There will be a meeting thursday June 8 around 7, 7:30, to start organizing some of the pachanga details--music, food, guerrilla theater actions, etc., in preparation for the June 12 organizational meeting. Still working on securing the location, but it should be somewhere in central LA, near downtown. Please email RASKACHE-AT-YAHOO-DOT-COM to receive more info. If you can help with music, food, logistics, performance/teatro, puppetry, kids' activities, please get in touch.

here is the original post on indymedia:

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2005/06/128059.php

to clarify a little bit: this is not simply a call to "party" and not worry about the very real and serious threat these SOS/MM people pose. It is an effort to counter their violence without falling into the traps they are setting for us with media, police, and provocation of violence. Everybody is scared, on all sides, and fear leads to anger leads to hate leads to the dark side, que no, yoda? We can't fall into their trap of fear. We can't let them dictate our responses. We have to stay on our toes and be creative in how we defend ourselves. This is not a passive stance. Please don't let them close your minds the way theirs are--in the end, that is their ultimate goal.

peace love rage

raska che

sorry correction it's June 9. THURSDAY JUNE 9.

sofunky: "THERE WILL BE NO PEACE, UNTIL THERE IS JUSTICE FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. ALL ILLEGALS MUST BE REMOVED."



...and right after that, the MMP and SOS will develop a unified field theory shortly after placing a patent on their perpetual motion machine!

For all those SOS and MMP members disillusioned by their ineffectiveness, I am proposing a new group that will engage in a massive circle jerk (with shitpile as the pivot person) in the desert each week until illegal immigration has stopped.

Al diablo con tu pinche Pachanga



You should really cease and desist.

You don't have a base in the Chican@, Mexican@ or CentroAmerican@ communities, you don't represent the community, you are going off on an individualistic track all by yourslef with no backing, no base and - clearly, even by your own admission - no experience.

You are ignoring and disrespecting the community that is organizing, not even bringing your ideas to them for consultation.

You know when the meetings are - all of us who care know.

There is no excuse for this kind of individualism.

!Unate con tu pueblo! !No seas sinverguenza!

Your People on the border are dying.

Leave your damn pizza and burgers at home and hit the streets in defense of your pueblo. Bring a #%^* flag.

If you'd been there in the street , if you'd seen the blood in the damn street, if you'd seen your friends and comrades laying there run over by the fascists, maybe you'd show some damn respect.

I'm lost. What are you talking about? Oh and btw, I WAS there in the street (those are MY pictures of the people hit by the fascists all over different indymedia sites). I, for one, think R. Che has great idea. I also think others should organize in their own way. 500 different tactics make it 500 times harder to stop a movement. If you like this idea, show up with a groove, if you don't, bring a mask and flag. Just understand that SOS is using the media coverage to recruit new people and grow. They also want a large response to cost the city money (police hours) as punishment for the monument. We need to be creative. Many are showing up early to take the area they want before they get there, that way, they will have to go somewhere else. Others (R. Che) are planning a diversity celebration. Others have made it into the inter-workings of the SOS group and are planning to disrupt from within. There are three examples of three different methods. If you don't like it, do a fourth one.

Where is the location of the meeting?

pocho, you should consider joining the SOS, you are about as reactionary as they are. your close-minded responses help support their cause. you sound like cointelpro, ese, ready to foment division and knock down any creative response that doesn't fit within the safe parameters of allowed dissent.

consultation with the larger group will occur this sunday, when they have their first meeting, where they invited all progressive groups and individuals. In the MEANTIME, I thought we could get some shit started. which we already have.

how do you know what/who we represent? how do you know my/our connection to the "community"? did you check with your pals at the FBI to get some info on me?

just because this idea didn't spring from your own cabeza or your group's party line, you have to piss all over it como un perro marking his macho territory. guao guao!

This is not just an individual, by the way, and as I pointed out, we are working to develop some of these more creative elements so we can take them to the larger frente organizing and say "this is what we have been doing so far, we'd like to work this in with what you all are doing and hopefully save you some work and effort in these areas."

cease and desist?

no, cease thinking for yourself and you might as well be deceased. or at least, diseased.

if you don't like these ideas, that's fine, you don't have to. just don't waste a bunch of energy trying to knock them down so you can prove how much superior your own/your organization's ideas are. it wastes both our time and energy and I would rather you do your thing, and let us do our thing, and just chill the fuck out, man. we're not gangas fighting over spots of concrete.

or are we, even in the "activist" world?

C/S



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the meeting time is 7 p.m. location of the meeting has been secured, please email for it. shit, see, now I have wasted so much time responding to this and I have so much I need to do and could have done. this is how we bring each other down and fail to make any real change. this is how we maintain the status quo from within. como cangrejos.

The leaderless/leaderful quality of small groups mobilizing together brought out something like a thousand people to the first BP. It brought hundreds to the GG. It's pushed SOS to reach down into the pit of their fears to attempt to push forward with their second attempt at BP.

This is all part of the next step.

I hope you conflicting guys/gals can smooth things over to make something good out of this.

Look ese, it's good you're bothering to go on to the meeting on the 12th, but that's all I'll give you.

On the other hand, it still smacks of egotism and pride - and of being a pinche sinverguenza - to announce an action all by yourself, decide its nature before you've consulted anyone else, and to make a move without talking to either the organizers of BP1 or Garden Grove first, much less the coaltion coming together on the 12th.

I really don't give a damn how "creative" you think you are as an "individual" - that's not how our community functions.

This has nothing to do with "authority" -it has to do with the willingness to unite and to make community based decisions that people will respect .

That's how I know you aren't backed by the community - it shows up in how you're handling this. Our people _don't work that way_.

What _you're_ doing is a distraction and divisive.

You've divided people between those who will go somewhere _else_ to _party_ at your pachanga and those who see the urgency of confronting the MinutemenSOS fascists in order to deal them a defeat they can't recover from - so that our gente crossing the frontera won't get _killed_ or rounded up later and stuck in some kind of "detention" camps.

And you created this division just by dreaming up an action all alone in your own head without consulting anyone.

I am not suggesting that there should not be either a festive or ceremonial aspect to what goes down. Your idea is worht debate and consideration even if I disagree with it. (And even though I disagree with it I do think it hs some seconday aspects that are worth soem real thought.)

But that's not the point. You're just DOING it - and the community in dialog about its strengths and weaknesses means nothing to you -at least nothing worth waiting around for.

After all you're the man, right?

In the meantime there are dozens, even hundreds of us out ehre trying to figure out how to _balance_ our various persepctives and intentions and make room for everyone, people doing the real, hard, poltical and moral work to unite with one another _across_ their differences.

This is just as complicated in the Chican@ community as anywhere else, and besides, now the CentroAmerican@ and Indigenous communities are in the mix.

Do you think that Indians and migrant people who are the targets of this - along with the Xican@ indigenist and nationalist groups - should all just tag along behind you when you haven't shown any respect to them?

No - respect is returned where it is given.

Don't you think the so called undocumented worker's have a voice at least equal to yours?

Don't you think you should at least _Listen_ to them before you make a decision?

It would seem not.

Respeto is a core value of our people - and its on that basis - your lack of it - that I object to what you're doing and how you're doing it.

To 1 PLANET - I respect you brother. You've been out there on the front lines when very few white people gave a damn at all. I think you are a sincere man.

But this doesn't have to do with politics as the so-called "left" deals with them - this discussion is outside those categories.

What you are missing is that what RaskaChe is doing violates community standards and cultural norms, and creates distrust and division in so doing.

By the way, the two previous demos were not leaderless, only inadequately led, based in part on the short time frames that made it hard to coalesce before the events.

That lack of leadership had some bad results at Garden Grove. We should have called an end to the demo the minute the police blocked us to let the Minutemen out.

It might have saved us some of the arrests.

A lot of peope are working to make sure we are much better organized and unified this time out.

El Pocho

> The leaderless/leaderful quality of small groups

> mobilizing together brought out something like a

> thousand people to the first BP. It brought hundreds

> to the GG. It's pushed SOS to reach down into the pit

> of their fears to attempt to push forward with their

> second attempt at BP.

The whole reason the racists are trying again in Baldwin Park is because they suffered a massive, humiliating defeat when the _people_ of the community turned out to oppose everything they stand for.

Happy racists don't try to gather their survivers and cast about for reinforcements to try a second assault against the people of BP, and against freedom of speech, art, and expression.

It must really suck to constantly find themselves on the wrong side of virtue, tolerance, and everything relevant that America stands for.

My opinions only, of course, but that's what it looks like from their writings and actions. As yet not a single one of them has denounced Hal Netkin, not where I've read, any way. That also speaks volumes.

> You've divided people between those who will go

> somewhere _else_ to _party_ at your pachanga and

> those who see the urgency of confronting the

> MinutemenSOS fascists in order to deal them a

> defeat they can't recover from - so that our gente

> crossing the frontera won't get _killed_ or rounded

> up later and stuck in some kind of "detention"

> camps.

You're mistaken, El Pocho. The food, music, dance is just _part_ of opposing the racists and fascists, it's not a diversion from the main task. There's no reason why there can't be food, music, and express our freedoms (while we still have them) while we oppose the white supremists.

Personlly I intend to hold protest signs along the highway, break for lunch and see if the music is anything worth listening to, hopefully have something cold to drink, and then get back to holding protest signs out along traffic.

Certainly I won't be standing across from the white supremists yelling at them, doing exactly what they _want_ people to do. I might even ask one or two of them why they don't denounced Hal Netkin's vehicular assault against peaceful anti-hate protesters -- but I'll not play the script they're trying to get the good guys to act out for the cameras.

Also the notion that individuals and other groups must contact some larger group to check bases with them -- even if they're not actively seeking _permission_ -- seems utterly anithema to the way these grass roots protests normally flow.

I'm new to the anti-white supremists venu but I've got years of anti-organized crime activism and even more years of environmental activism, and looking at how demonstrations against criminals, crooks, racists, quack medical frauds, organized crime, organized treason, environmental rapists, corporate crooks, animal vivisectionists et al. is always one of diverse groups and individuals setting aside differences, organizing in multiple, creative waysrubbing up against each other on occasion, but setting aside differences to oppose the common foe.

Food and fun is a _good_ idea. While I examined the clowns at BP1, the stark fact that they were upset, annoyed, nearly suicidal because they couldn't scrape up enough white supremists to present anything but a pathetic showing was massively evident in their faces. They were dejected and demoralized because they're in the minority of opinion and because the _people_ of the community came out in overwhelming numbers to oppose what they stand for.

The only way having food, music, dance while we protest, picket, and demonstrate against such people would be divisive is if someone gets it into his or her head that it's devisive and tries to get others to split with them.

I also tend to think that there's not enough fun, music, and laughter in this world, less so with this fascist Bush regime's war crime atrocities against humanity. A little fun while we oppose the serious threat to America that these people pose is a good, good thing.

My opinions only, of course. I could be entirely mistaken.