{"article":{"id":207031,"heading":"Victronix's Good 9\/11 Activist Guidelines","author":"Jenny Sparks","created":"2007-09-14 00:52:38","modified":"2007-09-17 18:04:15","last_modified":"Tue, 18 Sep 2007 02:04:15","article":"

From Victronix's guidelines:



http:\/\/911blogger.com\/node\/10997#comment-159145<\/a>

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1-Protect alliances



2-Treat ALL with respect - including military, government, journalists, etc.



3-Call out and separate from those who abuse others



4-Call out and separate from those who protect transparent baseless claims (nukes, DEW, etc)



5-Allow strong civil debate and critique to guide us to the scientific truths



6-Reject\"Big Tent\" (pairing of baseless claims with strong evidence)



7-Reject efforts to pair leaders on stage with UFOs, Fetzer, DEW, \"no planes,\" etc



8-Reject all forms of racism

9-Reject efforts to mix holocaust discussions with 9\/11\/01



10-Keep speculation in our own forums, reject those who put it on FOX News, YouTube, etc.<\/p>\n","contact":"","link":"http:\/\/911blogger.com\/node\/10997#comment-159145","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/plain","summary":"What 9\/11 activists need to keep in mind if we want our activism to WORK. Take what you need and good luck.","numcomment":46,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2007\/09\/207031.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":207079,"heading":"No. #11","article":"Be of independent thought and not a sheep. Don't assume it happened the way the 9\/11 conspiracy theorist or activist preach Learn and be well versed in physics, metallurgy, explosives, structural engineering, language, etc. Ask the hard questions and have your activists answer with true science and not with there imagination. Make them prove there allegations with sound evidence. Understand that Osama bin laden took credit for the attack. Understand that no Islamic religion is peaceful and would just assume that you were dead.\r\n","author":"Just a guy","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-14 18:15:52","modified":"2007-09-14 18:15:52","fileurl":""},{"id":207081,"heading":"please ...","article":"you\\'re incorrect.\r\nOBL is dead.\r\nHe denied the involvement here\r\nhttp:\/\/www.public-action.com\/911\/oblintrv.html\r\nOctober 16, 2001-- An interview with Osama bin Laden was published in a Karachi-based Pakistani daily newspaper, Ummat, on September 28, 2001. In this interview, bin Laden says of the September 11 attacks in the US:\r\n\\"I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle.\r\n\r\n\\"It is the United States, which is perpetrating every maltreatment on women, children and common people . . . \\"","author":"troll?","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-14 18:32:44","modified":"2007-09-14 18:32:44","fileurl":""},{"id":207092,"heading":"RE: 11th","article":"At least you're paying attention--that's a start.;-)\r\n\r\n","author":"Jenny Sparks","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-15 02:52:15","modified":"2007-09-15 02:52:15","fileurl":""},{"id":207093,"heading":"another tart","article":""paying attention"\r\nyou mean 'just a guy' ( yourself )\r\nHe's another air head parroting the MSM Fox news swill.\r\nDo you even read things before you give silly statements, 'just a guy'?","author":"where did you get that?","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-15 03:37:49","modified":"2007-09-15 03:37:49","fileurl":""},{"id":207103,"heading":"What's the difference between","article":"What's the difference between your propaganda and the media's? \r\n\r\nOh I get it, reading your reports are just 100% true facts without any speculation and you have all the supporting evidence to back your claims. \r\n\r\nI know that all your conspiracy theorist members hold PhD's in all the applied sciences needed to come to your conclusions and they have written their thesis and presented them to the appropriate educational societies for academic review and scrutiny.\r\n\r\nWell I will just have to jump on board. Now that we conspiracy people have all this hard evidence, what should we do next? Should we immediately overthrow this government and replace it with our theorists so this doesn't occur again? \r\n\r\nI don't consider 9\/11 silly at all as you suggest, I consider your conspiracy theories pretty whacked though. Its pretty funny that you think this government has the competence to pull off an operation of this magnitude like all the conspiracy theorist suggest. I think your giving this government, and the Bush administration way too much credit. I have yet to see anyone even remotely affiliated with this government demonstrate any competence.\r\n\r\nThings that you can not explain or understand does not prove a conspiracy. It only proves you can not explain it and you have no understanding of it. Just because something has never been recorded to happen dosen't mean it can't. Believe what you will. I am not convinced.\r\n\r\n","author":"Just a guy","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-15 11:18:38","modified":"2007-09-15 11:18:38","fileurl":""},{"id":207104,"heading":"please","article":"Here\\'s the deal.\r\nThe government cannot prove any point of their own \\'conspiracy theory\\'.\r\nSo why do you believe their theory?\r\n\\'Cause the government never lies?\r\nCome on admit it, You\\'re here from the government. To tell their side; right?","author":"Heckel","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-15 11:25:21","modified":"2007-09-15 11:25:21","fileurl":""},{"id":207106,"heading":"OBL is dead?","article":"You believe everything you read, don't you? Who is Carol A. Valentine? I am sure she has credible credentials and would never make anything up. You personally know her right? She has a Nobel Peace Prize in journalism right? From the website:\r\n\r\n"A News and News Analysis Service \r\nExamining the religiously inspired events in the world today \r\nOperated by Carol A. Valentine"\r\n\r\nMuslims can not tell a lie, right? What makes this religion any different than any other religion that lies, cheats, steals, and manupukates the weak minded? \r\n\r\nThis goes to the heart of the issue. You believe everything someone says or writes and you believe it to be fact. Is there any independent investigation to prove this to be to be true?. \r\n\r\nI would suggest that the headline news around the world would report OBL's death. Oh, all the worlds journalists are part of the conspiracy to....never mind. If Carol A. Valentine says its true, it must be true.","author":"Just a guy","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-15 11:47:20","modified":"2007-09-15 11:47:20","fileurl":""},{"id":207108,"heading":"wrong","article":"Actually, it's you who seems to accept w\/o question a certain, unsupportable, I may add, conspiracy theory. With out any supporting evidence.\r\n\r\n9-11 was treason.\r\n","author":"yah..","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-15 12:04:15","modified":"2007-09-15 12:04:15","fileurl":""},{"id":207109,"heading":"So heckle","article":"Your right. I work in black opps for the shadow government. \r\n\r\nIts so secret, not even the shadow government knows I exist. If I tell you what really happened even you will find it hard to believe.\r\n\r\nIt all manifested during the civil war. Lincoln was a British agent sent to abolish slavery (which Britain had outlawed) because they could not compete with slave labor for the export of there goods. In other words, British goods where more expensive on the world market and they were having economic trouble. Its kind of like China today. To make a long story short, we never claimed independence from England. The constitution was fabricated and just a peace of paper. That is why after the fake revolution and the fake war of 1812, we are still allies with Britain. The civil war didn't really occur. Britain hired actors and writers to pose in images and write heart felt war stories to be published for the public. World war 1, world war 2, the Korean police action. the Vietnam police action, the Gulf war, and today's current Iraq war along with Afghanistan is not occurring either. Is that a good theory? If so, please pass it on to all of your friends.\r\n\r\nI assume by your statement you have a PhD in all applied sciences and you know what you are talking about, Where can I read your thesis and find the references material to support your theory? Please don't refer me to the internet. I, like millions of others around the world don't believe everything that propagates on the internet. I will send for it at the educational institution you submitted it to for review.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Just a guy","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-15 12:27:28","modified":"2007-09-15 12:27:28","fileurl":""},{"id":207110,"heading":"9-11 was treason.","article":"9-11 was treason. Whens the trial and who are we prosecuting? What court is prosecuting this treason? I would have thought that the news would have mentioned it, maybe not in the U.S. (they are part of this conspiracy) but somewhere in the world.\r\n\r\nYour not fabricating things now are you? When is the trial set to begin? Most prosecutors won't go to trial unless they have hard evidence right? ","author":"Just a guy","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-15 12:41:24","modified":"2007-09-15 12:41:24","fileurl":""},{"id":207112,"heading":"kinda thought so...","article":"glad you don't deny it.\r\nYou are losing the information war. You have nothing to further your case except a big whaaaaaaa.\r\nAnd conspiracy to commit treason, after the fact by knowingly engaging in actions to obstruct justice, will also be 'dealt with'.\r\nLike agency assets who have payroll records. Ha ha ha ha.\r\nYa follow me there, Skippy?","author":"another spook","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-15 12:56:48","modified":"2007-09-15 12:56:48","fileurl":""},{"id":207115,"heading":"Sure thing","article":"Oh, I am shaking in my boots. Please arrest me for treason. \r\n\r\nThe reality is that more than likely it will be you that gets sent away. You will believe in this conspiracy so much you or your brothern may break down and commit some act of stupidity that will land you in prison or in a mental ward. That will be a shame. You and your friends will be another victum of 9\/11.","author":"Just a guy","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-15 13:19:39","modified":"2007-09-15 13:19:39","fileurl":""},{"id":207116,"heading":"awww....","article":"Actually the 'psyco' defense most likely will be used to attempt to shield the inbred degenerate assholes your kind do the laundry for.\r\nEnjoy the ride and the wait.\r\n9-11 was treason\r\n","author":"how cute","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-15 13:28:39","modified":"2007-09-15 13:28:39","fileurl":""},{"id":207118,"heading":"Wait for what","article":"Wait for what? I see nothing happening. All your saber rattling is without merit and teeth just like the theories you purport to be true. This wait and see issue I have heard a million times. It never leads to anything but waiting.\r\n\r\nNothing will happen now, nor in the future, with this conspiracy theory and if you think so, you are fooling yourself.\r\n\r\nI have no doubt that you honestly believe that this 9\/11 conspiracy is true. I have know idea what personally lead you to this conclusion. Good luck convincing the majority of the citizens because unless you have a majority of support, this issue dead.\r\n\r\nThats a reality or a fact, not a theory. \r\n\r\n","author":"Just a guy","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-15 14:18:55","modified":"2007-09-15 14:18:55","fileurl":""},{"id":207121,"heading":"tisk...","article":"I don't care about your fervent prayers or just standard military tactics of "you are not being attacked" psyops. Nothing will happen now, nor in the future" \r\n\r\ndata gathering works both ways. \r\n"\r\n","author":"cover hoplessly blown","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-15 15:44:16","modified":"2007-09-15 15:44:16","fileurl":""},{"id":207130,"heading":"I was under cover","article":"I never new I was under cover. ROTFLMAO..This is just the point. You believe everyone's out to get you because they have differing opinions or thoughts. \r\n\r\nIf anyone disagrees with your allegations, they are considered to be a government operative. See where I am going with this? Your imagination is getting the better of you. Do you understand the word ""Schizophrenia "\r\n\r\nI would suggest more but it seems my post keep getting hidden. Its a conspiracy I tell you. The whole world is against my post....","author":"Just a guy","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-15 20:09:05","modified":"2007-09-15 20:09:05","fileurl":""},{"id":207131,"heading":"oh come on","article":"You come on the wire pretending to be a nearly illiterate ignate and then wax eloquent when cornered.\r\nAnd your multiple personas aren't a symptom of mental illness?\r\nYou see, the reason it's so obvious that you're a spook is because you parrot the very same phrases and rely upon the very same logic twists that your predecessors always use.\r\nBut it's fun to watch the same old disinfo tactics fail so soundly.\r\nA majority of America is realizing that \r\n\r\n9-11 was treason.","author":"another spook","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-15 20:45:03","modified":"2007-09-15 20:45:03","fileurl":""},{"id":207133,"heading":"another spook","article":"Answer me this, what solid evidence do you have that would stand up in a court of law that proves 9\/11 was a U.S. operation? Actual facts not mere speculation or allegations out of the realm of yours or someone's expertise.\r\n\r\nJust how many people would it take to wire explosives and bring down the twin towers? How much explosive would it take and where would they need to be placed? How many feet of det-chord and wire would be used?\r\n\r\nWould the explosives need to be pre-placed? if so, what kind of explosives would be used? Could the aircraft that hit the buildings severe the wires and cause shorts in the explosive circuits? Would the aircraft set the explosives off on impact? If so, why didn't the building fall immediately? When I was in the service (The Marines 1980) I was a 1371 Combat engineer, I have some knowledge of military explosives .\r\n\r\nThe complex had 13.4 million square feet of office space and a height of 1368 ft.. Source wikipedia It was a engineering marvel with engineering innovations or construction techniques that had never been tried before. Just because a building has never collapsed do to a fire doesn't mean it can't happen. I am sure you pulled the certs of the steel and concrete used and 100% of that material was flawless. Correct? \r\n\r\nYou watch a few videos, read a few articles written by whomever and you are convinced what they say to be true. Not personally knowing them or having any knowledge of there character, honesty, or education. Come back to reality, its not as bad as you think\r\n","author":"Just a guy","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-15 22:25:58","modified":"2007-09-15 22:25:58","fileurl":""},{"id":207136,"heading":"heh....","article":"\u201c-Just because a building has never collapsed do to a fire doesn't mean it can't happen. \u201c\r\nBut oh gosh now it happened on three buildings on the same day when one wasn\u2019t even hit by an A\/C .\r\nYou are running on MT.\r\nThe gallows are waiting for the traitors and murdering psychopaths who tried to pull this off during the epic of information.\r\nThe old tools are rusted & broken.\r\nYou lose.","author":"another spook","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-15 23:35:58","modified":"2013-11-11 00:49:47","fileurl":""},{"id":207138,"heading":"9\/11 Myths:","article":"You are suggesting that WTC 7 fell just because of a fire, correct? \r\n\r\nThere was no structural damage to the building, correct? \r\n\r\nIs it true that the camera angle in the video's that you watched could not see the other side of the building,? \r\n\r\nThe link below shows a image (half way down the page) of the damage to WTC 7 from the other side however, don't read the articles, they pretty much debunk your conspiracy theory and explain in simple terms what occurred. After that, you will have nothing to live for or talk about. Not that any logical, well thought out, backed with academic knowledge would ever convince people like you otherwise. http:\/\/www.popularmechanics.com\/technology\/military_law\/1227842.html?page=5\r\n","author":"Just a guy","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-16 00:13:52","modified":"2007-09-16 00:13:52","fileurl":""},{"id":207142,"heading":"Popular MachanicS?","article":"Weak tierd and in failure mode again I see\r\nDid you know that Chertoff's cousin Chertoff runs Popular Mechanic after a hostile take over at that once rational magazine made it an extension of HLS?\r\nI can't believe you are still engaging in a fire fight with wet powder.\r\nWhy not cite NIST as they didn't even acknowledge the building 7 demo?\r\nThe false flag ops of 9-11 have been flayed to the bone.\r\nA criminal conspiracy of treason.\r\n","author":"Chertoff & Chertoff","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-16 02:22:42","modified":"2007-09-16 02:22:42","fileurl":""},{"id":207150,"heading":"Your right!!!","article":"Well your right, I should not be wasting my time on someone that has a limited mental capacity for understanding and has no comprehension of the difference between fiction and non-fiction. A group of people that would rather listen to uneducated people that have no credentials or education in structural engineering, physics, explosives, and many other applied sciences. Theses people have successfully convinced a minority population of week minded individuals that science ceased to exist in New York city that day. As a nation we keep spending billions of dollars annually in our public education system. The results of this spending has yielded limited results as demonstrated in this thread. We should cut the funding for public education and re-invest it in mental health care. Society, as a whole, may yield more benefits from a re-distribution of this funding..","author":"Just a guy","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-16 08:32:13","modified":"2007-09-16 08:32:13","fileurl":""},{"id":207152,"heading":"don\\'t feel bad","article":"Just from reading the \\'just a guy\\' input on this subject, one might think that these agents at least are able to debunk some item but no, the \\'just a guy\\' types are unable to and can only resort to putting their fingers in their ears and going \\"nah nah you\\'re crazy..\\".\r\nNo wonder they are losing.\r\n9-11 was treason.","author":"a better guy","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-16 11:06:21","modified":"2007-09-16 11:06:21","fileurl":""},{"id":207164,"heading":"At least there's a discussion...","article":"Mind not the sort I was hoping for, but I'll take it.\r\n\r\nBTW: I really am Col. Jenny Sparks, of 9\/11Blogger. Anyone who bothers to check that, and my posts at Truthaction.org can confirm it.\r\n\r\nAny git you wants to continue to pretend I'm not me, I'll know to be a troll.\r\n\r\nBe seeing you, sunbeam...","author":"Jenny Sparks","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-16 17:16:38","modified":"2007-09-16 17:16:38","fileurl":""},{"id":207171,"heading":"Yet another peer review Paper","article":"Yet another peer reviewed paper from a respected Journal finds the towers were doomed to collapse. \r\n\r\n9\/11 demolition theory challenged \r\n\r\n\r\nThe study by a Cambridge University, UK, engineer demonstrates that once the collapse of the twin towers began, it was destined to be rapid and total. \r\n\r\nOne of many conspiracy theories proposes that the buildings came down in a manner consistent with a "controlled demolition". \r\n\r\nThe new data shows this is not needed to explain the way the towers fell. \r\n\r\nResistance to collapse \r\n\r\nDr Keith Seffen set out to test mathematically whether this chain reaction really could explain what happened in Lower Manhattan six years ago. The findings are published in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics. \r\n\r\nPrevious studies have tended to focus on the initial stages of collapse, showing that there was an initial, localized failure around the aircraft impact zones, and that this probably led to the progressive collapse of both structures. \r\n\r\nIn other words, the damaged parts of the tower were bound to fall down, but it was not clear why the undamaged building should have offered little resistance to these falling parts. \r\n\r\n"The initiation part has been quantified by many people; but no one had put numbers on the progressive collapse," Dr Seffen told the BBC News website. \r\n\r\nDr Seffen was able to calculate the "residual capacity" of the undamaged building: that is, simply speaking, the ability of the undamaged structure to resist or comply with collapse. \r\n\r\nHis calculations suggest the residual capacity of the north and south towers was limited, and that once the collapse was set in motion, it would take only nine seconds for the building to go down. \r\n\r\nThis is just a little longer than a free-falling coin, dropped from the top of either tower, would take to reach the ground.\r\n\r\nHe added that his calculations showed this was a "very ordinary thing to happen" and that no other intervention, such as explosive charges laid inside the building, was needed to explain the behavior of the buildings. \r\n\r\nThe controlled detonation idea, espoused on several internet websites, asserts that the manner of collapse is consistent with synchronized rows of explosives going off inside the World Trade Center. \r\n\r\nThis would have generated a demolition wave that explained the speed, uniformity and similarity between the collapses of both towers. \r\n\r\nConspiracy theorists assert that these explosive "squibs" can actually be seen going off in photos and video footage of the collapse. These appear as ejections of gas and debris from the sides of the building, well below the descending rubble. \r\n\r\nOther observers say this could be explained by debris falling down lift shafts and impacting on lower floors during the collapse. \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/news.bbc.co.uk\/2\/hi\/science\/nature\/6987965.stm \r\n\r\nDr. Keith A. Seffen\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.eng.cam.ac.uk\/~kas14\/ \r\n\r\nBelow is the list of people who have staked their reputations on the only paper which passed the scrutiny of peer review regarding the WTC tragedy...\r\n\r\nFor those who may think that no one has written a peer reviewed paper on the collapse of the towers here it is...\r\n\r\n"Walter P. Murphy Professor of \r\n\r\nCivil Engineering and Materials Science\r\n\r\nNorthwestern University\r\n\r\nThe towers of the World Trade Center were designed to withstand as a whole the horizontal impact of a large commercial aircraft. So why did a total collapse occur? The reason is the dynamic consequence of the prolonged heating of the steel columns to very high temperature. The heating caused creep buckling of the columns of the framed tube along the perimeter of the structure, which transmits the vertical load to the ground. The likely scenario of failure may be explained as follows... \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www-math.mit.edu\/~bazant\/WTC\/WTC-asce.pdf \r\n\r\nThe version linked above, to appear in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics (ASCE), was revised and extended (with Yong Zhou on September 22 and additional appendices on September 28) since the original text of September 13, which was immediately posted at various civil engineering web sites, e.g. University of Illinios. It also has been or soon will be published in a number of other journals, including Archives of Applied Mechanics, Studi i Ricerche, and SIAM News:\r\n\r\nZ. P. Bazant and Y. Zhou, "Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse?", Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics News, vol. 34, No. 8 (October, 2001). \r\n\r\nThat means it's not just a document, book, web site or calculation on a forum. It's had to pass critical review by other engineering Professors. \r\n\r\nI know there are CT sites which attack this paper but not one person has yet to disprove its hypothesis professionally. There are still people attacking the theory of evolution. Anyone can attack, not many can produce a paper to back it up. Just as there is no "theory of intelligent design" except on Christian web sites, there are no alternatives to this paper other than in CT sites and books."\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www-math.mit.edu\/~bazant\/WTC\/ \r\n\r\nThe paper... http:\/\/www-math.mit.edu\/~bazant\/WTC\/WTC-asce.pdf \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.pubs.asce.org\/journals\/edem.html \r\n\r\nEditor: \r\n\r\nRoss B. Corotis, Ph.D., P.E., S.E., NAE, University of Colorado, Boulder\r\ncorotis@colorado.edu \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/ceae.colorado.edu\/new\/faculty\/people\/people.cgi?corotis \r\n\r\nEditorial Board: \r\n\r\nYounane Abousleiman, Ph.D., University of Oklahoma http:\/\/mpge.ou.edu\/faculty_staff\/faculty.html\r\n\r\nChing S. Chang, Ph.D., P.E., University of Massachusetts http:\/\/www.ecs.umass.edu\/cee\/faculty\/chang.html\r\n\r\nJoel P. Conte, Ph.D., P.E., University of California, San Diego\r\nhttp:\/\/kudu.ucsd.edu\/\r\n\r\nHenri Gavin, Duke University \r\nhttp:\/\/www.cee.duke.edu\/faculty\/gavin\/index.php\r\n\r\nBojan B. Guzina, University of Minnesota\r\nhttp:\/\/www.ce.umn.edu\/people\/faculty\/guzina\/\r\n\r\nChristian Hellmich, Dr.Tech., Vienna University of Technology\r\nhttp:\/\/whitepages.tuwien.ac.at\/oid\/998877.html\r\n\r\nLambros Katafygiotis, Ph.D., Hong Kong University of Science and Technology \r\nhttp:\/\/lambros.ce.ust.hk\/\r\n\r\nNik Katopodes, Ph.D., University of Michigan\r\nhttp:\/\/www.engin.umich.edu\/dept\/cee\/prospective\/\r\n\r\nNicos Makris, University of Patras\r\nhttp:\/\/www.civil.upatras.gr\/Melidep_gr\/depi_en.asp?profid=5\r\n\r\nRobert J. Martinuzzi, P.E., University of Calgary\r\nhttp:\/\/www.ucalgary.ca\/pubs\/calendar\/2005\/who\/stafflists\/academicAlpha.htm\r\n\r\nArif Masud, Ph.D., University of Illinois, Chicago\r\nhttp:\/\/www.uic.edu\/depts\/bioe\/faculty\/core_faculty_list.htm\r\n\r\nArvid Naess, Ph.D., Norwegian University of Science and Technology\r\nhttp:\/\/www.bygg.ntnu.no\/~arvidn\/front.htm\r\n\r\nKhaled W. Shahwan, Daimler Chrysler Corporation\r\nhttp:\/\/www.pubs.asce.org\/WWWdisplay.cgi?9800592\r\n\r\nGeorge Voyiadjis, Ph.D., EIT, Louisiana State University \r\nhttp:\/\/www.cee.lsu.edu\/facultyStaff\/Voyiadjis_George\/Voyiadjis_Gbio.htm\r\n\r\nYunping Xi, Ph.D., University of Colorado \r\nhttp:\/\/ceae.colorado.edu\/new\/faculty\/people\/people.cgi?xi\r\n\r\n \r\n\r\n Engineering Mechanics Division Executive Committee\r\n\r\nAlexander D. Cheng, Ph.D., M.ASCE, Chair\r\nhttp:\/\/home.olemiss.edu\/~acheng\/\r\n\r\nJames L. Beck, Ph.D., M.ASCE \r\nhttp:\/\/www.its.caltech.edu\/~jimbeck\/\r\n\r\nRoger G. Ghanem, Ph.D., M.ASCE \r\nhttp:\/\/ame-www.usc.edu\/personnel\/ghanem\/index.shtml\r\n\r\nWilfred D. Iwan, M.ASCE\r\nhttp:\/\/www.eas.caltech.edu\/fac_i-m.html#i\r\n\r\nChiang C. Mei, M.ASCE\r\nhttp:\/\/cee.mit.edu\/index.pl?id=2354&isa=Category&op=show\r\n\r\nVerna L. Jameson, ASCE Staff Contact\r\n\r\nJournal of Engineering Mechanics\r\n\r\n \r\n\r\nMore links to civil engineering papers and other information concerning the WTC collapse...\r\n\r\n \r\n\r\nBazant, Z.P., & Zhou, Y. \r\n"Addendum to 'Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? - Simple Analysis" (pdf) \r\nJournal of Engineering Mechanics v. 128, no. 3, (2002): 369-370. \r\n\r\nBrannigan, F.L. \r\n"WTC: Lightweight Steel and High-Rise Buildings" \r\nFire Engineering v.155, no. 4, (2002): 145-150. \r\n\r\nClifton, Charles G. \r\nElaboration on Aspects of the Postulated Collapse of the World Trade Centre Twin Towers \r\nHERA: Innovation in Metals. 2001. 13 December 2001. \r\n\r\n"Construction and Collapse Factors" \r\nFire Engineering v.155, no. 10, (2002): 106-108. \r\n\r\nCorbett, G.P. \r\n"Learning and Applying the Lessons of the WTC Disaster" \r\nFire Engineering v.155, no. 10, (2002.): 133-135. \r\n\r\n"Dissecting the Collapses" \r\nCivil Engineering ASCE v. 72, no. 5, (2002): 36-46. \r\n\r\nEagar, T.W., & Musso, C. \r\n"Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation" \r\nJOM v. 53, no. 12, (2001): 8-12. \r\n\r\nFederal Emergency Management Agency, Therese McAllister, report editor. \r\nWorld Trade Center Building Performance Study: Data Collection, Preliminary Observations, and Recommendations \r\n(also available on-line) \r\n\r\nGabrielson, T.B., Poese, M.E., & Atchley, A.A. \r\n"Acoustic and Vibration Background Noise in the Collapsed Structure of the World Trade Center" \r\nThe Journal of Acoustical Society of America v. 113, no. 1, (2003): 45-48. \r\n\r\n"Collapse Lessons" \r\nFire Engineering v. 155, no. 10, (2002): 97-103 \r\n\r\nMarechaux, T.G. \r\n"TMS Hot Topic Symposium Examines WTC Collapse and Building Engineering" \r\nJOM, v. 54, no. 4, (2002): 13-17. \r\n\r\nMonahan, B. \r\n"World Trade Center Collapse-Civil Engineering Considerations" \r\nPractice Periodical on Structural Design and Construction v. 7, no. 3, (2002): 134-135. \r\n\r\nNewland, D.E., & Cebon, D. \r\n"Could the World Trade Center Have Been Modified to Prevent Its Collapse?" \r\nJournal of Engineering Mechanics v. 128, no. 7, (2002):795-800. \r\n\r\nNational Instititue of Stamdards and Technology: Congressional and Legislative Affairs \r\n \u201cLearning from 9\/11: Understanding the Collapse of the World Trade Center\u201d \r\nStatement of Dr. Arden L. Bement, Jr., before Committee of Science House of Representatives, United States Congress on March 6, 2002. \r\n\r\nPinsker, Lisa, M. \r\n"Applying Geology at the World Trade Center Site" \r\nGeotimes v. 46, no. 11, (2001). \r\nThe print copy has 3-D images. \r\n\r\nPublic Broadcasting Station (PBS) \r\nWhy the Towers Fell: A Companion Website to the Television Documentary. \r\nNOVA (Science Programming On Air and Online) \r\n\r\nPost, N.M. \r\n"No Code Changes Recommended in World Trade Center Report" \r\nENR v. 248, no. 14, (2002): 14. \r\n\r\nPost, N.M. \r\n"Study Absolves Twin Tower Trusses, Fireproofing" \r\nENR v. 249, no. 19, (2002): 12-14. \r\n\r\nThe University of Sydney, Department of Civil Engineering \r\nWorld Trade Center - Some Engineering Aspects \r\nA resource site. \r\n\r\n"WTC Engineers Credit Design in Saving Thousands of Lives" \r\nENR v. 247, no. 16, (2001): 12.\r\n","author":"Just a guy","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-16 21:41:15","modified":"2013-11-11 00:49:47","fileurl":""},{"id":207173,"heading":"WTC 7 fires and south side hole","article":"Absolutely no damage to the South side of WTC 7 shown here, Right?\r\nhttp:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=Afb7eUHr64U&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edebunking911%2Ecom%2FWTC7%2Ehtm","author":"Just a guy","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-16 22:00:19","modified":"2007-09-16 22:00:19","fileurl":""},{"id":207174,"heading":"A real demolition","article":"Funny, Here is a high riise being demolished with explosives. \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=79sJ1bMR6VQ&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edebunking911%2Ecom%2Fcollapse%2Ehtm\r\n\r\nYou can hear the explosives clearly over the helicopter engine and rotating blades.\r\n\r\nFunny that you can't here the demolitions here:\r\nhttp:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=9SSS0DDqfm0&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edebunking911%2Ecom%2Fcollapse%2Ehtm\r\n\r\nBut don't watch this videio. It will dis-hearten you, well the ones that are not delusional that is\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=mmYzP_e2448&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edebunking911%2Ecom%2Fcollapse%2Ehtm\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Just a guy","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-16 22:24:13","modified":"2007-09-16 22:24:13","fileurl":""},{"id":207175,"heading":"come on","article":"gee, no matter how many threatened or paid off professionals you bring forth\r\nwhy are the vedio shots you offer a fraud as in the building that showed massive damage wasn't even WTC7 ( it had a flat top with one little penthouse unlike the Castileated building you bring forth as 'visual evidence'.\r\nYou spooks with the boat loads of chaff thrown up...\r\n"\r\nIn other words, the damaged parts of the tower were bound to fall down, but it was not clear why the undamaged building should have offered little resistance to these falling parts. \r\n\r\n"\r\nand other such generalities make for weasel explanations.\r\nOther a credited engineers and physics instructors professional architects etc. have views that support the thesis that the towers exhibited phenomena that indicate HE, thermite, thermate and as yet unexplained high energy pulverization of nearly all the concrete.\r\nEye witness accounts shred the government's conspiracy theory.\r\n\r\n9-11 was treason","author":"another spook.","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-16 22:29:20","modified":"2007-09-16 22:29:20","fileurl":""},{"id":207178,"heading":"Columns Cut not by Thermite","article":"This is getting to be to much fun.\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=ySHgiUxnLC0&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edebunking911%2Ecom%2Fthermite%2Ehtm","author":"Just a guy","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-16 23:06:35","modified":"2007-09-16 23:06:35","fileurl":""},{"id":207179,"heading":"try this URL","article":"try this URL\r\nhttp:\/\/www.abovetopsecret.com\/forum\/thread280552\/pg1\r\n as it addresses some of the 'just a guy' BS that has obviously been the product of many man hour of work. Oh well, there goes my tax money...","author":"45 degree cut discussion w\/photo","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-16 23:17:54","modified":"2007-09-16 23:17:54","fileurl":""},{"id":207180,"heading":"Free Fall?","article":"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=qLShZOvxVe4&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edebunking911%2Ecom%2Ffreefall%2Ehtm\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.911myths.com\/WTCREPORT.pdf\r\n\r\nJust a few numbers that make 9\/11 conspiracies nearly impossible:\r\n\r\n\r\nJ.L. Hudson\u2019s in Detroit, Michigan, the tallest building ever razed, was 439 ft. (26 stories)\r\nhttp:\/\/www.implosionworld.com\/records.htm \r\n\r\nWTC 7 was 570 ft. (47 stories) 1.3 times the height of the J.L. Hudson. http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/7_World_Trade_Center \r\n\r\n WTC 1\/2 was 1,368 ft. (110 stories) 3.12 times the height of J.L. Hudson.\r\nhttp:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/1_World_Trade_Center\r\nhttp:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/2_World_Trade_Center \r\n\r\nSo, on 9\/11, three buildings were razed with perfect precision. One was 131 ft. taller than the record tower and the other two (minus cell phone antennas) were 929 ft. taller than the record holder.\r\n\r\nThe Hudson Building \u201cIt took us 24 days with 12 people doing nothing but loading explosives\u2026\u201d James Santoro \u2013 Controlled Demolition Incorporated"\r\nhttp:\/\/www.history.com\/media.do?id=most_hudsons_implosion_broadband&action=clip \r\n\r\nEven according to the Loose Change guys, the heightened security and bomb-sniffing dogs had only been lifted for 5 days.\r\n\r\n","author":"Just a guy","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-16 23:31:18","modified":"2013-11-11 00:49:47","fileurl":""},{"id":207181,"heading":"try this URL I did","article":"I did and I would suggest you get the original file. You might see some interesting enhancemece, The poster isn't very good with CS2.","author":"Just a guy","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-16 23:42:29","modified":"2007-09-16 23:42:29","fileurl":""},{"id":207185,"heading":"huge boat loads of spam","article":"oh, I see.\r\nYou're here to bury the thread in disinfo and boloney sites from your special "approved" and there fore affirming government babble sources.\r\nNo reasoning of your own ( except the psycho referral ) but plenty of forwarded source material.\r\nYou spooks always play the same dance steps.\r\n9-11 was treason","author":"another spook.","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-17 01:12:44","modified":"2007-09-17 01:12:44","fileurl":""},{"id":207197,"heading":"I find it amazing","article":"I find it amazing that once challenged to provide proof, you discount it as propaganda from the spooks. Tell me, have you written a thesis and turned it in for peer review? If your so convinced that the government did this write a paper, supply your supporting evidence, and submit it to any university in the world for review. \r\n\r\nIts easy to sit there in your delusional world and make allegation and comments when you have no apparent education or idea's of what occurred. You do not understand or have any comprehension as to what took place. There are thousands of thesis from just about all of the applied science that were involved in the destruction that occurred on 9\/11 but because of your limited ability to comprehend what is in these papers ( do to your lack of education) you come to the conclusion that it is a conspiracy.\r\n\r\nEven your most educated ally or father of the conspiracy theory movement Steven E. Jones avoided the appropriate procedures involved in peer review.\r\n\r\nBYU College of Physical and Mathematical Sciences and the faculty of structural engineering issued statements in which they distanced themselves from Jones' work.\r\n\r\n"They noted that Jones' "hypotheses and interpretations of evidence were being questioned by scholars and practitioners," and expressed doubts about whether they had been "submitted to relevant scientific venues that would ensure rigorous technical peer review" \r\n\r\n"Jones maintains that the paper was peer-reviewed prior to publication, though it has never been published in an independent peer-reviewed journal."\r\n\r\nOn September 7, 2006, Jones removed his paper from BYU's website at the request of administrators and was placed on paid leave.[28] The university cited its concern about the "increasingly speculative and accusatory nature" of Jones' work and the concern that perhaps it had "not been published in appropriate scientific venues" as reasons for putting him under review. Source: http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Steven_E._Jones\r\n\r\nIt obvious that anything that suggest to you or the others in your movement that they are wrong is quickly discounted. I would really like to know your true educational background. Did you complete high school? and if so, how old are you? I bring age into the equation because it is well known that our public education system has deteriorated over the past 20 years. your average high school graduated of today has a reading, vocabulary, and comprehension level of a seventh grader compared to about 30 years ago.\r\n\r\nHere is another one you can dicount.:\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=L9KxH-a6Hx4&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edebunking911%2Ecom%2Ffirsttime%2Ehtm","author":"Just a guy","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-17 11:11:32","modified":"2007-09-17 11:11:32","fileurl":""},{"id":207198,"heading":"Wck? ha ha ha","article":"here's the deal.\r\nCan't you address the hard points of my \r\narguments w\/o referring to some\r\nready data base your unit provides?\r\nExplain:\r\nYour U tube FRAUD about WTC7\r\nlet's begin there.\r\nWTC7 had no visible major or even minor structural damage \r\nevident in any shot views. It's collapse \r\nwas classical demo work. A beautiful job.\r\nSo you are an Engineer?\r\nTrain @ Leonardwood?\r\nI was a Drill Sgt. there.\r\n","author":"another spook.","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-17 11:41:54","modified":"2007-09-17 11:41:54","fileurl":""},{"id":207199,"heading":"Wck? ha ha ha","article":"here's the deal.\r\nCan't you address the hard points of my \r\narguments w\/o referring to some\r\nready data base your unit provides?\r\nExplain:\r\nYour U tube FRAUD about WTC7\r\nlet's begin there.\r\nWTC7 had no visible major or even minor structural damage \r\nevident in any shot views. It's collapse \r\nwas classical demo work. A beautiful job.\r\nSo you are an Engineer?\r\nTrain @ Leonardwood?\r\nI was a Drill Sgt. there.\r\n","author":"another spook.","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-17 11:41:54","modified":"2007-09-17 11:41:54","fileurl":""},{"id":207200,"heading":"In this video","article":"There is portion of WTC 7 damaged and a fireman that says WTC is leaning and its going to colapse. What more do you want? or is this video fabricated as well?\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/video.google.com\/videoplay?docid=1287461440043399975&q=9%2F11+Deniers+Speak%E2%80%93the+Ground+Zero+edition&total=1&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0","author":"Just a guy","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-17 12:09:12","modified":"2007-09-17 12:09:12","fileurl":""},{"id":207201,"heading":"Again more damage WTC 7","article":"ABC 13:54 WTC7 damage\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/video.google.com\/videoplay?docid=-1990304284054866262&q=wtc+7+damage+911&total=71&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3","author":"Just a guy","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-17 12:16:09","modified":"2007-09-17 12:16:09","fileurl":""},{"id":207202,"heading":"heh","article":"Speaking of Firemen on the scene.\r\nCool.\r\nTry that on & deal w\/it\r\n\r\n","author":"another spook.","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-17 12:18:21","modified":"2007-09-17 12:18:21","fileurl":""},{"id":207203,"heading":"Explain this","article":"Eplain this video I found.\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/video.google.com\/videoplay?docid=-8154282784708203398&q=wtc+7+damage+911&total=71&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=6","author":"Just a guy","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-17 12:30:25","modified":"2007-09-17 12:30:25","fileurl":""},{"id":207204,"heading":"damnit","article":"URL didn't carry.\r\nUse this for Firemen at the count-down for a demo- oops.. I mean \r\n'collapse' \r\nhttp:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=deys8AxfVQw","author":"another spook.","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-17 12:31:25","modified":"2007-09-17 12:31:25","fileurl":""},{"id":207205,"heading":"Was any of the firemans?","article":"Was any of the firemans langusge taken out of contect like so many other things?\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.debunking911.com\/quotes.htm","author":"Just a guy","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-17 12:50:40","modified":"2007-09-17 12:50:40","fileurl":""},{"id":207206,"heading":"Have a couple of hours?","article":"Watch this and take notes.\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/video.google.com\/videoplay?docid=-3214024953129565561&q=Screw+Loose+Change+-+Not+Freakin%27+Again+edition&total=19&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2","author":"Just a guy","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-17 13:19:46","modified":"2007-09-17 13:19:46","fileurl":""},{"id":207219,"heading":"Train @ Leonardwood?","article":"Do you mean Fort Leonard Wood?\r\n "I was a Drill Sgt. there." \r\n\r\nSo basically, what does a Drill Sergeant do? Sergeants follow order from a officer. A officer has advance education vs. the enlisted which has at best, a high school diploma and at the lower spectrum, a GED.\r\n\r\nSo your education qualifies you to teach basic training and discount the thesis of many PhD's with expertise in advance sciences, correct? What, training have you recieved that qualifys you to come to the conclusion that the conspiracy theory is correct and the PhD's are wrong?\r\n\r\nHave you moved toward getting a BS, Masters or Doctorate in any of the fields that would be relevant in determining what caused the WTC collapse ?\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Just a guy","parent_id":207031,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-09-17 18:04:15","modified":"2007-09-17 18:04:15","fileurl":""}]}