{"article":{"id":260370,"heading":"PRISM - told you so","author":"imcer","created":"2013-06-09 01:16:25","modified":"2013-06-10 22:24:38","last_modified":"Tue, 11 Jun 2013 06:24:38","article":"

Here are the WaPo pictures.

I was unable to post the Anon leak. See this link.

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This article is a repost of the photos, and an archive of other documents supplied by Anonymous.","numcomment":11,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/2013\/06\/prism-slide-1.jpg","filesize":"64.5 kibibytes","article_url":"\/news\/2013\/06\/260370.php","image":{"original":"\/uploads\/2013\/06\/prism-slide-1.jpg","small":"\/uploads\/2013\/06\/prism-slide-1.jpgthumb.jpg","medium":"\/uploads\/2013\/06\/prism-slide-1.jpgmid.jpg"}},"attachments":[{"id":260371,"heading":"Slide 2","article":"From the Washington Post","author":"imcer","parent_id":260370,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2013-06-09 01:19:15","modified":"2013-06-09 01:19:15","fileurl":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2013\/06\/prism-slide-2.jpg","image":{"original":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2013\/06\/prism-slide-2.jpg"}},{"id":260372,"heading":"Slide 3","article":"From the Washington Post","author":"imcer","parent_id":260370,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2013-06-09 01:27:39","modified":"2013-06-09 01:27:39","fileurl":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2013\/06\/prism-slide-4.jpg","image":{"original":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2013\/06\/prism-slide-4.jpg"}},{"id":260373,"heading":"Slide 4","article":"From the Washington Post","author":"imcer","parent_id":260370,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2013-06-09 01:31:10","modified":"2013-06-09 01:31:10","fileurl":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2013\/06\/prism-slide-5.jpg","image":{"original":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2013\/06\/prism-slide-5.jpg"}}],"comments":[{"id":260377,"heading":"Do the Math - Surveillance and Exploitation","article":"The Mathematics of Repression and Exploitation\r\nby Michael Novick, Anti-Racist Action\/People Against Racist Terror\r\n\r\nThe New York Times late last year ran an \r\ninteresting series about mathematics -- "Me, \r\nMyself and Math" -- how numbers appear in and \r\naffect our lives, by a mathematician, Steven \r\nStrogatz, skillful at explaining abstract ideas \r\nin concrete ways. The whole series is well worth \r\nreading and following up on the source material he cites.\r\n\r\nI want to suss out some key points that he \r\nglosses over too quickly in a couple of the \r\npieces. They touch on issues of probability, \r\nweighted averages, and of scale that show how \r\nflawed "common sense" can sometimes be without the study of reality.\r\n\r\nThere are other segments too, such as \r\n"catastrophe" theory, that he relates to the \r\noutbreak of uprisings like the Arab Spring, and \r\nto sudden economic disjunctures where government \r\npolicies seem to have little or negative effect, \r\nand the economy drops precipitously or stagnates. \r\nThose are also worth study and analysis, but I'll \r\nstick with two points here. One is some insight \r\ninto 'networks' that suggest a counter-insurgency \r\nstrategy that is probably already well along, and \r\nthe other is the difficulty of getting people to \r\ngrasp just HOW unequal economic inequality really is.\r\n\r\nThe first requires a longish excerpt from \r\nStrogatz's writing, which starts out about social \r\nnetworking, and gets to the juicy point in a footnote. Here's the link:\r\n\r\n\r\nMe, Myself and Math September 17, 2012, 9:00 pm \r\nhttp:\/\/opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com\/2012\/09\/17\/friends-you-can-count-on\/#postComment\r\n59 Comments\r\n\r\nFriends You Can Count On\r\n\r\nBy STEVEN STROGATZ\r\n\r\n>You spend your time tweeting, friending, liking, \r\n>poking, and in the few minutes left, cultivating \r\n>friends in the flesh. Yet sadly, despite all \r\n>your efforts, you probably have fewer friends \r\n>than most of your friends have. But don't \r\n>despair --\u00ad the same is true for almost all of us. \r\n>Our friends are typically more popular than we are.\r\n>\r\n>Don't believe it? Consider these results from a \r\n>colossal recent study of Facebook by Johan \r\n>Ugander, Brian Karrer, Lars Backstrom and \r\n>Cameron Marlow. (Disclosure: Ugander is a \r\n>student at Cornell, and I'm on his doctoral \r\n>committee.) They examined all of Facebook's \r\n>active users, which at the time included 721 \r\n>million people \u00ad-- about 10 percent of the world's \r\n>population \u00ad-- with 69 billion friendships among \r\n>them. First, the researchers looked at how users \r\n>stacked up against their circle of friends. They \r\n>found that a user's friend count was less than \r\n>the average friend count of his or her friends, \r\n>93 percent of the time. Next, they measured \r\n>averages across Facebook as a whole, and found \r\n>that users had an average of 190 friends, while \r\n>their friends averaged 635 friends of their own.\r\n>\r\n>Studies of offline social networks show the same \r\n>trend. It has nothing to do with personalities; \r\n>it follows from basic arithmetic. For any \r\n>network where some people have more friends than \r\n>others, it's a theorem that the average number \r\n>of friends of friends is always greater than the \r\n>average number of friends of individuals.\r\n>\r\n>This phenomenon has been called the friendship paradox.\r\n...\r\n<>\r\n\r\n>Like many of math's beautiful ideas, the \r\n>friendship paradox has led to exciting practical \r\n>applications unforeseen by its discoverers. It \r\n>recently inspired an early-warning system for \r\n>detecting outbreaks of infectious diseases.\r\n>\r\n>In a study conducted at Harvard during the H1N1 \r\n>flu pandemic of 2009, the network scientists \r\n>Nicholas Christakis and James Fowler monitored \r\n>the flu status of a large cohort of random \r\n>undergraduates and (here's the clever part) a \r\n>subset of friends they named. Remarkably, the \r\n>friends behaved like sentinels --\u00ad they got sick \r\n>about two weeks earlier than the random \r\n>undergraduates, presumably because they were \r\n>more highly connected within the social network \r\n>at large, just as one would have expected from \r\n>the friendship paradox. In other settings, a \r\n>two-week lead time like this could be very \r\n>useful to public health officials planning a \r\n>response to contagion before it strikes the masses.\r\n>...\r\n\r\nThen here's the footnote:\r\n\r\n>Besides suggesting a strategy for detecting \r\n>infection, the friendship paradox suggests a \r\n>strategy for combating it. The idea is to \r\n>immunize the friends of random nodes, rather \r\n>than the nodes themselves. See R. Cohen, S. \r\n>Havlin, and D. ben-Avraham, \r\n>" \r\n>Efficient immunization strategies for computer networks \r\n>and populations," Physical Review Letters, Vol. \r\n>91, No. 24 (2003), 247901. Using computer \r\n>simulations, the authors find that this approach \r\n>is much more effective than random immunization \r\n>at halting an epidemic. The technique achieves \r\n>herd [Note from MN: baa-baa-baa] immunity when \r\n>around 20 to 40 percent of the friend population \r\n>is immunized, as opposed to the 80 or 90 percent \r\n>coverage needed when the population at large is immunized.\r\n>\r\n>And in a chilling final sentence, they suggest \r\n>that their strategy might also be relevant to \r\n>dismantling terrorist networks: "Our findings \r\n>suggest that an efficient way to disintegrate \r\n>the network is to focus more on removing \r\n>individuals whose name is obtained from another member of the network."\r\n\r\nYou can be sure if some mathematicians have \r\nthought of this, the state has been applying it \r\nin strategic game-playing and in \r\ncounter-insurgency practice in the real world for \r\nsome time. This applies to both the \r\n"dis-integrating networks" strategy, for trying \r\nto dismantle potentially threatening groups, and \r\nto the "immunization" strategy, since state \r\nplanners always see the spread of resistant \r\ncultures and oppositional ideas as infectious, \r\nand not just on the level of a verbal analogy.\r\n\r\nThe state always tries to introduce ideological \r\n"killed viruses," safely bourgeois versions of \r\nliberation movements and theories, in order to \r\ninoculate people who could be "infected" by \r\nrevolutionary struggles and ideologies. That's \r\nwhy we have seen bourgeois feminism, business \r\ntrade unionism, reactionary nationalism even \r\namong oppressed nations, reformist communists, \r\n"national socialism" (nazism) and even so-called \r\n"national anarchism," gangsta rap, ad infinitum \r\nand ad nauseum. How did the liberation efforts of \r\nLGBTQ people get sidetracked into "gays in the \r\nmilitary" and "marriage equality"? These \r\npseudo-movements and denatured struggles are \r\ndesigned to prevent the spread of authentically \r\nrevolutionary approaches to women's liberation, \r\ndecolonization, social-ecological maintenance of \r\nthe commons, and the expropriation of the expropriators.\r\n\r\nThe question is whether would-be or actual \r\ninsurgent networks can apply this more \r\nsophisticated analysis and its tactical \r\napplication to strengthening our own networks or \r\nour fledgling resistance. Can we use it to figure \r\nout how to undercut support for the state and the \r\ncorporations among key constituencies, just as \r\nthey are using it to try to throttle our \r\nmovements? How can we apply it to understanding \r\nand dismantling the real terrorist networks of \r\neconomic hit-men, CIA-trained torturers, and \r\nother political or uniformed operatives of the \r\nnational security state and the corporate \r\nstring-pullers and shot-callers? How can we use \r\nit to find ways to strengthen the mental and \r\nspiritual immune systems of our communities, \r\nespecially of our youth, against the seductive, \r\ninfectious offers of the Empire? Those questions \r\nare for us to answer. The NY Times is not going to provide solutions to them.\r\n\r\nWhat follows is from another piece in the NY \r\nTimes series, about the differences of scale \r\ninvolved in the solar system, or the subatomic \r\nsystem, or other large (economic) systems: linear \r\nvs. logarithmic variation, and powers of 10. It \r\nillustrates why people don't really "get" exactly \r\nhow "unequal" the US colonial capitalist system really is.\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com\/2012\/10\/15\/visualizing-vastness\/#more-134791\r\n\r\n>A contentious example, especially in this \r\n>election season, is inequality. The distribution \r\n>of wealth in the United States spans at least 10 \r\n>powers of 10, ranging from people whose net \r\n>worth is measured in tens of billions of \r\n>dollars, to those with barely a dollar to their \r\n>names. This disparity dwarfs even the six powers \r\n>of 10 in the solar system [between the size of \r\n>the sun and the planets, or between the orbits \r\n>of the inner and outer planets]. As such, the \r\n>distribution is extremely difficult to depict on \r\n>a single graph, at least on the standard kinds \r\n>of plots with linear axes, which is why you never see it displayed on one page.\r\n>\r\n>Depending on your politics, you may think that \r\n>wealth inequality is a problem to be solved, or \r\n>irrelevant, or an encouraging sign of a free \r\n>society. But whether you believe we need more \r\n>inequality or less, I think we can all agree \r\n>that it would be helpful to understand the \r\n>actual distribution. Unfortunately its multi-scale character confounds us.\r\n>\r\n>This is clear from the work of Michael I. Norton \r\n>and Dan Ariely. In 2005 they surveyed a \r\n>representative sample of more than 5,500 \r\n>Americans \u00ad men and women, rich and poor, \r\n>conservative and liberal, young and old \u00ad and \r\n>asked them two questions: How much wealth \r\n>inequality is there in America? And how much should there be, ideally?\r\n>\r\n>Norton and Ariely found that people on both \r\n>sides of the political spectrum grossly \r\n>underestimated the extent of inequality. The \r\n>typical respondent believed that the top 20 \r\n>percent owned 59 percent of the nation's wealth, \r\n>much less than the 84 percent the top quintile \r\n>actually owned (at the time of the survey). \r\n>Respondents also thought the two quintiles at \r\n>the bottom \u00ad the poorest 40 percent \u00ad [together] \r\n>owned 10 percent of the nation's wealth, when \r\n>the reality was that their two slices totaled \r\n>0.3 percent of the American pie, the two nearly invisible slivers in the chart.\r\n<>\r\n \r\n>\r\n>\r\n>Yet surprisingly, when asked to describe the \r\n>ideal distribution they'd like to see, \r\n>respondents of all ages, classes, genders and \r\n>party affiliations agreed. They'd all prefer a \r\n>distribution much less extreme than the status \r\n>quo: the top quintile would hold about 32 \r\n>percent of the wealth, while the poorest quintile would have over 10 percent.\r\n>\r\n>It's nice we can all agree about something for \r\n>once, even if it happens to be a more equal \r\n>distribution of wealth than exists in any \r\n>country on Earth . and probably in our solar system."\r\n\r\nI am highly doubtful whether really "we all \r\nagree" about "liking" a less-unequal wealth \r\ndistribution as somehow "ideal," in which the \r\nrichest would still have 50% plus \r\ndisproportionality in their wealth, and the \r\npoorest a 50% negative disproportionality. But \r\nthat's not the main point. There are some \r\ninteresting things to consider about the \r\nproportions and proportional differences of the \r\nREAL, current wealth distribution among the \r\n"quintiles" (one-fifths of the U.S. population, \r\n20%) in terms of WEALTH (not income).\r\n\r\nThe bottom 20% essentially have nothing, in US \r\nterms, and the next 20% has next to nothing \r\n(although it's twice as much as the bottom 20%). \r\nThat means 40% of the U.S. population has nothing \r\nor next to nothing, so little it barely registers \r\non the pie chart, even combined together.\r\n\r\nHowever, the next quintile up, the "middle" 20%, \r\nhas more than 12 times as much as the bottom 40% \r\ncombined. And there's your "lower middle class" \r\n-- objectively with not much, and a \r\ndisproportionately very small share of the total \r\nwealth, but looking down and seeing a vast gap, \r\nand feeling, relatively speaking, pretty good \r\nabout where they are in comparison, and worried \r\nabout falling into that abyss of deprivation. \r\nLooking up, they see the next higher 20%, doing \r\nonly about 3 times better than they are, and \r\nmaybe within reach if they're lucky. Just pick \r\nthe right stocks or get the right stock options, \r\nbuy the right home, "get in on the ground floor" \r\nof an IPO (initial public offering of stock).\r\n\r\nThe next higher quintile, the second-wealthiest \r\n20%, is the "upper middle class." Even that \r\nprivileged group still has less than its \r\nproportionate share of the total wealth (which \r\nunder conditions of equality, or wealth \r\nproportional to numbers, would be 20% of the \r\nwealth for each 20% of the population). The \r\nsecond-richest 20% still has only about half its \r\n"share" of the national wealth. Also, they have \r\nonly about 3 times more than the "lower middle \r\nclass" quintile below them, and are aware of the \r\nvast disparities (both between themselves and the \r\nrichest 20% above them and between themselves and \r\nthe bottom 40% below them). That's why the upper \r\nmiddle class feels economically aggrieved, like \r\n"they are barely keeping up," and are at least as \r\nfearful of a class fall as the lower middle class \r\nbelow them. It's also why "the 99%" (or even "the 80%") never unites.\r\n\r\nIt would be useful to translate the percentages \r\ninto dollar figures of actual accumulated wealth. \r\nIn not exactly congruent figures from 2009 (about \r\n4 years later, and in the depths of the Great \r\nRecession), wikipedia gives the following figures:\r\n\r\n"Wealth is unevenly distributed, with the \r\nwealthiest 25% of US households owning 87% of the \r\n[personal] wealth in the United States, which was $54.2 trillion in 2009."\r\n\r\n"Including human capital such as skills, the \r\nUnited Nations estimated the total wealth of the \r\nUnited States in 2008 to be $118 trillion."\r\n\r\nThe UN may monetize our skills and "human \r\ncapital" but in the real capitalist world, the \r\nrest of us can't do so except by selling our labor to the capitalists.\r\n\r\nThe $54 trillion dollar cash value total of \r\nassets (residences and land, stock and bond \r\nportfolios, and other personal possessions) minus \r\nliabilities (debt and other obligations) is \r\nroughly in line with IRS estimates of total \r\npersonal wealth. Let's say $50 trillion for ease \r\nof calculation of a rough estimate dollar figure.\r\n\r\nThat means the top 20% have $42.25 trillion in \r\ntotal wealth combined, the next 20% about $5.52 \r\ntrillion, the middle quintile holds about $2 \r\ntrillion in total. Those three together account \r\nfor roughly $49.75 trillion of our estimated $50 \r\ntrillion, so below that level, the "trillions" disappear, precipitously.\r\n\r\nThe next lowest quintile (that's about 63 million \r\npeople) together hold about $100,000,000 (one \r\nhundred million dollars) in total wealth. That's \r\na little over $1.50 each (per capita, total \r\ndollar wealth for the group divided by the total \r\nnumber of people in the group).\r\n\r\nAnd for the poorest fifth or 20% of the U.S. \r\npopulation, that's "six bits" -- 75 cents per \r\nperson in "total personal wealth." For those of \r\nyou too young to remember, "two bits" (25 cents) \r\nwas the price of a shave and a haircut in the \r\n"da-dada-da-da-boom-boom" ditty and car horn \r\nsound. \r\nhttp:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Shave_and_a_Haircut. \r\nThe "bits" come from the same source as the \r\npirate expression "pieces of eight" (8 to a dollar or peso).\r\n\r\nThat's right, the individual "personal wealth" on \r\naverage of 40% of the U.S. population is a buck \r\nand half max, half of that for half of them. \r\nRemember we're talking assets minus liabilities \r\nhere. People might have some cash in their \r\npockets, or even "own" a house, but they owe as \r\nmuch or even more than they make or own in a \r\nyear. As the 7 dwarfs used to sing, "I owe, I owe, so off to work I go."\r\n\r\nAnd that's not even talking about the billions \r\nof people elsewhere on the planet who get by on \r\na dollar a day, or 50 cents a day, or less.\r\n\r\nWhat usually "goes without saying," but \r\nshouldn't, is the racial and colonial component \r\nof all this. Wikipedia acknowledges the racial \r\ndisparity in wealth, which it attributes mostly \r\nto home ownership differentials. But of course \r\nthe multi-generational consequences of chattel \r\nslavery, genocide, colonization and racial \r\noppression, persist and actually deepen and grow \r\nwider over time. In good times, better off groups \r\nadd more to their wealth. In bad times, less well \r\noff groups lose more of their wealth. Government \r\nprograms to ameliorate these problems usually \r\nincorporate a racial bias (as the GI Bill \r\nbenefits after World War II and the Korean War \r\nfavored white GIs). Land the US stole from Native \r\npeople was given away to white homesteaders. The \r\nUS Department of Agriculture eliminated thousands \r\nof Black subsistence farmers with the stroke of a \r\npen in favor of policy definitions and subsidies \r\nfor corporate agribusiness, swiftly resulting in the \r\nthe physical dispossession of many Black farmers \r\nfrom their land. \r\n \r\nGovernment programs to enforce \r\ncompliance usually disproportionately punish and \r\nrepress Black, Brown, Asian and indigenous people \r\n(as the war on crime, the war on drugs and the \r\nresulting mass incarceration do).\r\n\r\nThe reality of these economic inequalities, which \r\nare understood better by those on the top of the \r\npyramid and see the whole picture, explain why \r\nthe state and the corporations are happy to \r\ndivert us with electronic "friends" so they can \r\ngather more data about our every move and desire, \r\nand why they are quick to apply the insights \r\ngained about how people network and associate, \r\nfor the purposes of more effective intelligence \r\ngathering on and disruption of networks that might breed resistance.\r\nSince they have recently acknowledged that they have\r\nbeen going through a FISA court for at least 7 years to\r\nkeep track of who EVERYONE in the U.S. is talking to\r\non the phone and for how long, do you imagine they are\r\nnot tracking every "friend" you have and who the "friends\r\nof your friends" are, when they can do it without even a \r\n"by-your-leave" from Facebook or FISA?\r\n\r\nEveryone who imagines that these economic and \r\nsocial disparities, and the wars, prisons and \r\nexploitation-enforcement mechanisms that cause \r\nthem and maintain them, will be eliminated \r\nthrough rational persuasion or moral suasion, raise your hand.\r\n\r\nAnd if you can't honestly say that appeals to \r\nreason or conscience will prevail upon those who \r\nhave leached and continue to leach all this vast \r\nwealth from the land and people at the expense of \r\nthe planet and its inhabitants, then you need to \r\nget with a strategy and approach that will \r\nprevail, before physical and cultural genocide and ecocide proceed any further.\r\n","author":"Michael Novick","parent_id":260370,"mime_type":"image\/gif","created":"2013-06-09 05:22:19","modified":"2013-11-11 01:12:00","fileurl":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2013\/06\/strogatz6-fig2-blog427.gif","image":{"original":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2013\/06\/strogatz6-fig2-blog427.gif"}},{"id":260379,"heading":"AMDOCS - I told you so","article":"I couldn't help but notice (after thoroughly dox'ing Michael _and his past_ but that doesn't directly relate to this issue) that in these news stories, the word "israel" never appears anywhere.\r\n\r\nand yet :\r\n\r\n"The NSA sub-contracts the vast majority of its work to Israeli high-tech firms bristling with "former" Israeli military intelligence agents, AMDOCS and Verint.\r\n"Together, Verint and Amdocs form part of the backbone of the government's domestic intelligence surveillance technology. Both companies are based in Israel \u2013 having arisen to prominence from that country's cornering of the information technology market \u2013 and are heavily funded by the Israeli government, with connections to the Israeli military and Israeli intelligence (both companies have a long history of board memberships dominated by current and former Israeli military and intelligence officers). Verint is considered the world leader in "electronic interception" and hence an ideal private sector candidate for wiretap outsourcing. Amdocs is the world's largest billing service for telecommunications, with some $2.8 billion in revenues in 2007, offices worldwide, and clients that include the top 25 phone companies in the United States that together handle 90 percent of all call traffic among US residents. The companies' operations, sources suggest, have been infiltrated by freelance spies exploiting encrypted trapdoors in Verint\/Amdocs technology and gathering data on Americans for transfer to Israeli intelligence and other willing customers (particularly organized crime)...\r\n\r\n\r\nOn October 14, 2008, James Bamford talked about some of the shocking research in his new book on Democracy Now!, with Amy Goodman;\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=hI_k9Xt00YE\r\n\r\n"Tomer Ben Dor (mentioned above), another Israeli of interest to the DEA, was an employee of Nice-Systems Ltd., an Israeli company specializing in systems and solutions for detecting, locating, monitoring, evaluating and analyzing voice communications and other transmissions from a variety of sources--activities commonly known as wiretapping and electronic eavesdropping. Nice-Systems\u2019 U.S. subsidiary, Nice Systems Inc., is located in Rutherford, New Jersey, adjacent to East Rutherford where five members of the Israeli New Jersey group were arrested on September 11. When Mr. Ben Dor was interrogated by the INS at the DFW Airport in May 2001, an inspection of his bags revealed a printout containing a reference to a file entitled \u201cDEA Groups.\u201d\r\n\r\nOne member of the Israeli DEA Groups, Michal Gal, who was arrested in Irving, Texas,18 was released on a $10,000 cash bond posted by Ophir Baer, an employee of Amdocs, Inc. an Israeli telecommunications firm with operations in the United States. The Amdocs employee described Mr. Gal as a \u201crelative\u201d.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n"The large Israeli firm NICE, like Verint and Narus, is also a major eavesdropper in the U.S., and like the other two, it keeps its government and commercial client list very secret. A key member of the Wiretappers' Ball, it was formed in 1986 by seven veterans of Unit 8200, according to the company's founder, Benny Levin. "We were seven people from the Unit," he said, "we all worked on a project for more than four years, we knew each other very well. We had very good complementary skills." Like a page out of Orwell, all their high-tech bugging systems are called "Nice". Nice Perform, for example, "provides voice content analysis with features such as: word spotting, emotion detection, talk pattern analysis, and state-of-the-art visualization techniques." Nice Universe "captures voice, email, chat, screen activity, and essential call details." Nice Log offers "audio compression technology that performs continuous recordings of up to thousands of analog and digital telephone lines and radio channels." And Nice VoIP "can use both packet sniffing and active recording methods for recording VoIP sessions (both by telephone and internet)."*\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nNSA Domestic Spying Began Before 9\/11\r\n\r\n\r\nThe NSA's domestic spying operation began no later than February, 2001;\r\n\r\n"Within eleven (11) days of the onset of the Bush administration, and at least seven (7) months prior to the attacks of September 11, 2001, defendant ATT began development of a center for monitoring long distance calls and internet transmissions and other digital information for the exclusive use of the NSA.\r\n- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - \r\n\r\nI won't go into his past, the current conflict he's engaged in with GOLDEN DAWN (they're neo-nazis after all) and the thin line between wealthy 'fair weather (underground) activists' (terrorists?) and moles, but leaving israel out of this very old issue of spying on americans, when they're actually at the center of it, reeks of the age old tactic of distracting by omission. \r\n \r\nAny serious investigation of the spying scandal would HAVE to talk about israel. But israel is nowhere to be found in the above fluff pieces. And if you google Michael's full name, you'll very quickly find out WHY israel isn't mentioned. (I won't bother posting those details here since it would be regarded as a 'hit piece')\r\n\r\n","author":"crazy_inventor","parent_id":260370,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2013-06-09 08:39:22","modified":"2013-11-11 01:12:00","fileurl":""},{"id":260386,"heading":"thx","article":"That was information I didn't know.\r\n\r\nI am hearing all these companies saying they don't know about this NSA thing. It's interesting.","author":"nobody","parent_id":260370,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2013-06-09 17:17:59","modified":"2013-06-09 17:17:59","fileurl":""},{"id":260429,"heading":"Regarding Mike","article":"I don't think the Zionist book was written by the same Michael Novick who does PART and the Turning the Tide paper. You can email him and ask.\r\n\r\nHis newspaper, Turning the Tide, has always sided with Palestine against Israel. I don't ever recall reading anything sympathetic with Israel.\r\n\r\nI suspect the reason why he doesn't know about companies in Israel doing internet surveillance is because he doesn't know that much about internet surveillance. As far as I know, he's not doing a lot of research on surveillance in general.\r\n\r\nGolden Dawn says he's a Jewish Communist, but he's really more of a Jewish Anarcho Communist, and I don't think he's that Jewish, mostly by ethnicity. I think he's an atheist. They also say he's wealthy, but he's not. He has a condo in the Baldwin Hills foothills, though I talked to him and I think he might have a small apartment now. He's a middle class retired teacher. He might actually have money stashed, and a decent pension, because of his job.\r\n\r\nWhen you're relying on fascist doxing, you really need to take things with a grain of salt.","author":"johnk","parent_id":260370,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2013-06-10 20:21:08","modified":"2013-06-10 20:21:08","fileurl":""},{"id":260431,"heading":"my only actual objection","article":"Is how he completely left israel out of the spying scandal when israel is actually at the center of it, and this information has been known for at least 12 years. \r\n\r\nFox even did a 4-part series on it. \r\n\r\nAs far as GOLDEN DAWN's feud with him, I do exectly that - take whatever they have to say about him in context of what they are and what they've been doing (I checked them out too) However he was in the weather underground which was considered a terrorist organization. \r\n\r\nI was going to say - \r\n\r\nI noticed an interview he did on free radio olympia.\r\n\r\nHe would never get airtime on any of my stations.\r\n\r\n","author":"crazy_inventor","parent_id":260370,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2013-06-10 20:34:36","modified":"2013-06-10 20:34:36","fileurl":""},{"id":260432,"heading":"Cont...","article":"His article wasn't about the spying scandal. He wrote it before this all happened, and posted it probably because he thinks it's relevant.\r\n\r\nI think when it comes to issues about Israel, he would be touchy about fanning the flames of anti-semitism. I can understand that. He protests against anti-semites and Holocaust deniers. Nobody wants to encourage potential racism against their own group. There are always personal political reasons, and probably other social reasons as well. However, you have to consider that he does publish a newspaper that has opposed Israeli apartheid and, I suspect, the state of Israel.\r\n\r\nWith TTT the articles are often about an analysis centered on the idea that we live in a settler colonial state. I don't what he's written in regard to Israel as a settler colonial state, but I seem to recall him saying it was, in person.\r\n\r\nAs far as the Weathermen connection - he was in the Weather Underground, an organization that opposed the US government. They were called a terrorist organization by the government. They bombed several buildings, but never killed anyone. A number of different organizations were branded as "terrorist" in the 1960s.","author":"johnk","parent_id":260370,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2013-06-10 21:27:13","modified":"2013-06-10 21:27:13","fileurl":""},{"id":260433,"heading":"Michael Novick - Weather Underground","article":"http:\/\/www.zoominfo.com\/#!search\/profile\/person?personId=353144097&targetid=profile\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Weather_Underground\r\n\r\nWeatherman first organized in 1969 as a faction of Students for a Democratic Society (SDS)\r\n\r\nThe group conducted a campaign of bombings through the mid-1970s\r\n\r\nIn 1970 the group issued a "Declaration of a State of War" against the United States government.\r\n\r\nThe bombing attacks mostly targeted government buildings, along with several banks.\r\n\r\nOn July 23, 1970, a Detroit federal grand jury indicted 13 Weathermen members in a national bombing conspiracy, along with several unnamed co-conspirators. Ten of the thirteen already had outstanding federal warrants.\r\n","author":"crazy_inventor","parent_id":260370,"mime_type":"image\/png","created":"2013-06-10 21:27:13","modified":"2013-06-10 21:27:13","fileurl":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2013\/06\/michael_novick_-_weather_underground.png","image":{"original":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/\/uploads\/2013\/06\/michael_novick_-_weather_underground.png"}},{"id":260435,"heading":""never killed anyone" ?","article":"While planning the bombing of a U.S. military non-commissioned officers' dance at Fort Dix, New Jersey in what Brian Flanagan said had been intended to be "the most horrific hit the United States government had ever suffered on its territory", there was an explosion in a Greenwich Village safe house -\r\n\r\nDiana Oughton, Ted Gold, and Terry Robbins _died in the explosion_\r\n\r\n","author":"crazy_inventor","parent_id":260370,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2013-06-10 21:55:01","modified":"2013-06-10 21:55:01","fileurl":""},{"id":260436,"heading":"I'm not sure that counts as a negative","article":"He was in a radical organization, and continues to operate one, and forms coalitions with other radical left organizations.\r\n\r\nI'm not seeing how that's some kind of slam against him, at least on this site. If anything, it's probably built his credibility in the anarchist scene. I saw a similar note about him on the DIYZine site, which is a peace punk anarchist site.\r\n\r\nHe's also been an effective organizer against racism, bringing together elements from across the spectrum, even reaching people who don't necessarily agree with him.\r\n\r\nAlso, I don't know how he is affliated with NYC IMC. They may have published some of his articles. But so has LA IMC. Cayce did an interview with him many years ago for this site.\r\n\r\nHere's an oldie but a goodie about him on this site. http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/news\/2001\/09\/9782.php 12 years ago!","author":"johnk","parent_id":260370,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2013-06-10 22:04:10","modified":"2013-06-10 22:04:10","fileurl":""},{"id":260437,"heading":"That was a failed attempt","article":"Those three people were WU people who were planning a bombing, and the bomb went off in their apartment, killing the would-be bombers.\r\n\r\nThere's even a wikipedia article about it. What a trip.\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Greenwich_Village_townhouse_explosion","author":"johnk","parent_id":260370,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2013-06-10 22:07:41","modified":"2013-06-10 22:07:41","fileurl":""},{"id":260438,"heading":"it's actually a good thing only 3 of their people were killed","article":"because it stopped them from bombing the dance, where _in their own words_ they intended to kill a bunch of people. They killed themselves first..\r\n\r\nI noticed there's only 23 _live_ IMC's in CONUS now.\r\n\r\nUnited states:\r\n\r\nAtlanta, Big muddy, Boston, Buffalo, Chicago, Colorado, Columbus, Dc, Hawaii, La, Miami, Minneapolis\/st. paul, New mexico, Nyc, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Portland, Rochester, Rogue valley, San francisco bay area, Santa cruz ca, United states, Urbana-champaign.\r\n\r\nAccording to the Outlaw. Mirrorserver.\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/2zyakjq2hvtbg6qd.onion\/cm\/www.indymedia.org\/\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nI also noticed the bitcast with the most listeners under the your streaming directory, is a right-wing nut, who produces shows that directly oppose the values\/charter of the IMC network.\r\n\r\n..and that slaptech cookie.. naughty naughty ;)\r\n\r\n","author":"crazy_inventor","parent_id":260370,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2013-06-10 22:24:38","modified":"2013-06-10 22:24:38","fileurl":""}]}