{"article":{"id":178622,"heading":"Kill Arabs, Cry Anti-semitism: The Dream Philosophy of Paranoids","author":"NORMAN FINKELSTEIN","created":"2006-09-15 23:34:39","modified":"2006-09-29 04:37:06","last_modified":"Fri, 29 Sep 2006 11:37:06","article":"

The Dream Philosophy of Paranoids

Kill Arabs, Cry Anti-Semitism

By NORMAN FINKELSTEIN

A central thesis of my book Beyond Chutzpah is that whenever Israel faces a public relations debacle its apologists sound the alarm that a \"new anti-Semitism\" is upon us. So, predictably, just after Israel faced another image problem due to its murderous destruction of Lebanon, a British all-party parliamentary group led by notorious Israel-firster Denis MacShane MP (Labor) released yet another report alleging a resurgence of anti-Semitism (Report of the All-Party Parliamentary Inquiry Into Antisemitism, September 2006). To judge by the witnesses (David Cesarani, Lord Janner, Oona King, Emanuele Ottolenghi, Melanie Phillips) and sources (MEMRI, Holocaust Education Trust) cited in the body of the report, much time and money could have been saved had it just been contracted out to the Israel Foreign Ministry. (The report's statement that \"we received no evidence of the accusation of anti-Semitism being misused by mainstream British Jewish community organizations and leaders\" perhaps speaks more to the selection of the witnesses than the reality.)

The single novelty of the report, which mostly rehashes fatuous allegations already disposed of in Beyond Chutzpah, is the new thresholds in idiocy it breaks. Consider the methodology deployed for demonstrating a new anti-Semitism. The report defines an anti-Semitic incident as any occasion \"perceived\" to be anti-Semitic by the \"Jewish community.\" This is the school of thought according to which it's raining even in the absence of any precipitation because I feel it's raining. It is the dream philosophy of paranoids, especially rational paranoids, for whom alleged victimhood is politically serviceable. The report includes under the rubric of anti-Semitic incidents not just violent acts and incendiary speech but \"conversations, discussions, or pronouncements made in public or private, which cross the line of acceptability,\" as well as \"the mood and tone when Jews are discussed.\" The wonder is that it didn't also tabulate repressed anti-Semitic libidinal fantasies. In the category of inherently anti-Semitic pronouncements the report includes \"drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis\" (only comparisons of contemporary Arab policy to that of the Nazis are permissible) and \"theories about Jewish or Zionist influence on American foreign policy\" (even if Jewish and Zionist organizations boast about this influence).

Much of the evidence of pervasive British anti-Semitism requires real strains in credulity. * The lone item listed under the ominous subheading \"The Blood Libel\" is a Syrian television series \"that would be possible for viewers in the UK to seeif they had suitable satellite receiving equipment.\" It also notes the unreferenced \"case of a Jewish university lecturer who was subjected to an anti-Semitic tirade from a student in the middle of a lecture and subsequently asked to explain to the university authorities why he ha upset the student.\" Is it anti-Semitic to wonder whether this is a crock? And then the report cites the warning of the London Assembly Conservative Group that \"there is a risk that in some political quarters 'views on international events can, almost subconsciously, lead to subtly different attitudes to, and levels of engagement with, different minority groups.'\" The new anti-Semitism business must be going seriously awry when British conservatives start sounding like Lacan. Finally, it is anti-Semitic for student unions to advocate a boycott of Israeli goods because this \"would restrict the availability of kosher food on campus.\" Maybe Israel can organize a \"Berlin airlift\" of gefilte fish.

Although claiming that, in the struggle against anti-Semitism, \"none of those who gave evidence wished to see the right free speech eroded,\" and \"only in extreme circumstances would we advocate legal intervention,\" the report recommends that university authorities \"take an active interest in combating acts, speeches, literature and events that cause anxiety or alarm among their Jewish students,\" and it registers disquiet that \"classic and modern anti-Semitic works are freely available for ordering on the Amazon.com website,\" and that \"the United States in particular has been slow to take action\" in closing down \"anti-Semitic internet sites.\" It is at moments like this that even the least patriotic of souls can take pride in being an American.



* The police data on an increase in anti-Semitic incidents in itself proves little because, as the report concedes, the spike might be due to more incidents being reported and a coarsening of British life generally, as well as the \"spillover\" from the Israel-Palestine conflict. In addition, there is little evidence of \"organized,\" \"politically motivated\" anti-Semitic attacks; there is no evidence that perpetrators of anti-Semitic attacks were disproportionately Muslim; and most of the suspects in the incidents were adolescents. For 2005 the report cites a couple incidents that were \"potentially\" life-threatening. It cites no comparative data for other minorities in Britain, although tacitly acknowledging that \"the level of prejudice and discrimination by Jews in Britain remains lower,\" a considerable understatement . On a related note, it deplores that \"less than one in ten [anti-Semitic] incidents reported to the police resulted in a suspect becoming an accused\" , but cites no comparative data indicating whether this ratio is aberrant.

Norman Finkelstein's most recent book is Beyond Chutzpah: On the misuse of anti-Semitism and the abuse of history (University of California Press). His web site is www.NormanFinkelstein.com.<\/p>\n","contact":"","link":"","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/plain","summary":"A central thesis of my book Beyond Chutzpah is that whenever Israel faces a public relations debacle its apologists sound the alarm that a "new anti-Semitism" is upon us. So, predictably, just after Israel faced another image problem due to its murderous destruction of Lebanon, a British all-party parliamentary group led by notorious Israel-firster Denis MacShane MP (Labor) released yet another report alleging a resurgence of anti-Semitism (Report of the All-Party Parliamentary Inquiry Into Antisemitism, September 2006). To judge by the witnesses (David Cesarani, Lord Janner, Oona King, Emanuele Ottolenghi, Melanie Phillips) and sources (MEMRI, Holocaust Education Trust) cited in the body of the report, much time and money could have been saved had it just been contracted out to the Israel Foreign Ministry. (The report's statement that "we received no evidence of the accusation of anti-Semitism being misused by mainstream British Jewish community organizations and leaders" perhaps speaks more to the selection of the witnesses than the reality.)","numcomment":72,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2006\/09\/178622.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":178623,"heading":"That is how they attempt to stifle criticism","article":"That is how they attempt to stifle criticism, they whine "anti-semitic" in an attempt to shout you down if you don;t swallow their pro-israel propaganda hook, line and sinker.\r\nNot here. You will not shout us down and we will continue to speak truth to power.\r\n","author":"Proud Human","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-15 23:36:39","modified":"2006-09-15 23:36:39","fileurl":""},{"id":178713,"heading":"How very sad indeed","article":"It's a role reversal","author":"Israel=the New Nazis","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2006-09-16 21:00:39","modified":"2006-09-16 21:00:39","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2006\/09\/rolereversal-11.jpgd7dpfh.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2006\/09\/rolereversal-11.jpgd7dpfh.jpg"}},{"id":178806,"heading":"Anti-semiticism in the USA","article":"Hate Crimes in California in 2005: \r\n\r\nNorman Finkelstein claims that any criticism of Israel is instantly met by those who cry "anti-semitism" as a smokescreen. But couldn't it be that anti-semiticsm is really a problem? Perhaps Finkelstein is trying to distract US from the legitimate criticism of Israel's enemies.\r\n\r\nSo is anti-semitism a real problem in the USA, especially after 9-11 with its corresponding increase in hate crimes leveled against Muslims?\r\n\r\nLets compare the stats.\r\n\r\nThese are 2005 statistics from State Attorney General Bill Lockyear. These are ONLY hate crimes against a particular religion in the state of California.\r\n\r\n\r\nsee for the full report at: \r\nhttp:\/\/ag.ca.gov\/cjsc\/publications\/hatecrimes\/hc05\/preface05.pdf \r\n\r\nFROM: PAGE 31 in the report \r\n\r\nAnti-Jewish hate crimes: 152 \r\nAnti-Muslim hate crimes: 13 \r\nHate crimes against religious institutions: \r\nJewish institutions: 16 \r\nIslamic institutions: 1\r\n\r\nBECKY: So you can see, if critics cry "anti-semitism" its probably not faked, but a real concern.","author":"Becky Johnson","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-17 14:58:48","modified":"2006-09-17 14:58:48","fileurl":""},{"id":178811,"heading":""...especially after 9-11..."","article":"Yes, "especially" after 9-11, which was manna from heaven for zionist whackbags, who were dancing in the streets every bit as much as any Arab, as seen with the five Mossad agents filming the collapse from New Jersey\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.sundayherald.com\/37707\r\n\r\nand with Binyamin Netanyahu (per page A-1 of the 9\/12\/01 New York Times): \r\n\r\n\u201cOh, It\u2019s VERY GOOD!!! (aauughh!!! shit! fuck! uh... uh...) ...well... uh... uh... well... uh... not *good* per se, but it will generate immediate sympathy [for Israel from Americans].\u201d\r\n\r\nSo in other words WTF does 9-11 have to do with any "especially"\r\n\r\nStatistics such as you're quoting also can not be trusted, since calculating political zealots like yourself have been caught in the act staging "anti-Semitic hate crimes" too many times. Ever heard of the boy who cried "wolf!"? \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.thesimon.com\/magazine\/articles\/canon_fodder\/0602_stomping_out_phony_hate_crimes.html \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/news.bbc.co.uk\/2\/hi\/europe\/3927739.stm \r\n\r\nThis one is most apropos: \r\nhttp:\/\/kron4.com\/Global\/story.asp?S=1867132 \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.adelaideinstitute.org\/Racecard\/antisemitism16.htm \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.post-gazette.com\/pg\/06001\/630907.stm \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/news.bbc.co.uk\/2\/hi\/europe\/3891609.stm \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/tinyurl.com\/f74pk \r\n\r\nAnd these are only SOME of the times you were CAUGHT. There must be 10 to 100 times as many incidents where the gag went over 'like buddah'\r\n\r\nYou know perfectly well that keeping the post-WWII "Jewish Victim" guilt-trip alive is Israel's most essential political capital. It doesn't take a rocket scientist. It's not like any government agency is going to build corrections for this into their crimes studies, either; then you'd REALLY start emptying the Big Guns up their asses. Bureaucrats *LIKE* job security\r\n\r\nTaking this and also factoring in the small numbers of Jews compared to other reviled groups in California (e.g. blacks, hispanics) your pretense that your numbers represent anything real pretty much falls apart. It's not that you're targeted this much more than anybody else; it's that you can actually afford legal help and literally LEAP to avail yourselves of it in this context. Every incident like this that makes the news is another sheckel in Israel's political till...","author":"TW","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-17 17:01:35","modified":"2013-11-11 00:44:19","fileurl":""},{"id":178813,"heading":"Careful","article":"Statistics such as you're quoting also can not be trusted, since calculating political zealots like yourself have been caught in the act staging "anti-Semitic hate crimes" too many times. \r\n\r\n\r\nThe statistics are under-reported if anything. A Chabad student walking home from synagogue is assaulted- the police claim "no evidence of a hate crime"- even through nothing was stolen. Jewish students in high school have swastikas grafitted on their lockers- the police do nothing- it goes unreported because after all "there is no evidence that its anything more than just kids"\r\n\r\nAnd you know damn well if what happened in Seattle and San Francisco were reversed, taht Wendy Campbell and her ilk would be calling it a hate crime\r\n\r\nThe Twana Brawley case doesn't mean all hate crimes against AFrican AMericans were fabricated- it means one was.","author":"your prejudice is showing","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-17 17:09:17","modified":"2006-09-17 17:09:17","fileurl":""},{"id":178827,"heading":"Becky ALWAYS uses her name when posting","article":"Big deal. But when it happens to Jews the whole political\/media machine leaps on board and starts screaming at the cattle through bullhorns\r\n\r\nWell, it happened to Jews, twice,in 2 months and both times the MSM said "Eh. Not a hate crime. Mental illness" And the Jewish community said the same, except for a few dissenting voices.","author":"your prejudic eis showing","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-17 19:46:39","modified":"2006-09-17 19:46:39","fileurl":""},{"id":178829,"heading":"Of course, Tia, silly me","article":""Well, it happened to Jews, twice,in 2 months and both times the MSM said "Eh. Not a hate crime. Mental illness" And the Jewish community said the same"\r\n\r\nMmm. Yeah. Sure. Tell me about it \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.thesimon.com\/magazine\/articles\/canon_fodder\/0602_stomping_out_phony_hate_crimes.html \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/news.bbc.co.uk\/2\/hi\/europe\/3927739.stm \r\n\r\nThe delish one: \r\nhttp:\/\/kron4.com\/Global\/story.asp?S=1867132 \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.adelaideinstitute.org\/Racecard\/antisemitism16.htm \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.post-gazette.com\/pg\/06001\/630907.stm \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/news.bbc.co.uk\/2\/hi\/europe\/3891609.stm \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/tinyurl.com\/f74pk \r\n","author":"TW","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-17 19:59:27","modified":"2006-09-17 19:59:27","fileurl":""},{"id":179843,"heading":"TW said the same thing","article":"It was quite amusing. Tom recognized him as a mentor, and TW just screamed black ops, claimed there was no anti-Semitism in America. \r\n\r\n Tom is a true idiot and showed up as, what, one of 6 neo-Nazis at a rally in Sacramento.\r\nTom, you raging moron- go back to school. There is still time to do something productive with your life. Do you want to grow up and be like Sheep Dog or TW? No- don't answer that.","author":"and Tom begged him to take him seriously","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 00:18:39","modified":"2006-09-27 00:18:39","fileurl":""},{"id":179844,"heading":"don't do that, sweet cheeks","article":"Don't associate me with a psycho like TW ( or his alter ego Tom ) ever.\r\nWhy don't you two ( or three or five ) just go somewhere else to self stimulate?\r\nAnd you don't fool me for a second. TW and you are in the same office of the israeli lobby. Even if it's a virtual office.","author":"that's revolting","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 00:23:43","modified":"2006-09-27 00:23:43","fileurl":""},{"id":179845,"heading":"Faking hate crimes","article":"Thanks to TW for all the interesting links to hate crimes against Jews and faked hate crimes against Jews. It just goes to show how people who are mentally unbalanced already, can latch onto irrational hatred of Jews and become obsessive about it.\r\n\r\nHere is one interesting thing at the last site you posted.\r\n\r\n http:\/\/tinyurl.com\/f74pk \r\n\r\nIt said:\r\n\r\n"Fake bomber jailed in France\r\n\r\nparis (jta) | A man who placed fake bombs near Jewish targets in the Paris region was sentenced to two months in jail.\r\n\r\nA court in Paris on Friday, May 15, found Julien Sudrie, 18, guilty of placing a false bomb on the grounds of a synagogue in Villers-le-Bel, north of the capital, earlier this month.\r\n\r\nHe was also found guilty of placing another device outside the home of a member of the same Jewish community.\r\n\r\nExplaining the relatively light sentence, which also includes a 12-month suspended sentence, the court noted that Sudrie had been undergoing psychiatric treatment and was not suspected of being motivated by anti-Semitism.\r\n\r\nNissim-Nachum Sultan, rabbi of the synagogue, had appealed to the court to show \u201cthe greatest clemency possible\u201d in sentencing Sudrie, noting that Sudrie had shown remorse for his actions. The rabbi said he was satisfied with the verdict."\r\n\r\nBECKY: So the attacker wasn't Jewish. And the Rabbi went to court to plead clemency for him. This really proves your point that those Jews are ALWAYS faking hate crimes against themselves. Nice link!!\r\n\r\n","author":"Becky Johnson","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 00:58:25","modified":"2013-11-11 00:44:27","fileurl":""},{"id":179847,"heading":"people who are mentally unbalanced","article":"like the zionazi campers here who pretend to be the opposition, like TW ( Hex ) and the rest of the weasel farm inmates.\r\n","author":"tell us all aout it","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 01:55:06","modified":"2006-09-27 01:55:06","fileurl":""},{"id":179848,"heading":"TW is a closet Zionist???","article":"QUESTION FOR TELL US ABOUT IT: Are you claiming that TW and HEX are actually closet Zionists who come in here and post endlessly in a manner intended to make anti-Zionists look like hate-mongering, racist, name-callers?\r\n\r\nWhat would ever lead you to that conclusion?","author":"Becky Johnson","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 02:13:26","modified":"2006-09-27 02:13:26","fileurl":""},{"id":179849,"heading":"awww how cute","article":"You're not intelligent enough to follow this conversation, Ms. BJ, so don't try.\r\nAnd you already know all about it anyway since you've been working together for months. I chase away Hex and he, being compulsively self flagellating, so say nothing of keeping his pay check, had to come back for more but as 'TW'.\r\n\r\nI realize that you as well as the crew you work with believe that you're too clever for us but you aren't.\r\nNot by a long shot. Have a nice day.","author":"Simple for BECKY","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 02:26:26","modified":"2006-09-27 02:26:26","fileurl":""},{"id":179851,"heading":"Trying to keep up here.","article":"So, Hex and TW are the same. They are Zionists, hired by "The Zionists" to make anti-Zionists look bad. Tia and Becky are the same person as well- not the same as TW and Hex, but the same as each other. SY appears to be feeding them their information. And Tom was just thrown in to make it hard to follow.\r\n\r\nSheepdog, as you on any medication for this?","author":"its getting weird","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 02:42:20","modified":"2006-09-27 02:42:20","fileurl":""},{"id":179852,"heading":"oh, that.","article":"Don't get your panties in a bind there Ms. Sugarpie but the heavy handed mutual support that all of you indulge in belies any other possibility.\r\n\r\nAnd the 'meds' retort is old. \r\nThat's when I know I've hit a target 'cause it is all you have left to say.\r\n\r\nI wish I did have some good bud, though. Expresso will have to do.","author":"meds","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 02:48:45","modified":"2006-09-27 02:48:45","fileurl":""},{"id":179854,"heading":"Project Mockingbecky","article":"And BTW, I said *you* were confused and answered a comment directed at Ms. BJ.\r\nNot my confusion unless you really are BJ and lose track of who you're posing as at any particular time.\r\nNot my problem.\r\nI only pretend to be *one* person at a time.","author":"dang","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 02:57:01","modified":"2006-09-27 02:57:01","fileurl":""},{"id":179855,"heading":"ooo. Thinking about my panties, are you?","article":"So TW is a closet Zionist. Here, Google TW and indymedia- see what he's been saying for the past few years:\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/tinyurl.com\/r8dgf\r\n\r\n\r\nDo you still believe that? \r\nDoes he make the anti-Zionists look bad? Yep. \r\nIs that compensatible? I don't think so.\r\n\r\nTry this on for size. Do you and Toady make the anti-zionists look bad? Yep.\r\nAre you being compensated, or are you a volunteer?\r\n\r\n","author":"That gets old, too","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 03:00:20","modified":"2006-09-27 03:00:20","fileurl":""},{"id":179856,"heading":"don't care","article":"that proves nothing at all. The best mole will always seem to be part of the opposition. Yep about the same template Hex used. But bereft of all the asinine graphics. Hmmmm in fact, he seems to fit the psycho pattern of Smashy the freak. Could be the same one too. \r\nAnyway. It's all just deduction from observations. And if it is 'slander' I guess I've done some damage. So sue me.","author":"do me a favor","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 03:08:23","modified":"2006-09-27 03:08:23","fileurl":""},{"id":179857,"heading":"I have an idea","article":"I'll sit back and watch.\r\n\r\n","author":"Take it up with TW","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 03:13:22","modified":"2006-09-27 03:13:22","fileurl":""},{"id":179859,"heading":"I know you will","article":"And what's the matter with 'TW' is he still having seizures of Touretts? \r\nHope he doesn't burst 'cause he's fun to humiliate in public. \r\n\r\nPoor sick bastard.","author":"so pay attention","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 03:18:23","modified":"2006-09-27 03:18:23","fileurl":""},{"id":179871,"heading":"TW is many things","article":"And I deeply resent being in the position where I am forced to defend his sincercity.\r\nThat being said:\r\n\r\nI believe that TW is not only anti- Zionist, and anti-Israel, but is also an anti-Semite. I believe he is *sincerely* anti-Zionist, anti-Israel and anti-Semitic. \r\n\r\nI believe you have chosen this line of attack because you know that it is particularly hateful to him to :\r\na. Be associated in anyway possible with Israel and Zionism\r\nand\r\nb. be associated in anyway possible with *me*\r\n\r\nNope, sweetpie pie. Wake up and smell the coffee. He's one of yours.\r\nAnd you are taking childish revenge on him because his 9\/11 theory makes more sense than yours.","author":"but he is not a Zionist","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 05:25:25","modified":"2006-09-27 05:25:25","fileurl":""},{"id":179872,"heading":""And you are taking childish revenge on him..."","article":"Yup. \r\n\r\nNOW who looks like a "spoiled baby"","author":"TW","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 05:33:50","modified":"2006-09-27 05:33:50","fileurl":""},{"id":179873,"heading":"Of course, another way to look at it is","article":"Why should it just be the responsibility of one?","author":"the more people tormenting TW, the better","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 05:44:49","modified":"2006-09-27 05:44:49","fileurl":""},{"id":179890,"heading":"I thought it was obvious","article":"It's apparent that TW, Hex or psycho boy does just swell at tormenting himself. Poor sick bastard.\r\nAnd he is one of yours. Just with the 'SAME OLD TWIST' as before.\r\nAnd if you want to see his psycho side, all you need to do is read this thread.\r\nhttp:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/news\/2006\/09\/178626_comment.php#179861","author":"turning on a dime","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 11:57:58","modified":"2006-09-27 11:57:58","fileurl":""},{"id":179900,"heading":"yeah, nuts","article":"So when you defend his 'planes did it' theory you are playing the opposition.\r\n\r\nDon't try to stick him on me.\r\nHe's not one of 'mine' 'cause I'm unaffiliated.\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"funny thing, though","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 13:34:22","modified":"2006-09-27 13:34:22","fileurl":""},{"id":179901,"heading":"Even a broken clock","article":"He can be right about the planes. He can be right about human ecology. He can be wrong about Israel.\r\n\r\nWe are human beings. Each of us is deeply flawed. (some more than others, perhaps)To characterize people as good or evil, or right or wrong is to over simplify. Our actions can be good or evil, our actions can be right or wrong . It does not make our essence as people any different.\r\n\r\nIn Judiasm, a person is considered a "good" person is the majority of their acts are "good" acts. The majority- 51%. The astonishing thing about that is each act becomes significant- you don't know which single act will tip the scales towards righteousness.\r\n\r\nSo yeah, he's right about some things. He's wrong about others. He's human. What does this fact surprise you?","author":"is right twice a day","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 13:45:00","modified":"2006-09-27 13:45:00","fileurl":""},{"id":179902,"heading":"more funny things","article":"awww come on.\r\nThe only reason you defend this psycho is that his real agenda is to attempt to accumulate 'creditability' in order to gate keep ( and this is where he shows his true agenda) on serious issues that the zionist lobby finds uncomfortable.\r\nAnd if this was just another nut, why do you even care?\r\nAnd persist in supporting him.\r\nHe needs help, alright.\r\nSo you and BECKY together with the rest of your weasel crew can romp in a spaz fest of zionazi propaganda.","author":"protest too much","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 13:57:19","modified":"2006-09-27 13:57:19","fileurl":""},{"id":179904,"heading":"TW's Mossad Handler","article":"TW, New instructions. Congratulations, you've already convinced the public that anti-zionst are semi-literate, un-educated, mouth breathing ignoramuses. Its time tolay low now so that Toady can convince the general public that anti-zionists are also sexual deviants and infantile spam freaks.\r\n\r\nOnce again, congratulations on a job well done.","author":"New instructions","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 14:06:45","modified":"2006-09-27 14:06:45","fileurl":""},{"id":179905,"heading":"who is Toady?","article":"Isn't that why you have psycho boy here in the 1st place?\r\nWhen one sees the whole picture, it makes perfect sense.","author":"and you need very little help.","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 14:13:18","modified":"2006-09-27 14:13:18","fileurl":""},{"id":179907,"heading":"On romping freely","article":"The only reason you defend this psycho is that his real agenda is to attempt to accumulate 'creditability' in order to gate keep ( and this is where he shows his true agenda) on serious issues that the zionist lobby finds uncomfortable. \r\n\r\nWho's defending the psycho? I just said his anti-Semitism was sincere.\r\nWith a defense, like that, who needs a prosecution?\r\nAnd if he cared about his credability, he'd do something 'bout his outbursts. We've told him that before.\r\n \r\nAnd persist in supporting him. \r\n\r\nSupporting him, HOW? By claiming his anti-Semitism is sincere? This helps him, how?\r\n\r\nSo you and BECKY together with the rest of your weasel crew can romp in a spaz fest of zionazi propaganda.\r\n\r\nWe like romping. We don't need TW's help in romping. Nor is his participation hinderance. We romp freely. Then the editors delete us and we pout. Then we romp again. \r\n\r\nSheepdog, you and Tw need to learn to play nice together- to unite in your hatred of the Zionists, and not to let something like CD get in the way of a potentially beautiful friendship. Remember- the powers that be seek to divide and conquer. TW and Nessie have already split over Nessie's status as a breeder. Now you and TW are splitting over the planes vs CD. Let you hate keep you together! Let your hate provide a foundation for friendship and growth! Let your hate unify and unite you.\r\n\r\nOr not. We don't really care.\r\n\r\nI have a nice little action group. I adore them all. i don't know their last names- i don't know what they do for a living- i don't know what their family status is. But I know I can trust them to watch my back, and they can trust me to do the same. Its a beautiful thing. On Aug. 12, one of them pressed a canister of tear gas into my hand, looked meaningfully in my eyes and admonished me to take care. It was a lovely moment, a moment of solidarity in spite of differences.\r\n\r\nYou and the anti-Zionists can do the same. Let your hate be your guide","author":"and playing nice","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 14:21:17","modified":"2006-09-27 14:21:17","fileurl":""},{"id":179912,"heading":"paint wont stick","article":"Hah.\r\nPlay nice.\r\nRight.\r\nI've been playing nice by allowing psychoboy to trip into his own crap.\r\nI can't help his episodes of ad homimins, profanity and junk science.\r\n\r\nI'd rather play with a wolverine.","author":"even with sugar on it","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 14:27:26","modified":"2006-09-27 14:27:26","fileurl":""},{"id":179914,"heading":"Who is Toady?","article":"Toady is an editor at Indybay, who, having suceeded in rendering Indybay unfit for human habitation, has preceeded to follow us here and bombard us with spam.\r\nToady will :\r\n*post 9 anti-Israel articles in 10 minutes, 3 times a day\r\n*post porn under the names of his opponents\r\n* play "i want the last word", until his mom kicks him off the computer\r\n*forge other peoples names to post spam under, and has never used the same nym twice.\r\n\r\nToady (named for his boot-licking admiration for TW)is a considerable source of white noise around here. In spite of varying offers of F 2 F meetings to dialog , he remains terrified of me. (Of me? Little old me?)and refuses to indentify himself in person.","author":"Toady followed us here, too","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 14:31:08","modified":"2006-09-27 14:31:08","fileurl":""},{"id":179915,"heading":"We all need","article":""I'd rather play with a wolverine."\r\n\r\nThis can be arranged, you know.\r\nAt your convenence, of course.\r\n\r\nLet us know","author":"toplay more","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 14:34:15","modified":"2006-09-27 14:34:15","fileurl":""},{"id":179918,"heading":"You can find me in 5 minuts on the internet","article":"Its only the anti-ZIonists who cower. \r\n\r\n\r\n"Man has always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much - the wheel, New York, wars and so on - while all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. \r\n\r\nBut conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man for precisely the same reason." - Douglas Adams\r\n\r\nWe should all spend more time mucking about in the water.\r\n\r\n","author":"nothing to hide","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 14:45:11","modified":"2006-09-27 14:45:11","fileurl":""},{"id":179921,"heading":"Are you afraid of me too?","article":"I'm just a litlte old vegetarian pacifist. I walk spiders outside. I co-exist with all manners of rodentia. I do "catch and release" with flies.\r\n\r\nFear not. I walk a different path.","author":"Awwww","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 14:56:18","modified":"2006-09-27 14:56:18","fileurl":""},{"id":179963,"heading":"OOOoooo hidden, huh?","article":"This is very funny.\r\nNot at *all* like they're the same freak. Totally different, yup.\r\nI see that my comments were hidden. No problem.\r\nAnd I see he's using THE SAME template as always, starting out mild and nice to end up as berserk psychoboy after a bit of time.\r\nStill trying to say I live in NM as some kind of salesman.\r\nOh well. It keeps me on my toes and this wire.\r\n\r\n\r\nContinue with the circus in hell.","author":"TW out 'Hex' in.","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 20:02:10","modified":"2006-09-27 20:02:10","fileurl":""},{"id":179966,"heading":"sorry sheepster","article":"I'm sure TW will turn up sometime - at some point you should expect to see the 2 of us dialogue matter of fact..\r\n\r\nas to "toady" and indybay well I wouldn't know anything about that however indybay's page rank is looking better & better all the time according to Alexa so the barb about it being "unfit" doesn't well - "fit"\r\n\r\nthe only thing I havent figured out is where the comments are and how to display a comments page like here - I would have registered there by now if I could..\r\n\r\nspeaking of which - I'm registered at Arkansas IMC and again have sent detailed info here via email on my identity and location - even my exact physical location of where the station is to Joe\r\n\r\nremember the radio station ?\r\n\r\nPS - has TW ever said anything about operating a radio station or having a website for it ?\r\n\r\nuse your brain..\r\n\r\nPPS - feel free to email me - TW feel free likewise - since we agree on most issues you'd be interesting to talk to\r\n\r\nkeli1041fm@yahoo.com\r\n\r\n","author":"hex","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 20:26:43","modified":"2006-09-27 20:26:43","fileurl":""},{"id":179968,"heading":"you're going to argue with yourself?","article":"Your 'radio station', like yourself are a total fake.\r\n\r\nBut I'm sure you'll try and convince us.\r\n\r\nTell you what.\r\nShow us an article from a local paper about your secret station and not some construct of yours from an over worked front.\r\n\r\nShould I post some of *your* more pertinent comments?\r\n-tweet- ","author":"that'll be funny too","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 20:33:15","modified":"2006-09-27 20:33:15","fileurl":""},{"id":179978,"heading":"more spam please","article":"And I worry at night, about being forced to wear a turban.\r\n","author":"at least, on topic","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 20:49:49","modified":"2006-09-27 20:49:49","fileurl":""},{"id":179996,"heading":"well I did a little digging","article":"here's what popped up..\r\n\r\ncharismatic megafauna - some blog by a "green zionist goat lover" who will never stop fighting for freedom\r\n\r\n- has a "thing" for TW\r\n\r\n(appears to be "tia" but only a guess)\r\n\r\n\r\nindybay.org\r\n\r\nI've never posted there - except a few comments about poultry and bird flu awhile back..\r\n\r\naccording to hits on google TW is a regular there and they "protect" him\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nutah.indymedia.org\r\n\r\nI've never even visted there much less posted there\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nindymediawatch\r\n\r\na blog, states something about TW "raving", etc\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nanother hit from the "charismatic megafauna" blog \r\n\r\n"Wanna see some misogyny? Check out this thread: http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/news\/2006\/07\/166993_comment.php#167617\r\nBasically, TW getting pissed because a woman is aggressively debating and refusing to be subordinate. Also, check out the link that TW posted to a thread from a couple of weeks ago that is the most amazingly misogynist thing I've had the privledge of seeing in "progressive" circles. Theories that lesbians are angry because they need men, etc. It's a real piece of work:\r\nhttp:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/news\/hidden.php?id=166360#166522"\r\n\r\nI did read those threads while ghosting - and people here at IMC know my stand on this issue - which isn't what TW's stand is at all..\r\n\r\n(while he may have a problem with "women agressively debating" I don't care about the subject at all - period)\r\n\r\n\r\noh and sheepster & nessie on sf-imc trashing indybay, trashing TW, trashing indybay supporting TW, and trashing\/confusing me with the usual "moles"\r\n\r\n\r\nand a whole bunch of Taiwan hits (naturally)\r\n\r\nRe: proof of the station\r\n\r\nhere you are sheepster - http:\/\/rexit2.org\/keli\/\r\n\r\nplease do check out the detailed pictures of the antenna (under the storm link, damaged with me fixing it), the "network status", "information", "about us", the "Mirrored websites and Archives" pictures and the *live station bitcast* links\r\n","author":"hex","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 21:27:47","modified":"2006-09-27 21:27:47","fileurl":""},{"id":179999,"heading":"fucking liar","article":"show some evidence of this accusation, asshole.","author":"sheepster & nessie on sf-imc trashing indybay","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 21:41:44","modified":"2006-09-27 21:41:44","fileurl":""},{"id":180003,"heading":"so unless he isn't "pointer"...","article":"http:\/\/tinyurl.com\/r8dgf \r\n\r\nthis does a search on google - the 7'th hit down ;\r\n\r\n\r\nif you use the google hit TW will be in yellow and it's easyer\/quicker to see it:\r\n\r\n(note all the posts by "pointer" and sheepster agreeing & going along with it)\r\n \r\n\r\nEditorial policy : SF Indymedia Unable to honestly refute what I say, TW resorts to lies, and Indybay facilitates it. Aside from being bad politics and worse journalism, it's puerile. ...\r\n \r\nhttp:\/\/sf.indymedia.org\/news\/2005\/11\/1722251_comment.php\r\n\r\n(the actual thread, non-highlighted, may be "edited\/moderated\/censored" by now - use the google cache above to be sure)\r\n","author":"hex","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 22:13:31","modified":"2006-09-27 22:13:31","fileurl":""},{"id":180005,"heading":"show us EVIDENCE","article":"w\/o your 'interpretations ' [ lying bullshit ]\r\nlike a few quotes to support the crap that comes off your keyboard.\r\nAs usual.","author":"w\/o your 'interpretatioms'","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 22:23:29","modified":"2006-09-27 22:23:29","fileurl":""},{"id":180007,"heading":"a few points","article":"who's "us" ?\r\n\r\nand\r\n\r\nI just did - I'm not going to spam this newswire with the details of the feud - that's "infighting" and off-topic\r\n\r\nyou have the links - use them\r\n\r\nI already quoeted a bit of it (what google shows) - I scanned that thread focusing on the highlighting parts and the whining about TW caught my eye along with "pointer" and your paranoid ranting that these other people *I don't even know* are me\r\n\r\nnone of them have a radio station OR a website - you're also to paranoid to even check it out - USE A PROXY LIKE ANOMYMOUSE that protects your turnkey Linux OS if you're that paranoid\r\n\r\nyou're just using paranoia as an excuse...\r\n\r\nfunny you aren't paranoid about sf-imc\r\n\r\nhmmmmmmmmm\r\n\r\n","author":"hex","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 22:39:29","modified":"2006-09-27 22:39:29","fileurl":""},{"id":180008,"heading":"aas usual, you're full O shit","article":"That's what I thought. No quotes. nothing but your lying crap.\r\nI've decided to cause your accelerated melt down and subsequent self humiliation early in your current flummery.\r\n","author":"and a pathological liar","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-27 22:50:06","modified":"2006-09-27 22:50:06","fileurl":""},{"id":180120,"heading":"hate crimes stats","article":"It's more likely that Jews suffer more hate crimes because:\r\n\r\n1. There are more Jewish institutions with buildings or offices. There are also more long-established anti-Jewish groups (the white supremacist\/white nationalist\/white separatist movement) that have targetted Jews for decades.\r\n\r\n2. Not all people who suffer "anti-Muslim" hate crimes are Muslim. A lot are South Asian or appear to be Middle Eastern.\r\n\r\nFor example, Armenians get called "sand n------" (an anti-Arab slur) by some people, but they are Christians. (In fact, they've been Christians for longer than the people who hate them.) So, this is a group that is being targeted for racist hate, but there's misidentification involved.\r\n\r\nFor example, if a Jewish person were beat up for appearing to be a Middle Eastern Muslim person (suppose they were a Persian Jew or an Arab-appearing Jew), would that be anti-Jewish or anti-Muslim?\r\n\r\nThese are all anti-Arab anti-Muslim hate crimes, but they may not be recorded as such. They may not even be reported!","author":"johnk","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-28 18:32:03","modified":"2006-09-28 18:32:03","fileurl":""},{"id":180136,"heading":"Who is who","article":"" Toady (named for his boot-licking admiration for TW)is a considerable source of white noise around here. In spite of varying offers of F 2 F meetings to dialog , he remains terrified of me. (Of me? Little old me?)and refuses to indentify himself in person."\r\n\r\nBECKY: TW and HEX are two different people. TW is in the SF bay area and gravitated to LA.IMC following Tia, Charismatic MegaFauna, Schtarker Yid, Critical Thinker\/Scapegoated Jew, myself, and perhaps a few others who had been driven away from Indybay by their jackbooted censorship policy. HEX has ONLY been at LA.IMC, has a much less antagonistic writing style, and will admit he is wrong if proof is presented. TW NEVER admits being wrong.\r\n\r\nHEX has a micro-powered radio station and has made contact with at least one member of the Free Radio Santa Cruz Collective. TW has no such talents.\r\n\r\nTia and I are also two different people. Tia is Jewish and I am not. \r\n\r\nAs to Toady's identity? I would say he is NOT Bradley Allen as Bradley uses his real name. However, MATT FITT, who is a super-paranoid FRSC DJ and a former monitor at Santa Cruz Indymedia before it merged with Indybay.org, a super Israel-hater, and prone to repress with his censor button, is probably STILL a monitor, and is leading the list as the prime-Toady suspect.\r\n\r\nFitt is also a photographer of sorts, and TOADY likes to post graphic images a lot. \r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Becky Johnson","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2006-09-28 20:18:08","modified":"2006-09-28 20:18:08","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2006\/09\/matt_fitt_june_12_2005.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2006\/09\/matt_fitt_june_12_2005.jpg"}},{"id":180138,"heading":"What a dumbass you are","article":"Becky Johnson, the fanatic pro-israel propagandist, so concerned with poster's identities (only the posters who criticize israel, of course)\r\nWhat a pathetic oaf you are.\r\nP.S., not Matt Fitt","author":"Wow! Becky's a real journalist-NOT","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-28 20:26:18","modified":"2006-09-28 20:26:18","fileurl":""},{"id":180140,"heading":"SchtarkerYid","article":"No, Becky'sbeen a pure professional throughout. It seems that she doesn't tolerate idiots or liars and so has offended many of our "anti-zionists". If that bothers them they could try both learning a few things and simply not lying. ","author":"No, pure professional","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-28 20:38:23","modified":"2006-09-28 20:38:23","fileurl":""},{"id":180159,"heading":""P.S., not Matt Fitt"","article":"And why should we believe your neo-Nazi word unless you post your ID to this thread, Charlie?\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"just wondering","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-28 21:24:14","modified":"2006-09-28 21:24:14","fileurl":""},{"id":180162,"heading":"Here's a reason","article":"Let's see, maybe...just maybe, skippy, have you ever thought about the fact that when it comes to you (scapegoated zionazi-spammer)believing me.....that I couldn't give a fuck? You are irrelevant, and just plain stupid.\r\nDismissed.\r\nBWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!","author":"Let's see, skippy","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-28 21:31:16","modified":"2006-09-28 21:31:16","fileurl":""},{"id":180170,"heading":"And quit lying about your aliases, fuckwit","article":"And quit lying about your aliases, fuckwit. We know its you, you can lie if you want---really don't care. You truly (no really) are just an irrlevant desperate zionazi spammer of IMC's who will never make a difference.\r\nHey, go ahead and call me Matt, Toady, whatever....either way, indymedia will be a sanctuary for those of us who seek alternatives to the right wing pro-war pro-jizrael media and your efforts to change that will be pathetic exercises in futility.\r\nAt ease, pee-on.\r\n","author":"I don't have to refute it at all, SJ","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-28 21:59:18","modified":"2006-09-28 21:59:18","fileurl":""},{"id":180173,"heading":"Quit lying about your name, fuckwit","article":"You very much have to refute it, Toady. BJ's claim is very logical, makes tons of sense and is evidence based. By contrast, you "knowing" I'm "SJ" is a hilarious evidence-free neo-Nazi joke. I don't lie about my aliases, fuck n' suck bloke. We know its you, you can lie if you want---really don't care. You truly (no really) are just an irrlevant desperate nazi spammer, gatekeeper, troll and censor of IMC's who will never make a difference outside of Indymedia. Hey, I'll go ahead and call you Toady while your actual name I don't know. Go ahead calling me "SJ", whatever....either way, part of indymedia will be a sanctuary for those of us who seek alternatives to the far right wing and left wiing pro-war pro-jizzlaml media and your efforts to change that will be pathetic exercises in futility. \r\nAt ease, pee-on. ","author":"Calling me "SJ" proves your buffoon","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-28 22:06:44","modified":"2006-09-28 22:06:44","fileurl":""},{"id":180176,"heading":"BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHH!!!","article":"That's sooo impressive that you can go back to your default copycatting idiocy....I'm starting to wonder if maybe you are just a child.\r\nHey! I got an idea? Maybe you can go back to your old favorite spam 100+ times per day,(in all caps of course) "Get antisemites off the progessive left!"\r\nThat one was a riot.\r\nToo bad you have been slapped down like a little punk at Indybay, huh?\r\nI know that it burns you up to lose, but, you did.\r\nBWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHA!\r\nPoppa will now give you permission to play in the sandbox for awhile.\r\nDismissed.","author":"Wow, SJ\/autoblocked\/etc., that's creative!","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-28 22:14:13","modified":"2006-09-28 22:14:13","fileurl":""},{"id":180199,"heading":"Or is it shitstain, or scapegoated, or autoblocked, etc. etc.","article":"It makes ya wonder if he's capable of an original thought--you know, one where he didn't copy something someone said verbatim on an IMC somewhere....nah, I'm really begining to wonder if SJ is just a small child in mommy's basement in israel....it would all make sense.","author":"More zionazi creativity from scapegoated nut","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-29 00:12:00","modified":"2006-09-29 00:12:00","fileurl":""},{"id":180209,"heading":"Still don't know Matt","article":"I think I'll keep it.\r\nMaybe you can go back to SJ or shitstain, huh?","author":"I like the name Matt","parent_id":178622,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-09-29 00:34:10","modified":"2006-09-29 00:34:10","fileurl":""}]}