{"article":{"id":266100,"heading":"Climate Change and the Great Inaction, 20pp","author":"Sean Sweeney","created":"2014-10-08 17:34:33","modified":"2014-10-13 14:50:54","last_modified":"Mon, 13 Oct 2014 21:50:54","article":"

to download the 20-page study \"Climate Change and the Great Inaction,\" September 2014, click on

http:\/\/www.rosalux.de\/fileadmin\/rls_uploads\/pdfs\/sonst_publikationen\/tue<\/a>...

New Trade Union Perspectives

This paper has been written for unions and

unionists who are perhaps in the early stages

of their engagement with climate change

and who feel they might benefit from knowing

“the story so far” in terms of trade union involvement.

But it is also being written with an

eye to the future, to generate discussion that

may help unions develop the kind of compelling

ideas and proposals that can lead to an

increase in membership engagement and climate

activism. A global movement demanding

immediate and effective action on climate

change is urgently needed, and unions can

play an important and potentially decisive role.

However, part of the process of building such

a movement will require taking stock, in broad

terms, of what has been learned with regard to

past efforts both practically and at the level of

ideas and core theoretical assumptions.

This paper focuses mainly on the UN level,

where the level of union activity has been very

significant and worthy of examination. It will be

clear from what follows that the climate politics

of the international trade union movement has

reached an impasse–the same is also true of

other movements who have fought for a global

climate agreement and have seen their hopes

shattered. But this is more than a problem of

barking up the wrong tree, or of the wrong

set of persons sitting in the seats of power at

the wrong time.

<\/p>\n","contact":"marc1seed@yahoo.com","link":"http:\/\/www.freembtranslations.net","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/plain","summary":"More information at www.climateandcapitalism.com, www.commondreams.org, www.onthecommons.org, www.therealnews.com, www.truth-out.org, www.submedia.tv, www.citizen.org and www.worklessparty.org","numcomment":37,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2014\/10\/266100.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":266101,"heading":"corrected URL","article":"http:\/\/www.rosalux-nyc.org\/en\/climate-change-and-the-great-inaction\/","author":"Sean Sweeney","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2014-10-08 17:39:52","modified":"2014-10-08 17:39:52","fileurl":""},{"id":266104,"heading":"oh, boy!","article":"Gotta have those carbon taxes to curtail 'greenhouse gasses' and other buzz words.\r\nGonna be a nasty winter. Hope the 'global bull shit' is there to lower your fuel bills, heat your house and pay for the rise in food prices.","author":"yet anotther climate dance!","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2014-10-08 17:55:16","modified":"2014-10-08 17:55:16","fileurl":""},{"id":266107,"heading":""Gonna be a nasty winter"","article":"oh I remember now ^","author":"crazy_inventor","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"image\/png","created":"2014-10-08 18:18:20","modified":"2014-10-08 18:18:20","fileurl":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/bills_science_lesson.png","image":{"original":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/bills_science_lesson.png"}},{"id":266111,"heading":"climate meat puppet now animated","article":"these parrots of the IMF always use the same track.\r\nHeadlong into assholism and pretentious 'superiority' from the looney bin.\r\nagain, thank you hex, for still being a great asshole.\r\nAnd johnk too. We can't forget johnk.","author":"Wanking for Climate whatever...","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2014-10-08 18:38:23","modified":"2014-10-08 18:38:23","fileurl":""},{"id":266112,"heading":"strawmen by any other names","article":"carbon tax, mere CO2, global 'cooling' and all the other fossil fool stink tank taking points are obsolete\r\n\r\nwe're in the age of methane bomb, climate chaos, with exponentially rising oceans now\r\n\r\n..and don't forget permanent drought","author":"crazy_inventor","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"image\/png","created":"2014-10-08 18:47:51","modified":"2014-10-08 18:47:51","fileurl":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/miami-sea-level-trend.png","image":{"original":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/miami-sea-level-trend.png"}},{"id":266113,"heading":"laughing now","article":"And your raw data is from which verified source?\r\nI mean other than out from your overlarge asshole?","author":"Kool","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2014-10-08 18:51:11","modified":"2014-10-08 18:51:11","fileurl":""},{"id":266114,"heading":""For Miami, Sea Level Rise Has Already Gone Exponential"","article":"AP story showing the effects of 9 inches of sea level rise over the last 100 years. What the story doesn\u2019t mention is that half of this sea level rise has occurred within the past 16 years and fully a third of it has occurred within the past 5 years. Video source: Associated Press.)\r\n\r\nThis week, Miami is scrambling to deal with a flooding emergency.\r\n\r\nBut the cause is not the looming approach of a major hurricane or even a powerful tropical storm. The flood emergency for the coming three days is simply a seasonal astronomical high tide. Something they are now calling a King Tide. A condition that arises due to solar and lunar alignment a few times every year. A gravitational flux that pushes high tides another foot or so above the normal range.\r\n\r\nDecades or even years ago, astronomical high tide wasn\u2019t so much of a problem for Miami. Now, it means flooded roads and runways. It means salt water backing up through city drainage and municipal water systems. It means sea walls over-topped. It means lawns, properties and businesses covered in water.\r\n\r\nThe crisis is so serious that the city has already allocated more than 400 million dollars to deal with the problem. And this week, crews and flood prevention planners are scrambling to face the rising seas.\r\n\r\nRapidly Rising Waters\r\n\r\n[ above measurement chart ]\r\n\r\n(Peak high tide trend from 1998 through 2014 shows sea levels rose by 4.3 inches over the past 16 years with most of the rise occurring since 2008. Image source: Dr. Zhaohua Wu, FSU)\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/eoas.fsu.edu\/people\/faculty\/dr-zhaohua-wu\r\n\r\n\r\nAt issue is the fact that Miami is facing a climate change driven sea level rise that is in the process of going exponential. A ramping rate of water rise that is being driven by a combination of glacial melt, ocean expansion due to warming, a backing up of the Gulf Stream which is raising waters all along the Eastern Seaboard, and a continuation of land subsistence in South Florida due to a variety of factors.\r\n\r\nFrom 1914 through 1998, sea levels rose by an average of 0.06 inches per year \u2014 a rate that was barely noticeable to residents and city planners alike. But from 1998 to 2009 the pace increased to a more troubling 0.14 inches per year. And from 2009 to the present year the pace again jumped to a terrifying 0.67 inches per year.\r\n\r\nAn exponential rate of sea level rise that, in the past year alone, raised Miami\u2019s surrounding ocean waters by 0.86 inches. Should the observed sea level rise over recent years continue, Miami will be facing 6-9 feet of additional water by the end of this century and not the 3-4 feet currently predicted.\r\n\r\nVulnerable Miami, South Florida\r\n\r\nMiami is particularly vulnerable to such rapid rates of sea level rise for a couple of reasons. First, most of Miami is less than four feet above 20th Century sea levels. So even moderate rates of sea level rise put major portions of the city under water. Second, the city sits on porous limestone. The rock, riddled with holes, leaks like a sieve. So building sea walls won\u2019t help Miami much as water will simply rise up through the rocks themselves.\r\n\r\nBecause Miami is so low-lying and surrounded on almost all sides by water, it is often seen as one of the most vulnerable cities to human-driven climate change. However, the geological conditions are not unique to Miami and remain a problem for almost all Florida cities. The porous limestone is a feature of the entire Florida Peninsula. So the problems Miami is facing now will become problems for hundreds of cities and communities up the coast and in more central regions of the state as well.\r\n\r\nAt most immediate risk is all of South Flordia. Miami-Dade and Broward Counties have about half of their residents living below the 4 foot above sea level line. Collier and Monroe counties also boast very large populations within just 4 feet of already rapidly rising seas. Such a rise would generate inland water upwelling throughout much of south Florida and the Everglades even as many coastal regions faced inundation. Small, low-lying islands and barrier zones would be swallowed by the sea or broken by incursions through weak points. The mangroves, already in retreat, would be swiftly beaten back. Inland lakes, invaded by higher pressure salt water from below, would also rise.\r\n\r\n[ this image ]\r\n\r\n(Sea level rise observations and projections through 2060 for Key West. Note that observations end at 2009 and that the tidal gauges have recorded a 3 inch sea level rise from 2009 through 2014 for Miami \u2014 already hitting the bottom range of expected sea level rise by 2030. Image source: Southeast Florida Regional Climate Change Compact Page.)\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.broward.org\/NATURALRESOURCES\/CLIMATECHANGE\/Pages\/SoutheastFloridaRegionalClimateCompact.aspx\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nAs an example, seasonal high tides are already having an effect on the Delray Beach region that is starkly similar to problems now plainly visible in Miami. In the historic Marina neighborhood, water bubbles up from storm drains and spills over the banks of the Intracoastal Waterway into streets.\r\n\r\nCharle Dortch, a resident for 17 years said in a recent interview with the Sun Sentinel:\r\n\r\n \u201cIt\u2019s progressively getting worse. The water is coming up the roadway right into people\u2019s front yards. It\u2019s flooding the parking area. It\u2019s coming up higher and higher every year.\u201d\r\n\r\n","author":"crazy_inventor","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2014-10-08 19:02:44","modified":"2014-10-08 19:02:44","fileurl":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/finalunifiedslrprojection.jpg","image":{"original":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/finalunifiedslrprojection.jpg"}},{"id":266115,"heading":"data points and fraud","article":"I sure like your data point 'spread'. Your graph and your data base assistants, you know, your crew of 'elves', suck. Do you even proof read the shit they give you to post?\r\nAnd, where is that awful methane extinction event?\r\nAre you going to try to pull the Permian period again and be humiliated? Again?","author":"notice this","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2014-10-08 19:10:01","modified":"2014-10-08 19:10:01","fileurl":""},{"id":266116,"heading":"the same old troll tactic","article":"1.) it's not happening\r\n\r\n2.) the data (all data from every climate scientist in the world that doesn't agree with fossil fool stink tanks and me) is false\r\n\r\n3.) change the subject (where's that methane event that's only just beginning, finished yet, with the debunking data I NEVER POSTED - just talk about)\r\n\r\nso predictable\r\n\r\n\r\nyou asked for citations - I provided them\r\n\r\nwhere's yours?","author":"crazy_inventor","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"image\/png","created":"2014-10-08 19:18:46","modified":"2014-10-08 19:18:46","fileurl":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/powell-science-pie-chart_0.png","image":{"original":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/powell-science-pie-chart_0.png"}},{"id":266117,"heading":"what?","article":""Gone Exponential"\r\nwhat?\r\nSea level rise?\r\nYou're plain insane. With idiotic graphs and stupid cartoons.\r\nSea level rise'\r\n\r\nRise of sea levels is 'the greatest lie ever told' - Telegraph\r\n\r\nwww.telegraph.co.uk\/ comment\/ columnists\/ christopherbooker\/ 5067351\/ Rise-of-sea-levels-is-the-greatest-lie-ever-told.html - \r\n\r\nMar 28, 2009 ... The uncompromising verdict of Dr M\u00f6rner is that all this talk about the sea rising is nothing but a colossal scare story","author":""I provided them"","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2014-10-08 19:35:21","modified":"2014-10-08 19:35:21","fileurl":""},{"id":266118,"heading":"more on this point","article":"Leo vs. science: vanishing evidence for climate change | New York ...\r\n\r\nwww.nypost.com\/ 2014\/ 09\/ 14\/ leo-v-science-vanishing-evidence-for-climate-change\/ -\r\nSep 14, 2014 ... Other climate-change fantasists, who do have a scientific background, ... Rates of sea-level rise remain small and are even slowing","author":"Kool","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2014-10-08 19:38:26","modified":"2014-10-08 19:38:26","fileurl":""},{"id":266119,"heading":"nypost is a murdock media organ - faux noise","article":"ah - a hit piece against Leo, and the author is \r\nBy Tom Harris and Bob Carter\r\n\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.desmogblog.com\/bob-carter\r\n\r\n\r\nRobert (Bob) Carter is a former research professor at James Cook University, Queensland, Australia, and advisor to multiple climate science denial organisations around the world. He was head of the university's School of Earth Sciences between 1981 and 1999 and then held unpaid adjunct professorial positions. In January 2013 the university allowed his adjunct status to lapse, citing lack of input into the university. He is a marine geologist and environmental scientist. [2]\r\n\r\nIn response to claims made by Carter that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change had not uncovered evidence that global warming was caused by human activity, a former CSIRO climate scientist stated that Carter was not a credible source on climate change and that \u201cif he [Carter] has any evidence that [global warming over the past 100 years] is a natural variability he should publish through the peer review process.\u201d\r\n\r\nCarter has written numerous newspaper articles primarily for UK and Australian newspapers that attempt to disprove global warming. He has also written two books.\r\n\r\nIn reference to his involvement with the Institute for Public Affairs (IPA), Carter stated in a March 15, 2007 Sydney Morning Herald article: \u201cI don't think it is the point whether you are paid by the coal or petroleum industry.\u201d [3]\r\n\r\nAccording to leaked documents Carter receives $1,667 a month from the Heartland Institute\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.sourcewatch.org\/index.php?title=Heartland_Institute\r\n\r\n\r\n# 1 Ties to the Koch Brothers\r\n# 2 Ties to the American Legislative Exchange Council\r\n\r\n * 2.1 Heartland Partners With ALEC to Roll Back Renewable Energy Sources\r\n\r\nLeaked documents\r\n\r\nAn anonymous donor called "Heartland Insider" released documents in February 2012 of the Heartland Institute's budget, fundraising plan, and Climate Strategy for 2012.\r\n\r\nThe 2012 Heartland Climate Strategy states that the Institute got $200,000 in 2011 from the Charles G. Koch Foundation, and nearly a million from an anonymous donor. Goals of the organization included:\r\n\r\n * working with David E. Wojick on "providing [K-12 school] curriculum that shows that the topic of climate change is controversial and uncertain - two key points that are effective at dissuading teachers from teaching science";\r\n * "sponsor[ing] the NIPCC [Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change] to undermine the official United Nation's IPCC [International Panel on Climate Change] reports" including paying "a team of writers $388,000 in 2011 to work on a series of editions of Climate Change Reconsidered"; and\r\n * funding climate change deniers Craig Idso ($11,600 per month), Fred Singer ($5,000 a month), James Taylor who has written a lot about Climategate through his Forbes blog, and Anthony Watts ($90,000 for 2012) to challenge "warmist science essays that counter our own," including funding "external networks (such as WUWT [Watts Up With That?] and other groups capable of rapidly mobilizing responses to new scientific findings, news stories, or unfavorable blog posts)."[24]\r\n\r\nThe Institute later confirmed the authenticity of some of the released documents\r\n\r\nFunding\r\n\r\nMedia Transparency lists Heartland as having received grants from a range of foundations between 1986 and 2009. Of these foundations, by far the largest donor has been the foundation of Chicago industrialist Barre Seid[50], maker of Tripp Lite surge protectors.\r\n\r\n * Barbara and Barre Seid Foundation $1,037,977\r\n * Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation $648,000\r\n * Exxon Mobil $531,500\r\n * Walton Family Foundation $400,000\r\n * Sarah Scaife Foundation $325,000\r\n * Charlotte and Walter Kohler Charitable Trust $190,500\r\n * Jaquelin Hume Foundation $166,000\r\n * Rodney Fund $135,000\r\n * JM Foundation $82,000\r\n * Castle Rock Foundation $70,000\r\n * Roe Foundation $41,500\r\n * John M. Olin Foundation $40,000\r\n * Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation $40,000\r\n * Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation $37,578\r\n * Armstrong Foundation $30,000\r\n * Hickory Foundation $13,000\r\n * Carthage Foundation $10,000\r\n\r\nExxon funding\r\n\r\nAccording to spokesman Jim Lakely, Heartland received $736,500 from Exxon Mobil between 1998 and 2006.[51]\r\n\r\nGreenpeace's ExxonSecrets website lists some of these transactions.[52] (As mentioned above, Heartland insists that Exxon has not contributed to the group since 2006.)[53]\r\n\r\nExxon contributions include:\r\n\r\n * $30,000 in 1998;\r\n * $115,000 in 2000;\r\n * $90,000 in 2001;\r\n * $15,000 in 2002;\r\n * $85,000 for General Operating Support and $7,500 for their 19th Anniversary Benefit Dinner in 2003;\r\n * $85,000 for General Operating Support and $15,000 for Climate Change Efforts in 2004; and\r\n * $119,000 in 2005; and\r\n * $115,000 in 2006.\r\n","author":"crazy_inventor","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2014-10-08 19:59:30","modified":"2014-10-08 19:59:30","fileurl":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/bob-carter.jpg","image":{"original":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/bob-carter.jpg"}},{"id":266120,"heading":"the DATA I posted above mentioned Collier county","article":"I spent the best years of my life there - from Ft. Myers and Ft. Myers beach (I used to live on Mango st.) Sanibel island and Cape Coral (made blue boxes and cable boxes, did construction, landscaping, TV then car stereo repair), southward to Naples (Vanderbilt Beach) and into the Everglades. (knew a tour guide there)\r\n\r\nNow, in only a matter of years, according to the DATA and MEASUREMENTS above, it will be swallowed by the ocean, along with Miami..\r\n\r\n-------------------------------------------------------------------------------\r\n\r\nwill this thread go to 100 posts too, with you getting the last word by posting personal insults and repeated exxon funded drivel?\r\n\r\n- because getting the last word is all that matters to you now that I've mentioned your real name again\r\n","author":"crazy_inventor","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2014-10-08 20:46:13","modified":"2014-10-08 20:46:13","fileurl":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/ft-myers-beach.jpg","image":{"original":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/ft-myers-beach.jpg"}},{"id":266121,"heading":"and Booker yet again (4'th fucking time)","article":"http:\/\/www.desmogblog.com\/christopher-booker\r\n\r\nChristopher Booker is an English journalist, author, and has been a columnist for The Sunday Telegraph since 1990. [2]\r\n\r\nBooker has opposed the scientific consensus on numerous issues including global warming, the link between second-hand smoke and cancer, and the negative health effects of asbestos. [3], [4]\r\n\r\nAccording to The Carbon Brief, despite the agreement of major agencies including the World Heath Organisation and the US Department for Health and Human Services that all forms of asbestos are carcinogenic to humans, Booker has also repeatedly claimed white asbestos \u201cposes no measurable risk to health\u201d. [5]\r\n\r\n\u201cThe scientific evidence to support their belief that inhaling other people's smoke causes cancer simply does not exist.\u201d [3]\r\n\r\n Key Deeds\r\n\r\nDecember, 2009\r\n\r\nChristopher Booker and Richard North wrote a prominent feature article in The Sunday Telegraph titled \u201cQuestions over business deals of UN climate change guru Dr Rajendra Pachauri\u201d which made allegations of financial impropriety against the IPCC Chairman. [9]\r\n\r\nThe article alleged that Pachauri had been \u201cmaking a fortune from his links with 'carbon trading' companies,\u201d and that he had outside interests which would cause a \u201cconflict of interest\u201d with his position at the IPCC. \r\n\r\nAlthough the story was untrue, it circulated over hundreds of blogs and its allegations were widely spread before The Telegraph retracted it.\r\n\r\nShortly after the article was published, The Energy and Resources Institute (TERI), the organization that Pachauri works for, asked auditors to review his financial relationships.\r\n\r\nAuditors concluded:\r\n\r\n \u201cNo evidence was found that indicated personal fiduciary benefits accruing to Pachauri from his various advisory roles that would have led to a conflict of interest.\u201d [10]\r\n\r\nWhen Pachauri first approached the Telegraph he was rebuffed while their journalists continued to produce damaging articles and blog posts. He was forced to start a libel suit, and months later the Telegraph issued an apology and retraction. [11]\r\n\r\nMarch, 2009\r\n\r\nChristopher Booker was a speaker at the Heartland Institute.\r\n\r\n\r\nFebruary 4, 2009\r\n\r\nGeorge Monbiot of The Guardian launched a prize to be \u201cpresented to whoever crams as many misrepresentations, distortions and falsehoods into a single article, statement, lecture, film or interview about climate change.\u201d\r\n\r\nThe prize, named the \u201cChristopher Booker Prize\u201d was first awarded to Christopher Booker himself for an article he wrote on Arctic sea ice published in The Sunday Telegraph.\r\n\r\n\r\nAffiliations\r\n\r\n *\r\n\r\n The Sunday Telegraph \u2014 Columnist.\r\n","author":"crazy_inventor","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2014-10-08 22:54:48","modified":"2014-10-08 22:54:48","fileurl":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/christopher_booker.jpg","image":{"original":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/christopher_booker.jpg"}},{"id":266122,"heading":"so you re-post 5 year old lies","article":"from a fossil fool stink tank propaganda rag, that was forced to retract those lies, due to being sued for lying\r\n\t \r\n\t from a shill who's such an extreme liar, he even won a prize for the most lies told, including lies about asbestos and cigarette smoke.\r\n\t \r\n\t for the 4'th fucking time, AFTER I've already exposed him 3 times already\r\n\t \r\n\t 5 year old lies, about CURRENT DATA and actual measurements from a university and the city of Miami it'self..\r\n\r\nSo we're to believe Miami's spending $ 400 million on 5 year old proven lies from proven liars, who were sued for lying and had to retract those lies.. ..but you're still here spewing these (now) 5 year old lies debunked right here, 3 times already\r\n\r\n- you should get the worst liar prize\r\n\r\n","author":"crazy_inventor","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"image\/png","created":"2014-10-08 23:14:22","modified":"2014-10-08 23:14:22","fileurl":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/miami-sea-level-current-measurement.png","image":{"original":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/miami-sea-level-current-measurement.png"}},{"id":266123,"heading":"what?","article":""your real name again "\r\nlike you know anything about me. Go again for your 'bill' strawman... and graphs for morons'.\r\nSomething you desperately need to carry your argument.","author":"Farts Mc Fadden","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2014-10-09 00:56:56","modified":"2014-10-09 00:56:56","fileurl":""},{"id":266124,"heading":"lies mc liar","article":"4'th time debunked, 5 year old lies from the winner of the liar prize\r\n\r\n.. and that's all you have to say yourself\r\n\r\npathetic","author":"crazy_inventor","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2014-10-09 01:09:33","modified":"2014-10-09 01:09:33","fileurl":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/dr-bookers-asthma-cigarettes.jpg","image":{"original":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/dr-bookers-asthma-cigarettes.jpg"}},{"id":266140,"heading":"redux","article":"let's all do the 'climate change' dance.\r\nYes, winter is coming.\r\nI hope this "global warming" keeps my water pipes from freezing.","author":"Kool","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2014-10-09 19:47:35","modified":"2014-10-09 19:47:35","fileurl":""},{"id":266146,"heading":"dumbass","article":"- you're confusing climate with weather again","author":"crazy_inventor","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2014-10-10 00:44:09","modified":"2014-10-10 00:44:09","fileurl":""},{"id":266149,"heading":"who's the dumbass?","article":"And you're confusing global warming with climate change.\r\nWhat an idiot. ","author":"Kool","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2014-10-10 00:58:00","modified":"2014-10-10 00:58:00","fileurl":""},{"id":266150,"heading":"bill's 'doo is","article":"- that's climate CHAOS actually\r\n\r\nfor example what you try to describe as 'cold winter' or 'pipes freezing' is called polar vortex, which is due to the jetsreams weakening, so while your 'pipes are freezing' the Arctic is melting. The polar air mass becomes misplaced by warmer air that drives it southward over north america..\r\n\r\nyears before this new term polar vortex, when people would ask me about it I always said it was because the ice is melting\r\n\r\nthese polar vortex blasts represent the 'last gasps' of the Arctic ice before it melts completely.\r\n\r\nOnce the last of the ice does melt, the REAL climate chaos sets in. The Arctic ice is the northern hemisphere's air conditioner.\r\n\r\nSo as the charts I've been posting show, in the next few years, when the last of the Arctic ice melts, the pace of global warming will dramaticly pick up.\r\n\r\nAfter that, there will be no real winter AT ALL.\r\n\r\n- which might seem okay if your only concern is 'freezing pipes' but it's the SUMMER you've got to worry about then.\r\n\r\n- look at the state of California and the south-west - 500 year drought event and still worsening..\r\n\r\nWhen the last of the Arctic ice is gone these last few years will seem like a sunday picnic\r\n\r\nbut don't worry your fossil fool head over it, I'm sure big oil will save the day\r\n","author":"crazy_inventor","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2014-10-10 01:28:08","modified":"2014-10-10 01:28:08","fileurl":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/fantasy_addicts.jpg","image":{"original":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/fantasy_addicts.jpg"}},{"id":266156,"heading":"global warming is a scam","article":"My microwave froze up this morning. \r\n\r\nI went to the grocery store, bought a few items of frozen food, loaded it in the trunk, and when I got home all of the plastic bags had turned into a charred goo.\r\n\r\nSomething must be wrong with my freezer. It takes more than three minutes to boil and egg.\r\n\r\n------------------------------\r\n\r\nOnly a mental patient believes in the scam of global warming.\r\n\r\n","author":"dead_nessie","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2014-10-10 10:38:14","modified":"2014-10-10 10:38:14","fileurl":""},{"id":266157,"heading":"global warming is a scam","article":"Only a mental cripple believes in global warming.","author":"dead_nessie","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"image\/png","created":"2014-10-10 10:57:29","modified":"2014-10-10 10:57:29","fileurl":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/indymedia-oil_800x600__final.png","image":{"original":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/indymedia-oil_800x600__final.png"}},{"id":266159,"heading":""global warming is a scam"","article":"June\u2013August 2014 was the warmest such period across global land and ocean surfaces since record keeping began in 1880.","author":"crazy_inventor","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"image\/gif","created":"2014-10-10 12:50:45","modified":"2014-10-10 12:50:45","fileurl":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/latest_global_climate_measurement.gif","image":{"original":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/latest_global_climate_measurement.gif"}},{"id":266162,"heading":"NOAA??????","article":"I thought you mental defectives didn't like Big Government, but you're using their bullshit "statistics"? They fan the flames of abject stupidity, and you're their retarded cheerleader.\r\n\r\nYou truly are a mental defective, and wasting carbon credits to boot on this oil powered soapbox.","author":"laughing man","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2014-10-10 13:12:50","modified":"2014-10-10 13:12:50","fileurl":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/boogerboy_-_global_warming_is_real.jpg","image":{"original":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/boogerboy_-_global_warming_is_real.jpg"}},{"id":266163,"heading":"I must say, your 'data source' is impiccable","article":"\u201cIt\u2019s Worse Than We Thought\u201d \u2014 New Study Finds That Earth is Warming Far Faster Than Expected.\r\n\r\nUpper ocean heat anomaly map for 2002 through 2011 shows extreme global heating of the upper ocean during the past decade.","author":"crazy_inventor","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"image\/png","created":"2014-10-10 14:13:42","modified":"2014-10-10 14:13:42","fileurl":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/ocean-heat-map.png","image":{"original":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/ocean-heat-map.png"}},{"id":266168,"heading":"Super Typhoon Vongfong Churns Towards Japan","article":"Super Typhoon Vongfong has rapidly intensified over the past 24 hours, from wind speeds of 89 mph to 168 mph.\r\n\r\nVongfong, the sixth super typhoon of 2014, with winds speeds over 150 mph, is now the most intense storm on Earth so far in 2014.\r\n\r\n","author":"crazy_inventor","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"image\/png","created":"2014-10-10 22:43:20","modified":"2014-10-10 22:43:20","fileurl":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/super_typhoon_vongfong_churns_towards_japan.png","image":{"original":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/super_typhoon_vongfong_churns_towards_japan.png"}},{"id":266177,"heading":"very scary!","article":"never in my life have I ever seen such a colorful weather display.\r\nNow that's 'climate change'. \r\n Why go to a show? Just sit back and see the colors...LSD sure helps, right, hex?","author":"owww","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2014-10-11 19:20:58","modified":"2014-10-11 19:20:58","fileurl":""},{"id":266181,"heading":"yes you see bill","article":"they made that up - that's not a real image\r\n\r\n- your buddies at exxon said so\r\n\r\n","author":"crazy_inventor","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2014-10-11 19:58:16","modified":"2014-10-11 19:58:16","fileurl":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/super-typhoon-vongfong-turns-into-2014-s-strongest-storm.jpg","image":{"original":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/super-typhoon-vongfong-turns-into-2014-s-strongest-storm.jpg"}},{"id":266188,"heading":"a keeper for hex","article":"\u201cyour buddies at exxon \u201c\r\nThis is just one of the things that make this spook, in its limited hangout, gate keeping role, such an idiot asshole.\r\nIt wants the reader to believe that *unlike itself*, I have any sponsorship whatsoever from any source, (something hex, in its current metamorphosis is unable to honestly do ) which is merely an accusation which hex pulls out of its overlarge asshole to accuse me of. \r\nThen it goes down the habitual menu to accuse me of being some smuck named \u201cbill\u201d, running some trinkets shop, posting any article on this hostile, compromised IMC or having any thing to do with any criminal petroleum interests or parties. .\r\nEvery time it encounters any fucking thing it can bend or wedge into a 'climate change' or 'global warming' it goes for it like a pig in heat.\r\nOf course that coincides with its anti Geo-engineering ( chemtrails ) awareness crusade, its fear promotions ( ad campaign ) to promote the idea of, a carbon tax (which this pussy is even too buggered to directly advocate so it promotes authors who do ). while It goes in a head dive ( as it must monitor this wire for such heresy ) to attack or highjack any thread questioning its sphere of propaganda or a thread it can exploit to further its agenda.\r\nThat's the same asshole who told us in a VERY scientific way that depleted uranium was no problem because it was \u201clike lead in a battery\u201d.\r\n","author":"Old English","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2014-10-12 17:12:59","modified":"2014-10-12 17:12:59","fileurl":""},{"id":266190,"heading":"speaking of lead in a battery","article":"the nuclear official shills are still claiming that to this day, but I found out better and have corrected it a half dozen times here since then (Uranium is 1000 X's more toxic than lead, like mercury)\r\n\r\n.. funny you saw fit to leave that out\r\n\r\nplease be so kind as to link to any time or any instance at all where you criticized exxon or any other big oil or big nuke corporation.\r\n\r\nI have plenty of examples where you _parroted their stink tank propaganda_ even just above, in this very thread..\r\n\r\nif you're not working for exxon, you should be, since otherwise it's merely unpaid work\r\n\r\nnow about WIPP\r\n\r\nyou're surely aware by now of the continuing saga of the PLUTONIUM AND AMERICIUM releases from that beloved repository right in your own backyard.\r\n\r\n- when the wind blows right you're whiffing WIPP \r\n\r\nplease say you're not employed by Alamos\r\n\r\n\r\nand finally billy boy it seems your good friend John has verified your identity and since he views the server IP access logs I'm inclined to believe him - beyond what my own dox'ing shows _everytime_ I look up your chemtrail bullshit (3 times now)\r\n\r\nperhaps this is why you've gone on a rampage against him too since then\r\n\r\nUp until this point he was your BFF along with nessie. I was labelled a spook for years, even though by random chance (and a change of broadcast frequency and some harassment at the transmitter site by the chief engineer of a local radio cluster) I was provided a way to PROVE one of my signals on-air, via youtube videos (there are 3, I only posted 1) along with me saying the entire speech pre-air, clear as a bell.\r\n\r\n- becoming the world's first PROVEN 'spook' pirate radio station :)\r\n\r\nso, drop links of you reaming exxon a new overlarge asshole, or citing coal power plants for emitting URANIUM, THORIUM, RADON and daughter products, right in the very air you breathe, as measured by my own radiation detectors, that I've even posted my own graphs of, right here showing this..\r\n","author":"crazy_inventor","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"image\/png","created":"2014-10-12 20:15:25","modified":"2014-10-12 20:15:25","fileurl":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/methane-concentration.png","image":{"original":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/methane-concentration.png"}},{"id":266194,"heading":"and then there's the methane wank","article":"And still hex has never produced any creditable evidence to support the "methane time bomb" with any geological event ( even though it tried to associate the great Permian event not mentioning the massive vulcanism ) to support its crap scarioke song and dance.","author":"already?","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2014-10-13 02:44:14","modified":"2014-10-13 02:44:14","fileurl":""},{"id":266195,"heading":"one other thing...","article":"you don't know where I live, asshole, only where johnk told you this source I.P. was located. \r\n Funny 'boy'. You love goat trails, huh?","author":"a link","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2014-10-13 02:50:38","modified":"2014-10-13 02:50:38","fileurl":""},{"id":266196,"heading":"wrong extinction","article":"" Triassic-Jurassic mass extinction caused by >16,000 Gt methane \u2013 from clathrates\r\n\r\nMethane clathrates caused Triassic mass extinction\r\n\r\nScientists of Utrecht University have investigated fossil leaves found in terrestrial late Triassic sediments and discovered a large carbon-13 depletion.\r\n\r\nThat means 200,000,000 years ago The Methane Bomb went off.\r\n\r\nCrystal-caught methane\r\n\r\nMethane clathrates, or methane hydrates, are bubbles of methane caught within structures of crystallised water. These are formed over millions of years and are abundant at parts of the ocean floors. The crystallised water \u2013 much like ice \u2013 depends on constant (high) pressure and (low) temperature to keep intact.\r\n\r\nWe however no longer live on a constant planet \u2013 we see it sliding into a transitional phase. And based on findings in the Earth\u2019s fossil record, witnesses of such \u2013really rather rare\u2013 phases usually don\u2019t live to tell.\r\n\r\nIndeed, climate change, feedback\r\n\r\nAtmospheric warming leads to ocean warming, and that can in turn lead to \u2018melting\u2019 of the methane clathrates whereby the greenhouse gas is released to the atmosphere, acting as a positive climate feedback on the initial warming.\r\n\r\nTriassic-Jurassic paleoclimate\r\n\r\n \r\n\r\nLife on Earth must have grown used to the peace and quite of the Triassic period, 205 millions ago. Things had been green, lush, undisturbed and simple for tens of millions of years, with the ocean and \u2013\u2018right in the middle\u2019\u2013 the continent, the one supercontinent, Pangaea.\r\n\r\nThen the rift valleys came and geological forces tore Pangaea apart, leading to massive volcanism over extended periods of time \u2013 and the release of large amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere. So far this release has been directly linked to the T-J mass extinction.\r\n\r\n\u2018It was the methane feedback\u2019\r\n\r\nBut the volcanic CO2, the Utrecht scientists say, must have led to no more than an initial warming. Once the warming penetrated to the ocean floors it disturbed the clathrates.\r\n\r\nTheir measurements, published in Friday\u2019s edition of Science, indicate at least 12,000 gigatonnes of C13-depleted carbon entered terrestrial biology, indicating the release of a minimum of around 16,000 gigatonnes methane \u201cwithin only 10,000-20,000 years.\u201d\r\n\r\nThat they think is what created dramatic climate change \u2013 and what led to the massive biodiversity decline.\r\n\r\nIn the same sediments the scientists have also researched fossil spores and pollen, which showed vegetation changes reflecting \u201cstrong warming and an enhanced hydrological cycle.\u201d\r\n\r\nModern climate-methane feedback?\r\n\r\nThe question resounds: could this happen again? Since the PETM the Earth\u2019s oceans have once again had plenty of time to stockpile methane \u2013 and the physical mechanisms of warming and melting will not have changed since the Triassic. \r\n\r\nSo the answer should be yes.\r\n\r\n\r\nFaster CO2 rise, quicker methane release?\r\n\r\nThen again the speed with which the \u2018temperature shock wave\u2019 travels down through the water depends on the speed of the atmospheric CO2 concentrations increase.\r\n\r\nAccording to lead author Micha Ruhl this speed is now \u2018several times faster\u2019 than in the period he researched. So perhaps not count on any delay like the 10,000-20,000 year methane release period at the end of the Triassic.\r\n\r\nSometimes the biggest limitation of paleoscience does not seem to be the fact that we have to look back over all these millions of years, but that even then full analogies to our own little experiment with planet Earth simply do not seem to exist."\r\n--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\r\n\r\nPS. nice citation\r\n\r\nand nice links showing you EVER criticising big oil or big nuke, even once, in all these years - I knew you wouldn't disappoint ;)\r\n\r\n\r\nsay hi to exxon for me\r\n","author":"crazy_inventor","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2014-10-13 07:49:39","modified":"2014-10-13 07:49:39","fileurl":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/mass_extinctions.jpg","image":{"original":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/mass_extinctions.jpg"}},{"id":266197,"heading":"fool science","article":"What an asshole***\r\n\r\nCauses\r\n\r\nThis extinction is probably the least understood of the big five, because of the lack of accessible sediments for scientists to study. Most of the evidence suggests falling sea levels were probably responsible for the longer-term extinction patterns.\r\n\r\nAs the warm shallow seas decreased, reefs died and other marine organisms faced increased competition in less space. On land the lack of water would have led to more extreme temperatures and seasons. \r\n\r\nWhen deep water spread back over the continents it was low in oxygen, resulting in further marine extinctions.\r\n\r\nWhile the ultimate cause of this sea fall and rise isn\u2019t certain, it appears to be associated with the start of a volcanic rift forming between the Americas and Africa and Europe. This would eventually produce the Atlantic Ocean.\r\n\r\nAt the end of the Triassic, very large eruptions occurred along the rift zone (known as the Central Atlantic Magmatic Province) for about 500,000 years. The environmental changes these caused put further stress on life on Earth.\r\nhttp:\/\/www.nhm.ac.uk\/nature-online\/life\/dinosaurs-other-extinct-creatures\/mass-extinctions\/end-triassic-mass-extinction\/\r\n\r\nand to the reader to whom you wanted to sandbag with your Bull Shit Science degree...\r\nhttp:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/news\/2014\/10\/266100_comment.php#266188\r\n\r\nYup, the LA IMC sppok \/ gatekeeper, hex.\r\n","author":"Kool","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2014-10-13 10:57:14","modified":"2014-10-13 10:57:14","fileurl":""},{"id":266198,"heading":"no attribution, no author, no data, no citations","article":"and not even dated\r\n\r\nas you can see from my RECENT PEER REVIEWED CITATION above :\r\n\r\n"Scientists of Utrecht University.. ..MEASURED 12,000 gigatonnes of C13-depleted carbon" (via isotropic spectrometry)\r\n \r\n ..and this NEW RESEARCH was just published in PEER REVIEWED science\r\n \r\n \r\n try again billy boy\r\n\r\nPS. linking back to this very thread means nothing, I want to see a single example where you even just criticised any big oil or nuke corporation.\r\n\r\njust one, in all these years\r\n\r\n","author":"crazy_inventor","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2014-10-13 12:41:36","modified":"2014-10-13 12:41:36","fileurl":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/billy__boy_-_apologist_for_exxon.jpg","image":{"original":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2014\/10\/billy__boy_-_apologist_for_exxon.jpg"}},{"id":266200,"heading":""I want to see"","article":"what a pompous asshole you are, hex.\r\nYou offer proof to support *your* claim, pinhead.\r\nsomething you can't do without cartoons at your mental level.\r\nCO2 has never caused any problem and neither has methane except the gas from your overlarge asshole.\r\nhttp:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/news\/2014\/10\/266100_comment.php#266188\r\njust to refresh the reader's perspective about your role here.\r\n","author":"hex fucks sheep & johnk too","parent_id":266100,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2014-10-13 14:50:54","modified":"2014-10-13 14:50:54","fileurl":""}]}