{"article":{"id":191224,"heading":"the NAZIS\/SOS\/MMP will be in downtown LOs Angeles Sat Jan 13 2007","author":"BaBaBooey!","created":"2007-01-07 22:49:56","modified":"2007-01-27 03:44:51","last_modified":"Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:44:51","article":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><body><p>nazis never learn <br>  <br> they will be holding a rally 1\/13\/07 <br><br>  <br><br> Los Angeles - Los Angeles Federal Building <br>  <br> 300 North Los Angeles Los Angeles, California 11 am to 1 pm  <br><br> <\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","contact":"","link":"","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/plain","summary":"oppose the nazis\/skinheads\/aryan supremacists in DOWNTOWN LOS ANGELES","numcomment":52,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2007\/01\/191224.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":191284,"heading":"SOS meeting","article":"And they are having a big meeting in the San Fernando Valley on Monday the 8th at 8:00 . Maybe we should stop by...","author":"real american","parent_id":191224,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-01-09 02:14:04","modified":"2007-01-09 02:14:04","fileurl":""},{"id":191286,"heading":"MinuteKKKlan Watchdog","article":"","author":"feo","parent_id":191224,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2007-01-09 02:44:49","modified":"2007-01-09 02:44:49","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2007\/01\/mmwatch.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2007\/01\/mmwatch.jpg"}},{"id":191303,"heading":"What are they crying about now?","article":"What are these white supremacist scumbags crying about now?  Are they still spoewing their hate of brown skin or is this some specific hate spew they're on about this time?\r\n","author":"Fredric L. Rice","parent_id":191224,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-01-09 20:45:23","modified":"2007-01-09 20:45:23","fileurl":""},{"id":191322,"heading":"nazis?","article":"so if i go there, should i expect to see swastikas? or are these &quot;secret&quot; nazis?","author":"mike almeida","parent_id":191224,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-01-10 07:02:02","modified":"2007-01-10 07:02:02","fileurl":""},{"id":191338,"heading":"The Nazi Party Wouldnt Want these Clowns","article":"If theyre giving away free donuts you can rest assured Don Silver will be the first one there.\r\n\r\nlolol","author":"Joe Turner Begs For Money then LOSES!!!","parent_id":191224,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-01-10 18:04:12","modified":"2007-01-10 18:04:12","fileurl":""},{"id":191342,"heading":"Translation","article":"> so if i go there, should i expect to see \r\n> swastikas? or are these &quot;secret&quot; nazis?\r\n\r\nTranslation: The rightard wants to pretend that all of the photographs and all of the investigative evidence published on the Los Angeles Indymedia web site doesn't exist.\r\n","author":"Fredric L. Rice","parent_id":191224,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-01-10 19:55:16","modified":"2007-01-10 19:55:16","fileurl":""},{"id":191383,"heading":"I think I\\'ll send the picture to Mike Almeida\\'s boss","article":"of all those SoS members waving their nazi flags and confederate banners and tell hom\/her that Mike is also a member","author":"Indy Media Commies Rule!","parent_id":191224,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-01-11 21:53:17","modified":"2007-01-11 21:53:17","fileurl":""},{"id":191545,"heading":"the LAPD can\\'t protect you forever","article":"and then you\\'ll get yours","author":"sos for target practice","parent_id":191224,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-01-14 22:03:45","modified":"2007-01-14 22:03:45","fileurl":""},{"id":191576,"heading":"Minuteman","article":"Maria, the minuteman are wussies. They always call the cops for there rally. Can the minuteman dont call the cops up?","author":"Freedom Fighter","parent_id":191224,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-01-15 19:25:17","modified":"2007-01-15 19:25:17","fileurl":""},{"id":191603,"heading":"always the same crap","article":"what is this?\r\n\r\n**** There were 0 file(s) detected.\r\n\r\n* Your story is http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/news\/2010\/04\/01.php\r\n* Comment added!\r\n***\r\n\r\nThis is nonsense.  Am I auto blocked or just being fucked with again\/still?  Who is screwing up the \u2018open publishing\u2019?\r\nNOTE.\r\nI am curious as to why and who.\r\n\r\nNow, as to the obvious racial tension being generated by the deliberate and contrived refugee migration, this was predicted and even engineered by well thought out policies and heavy lobbying to abrogate the peoples\u2019 will.  NAFTA was the first big spike into the knees, nailing the manufacturing sector and therefore, labor onto the floor.\r\nDeath squads and client corruption in these countries does the rest and you SOS members don\u2019t know who your enemies are.  You\u2019re going after the expendable and legion pawns instead of their masters.  Ha Ha.\r\n\r\nWho said that there are always more where they came from?  \r\n\r\nThis is sad and typical manipulation of the analytically lazy.  And groupthink.\r\nSuggestions.\r\nDemand boycotts and investigations and press coverage of the various revolutions in Mexico.  These are our brothers and sisters, more victims and not our enemies.\r\n\r\nThe immorally wealthy, corrupt and degenerate are the enemy. SOS members seem to make more noise than action.  I wonder why?  Do they? ","author":"Dance","parent_id":191224,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-01-16 16:22:00","modified":"2013-11-11 00:46:52","fileurl":""},{"id":191620,"heading":"very funny maria","article":"The MM\/SOS has talked about voilence in there website several times. MM\/SOS has been caught carrying weapons in there rallies and at the border too. I dont call yelling, screaming, confrontation a volient act. Tell the adminstator to earse about 90% of the websites so i cant critize it. ","author":"Freedom Fighter","parent_id":191224,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-01-16 22:09:13","modified":"2007-01-16 22:09:13","fileurl":""},{"id":191744,"heading":"Maria will get what he\/she\/ it deserves","article":"when the cops get tired of holding his\/hers\/its hand. it\\'s just a matter of time","author":"sos\\'ers 4 target practice","parent_id":191224,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-01-18 22:23:16","modified":"2007-01-18 22:23:16","fileurl":""},{"id":191811,"heading":"reply","article":"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=TryO8-NkNW4\r\n\r\nThis is a video posted by one of the Minuteman participants. It shows very well how aggressive and immature the Minuteman members act, confronting people with different thinking, calling them &quot;bitch&quot; repeatedly, you name it. I'm always up for capturing this kind of behavior in camera but it makes my self appointed task much easier when they do it for me! This is like a case of road rage, only it goes on for many, many months.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":191224,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-01-20 07:13:19","modified":"2007-01-20 07:13:19","fileurl":""},{"id":191850,"heading":"reply","article":"I also find it pathetic and desperate of the Minutemen to cling onto certain people like the families of David March, Ramos and Campeon, and others. I know they have bad situations and I don't deny it. The Ramos and Campeon case, I haven't read much into. Obviously it's good that the killer of March is going to prison. But the thing is, if I was in that kind of situation, I'd say no thanks to the Minutemen. I would make it clear that I want no help, assistance, or support of any kind from any members of affiliates or even supporters of the Minutemen, KKK, National Alliance, Stormfront, whatever. How much connection there is between the Minutemen and the rest of those I listed, I'm not sure, but I've seen enough myself and I wouldn't take any chances with them. It's all tainted and embarrassing, Nazis or not. No thanks Minutemen. Step aside so other people can take action without being pressured into the Minuteman stigma.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":191224,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-01-21 06:10:32","modified":"2007-01-21 06:10:32","fileurl":""},{"id":191865,"heading":"reply","article":"http:\/\/www.saveourstate.org\/forums\/index.php?showtopic=21257\r\n\r\nYep, they're really riding this one to fame and stardom. They made sure they were in personal contact with the families of Ramos and Compean. With the president involved, they'll take this opportunity to put names like Jim Gilchrist and others in the media. Maybe even names like Robin Hvidston and Ray Hererra. Hurry up and jump on the wagon, it's your chance at fame! Maybe you can even speak to the president, curse him out, and brag about it on the John and Ken show!","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":191224,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-01-21 15:54:33","modified":"2007-01-21 15:54:33","fileurl":""},{"id":191878,"heading":"A little reality","article":"Reality check, plz.  This &quot;march&quot; is a fundraiser.  The Ramos family's doing the media tour, and Old Preach is pitching for donations (I guess some camp preachers just can't help themselves).  They're fundraising <a href=&quot;http:\/\/www.saveourstate.org\/forums\/index.php?showtopic=21243&pid=1050017929&st=0&#entry1050017929&quot;>&quot;going straight to grocery money.&quot;<\/a>  And for airfare, hotels, and all the rest of the media campaign frenzy, no doubt.\r\n\r\nThis is what went down.\r\n\r\nTwo rogue Border Patrol agents went running through the desert shooting at an unarmed guy for failure to yield.  The guy ran off after he surrendered, hands in the air, and the border patrol agents tried to pistol-whip him. They fired 15 rounds at the fleeing suspect, maybe already across the border, changing magazines as they went.\r\n\r\nCompean carefully scarfed up nine of the shell casings.  Sometime later, Compean asked a third agent to clean up the mess, and that agent went back to the site and grabbed up  five more casings and threw them into a drainage ditch.  Neither Compean or Ramos reported the shooting to any supervisor.\r\n\r\nAfter the fact, they discovered the guy was hauling pot and in the country on an expired visa.\r\n\r\nAnd that's the <a href=&quot;http:\/\/www.usdoj.gov\/usao\/txw\/press_releases\/2006\/Sutton%20statement%20re%20compean%20and%20ramos%20conviction.pdf&quot;>Department of Justice's<\/a> report.\r\n\r\nLet me say this again: two pigs ran after a fleeing suspect, shooting 15 rounds at his back, hitting him once.  He ran off *after* he had surrendered and the pigs started to beat him with their shotgun.  If this were anywhere but at the border, there'd be riots.  Hell, there *were* riots, triggered by less than this.\r\n\r\nWhat's the shame here is that no one's on the border videotaping pigs, but I'm guessing the anti-police brutality folks and the migrants' rights crowd will be all over this one if it looks like either of these buttwipes is going to get off.","author":"nazis for target practice","parent_id":191224,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-01-21 23:35:42","modified":"2007-01-21 23:35:42","fileurl":""},{"id":191883,"heading":"to wnn","article":"Before your ugliness gets hidden, let me ask:\r\n\r\nWhat name would you use for the African Americans who rioted after the Rodney King beating?  And what would you say was the &quot;cause&quot; of that riot?","author":"nazis for target practice","parent_id":191224,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-01-22 02:30:42","modified":"2007-01-22 02:30:42","fileurl":""},{"id":191885,"heading":"Reply to Target Practice","article":"It's interesting that you believe a report coming from the government when it's to your advantage.  If the tables were turned and the report found fault with one of your &quot;migrants&quot; you would be railing on about the lying Bush Administration.  \r\n\r\nBUSH IS A LYING POS CRIMINAL.  HE IS A GREEDY WAR MONGER AND AN OPEN BORDER ZEALOT.  HE WILL DO ANYTHING TO STOP THE BP AGENTS FROM DOING THEIR JOBS. ","author":"Maria","parent_id":191224,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-01-22 04:02:55","modified":"2007-01-22 04:02:55","fileurl":""},{"id":191886,"heading":"hey Maria","article":"That's why I said &quot;and that's from the Department of Justice.&quot;\r\n\r\nI should have been clearer.  I'm assuming the DoJ report is a whitewash, and the truth about what the agents did is far worse.\r\n\r\nYou, after all, are among the folks who think that federal law is going to change the natural flow of people without resources to places with resources.  Get a clue.\r\n\r\n","author":"nazis for target practice","parent_id":191224,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-01-22 04:18:27","modified":"2007-01-22 04:18:27","fileurl":""},{"id":191889,"heading":"it takes all the fun out of it","article":"when the minutemen expose their own selves.\r\n\r\nSo, Maria (assuming that's your real name, which it isn't but this should be fun anyway), what do you think of your compatriot wnnn?","author":"nazis for target practice","parent_id":191224,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-01-22 05:05:37","modified":"2007-01-22 05:05:37","fileurl":""},{"id":191906,"heading":"To Nazi's for Target Practice","article":"The only way to stop the flow of people to the US is to hold the Mexican government accountable for the way they treat their own people.  Building a wall won't work, passing stricter laws won't work.  It is disgusting the way the poor in Mexico are treated.  Mexico is a country rich in resources and they have the ability to take care of their own.  \r\n\r\nThe US can only absorb so many low skilled workes.  This huge influx of low skilled workers is hurting the poor in America.  \r\n\r\nWe need a revolution in Mexico and we need a revolution in the United States.  Politicians on both sides of the border are greedy scum who don't care about the average person.","author":"Maria","parent_id":191224,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-01-22 20:43:45","modified":"2007-01-22 20:43:45","fileurl":""},{"id":191907,"heading":"Maria","article":"Can you explain this video? The minuteman making threats.","author":"Freedom Fighter","parent_id":191224,"mime_type":"video\/quicktime","created":"2007-01-22 21:35:29","modified":"2007-01-22 21:35:29","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2007\/01\/mm_threaten_to_shoot.mov"},{"id":191910,"heading":"on the economy","article":"Maria,\r\n\r\n<a href=&quot;http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Economy_of_Mexico&quot;>Wikipedia<\/a> answers your proposal: &quot;Mexico's economy ranked 10-14th (depending on the methodology used) measured in its Gross Domestic Product and Gross National Income. According to the World Bank, income per capita is the first (nominal) or fifth (after Argentina, Chile, Costa Rica and Uruguay) in Latin America if measured as GDP (PPP), and the country is now firmly established as a middle-income country.&quot;\r\n\r\nand\r\n\r\n&quot;Trade with the United States and Canada has tripled since NAFTA was ratified in 1994. In recent years almost 85% of Mexico's exports go to the United States, making the Mexican economic cycles very dependent on the American economic behavior.&quot;\r\n\r\nThis shows up in <a href=&quot;https:\/\/www.cia.gov\/cia\/publications\/factbook\/print\/mx.html&quot;>Mexican economic stats<\/a>:  the ratio of exports to its GDP is 22% (compared to 8% in the U.S.).  But Mexico is doing a much better job of living within its means: its external debt is 16% of its GDP (in the U.S., that's 77%).\r\n\r\nSo, I suggest, the problem is the U.S., not Mexico, until the U.S. debt crashes the U.S. economy.  If this country allowed Mexico to hold on to its product (and the resources to make that product), instead of sucking it up north for the gringos, then Mexicans would be a lot better off.  And, since signing on to NAFTA, Mexico doesn't have much choice.\r\n\r\nSince NAFTA, up to 5M farmers have been forced off their land and 28000 native businesses have been squeezed out.  The price of corn tortillas (think bread) has risen 50%, and wages on the border are down 25%.  Sad to say, much of Mexico has become the impoverished barrio of its wealthy and thieving northern neighbor.  Now the effects of CAFTA are coming our way.\r\n\r\nUntil these &quot;free trade&quot; agreements include guarantees for good wages, a healthy environment, and an overall better standard of living, U.S. corporations will continue to ghoulishly slurp the wealth out of Mexico and the Central American countries and into the United States.  The people will follow the resources they need to survive.  No immigration law will stop that, except maybe to temporarily increase the poverty the U.S. is exporting until a tipping point is reached, here or there.\r\n\r\nWhat I'm waiting to see is what happens when the Chinese people get tired of working for less money than the maguiladora workers, and the Chinese government decides to call in its chit to pay them.  When that day comes, we'll all be trading in our gold fillings for those yen.","author":"nazis for target practice","parent_id":191224,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-01-23 00:41:40","modified":"2007-01-23 07:54:47","fileurl":""},{"id":191918,"heading":"&quot;Low Skilled&quot;?","article":"Actually, a lot of the workers are highly skilled, even degreed professionals.  They are often overskilled for the jobs they take.  They just have to take the low-skill jobs because they don't have status.\r\n\r\nIn a fairer world, they'd be doing okay in Mexico, benefiting from the increase in trade, but the way things are set up, they just get screwed.\r\n\r\nThe way things are set up, the bigshots in Mexico listen to the bigshots in the USA, and push forward with the neoliberal program.  When the Zapatistas had their uprising, did the USA support the uprising?  Of course not.  Our government opposed it.  The same thing happened with APPO.\r\n\r\nNot only that, but most Americans, ignorant as we are, went along with our government, and failed to raise money, failed to have telethons, failed to show pundits on the news to support the popular uprising in Mexico that would have helped the people reduce government corruption.\r\n\r\nAmerica supports corruption in Mexico.  By and large, except for some stalwart leftists, Americans support corruption in Mexico, by not supporting Mexicans in their efforts to get rid of corruption.\r\n\r\nAmericans support corruption in Mexico, indirectly, by not eliminating corruption from our own government and businesses.","author":"johnk","parent_id":191224,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-01-23 08:19:42","modified":"2007-01-23 08:19:42","fileurl":""},{"id":191953,"heading":"John & Nazi's","article":"Guys, did you read my comments?  We need a revolution in Mexico AND the US.  Both systems are corrupt.  You're preaching to the choir.  I do however take issue with you stance that many immigrants are not low skilled workers.  That just isn't true.  Many of the people coming here are uneducated (through no fault of their own).  \r\n\r\nAmericans are greedy.  We want everything cheap, cheap, cheap.  ","author":"Maria","parent_id":191224,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-01-23 20:06:57","modified":"2007-01-23 20:06:57","fileurl":""},{"id":191967,"heading":"reply","article":"Many of them may be &quot;unskilled&quot; workers, but I wont' hesitate to admit that the average worker among them is far more skilled than I am. It's not that I wouldn't do the jobs they do, often it's that I can't! Legal or not, according to US immigration laws, if they have a family to feed and do the job right, pay him\/her a fair and decent wage.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":191224,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-01-24 06:18:45","modified":"2007-01-24 06:18:45","fileurl":""},{"id":191968,"heading":"reply","article":"The part &quot;according to US immigration laws&quot; means whether they're here accordingly or not. I wasn't implying that such laws cover wages for workers here against immigration laws. I'm not taking a  stance on the issue of deportation or hiring people without papers. Lucky for me, I'm not a politician. But generally speaking, let people eat and be healthy and have dignity. And mass deportation is not the answer. I respect citizenship and immigration laws and the border. But, human life come first, no matter how many surrounding situations and effects we have to adjust. Make it so.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":191224,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-01-24 06:23:49","modified":"2007-01-24 06:23:49","fileurl":""},{"id":191970,"heading":"Maria","article":"Now you dont want to answer me because you know in that video the minuteman were violently making threats to an unarmed defenseless people. ","author":"Freedom Fighter","parent_id":191224,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-01-24 08:18:14","modified":"2007-01-24 08:18:14","fileurl":""},{"id":191982,"heading":"good question","article":"Perhaps a study should be formed to investigate this.  Could it be criminal propensity, selective enforcement or any of the other number of factors?\r\nWhy is all the focus on minor non corporate\/government criminality?The New Public Enemy, the underclass, is only a small fraction of the brutality and crime perpetrated upon the general public.\r\nYah want crime?\r\nLook at the structure of society and who controls the processes.  Really, those are your untouchable criminals who have basically created a slave prison industrial enterprise.\r\nMaybe the definition of a criminal is in question unlike the certain division between law and justice.\r\n\r\nJust thought I'd bring that up.\r\nThank You.\r\n:>)","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":191224,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-01-24 17:12:48","modified":"2007-01-24 17:12:48","fileurl":""},{"id":191996,"heading":"reply","article":"That video was from quite a while back but I only saw it for the first time when it was posted right here. Wish I had seen it sooner. I myself have seen this sort of thing in Lake Forest, but not really to this degree. However, instead of a protester, such words were said directly to a day labor worker. I do wish that video, posted here, would be shown on CNN and anywhere else in the media.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":191224,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-01-25 03:24:45","modified":"2007-01-25 03:24:45","fileurl":""},{"id":192026,"heading":"Not yet. Not now. But soon. Very,very soon.","article":"One day punks like \\&quot;Maria,\\&quot; \\&quot;the Donkey\\&quot; and their ilk will find that the pigs they rely on have abandonded them for a half-price sale at a donut shop. Then the hammer of justice will come down--hard.","author":"sos\\'ers 4 target practice","parent_id":191224,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-01-25 22:56:04","modified":"2007-01-25 22:56:04","fileurl":""},{"id":192040,"heading":"reply","article":"Looks like the Minutemen\/SOS will do their thing in Capistrano Beach, meeting at a Costco parking lot.\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.saveourstate.org\/forums\/index.php?showtopic=21161\r\n\r\n","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":191224,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-01-26 07:15:50","modified":"2007-01-26 07:15:50","fileurl":""},{"id":192097,"heading":"Thanks Jammer","article":"bump to the top!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!","author":"BaBaBooey!","parent_id":191224,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2007-01-27 03:44:51","modified":"2007-01-27 03:44:51","fileurl":""}]}