Hex
Friday, Oct. 14, 2005 at 4:56 PM
> Stormfront has grown from 40,000 / 60, /100
yeah right - not according to your TAX RECORDS
and tell me - where does most of stormFRONT's money come from ?
care to mention the 5 ?
by AyatollahGondola
Friday, Oct. 14, 2005 at 5:03 PM
Stormfronts alleged popularity might be borne from an effort to keep it under surveillance. It will also serve no greater purpose than gathering up those who wish to be used for cannon fodder by war mongering manipulists. Unless of course, the racial pretext stops being it's major point of inclusion. Solicit to that mentality if you wish, but remember the lesson of the civil war: The north successfully used the racial propaganda weapon against those of the south, regardless of any other point they fought the war over. It didn't work back then, and it will not gather mainstream support now. If race is your claim to superiority or location, you don't have much to fight with
by Hex
Friday, Oct. 14, 2005 at 5:25 PM
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I mean with all sorts of digging and bad exposure going on - here we have SPLC doing an expose' on the NAZI - SOS connection you guys try to deny, oh the horror > even mentioning names and exposing NAZIS > wow on *here* that's a capitol crime according to the way you scream and howl about it
by AyatollahGondola
Friday, Oct. 14, 2005 at 6:15 PM
SPLC....not exactly an unbiased news source really. I say post the proof that all or even a majority of SOS members are also Nazi party members. So there's a challenge for any of you. Using the same old photos with the same handful of Nazi gang members does not go a long way towards proving that all SOS members are Nazi Gang or Nazi Party members.
If any of you were at a protest, and someone within your area proclaimed his or herself a racist; by your logic, you would all be racists?
by Hex
Friday, Oct. 14, 2005 at 6:28 PM
some SOS members
a majority of SOS members
all SOS members
I feel like I'm being boxed in again
So we tell you to prove something - anything, and you turn the tables and challenge US to do your proving for you
I've already started posting data - oh it's biased
compared to what I haven't posted yet that's a complement..
here's a tiny example ;
"the evils of African Americans, homosexuals, non-white immigrants, and, above all, Jews, who are blamed for most of what's wrong in the world"
by AyatollahGondola
Friday, Oct. 14, 2005 at 7:11 PM
Number one, I've already posted something on another thread as proof asked, but it has faileed to make the trip thus far. Along with what appeared to be a comment by you either before or after. As I said before, we'll see over time what are the rules of deletions here. So tell me then; Does 12 out of 900 make for a concensus? And if it is the proximity, what is the distance required for being disassociated?
by Hex
Friday, Oct. 14, 2005 at 7:24 PM
yes - 3 or 4 mean you're screwing up and not learning
none - infinite
with the new software all hidden posts will appear in the F lineup with a pink header
so what's the URL of this "hidden proof" ?
by Fredric L. Rice
Friday, Oct. 14, 2005 at 9:02 PM
frice@skeptictank.org
> Stormfront has grown from 40,000 active members > on Jan 2005 to 62,000 just a few days ago and will > hit 100,000 active members by the first of the year, > Jan 2006 or shortly thereafter
How amusing. Such bullshit sounds _just_ like the notorious Scientology corporation and its claims. "We have over 8 million customers! We're the fastest growing 'religion' in the world!"
No offsense but such claims about SOSMM/SF et al. is just laughable.
My opinions only and only my opinions.
www.thedarkwind.org/
by Evil Bastard
Friday, Oct. 14, 2005 at 9:25 PM
There are rules here for that? Tell me it isn't so. I thought there were 'guidelines' here. Very seldom enforced and when they are, there is no reason given as to the violation or such. Like in real life, you take your chances.
by AyatollahGondola
Friday, Oct. 14, 2005 at 9:51 PM
THREAD LATEST AUTHOR POSTED AT SOS experiences rapid decline in readership (14 comments) Evil Bastard 9:25am Thu Oct 13 SOS Racists Identified (181 comments) SOS person 7:52am Thu Oct 13 Laguna Beach III: SOS and Neo-Nazis Confronted Again (128 comments) Hex 7:52am Thu Oct 13
Your name is last, but your post isn't My name is not here, yet I posted
As the above poster mentioned, I guess I took my chances and lost
by Hex
Friday, Oct. 14, 2005 at 11:39 PM
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post everything that's been hidden in the last day right now
by the bottom line
Saturday, Oct. 15, 2005 at 2:34 PM
SOS is affiliated with nazi youth. Not all SOS members are nazis. Who gives a hoot what the difference is? A racist xenophobe is a racist xenophobe, whether they drape themselves in a swastika, an american flag, brown skin, whatever. They're so lacking in intelligence and so saturated with stupidity they won't last, even with nazi, I mean, republican support. The republicans will sink like their president's poll numbers come the 2006 elections.
Nuff said.
by Skeptic
Saturday, Oct. 15, 2005 at 4:27 PM
What your Nazi fantasies leave out is the fact that Cortez prevailed only with the aid of tribes hostile to the Aztecs, notably the Tlaxcalans, who were so determined to resist Aztec imperialism that they had forgone the use of salt, because trade in that resource in Northern Mexico was controlled by the Aztecs. The vast majority of Cortez' forces at that time were native troops.
In addtion,. Tenochtitlan was in the grip of an epidemic of smallpox, ignorantly introduced from Europe where it was an endemic infection. The precipitate drops in native populations following European encroachment- all over the Americas- were primarily due to the inadvertent importation of diseases which had been endemic in Europe for so long that they were common childhood diseases. Introduced among disease-inexperienced populations they became devastating epidemics.
Your kind, Nazi-boy, have only your mental diseases, which will not work in the same way.
by Pachuco
Saturday, Oct. 15, 2005 at 6:02 PM
I strongly believe that SOS received the majority of its hits from the United Resistance reading their posts for sheeyits and giggles.
The one that cracked me up the most was the one about undocs causing earthquakes - how ignorant can people be to think something so absurd? These Volks make Butthead and Beavis look like candidates for the Nobel Peace Prize.
Their repetitive posts got very boring and we lost interests in the xenophobes.
Like flies attracted to sheeyit, NAZIs are attracted to the stench of the SOS.
by AyatollahGondola
Saturday, Oct. 15, 2005 at 6:32 PM
Given the language used here in descriptions of SOS members, It seems you all have quite a bit in common with us. Welcome aboard brothers and sisters.
by Pachuco
Sunday, Oct. 16, 2005 at 5:52 PM
There are very few defenses against ridicule.
I personally feel that the SOS, NAZI, Minutemen all have a right to voice their opinion.
What I do not agree on is that anyone has the right to impose their will on me, nor anyone else.
If you hate Mexicans, that's okay. I'm sure lots of Mexicans hate you too.
But, when you come into my city and try to have me remove something that is expressive of my feelings or beliefs, you are sending the message that you are the only one entitled to freedom of speech.
Your assumption that you are the only true American is bigoted. If you can't see that, then you are a self righteous bigot. The American experience is a multicultural one that makes us stronger by uniting us in celebration of our diversity. You would rather have a homogenous culture devoid of color and flavor and always in fear of other people.
You fear Mexicans. We terrify you. Our music, art, language, food and mannerisms all frighten you. If you didn’t fear us, you would be able to see how much we have to offer and how much we have already given the development of American culture.
by AyatollahGondola
Sunday, Oct. 16, 2005 at 7:53 PM
"There are very few defenses against ridicule.
I personally feel that the SOS, NAZI, Minutemen all have a right to voice their opinion."
What I do not agree on is that anyone has the right to impose their will on me, nor anyone else. That monument is little else but a thinly veiled threat and a derogatory statement. But if you agree that no will should be imposed, and that everyoone should be entitled to an opinion, how about supporting a second opinion right next to, or below it
"But, when you come into my city and try to have me remove something that is expressive of my feelings or beliefs, you are sending the message that you are the only one entitled to freedom of speech."
There is nothing on that monument that states my message, or one that includes me. And it is not just your city, any more than it's your lane on the freeway, or your water in the pipes below. If you believe that only your speech should be protected, and by virtue of your proximity to it, then we do share a common mindset. I believe my country should be protected from outside influences also. I don't wish to have banners in spanish hanging from the light poles in my city. That would be a imposition too.
"Your assumption that you are the only true American is bigoted. If you can't see that, then you are a self righteous bigot. The American experience is a multicultural one that makes us stronger by uniting us in celebration of our diversity. You would rather have a homogenous culture devoid of color and flavor and always in fear of other people. "
C'mon now. We have lived alongside other culturally descended people in America for centuries. The objections to it sprang up en-masse only when the laws were not being enforced, the cultural make-up started rapidly changing to reflect that failure, and the culturally acclimated immigrants began making demands and taking liberties not extended to everyone, but instead by virtue of culture. It is discriminatory, and racist.
"You fear Mexicans. We terrify you. Our music, art, language, food and mannerisms all frighten you. If you didn’t fear us, you would be able to see how much we have to offer and how much we have already given the development of American culture."
You are only partially right here. I did not start rebel against mexicans and their influence until that culture started to invade my life in a negative way, and in spite of equal protections. If you are going to claim the culture and it's offerings, you must also take the responsibility for its' negative aspects as well. I know what was to offer. Nothing more, or more special than any other, or that would be supremist. All cultures have something to offer; But none have something so worthy that it should be allowed the deferrence of codes or rules. If you believe in equality, than you have little other choice than to accept and abide by rules, as long as they are applied equally. If you believe you are entitled to something in America by virtue of your race, creed or national origin, then yes, I fear you.
But what I fear more, is mexican influence that has been directed and encouraged to one geographic location, in spite of laws, without regard to current inhabitants wishes (my city?), and for a reason other than the enrichment of all concerned. It isn't about diversity, else there would be 20 languages in every school; If it was about multiculturism the same forces would be sending chinese, russians, and pakistanis to mexico. It's all about sending mexicans to the US. The facts and the evidence point there. Hard to dispute that.
by BorderRaven
Monday, Oct. 17, 2005 at 3:25 PM
But, maybe you're on to something. We need to get off our butts and promote SOS forums more.
by A mexican
Monday, Oct. 17, 2005 at 4:44 PM
I support SOS and the Minutemen!!! Get over the Nazi racist shit!! I was in Campo last night, I patrolled the border!! Viva La Migra!!! Yes I am an American Mexican/Hispanic who loves this country!!! The real Racists are the people who call us un-American....Leslie, racist, Duane , rcaist, Fred, racist. Seriously, if you actually cared for the illegals, then why don't you go go to Mexico and protest Fox? I have family that live in Mexico City. I am sure they will give you a place to stay while you demand that the Mexican government give the Mexican people all the benefits that they get here. I am positive Fox would love to hear your demands. However, you goons have no balls to do that. All you can do is harass us Americans Go to Mexico and protest...please do.....see how far you get. Take the problem to the source....I dare you!!!!
by Alpha Team
Tuesday, Oct. 18, 2005 at 12:23 PM
the source of the problem is the Murder Inc. arm of Wall Street. Democratic reforms or reformers are taken care of as not to disturb the economic rape of resorces or labor. You are a usefull idiot. Thank you.
by Pachuco
Tuesday, Oct. 18, 2005 at 7:44 PM
You failed to correctly interpret the messages on the Monument.
Most of the statements you oppose were uttered by racist whites about Mexicans.
The statement that the land will be Indian again is an observation of changing demographics and not racist at all. Unlike Manifest Destiny, which called for genocide, the statement on the monument is benign.
The Latino community is growing because of the increased birthrate among Americans of Mexican ancestry, not because of undocumented immigrants.
There are over 250 million people in the US, of that, less than 3 million are undocs – barely over one percent of the total population and you want everyone to believe that such a small number of people cause traffic jams, crime waves, poverty, loss of jobs, smog, inflation and even earthquakes.
Your statement:
“All cultures have something to offer; But none have something so worthy that it should be allowed the deference of codes or rules. If you believe in equality, than you have little other choice than to accept and abide by rules, as long as they are applied equally. If you believe you are entitled to something in America by virtue of your race, creed or national origin, then yes, I fear you.”
What rules are you talking about in your statement above? The Whites Only Laws of the 50s?
You fail to realize that Mexicans have contributed to what you call your life style more than any other culture. We financed 80% of the American Revolution, fought off the British in the Golf of Mexico and all along the western front of the colonies. We gave you the cowboy culture, which is viewed worldwide as the defining characteristic of Americana. We gave you the Barbeque and barbeque sauce, corn on the cob, potatoes from which chips for dip are made from and many other food stuff that comprise the traditional Fourth of July banquet. Mexicans introduced the guitar to both whites and blacks in the South and Southwest – I don’t have to tell you how much Americans have utilized that instrument.
America has been Mexicanizing for centuries. You like the culture, but not the brown faces that go with it.
We have a right to what is ours, what was stolen from us by Manifest Destiny, Racism and Oppression – we want to be the masters of our own destinies and not the pawns of European Imperialistic Ideologists. We are working towards our freedom by voting, getting college degrees and rebuilding our communities. That’s the only way we can undo over 500 years of oppression. It is ethnic pride, and it’s about time that we had some, since that too was stolen from us 500 years ago.
by canat
Tuesday, Oct. 18, 2005 at 10:43 PM
pacuko, as usual you are speaking out of your arse.
you are not, nor do you speak for, any INDIGENOUS peoples.
the MExiKKKan is just another expoiter of OUR culture, you have no right to speak.
by Vietnam Vet
Wednesday, Oct. 19, 2005 at 12:33 PM
why don't you go fuck yourself, cannat. with the dildo you rode in on.
by canat
Wednesday, Oct. 19, 2005 at 11:18 PM
your buttplay games i am sure u and pochocho have alot of fun.. only thing im wondering is if you guys switch off "pitcher and catcher"
by to puke hole canat
Thursday, Oct. 20, 2005 at 12:46 AM
I am not you, thank God. Seems to me that you serve as the "pitcher and catcher" in your own racist public jerkoff. Others get caught in your spray and hope you swallow that thing soon. Get my drift?
by Fredric L. Rice
Thursday, Oct. 20, 2005 at 3:39 PM
frice@skeptictank.org
> Who gives a hoot what the difference is? A racist > xenophobe is a racist xenophobe, whether they > drape themselves in a swastika, an american flag, > brown skin, whatever.
That's actually astute and straight to the point. What's relevent is these people's actions and their stated ideologies. If they refuse to admit that they're neo-Nazis even as they stand next to them, even as they trade and share members, supporters, applauders, participants, and defenders, that's irrelevent.
The odd SOSMM who _isn't_ a neo-Nazi really has no excuse retaining membership since rationally, logically, morally, and ethically they would have walked away and joined legitimate anti-immigration groups.
Those who remain within the SOSMM -- well, they're as much as admitting what they actually stand for.
My opinions only and only my opinions.
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