{"article":{"id":175026,"heading":"The Dreaded H-Word","author":"anonymous","created":"2006-08-20 13:06:38","modified":"2013-11-11 00:43:46","last_modified":"Mon, 11 Nov 2013 08:43:46","article":"

The Dreaded H-Word

by Anonymous

Even if the Zionists could prove everything they say about the Holocaust with more than just inconsistent “eye-witness” reports, the Holocaust in no way, shape or form justifies the ethnic-cleansing, apartheid, anti-democratic, terrorist rogue Jewish state of Israel’s crimes against humanity in the Middle East.

While some Jewish individuals and organization whine about what Mel Gibson said in a drunken rant, these same Jewish individuals and organizations put forth racist, war-mongering, pro-Israel propaganda every day in our US media, and support the NeoConservative agenda of endless war on behalf of Israel’s security and racist imperialistic ambitions.

Many of us non-Jews believe that these war-mongering Jews and their non-Jewish lackeys such as Bush and Cheney owe the non-Zionist American people and non-Jewish Middle Eastern people a big hug apology with a major change of behavior to show sincerity.

The US needs to divorce itself at once from the racist, apartheid, ethnic-cleansing, Jewish supremacist state of Israel.

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So many of our fellow citizens are living on the streets in some of the wealthiest areas of America, and no one is doing anything about it.\r\n\r\nIn the town I live in, Santa Cruz, Ca., we have between 1,500 and 2,000 homeless people in a city with a pop. of 54,000.\r\n\r\nAnd we are a wealthy community.\r\n\r\nWendy Campbell could care less about the plight of homeless Americans. But a homeless Palestinian...\r\n\r\nWendy believes that invoking the memory of the systematic genocide of 6 million Jews---along with Roma, the mentally ill, gays, and, yes, homeless people is somehow a crime.\r\n\r\nThe only current relevance the Nazi holocaust has is to remind people the reason that the United Nations passed UN resolution 181 which partitioned what was left of Palestine into a Jewish State and an Islamic state.\r\n\r\nAnd to use it as a warning should another entity arise which believes its okay to genocide an entire people.\r\n\r\nNever Again! should apply to all and not just to the Jews.\r\n\r\nCampbell likes to invoke Nazi imagery more frequently than most Jews---however she prefers to do it as an insult to the Jewish people. \r\n\r\nI also disagree with her premise that if Jews simply say the word "holocaust" any person with a gripe against Israel is put in their place. I don't see this phenomenon occurring locally or abroad. If anything, I see people like Campbell who think its perfectly acceptable to compare Jews and Israel to Hitler and Nazi Germany.\r\n\r\nA comparison that is false, hurtful, painful, and malicious towards the people whose family members were consumed in the Nazi ovens.\r\n","author":"Becky Johnson","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-21 18:18:09","modified":"2006-08-21 18:18:09","fileurl":""},{"id":175196,"heading":"Israel used cluster munitions in their terror campaign on Lebanon","article":"HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH\r\nIsraeli Cluster Munitions Hit Civilians in Lebanon\r\nIsrael Must Not Use Indiscriminate Weapons\r\n\r\n(Beirut, July 24, 2006) \u2013 Israel has used artillery-fired cluster munitions in populated areas of Lebanon, Human Rights Watch said today. Researchers on the ground in Lebanon confirmed that a cluster munitions attack on the village of Blida on July 19 killed one and wounded at least 12 civilians, including seven children. Human Rights Watch researchers also photographed cluster munitions in the arsenal of Israeli artillery teams on the Israel-Lebanon border.\r\n\u201cCluster munitions are unacceptably inaccurate and unreliable weapons when used around civilians,\u201d said Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch. \u201cThey should never be used in populated areas.\u201d \r\n \r\nAccording to eyewitnesses and survivors of the attack interviewed by Human Rights Watch, Israel fired several artillery-fired cluster munitions at Blida around 3 p.m. on July 19. The witnesses described how the artillery shells dropped hundreds of cluster submunitions on the village. They clearly described the submunitions as smaller projectiles that emerged from their larger shells. \r\n \r\nThe cluster attack killed 60-year-old Maryam Ibrahim inside her home. At least two submunitions from the attack entered the basement that the Ali family was using as a shelter, wounding 12 persons, including seven children. Ahmed Ali, a 45-year-old taxi driver and head of the family, lost both legs from injuries caused by the cluster munitions. Five of his children were wounded: Mira, 16; Fatima, 12; \u2018Ali, 10; Aya, 3; and `Ola, 1. His wife Akram Ibrahim, 35, and his mother-in-law `Ola Musa, 80, were also wounded. Four relatives, all German-Lebanese dual nationals sheltering with the family, were wounded as well: Mohammed Ibrahim, 45; his wife Fatima, 40; and their children \u2018Ali, 16, and Rula, 13. \r\n \r\nHuman Rights Watch researchers photographed artillery-delivered cluster munitions among the arsenal of Israel Defense Forces (IDF) artillery teams stationed on the Israeli-Lebanese border during a research visit on July 23. The photographs show M483A1 Dual Purpose Improved Conventional Munitions, which are U.S.-produced and -supplied, artillery-delivered cluster munitions. The photographs contain the distinctive marks of such cluster munitions, including a diamond-shaped stamp, and a shape that is longer than ordinary artillery, according to a retired IDF commander who asked not to be identified. \r\n \r\n\r\nPallets of 155mm artillery projectiles including DPICM cluster munitions (center and right with yellow diamonds) in the arsenal of an IDF artillery unit on July 23 in northern Israel. Each DPICM shell contains 88 sub-munitions, which have a dud rate of up to 14 percent. \u00a9 Human Rights Watch 2006\r\n \r\n \r\n\r\nClose-up of a M483A1 DPICM artillery-delivered cluster munition present in the arsenal of an IDF unit in northern Israel. \u00a9 Human Rights Watch 2006\r\n \r\n \r\nThe M483A1 artillery shells deliver 88 cluster submunitions per shell, and have an unacceptably high failure rate (dud rate) of 14 percent, leaving behind a serious unexploded ordnance problem that will further endanger civilians. The commander said that the IDF\u2019s operations manual warns soldiers that the use of such cluster munitions creates dangerous minefields due to the high dud rate.\r\n \r\n \r\nLebanese security forces, who to date have not engaged in the fighting between Israel and Hezbollah, also accused Israel of using cluster munitions in its attacks on Blida and other Lebanese border villages. These sources also indicated they have evidence that Israel used cluster munitions earlier this year during fighting with Hezbollah around the contested Shebaa Farms area. Human Rights Watch is continuing to investigate these additional allegations. \r\n \r\nHuman Rights Watch believes that the use of cluster munitions in populated areas may violate the prohibition on indiscriminate attacks contained in international humanitarian law. The wide dispersal pattern of their submunitions makes it very difficult to avoid civilian casualties if civilians are in the area. Moreover, because of their high failure rate, cluster munitions leave large numbers of hazardous, explosive duds that injure and kill civilians even after the attack is over. Human Rights Watch believes that cluster munitions should never be used, even away from civilians, unless their dud rate is less than 1 percent. \r\n \r\nHuman Rights Watch conducted detailed analyses of the U.S. military\u2019s use of cluster bombs in the 1999 Yugoslavia war, the 2001-2002 Afghanistan war, and the 2003 Iraq war. Human Rights Watch research established that the use of cluster munitions in populated areas in Iraq caused more civilian casualties than any other factor in the U.S.-led coalition\u2019s conduct of major military operations in March and April 2003, killing and wounding more than 1,000 Iraqi civilians. Roughly a quarter of the 500 civilian deaths caused by NATO bombing in the 1999 Yugoslavia war were also due to cluster munitions. \r\n \r\n\u201cOur research in Iraq and Kosovo shows that cluster munitions cannot be used in populated areas without huge loss of civilian life,\u201d Roth said. \u201cIsrael must stop using cluster bombs in Lebanon at once.\u201d \r\n \r\nHuman Rights Watch called upon the Israel Defense Forces to immediately cease the use of indiscriminate weapons like cluster munitions in Lebanon. \r\n \r\nBackground \r\n \r\nIsrael used cluster munitions in Lebanon in 1978 and in the 1980s. At that time, the United States placed restrictions on their use and then a moratorium on the transfer of cluster munitions to Israel out of concern for civilian casualties. Those weapons used more than two decades ago continue to affect Lebanon. \r\n \r\nIsrael has in its arsenal cluster munitions delivered by aircraft, artillery and rockets. Israel is a major producer and exporter of cluster munitions, primarily artillery projectiles and rockets containing M85 DPICM (Dual Purpose Improved Conventional Munition) submunitions. Israeli Military Industries, an Israeli government-owned weapons manufacturer, has reportedly produced more than 60 million M85 DPICM submunitions. Israel also produces at least six different types of air-dropped cluster bombs, and has imported from the United States M26 rockets for its Multiple Launch Rocket Systems. \r\n \r\nThere is growing international momentum to stop the use of cluster munitions. Belgium became the first country to ban cluster munitions in February 2006, and Norway announced a moratorium on the weapon in June 2006. Cluster munitions are increasingly the focus of discussion at the meetings of the Convention on Conventional Weapons, with ever more states calling for a new international instrument dealing with cluster munitions. \r\n \r\nHuman Rights Watch is a founding member, and a steering committee member, of the Cluster Munition Coalition: www.stopclustermunitions.org. \r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Gabe Gershom","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-21 21:31:57","modified":"2013-11-11 00:43:47","fileurl":""},{"id":175197,"heading":"MOre on Israeli Terror","article":"Check it.\r\nhttp:\/\/yalibnan.com\/site\/archives\/2006\/08\/israel_asks_us.php\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.iht.com\/articles\/2006\/08\/11\/news\/cluster.php\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/select.nytimes.com\/gst\/abstract.html?res=FB0C15FD3D5A0C728DDDA10894DE404482\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.smh.com.au\/news\/world\/israel-asks-us-for-more-cluster-weapons\/2006\/08\/11\/1154803102480.html\r\n\r\nYeah, I'm sure we can trust Israel to investigate itself and take their word for it.....LOL!","author":"Shime on Ben Kosiba","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-21 21:35:35","modified":"2006-08-21 21:35:35","fileurl":""},{"id":175249,"heading":"proof?","article":"when the proof is brought up I'm sure you'll deny it anyway.\r\nOr justify it.","author":"Dan Kool","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-22 15:13:05","modified":"2006-08-22 15:13:05","fileurl":""},{"id":175306,"heading":"Israel and their cluster munitions, some documented proof","article":"Check it.\r\nhttp:\/\/yalibnan.com\/site\/archives\/2006\/08\/israel_asks_us.php\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.iht.com\/articles\/2006\/08\/11\/news\/cluster.php\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/select.nytimes.com\/gst\/abstract.html?res=FB0C15FD3D5A0C728DDDA10894DE404482\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.smh.com.au\/news\/world\/israel-asks-us-for-more-cluster-weapons\/2006\/08\/11\/1154803102480.html\r\n\r\nYeah, I'm sure we can trust Israel to investigate itself and take their word for it.....","author":"Danus","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-22 20:57:01","modified":"2006-08-22 20:57:01","fileurl":""},{"id":175336,"heading":"Slow for skippy","article":"HUMAN RIGHTS WATCH\r\nIsraeli Cluster Munitions Hit Civilians in Lebanon\r\nIsrael Must Not Use Indiscriminate Weapons\r\n\r\n(Beirut, July 24, 2006) \u2013 Israel has used artillery-fired cluster munitions in populated areas of Lebanon, Human Rights Watch said today. Researchers on the ground in Lebanon confirmed that a cluster munitions attack on the village of Blida on July 19 killed one and wounded at least 12 civilians, including seven children. Human Rights Watch researchers also photographed cluster munitions in the arsenal of Israeli artillery teams on the Israel-Lebanon border.\r\n\u201cCluster munitions are unacceptably inaccurate and unreliable weapons when used around civilians,\u201d said Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch. \u201cThey should never be used in populated areas.\u201d \r\n \r\nAccording to eyewitnesses and survivors of the attack interviewed by Human Rights Watch, Israel fired several artillery-fired cluster munitions at Blida around 3 p.m. on July 19. The witnesses described how the artillery shells dropped hundreds of cluster submunitions on the village. They clearly described the submunitions as smaller projectiles that emerged from their larger shells. \r\n \r\nThe cluster attack killed 60-year-old Maryam Ibrahim inside her home. At least two submunitions from the attack entered the basement that the Ali family was using as a shelter, wounding 12 persons, including seven children. Ahmed Ali, a 45-year-old taxi driver and head of the family, lost both legs from injuries caused by the cluster munitions. Five of his children were wounded: Mira, 16; Fatima, 12; \u2018Ali, 10; Aya, 3; and `Ola, 1. His wife Akram Ibrahim, 35, and his mother-in-law `Ola Musa, 80, were also wounded. Four relatives, all German-Lebanese dual nationals sheltering with the family, were wounded as well: Mohammed Ibrahim, 45; his wife Fatima, 40; and their children \u2018Ali, 16, and Rula, 13. \r\n \r\nHuman Rights Watch researchers photographed artillery-delivered cluster munitions among the arsenal of Israel Defense Forces (IDF) artillery teams stationed on the Israeli-Lebanese border during a research visit on July 23. The photographs show M483A1 Dual Purpose Improved Conventional Munitions, which are U.S.-produced and -supplied, artillery-delivered cluster munitions. The photographs contain the distinctive marks of such cluster munitions, including a diamond-shaped stamp, and a shape that is longer than ordinary artillery, according to a retired IDF commander who asked not to be identified. \r\n \r\n\r\nPallets of 155mm artillery projectiles including DPICM cluster munitions (center and right with yellow diamonds) in the arsenal of an IDF artillery unit on July 23 in northern Israel. Each DPICM shell contains 88 sub-munitions, which have a dud rate of up to 14 percent. \u00a9 Human Rights Watch 2006\r\n \r\n \r\n\r\nClose-up of a M483A1 DPICM artillery-delivered cluster munition present in the arsenal of an IDF unit in northern Israel. \u00a9 Human Rights Watch 2006\r\n \r\n \r\nThe M483A1 artillery shells deliver 88 cluster submunitions per shell, and have an unacceptably high failure rate (dud rate) of 14 percent, leaving behind a serious unexploded ordnance problem that will further endanger civilians. The commander said that the IDF\u2019s operations manual warns soldiers that the use of such cluster munitions creates dangerous minefields due to the high dud rate.\r\n \r\n \r\nLebanese security forces, who to date have not engaged in the fighting between Israel and Hezbollah, also accused Israel of using cluster munitions in its attacks on Blida and other Lebanese border villages. These sources also indicated they have evidence that Israel used cluster munitions earlier this year during fighting with Hezbollah around the contested Shebaa Farms area. Human Rights Watch is continuing to investigate these additional allegations. \r\n \r\nHuman Rights Watch believes that the use of cluster munitions in populated areas may violate the prohibition on indiscriminate attacks contained in international humanitarian law. The wide dispersal pattern of their submunitions makes it very difficult to avoid civilian casualties if civilians are in the area. Moreover, because of their high failure rate, cluster munitions leave large numbers of hazardous, explosive duds that injure and kill civilians even after the attack is over. Human Rights Watch believes that cluster munitions should never be used, even away from civilians, unless their dud rate is less than 1 percent. \r\n \r\nHuman Rights Watch conducted detailed analyses of the U.S. military\u2019s use of cluster bombs in the 1999 Yugoslavia war, the 2001-2002 Afghanistan war, and the 2003 Iraq war. Human Rights Watch research established that the use of cluster munitions in populated areas in Iraq caused more civilian casualties than any other factor in the U.S.-led coalition\u2019s conduct of major military operations in March and April 2003, killing and wounding more than 1,000 Iraqi civilians. Roughly a quarter of the 500 civilian deaths caused by NATO bombing in the 1999 Yugoslavia war were also due to cluster munitions. \r\n \r\n\u201cOur research in Iraq and Kosovo shows that cluster munitions cannot be used in populated areas without huge loss of civilian life,\u201d Roth said. \u201cIsrael must stop using cluster bombs in Lebanon at once.\u201d \r\n \r\nHuman Rights Watch called upon the Israel Defense Forces to immediately cease the use of indiscriminate weapons like cluster munitions in Lebanon. \r\n \r\nBackground \r\n \r\nIsrael used cluster munitions in Lebanon in 1978 and in the 1980s. At that time, the United States placed restrictions on their use and then a moratorium on the transfer of cluster munitions to Israel out of concern for civilian casualties. Those weapons used more than two decades ago continue to affect Lebanon. \r\n \r\nIsrael has in its arsenal cluster munitions delivered by aircraft, artillery and rockets. Israel is a major producer and exporter of cluster munitions, primarily artillery projectiles and rockets containing M85 DPICM (Dual Purpose Improved Conventional Munition) submunitions. Israeli Military Industries, an Israeli government-owned weapons manufacturer, has reportedly produced more than 60 million M85 DPICM submunitions. Israel also produces at least six different types of air-dropped cluster bombs, and has imported from the United States M26 rockets for its Multiple Launch Rocket Systems. \r\n \r\nThere is growing international momentum to stop the use of cluster munitions. Belgium became the first country to ban cluster munitions in February 2006, and Norway announced a moratorium on the weapon in June 2006. Cluster munitions are increasingly the focus of discussion at the meetings of the Convention on Conventional Weapons, with ever more states calling for a new international instrument dealing with cluster munitions. \r\n \r\nHuman Rights Watch is a founding member, and a steering committee member, of the Cluster Munition Coalition: www.stopclustermunitions.org. \r\n\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/hrw.org\/english\/docs\/2006\/07\/24\/isrlpa13798_txt.htm\r\n","author":"The resistance thanks you Israel","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-22 22:46:46","modified":"2013-11-11 00:43:48","fileurl":""},{"id":175441,"heading":"don't make much sense","article":"You parrot 'bot zionazis can't seem to come up with anything on your own.\r\nExcept, of course, the usual lies.","author":"but what do you expect?","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-23 20:59:23","modified":"2006-08-23 20:59:23","fileurl":""},{"id":175451,"heading":"hey JA! didn't u mean "*smoooshed* like a couple o' COCKROACHES"? ...haha!","article":""OH I *FORGOT*!: **TWO** OF THOSE IDF SOLDIERS WERE *SMOOOSHED* BY THEIR OWN TANKS!!!"","author":"go JA\/hezbollah!","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-23 21:50:41","modified":"2006-08-23 21:50:41","fileurl":""},{"id":175456,"heading":"I HEARD ISRAEL SAID THAT THEY COMPLETELY WIPED OUT HEZBOLLAH!!","article":"HA-HA-HA---HA-HA-HA---HA-HA-HA!!!\r\n\r\nALL *HAIL* THE 'VAUNTED' ISRAELI MILITARY!!!\r\n\r\n\r\n(ROTFLMGDFAO!!!)","author":"the 'VAUNTED' Israeli military!!","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-23 22:06:50","modified":"2006-08-23 22:06:50","fileurl":""},{"id":175460,"heading":"10 REAONS WHY ISRAEL LOST (and it *STILL* doesn't have its captured soldiers back!):","article":"ISRAEL'S STATED OBJECTIVES: \r\n\r\n\r\n1. the _ORIGINAL_ stated objective: get back their two soldiers from Hezbollah (captured in Lebanese territory at that) through military action. \r\n\r\nISRAEL LOST \r\n\r\n\r\n2. alienate Hezbollah from the majority of other Lebanese. \r\n\r\nISRAEL LOST \r\n\r\n\r\n3. by targeting and bombing Lebanese civilians and destroying Lebanon's civilian infrastructure, to get the Lebanese to force Hezbollah to give up. \r\n\r\nISRAEL LOST \r\n\r\n\r\n(by the way, I thought that Israel, the U.S., the West said that the targeting of civilians or civilian infrastructure for the purpose of forcing a politcal goal is defined as "terrorism".) \r\n\r\n\r\n4. destroy Hezbollah's weapons. \r\n\r\nISRAEL LOST \r\n\r\n\r\n(some of Hezbollah's largest retaliatory rocket barrages were on the last days of the war and Hezbollah stood fast in combat against the IDF, inflicting serious casualties and even tank losses, 'till the end\/cease-fire.) \r\n\r\n\r\n5. defeat and destroy Hezbollah. \r\n\r\nISRAEL LOST \r\n\r\n\r\n6. push and occupy Lebanon to the Litani River (no doubt in an attempt to then annex all of south Lebanon as part of Israel, like Israel has with the Golan heights). \r\n\r\nISRAEL LOST \r\n\r\n\r\n7. increase\/sustain its vaunted military credibility (to intimidate others) in the region \r\n\r\nISRAEL LOST \r\n\r\n\r\n(Now the region, and the world, knows that Israel is only good at attacking defenseless women and children, stone-throwing boys, and fairly unarmed Palestinian men.) \r\n\r\n\r\n8. gonna teach Hezbollah a lesson \r\n\r\nISRAEL LOST \r\n\r\n\r\n(no, Hezbollah taught _Israel_ a lesson.) \r\n\r\n\r\n9. have the people of the world on their side. \r\n\r\nISRAEL LOST -- BIG TIME! \r\n\r\n(People all over the world were demonstrating against Israel!)\r\n\r\n\r\n10. Israel met _NONE_ of its military objectives in its war on Lebanon. \r\n\r\n\r\nWas Israel better off or worse off than before its invasion? \r\n\r\nWORSE. \r\n\r\n\r\nAnd Israel ***STILL*** doesn't have its 2 captured IDF soldiers back. \r\n","author":"All *HAIL* the 'VAUNTED' Israeli military!!","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-23 22:18:43","modified":"2006-08-23 22:18:43","fileurl":""},{"id":175462,"heading":""Why Israel lost": a not so objective and truthful analysis","article":"1. the _ORIGINAL_ stated objective: get back their two soldiers from Hezbollah through military action. \r\n\r\nISRAEL LOST -- TRUE. \r\n\r\n"[The] two [Israeli] soldiers [were] captured in Lebanese territory at that" -- A TRANSPARENT LIE. They were captured within Israel in a cross border raid. \r\n\r\n\r\n2. alienate Hezbollah from other Lebanese. \r\n\r\nISRAEL LOST -- TRUE, but this was not a stated or planned goal. \r\n\r\n\r\n3. by targeting and bombing Lebanese civilians and destroying Lebanon's civilian infrastructure, to get the Lebanese to force Hezbollah to give up. \r\n\r\nThis is a LIE. ISRAEL DID NOT TARGET AND BOMB NON-COMBATANT LEBANESE CIVILIANS, NOR DID IT DESTROY MOST OF THE LEBANESE INFRASTRUCTURE. \r\n\r\n\r\n4. destroy Hezbollah's weapons. \r\n\r\nISRAEL LOST - TRUE, Hizbollah has managed to retain most of its arsenal, though this wasn't a stated nor planned goal of Israel. \r\n\r\n\r\n5. defeat and destroy Hezbollah. \r\n\r\nISRAEL LOST -- TRUE, though this wasn't a stated nor planned goal of Israel. \r\n\r\n\r\n6. "push and occupy Lebanon to the Litani River (no doubt in an attempt to then annex all of south Lebanon as part of Israel, like Israel has with the Golan heights). " \r\n\r\nISRAEL LOST -- A BOLD FACE LIE, these were never stated goals nor planned goals. \r\n\r\n\r\n7. increase\/sustain its vaunted military credibility (to intimidate others) in the region \r\n\r\nISRAEL LOST -- WRONG. Israel has resurrected *some* of its military detterence. Now, unlike in the pre-war situation, Hizballah at least will think a bit about the consequences before trying to conduct cross border raids into Israel or firing missiles on Israeli territory. \r\n\r\n\r\n"(Now the region, and the world, knows that Israel is only good at attacking defenseless women and children, stone-throwing boys, and fairly unarmed Palestinian men.) " \r\n\r\nKeep saying whatever helps you remain an apologist for arch-racist Islamofascism and genocide as you kid yourself your moral compass is in order. \r\n\r\n\r\n8. "have the people of the world on their side. " \r\n\r\nThis was never a stated goals nor a planned goal. It was hoped to be achieved as secondery or concurrent gain as the skirmishes raged. \r\n\r\n\r\n"Was Israel better off or worse off than before its invasion? " \r\n\r\nWORSE -- this is probably true. \r\n\r\nExpect an upcoming political earthquake in Israel in the next months. Don't be astounded if Ehud Olmert, defense minister Amir Peretz and Chief of Staff Dan Halutz are forced out of office. ","author":"All *hail* the 'vaunted' Hizbollah!!","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-23 22:25:40","modified":"2006-08-23 22:25:40","fileurl":""},{"id":175463,"heading":"WORLWIDE Protests Against Israel in Lebanon:","article":"(photos from just a _few_ of the MANY protests) \r\n\r\nwww.indymedia.org.uk\/en\/2...47004.html \r\n\r\nwww.indymedia.org.uk\/en\/2...45845.html \r\n\r\nwww.indymedia.org.uk\/en\/2...46973.html \r\n\r\nwww.indymedia.org.uk\/en\/2...45812.html \r\n\r\nwww.indymedia.org.uk\/en\/2...n#comments\r\n\r\n\r\nsydney.indymedia.org\/node\/37881 \r\n\r\nmelbourne.indymedia.org\/n...117451.php \r\n\r\nsouthafrica.indymedia.org...\/10844.php \r\n\r\nitaly.indymedia.org \r\n\r\nwww.indymedia.ie\/article\/77505 \r\n\r\nscotland.indymedia.org\/ne...\/index.php \r\n\r\nmadrid.indymedia.org \r\n\r\nmelbourne.indymedia.org\r\n\r\n\r\n___________________________________________\r\n\r\nGandhi: "Zionism would be a crime against humanity."","author":"Israel: a crime against humanity","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-23 22:26:33","modified":"2006-08-23 22:26:33","fileurl":""},{"id":175464,"heading":"I guess that Israel didn't "plan" on *winning* either! HA-HA-HA...!!","article":"Zionist: "were never stated goals nor planned goals"\r\n\r\nAnd I guess that Israel didn't "plan" on getting its 2 captured soldiers back either! -- except in a prisoner swap, just like Nasrallah said -- *before* Israel's air war and invasion -- when he said that, "NO Israeli military operation will get its soldiers back."\r\n\r\n\r\nQuestion: "Was Israel better off or worse off than before its invasion? " \r\n\r\nZionist: WORSE -- this is probably true. \r\n\r\nWell, that's what *Israeli* polls say that most *Israelis* admit too.\r\n\r\nAnd *that's* the BOTTOM LINE.","author":"All *HAIL* the 'VAUNTED' Israeli military!!","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-23 22:34:10","modified":"2006-08-23 22:34:10","fileurl":""},{"id":175466,"heading":"blatant provocation against Israeli'","article":"like when israeli commandos sneak into Lebanon to do something smutish and get killed or captured.\r\n","author":"oh, you mean...","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-23 22:50:54","modified":"2006-08-23 22:50:54","fileurl":""},{"id":175468,"heading":"btw, *whatever* happened to those 2 Israeli soldiers that Hezbollah captured?","article":"You know, the 2 IDF soldiers that Israel said it would *crush* Hezbollah to get back!?\r\n\r\n\r\nZionist: "I guess that Hizbollah didn't "plan" on getting *smitten* either! HA-HA-HA...!!"\r\n\r\n"smitten"???? You better go back and look up your English word usage. The literal translation is not quite how the word is used anymore. Where did you learn to speak English?\r\n\r\nHA-HA-HA...!!","author":"All *HAIL* the 'VAUNTED' Israeli military!!","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-23 23:00:51","modified":"2006-08-23 23:00:51","fileurl":""},{"id":175469,"heading":"ha ha ha","article":"that's the ticket.\r\n"resist by firing volleys of Katyushas into Israel"\r\nYes we know you feel that resistance to israeli terror is 'goosestepping' but if you are talking about incineration, you are discussing israeli napalm.","author":"Yup","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-23 23:03:05","modified":"2006-08-23 23:03:05","fileurl":""},{"id":175471,"heading":"btw, Hassan Nasrallah is still standing proudly.","article":"Not so sure about Olmert, Halut and Peretz. \r\n\r\nHA-HA-HA!!","author":"All *HAIL* the 'VAUNTED' Israeli military!!","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-23 23:16:30","modified":"2006-08-23 23:16:30","fileurl":""},{"id":175478,"heading":"protests","article":"WORLWIDE Protests Against Israel in Lebanon:\r\nby Israel: a crime against humanity Tuesday, Aug. 22, 2006 at 6:26 PM \r\n\r\nAnd so few people showed up- 300 in San Diego, 2,000 in San Diego, 500 in New York- in many locations, the counterprotests were larger!\r\n\r\nSf's ANSWER described their rally a the biggest in America- and it left them 22K in the hole.\r\n\r\nIf it weren't for 25 buses from Michigan, the DC event would have been a no-show as well.\r\n\r\nSupport fro Hizzbollah isn't as widespread as you'd have us think.\r\nMore people show up to protest battery cages for hens, locally. More people care about chickens than terrorists. I know I do.","author":"so what?","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-23 23:48:08","modified":"2006-08-23 23:48:08","fileurl":""},{"id":175481,"heading":"what?","article":"what are you babbling about? You do even know?You make pronouncements you cannot support and go of into some kind of fugue about the commandos who were captured in Lebanon, forgetting that you couldn't back it up.\r\nI'm beginning to feel pity for you and your mental challenges.\r\nBut you do like chickens.","author":"come on, judasgoat","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-24 00:02:00","modified":"2006-08-24 00:02:00","fileurl":""},{"id":175485,"heading":"chickens","article":"If you say so.\r\nI should know not to argue with a lunatic.\r\nAs anyone can see, it upsets them causing them to make pronouncements that they cannot support.\r\nBut why try to convince you when you can convince yourself of all kinds of unsupportable nonsense...","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-24 00:22:17","modified":"2006-08-24 00:22:17","fileurl":""},{"id":175501,"heading":""*LIONS*"...!??? MORE LIKE PUSSYCATS!! -- HA-HA-HA--HA-HA-HA...!!","article":"CHICKENHAWK ZIOPATH: "Those IDF combat lions..."","author":"ALL *HAIL* THE 'VAUNTED' ISRAELI MILITARY!","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-24 02:57:34","modified":"2006-08-24 02:57:34","fileurl":""},{"id":175512,"heading":"Impartial","article":"\r\n-- AND THE ZIOPATHS WERE ALL **WHITE**(-SUPREMACISTS)...\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nNo the case. I can speak for San Francisco, because I was there. We had a beautiful mix of people of all colors and ethnic origins, and sexual orientations. Quite polyglot. \r\n Perhaps most moving were the Asian tourists who stumbled into the protest, and who slipped me a twenty dollar bill, asking me to make sure it got to Israel somehow.\r\nWe have Arabs on our side too- thats how we know what was being said about us! They did simultaneous translation!","author":"observer","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-24 12:19:24","modified":"2006-08-24 12:19:24","fileurl":""},{"id":175515,"heading":"No surprise","article":""Israeli refuseniks who said that they *HATE* the 'brave'-talking *CHICKENHAWK* Zionists in the U.S. that have never fought in a war." \r\n\r\nNo surprise there. They're a subset of Americans, none of whom have EVER witnessed the hell-spawned monster that is a modern mechanized army devouring our homes, families, communities, societies, which makes us pretty demented about it all. US ziopaths make political hay of the travails of past generations of Jews as if they too were present as victims, but this is obviously not the same. \r\n\r\nBy contrast, the trauma Russia experienced within living memory was staggering. The 'Plain of Mars' outside Leningrad is a grid of mass graves, 600 bodies per square, that stretches to the horizon. Russians to this day react to the prospect of war with mortal terror. No American can relate to this, which means Russians are sane in a way we're not. It makes this country's role in the Cold War all the more merciless. \r\n\r\nPerhaps if Americans identified in this way with the experience of average Iraqis over the past 15 years, and then looked anew at this government's plainly sociopathic reasons for doing all that, they could muster the will to do the right thing -- force this government to cease and desist -- and in this way validate everything they claim about themselves. \r\n\r\nIt doesn't seem like the same can be said of US ziopaths. Their received conditioned hatred for Arabs is too pure. No matter what you revealed to them about the current Palestinian experience or how you revealed it -- even if you could immerse them 24-7 in their day-to-day experience -- I don't think they'd ever turn the eye of justice back on themselves, living their soft lives over here on the other side of the planet. They're the most merciless and morally insane Americans of all. ","author":"TW","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-24 12:45:47","modified":"2006-08-24 12:45:47","fileurl":""},{"id":175517,"heading":"Oh Plllllllleeeaaaaassssse!","article":"are you serious?\r\n-no Zionist poster has ever expressed hatred for Islam,= a huge lie as there is nothing but hatred for Islam.\r\nAll one has to do is read any thread about Israel and anti -Islamic comments abound from the resident Zionist trolls.","author":"got to be kidding","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-24 13:01:14","modified":"2006-08-24 13:01:14","fileurl":""},{"id":175543,"heading":"Who won?","article":"I don't think anyone "won" this war. It was battled to a stalemate with much of Hezbollah's infrastructure destroyed and between 550 and 1500 Hezbollah fighters killed. (1st source is the IDF, 2nd source is a French-language Lebanese newspaper).\r\n\r\nHezbollah's militia has not been disarmed. The Lebanese army still does not control the southern third of their owncountry. UN forces remain a joke.\r\n\r\nIsrael suffered tremendous losses too. 6,000 Israeli homes were damaged or destroyed by Hezbollah's rockets. Tourism came to a standstill, which hurts the economies of both Israel and Lebanon.\r\n\r\n43 civilians and 116 IDF soldiers were killed.\r\n\r\n4,262 Israelis were wounded.\r\n300,000 were forced to flee their homes\r\n1 million Israelis were forced to spend more than a month in bomb shelters\r\none-third of the Israeli population had to live under the threat of rocket fire\r\nestimated losses to Israel are $1.4 billion\r\nOver 350 fires were set by Hezbollah rockets--damaging the environment where it's estimated it will take 4 decades to recover\r\n\r\n5% of Beirut was destroyed ---all Hezbollah strongholds\r\nand oil spill from an IDF bombing damaged Beirut's beaches\r\nRoads and bridges were damaged or destroyed\r\nA power plant was damaged\r\n\r\n\r\nBetween 700 and over 1,000 Lebanese were killed\r\n(1st source: IDF 2nd source: Lebanese Red Cross)\r\n\r\nWho lost? The civilized world lost. The economies of Israel and Lebanon lost. Families on both sides of the border lost. The environment lost. Any sense of security or safety for the Israeli and the Lebanese people has been lost.\r\nHopes for a peaceful mideast lost.\r\n\r\nON ANOTHER TOPIC:\r\n\r\nI was a homeless advocate long before I joined Dafka.\r\nThe first article I wrote on the Israeli\/Palestinian conflict was in August 2001, just days before Sept. 11th.\r\n\r\nI began writing for Street Spirit in 1996. Since JA and Jefferey Blankfort engineered getting me fired, not a single article on homelessness in Santa Cruz had been published in Street Spirit. Good work JA and Jeff!!! You have assured that the homeless of Santa Cruz have one less voice speaking out for them.\r\n\r\nI am also not right-wing in any way. I do not support the Bush administration and was one of the organizers of an anti-war protest in March of 2003. (google "Sex for Peace")\r\nOn right-wing issues: abortion, prayer in schools, gay marriage, the Patriot Act, the Iraq war, stem-cell research I am decidedly a leftist.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Becky Johnson","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-24 13:58:05","modified":"2006-08-24 13:58:05","fileurl":""},{"id":175584,"heading":"Now WHAT Jewish terrorist state does that remind everyone of?:","article":"SchtarkRavingYidiot (Aug. 23 at 10:51 AM): "terrorists are those who use violence against civilians in an effort to create fear"","author":"Israel: a crime against humanity since 1948","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-24 15:46:27","modified":"2006-08-24 15:46:27","fileurl":""},{"id":175587,"heading":""terrorists are those who use violence against civilians in an effort to create fear&","article":"For example:\r\n\r\nSee:\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.deiryassin.org\/mas.html\r\n\r\n(snip)\r\n\r\nEarly in the morning of Friday, April 9, 1948, commandos of the Irgun, headed by Menachem Begin, and the Stern Gang attacked Deir Yassin, a village with about 750 Palestinian residents. It was several weeks before the end of the British Mandate. The village lay outside of the area that the United Nations recommended be included in a future Jewish State. Deir Yassin had a peaceful reputation and was even said by a Jewish newspaper to have driven out some Arab militants. But it was located on high ground in the corridor between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem and one plan, kept secret until years afterwards, called for it to be destroyed and the residents evacuated to make way for a small airfield that would supply the beleaguered Jewish residents of Jerusalem.\r\n\r\nBy noon over 100 people, half of them women and children, had been systematically murdered. Four commandos died at the hands of resisting Palestinians using old Mausers and muskets. Twenty-five male villagers were loaded into trucks, paraded through the Zakhron Yosef quarter in Jerusalem, and then taken to a stone quarry along the road between Givat Shaul and Deir Yassin and shot to death. The remaining residents were driven to Arab East Jerusalem.\r\n\r\nThat evening the Irgunists and the Sternists escorted a party of foreign correspondents to a house at Givat Shaul, a nearby Jewish settlement founded in 1906. Over tea and cookies they amplified the details of the operation and justified it, saying Deir Yassin had become a concentration point for Arabs, including Syrians and Iraqis, planning to attack the western suburbs of Jerusalem. They said that 25 members of the Haganah militia had reinforced the attack and claimed that an Arabic-speaking Jew had warned the villagers over a loudspeaker from an armored car. This was duly reported in The New York Times on April 10.\r\n\r\nA final body count of 254 was reported by The New York Times on April 13, a day after they were finally buried. By then the leaders of the Haganah had distanced themselves from having participated in the attack and issued a statement denouncing the dissidents of Irgun and the Stern Gang, just as they had after the attack on the King David Hotel in July 1946. A 1987 study undertaken by Birzeit University's Center for Research and Documentation of Palestinian Society found "the numbers of those killed does not exceed 120".\r\n\r\nThe Haganah leaders admitted that the massacre "disgraced the cause of Jewish fighters and dishonored Jewish arms and the Jewish flag." They played down the fact that their militia had reinforced the terrorists' attack, even though they did not participate in the barbarism and looting during the subsequent "mopping up" operations.\r\n\r\nThey also played down the fact that, in Begin's words, "Deir Yassin was captured with the knowledge of the Haganah and with the approval of its commander" as a part of its "plan for establishing an airfield."\r\n\r\nBen Gurion even sent an apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. But this horrific act served the future State of Israel well. According to Begin, \u201cArabs throughout the country, induced to believe wild tales of \u2018Irgun butchery,\u2019 were seized with limitless panic and started to flee for their lives. This mass flight soon developed into a maddened, uncontrollable stampede. The political and economic significance of this development can hardly be overestimated.\u201d\r\n\r\n(snip)\r\n\r\nOf about 144 houses, 10 were dynamited. The cemetery was later bulldozed and, like hundreds of other Palestinian villages to follow, Deir Yassin was wiped off the map. By September, Orthodox Jewish immigrants from Poland, Rumania, and Slovakia were settled there over the objections of Martin Buber, Cecil Roth and other Jewish leaders, who believed that the site of the massacre should be left uninhabited. The center of the village was renamed Givat Shaul Bet. As Jerusalem expanded, the land of Deir Yassin became part of the city and is now known simply as the area between Givat Shaul and the settlement of Har Nof on the western slopes of the mountain.\r\n\r\nThe massacre of Palestinians at Deir Yassin is one of the most significant events in 20th-century Palestinian and Israeli history. This is not because of its size or its brutality, but because it stands as the starkest early warning of a calculated depopulation of over 400 Arab villages and cities and the expulsion of over 700,000 Palestinian inhabitants to make room for survivors of the Holocaust and other Jews from the rest of the world.\r\n\r\n(snip) ","author":"history buff","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-24 15:59:03","modified":"2013-11-11 00:43:50","fileurl":""},{"id":175588,"heading":"SHTOONK!","article":"CM: "In order for peace to be reached in any situation, we need pro-peace people on both sides." \r\n\r\nHer ziopath cheering section: "Thats pretty much what the Zionists have all been saying here." \r\n\r\nNo, you maniacs aren't advocating for peace. You're advocating for unconditional support for the regional supremacy of the zionist state and its continuing exemption from all standards of international and moral law, and this after Israel has continuously proven for decades that it's the most militarized and belligerent state in that part of the world. \r\n\r\nIt's just like you liars to call this "peace" advocacy. You twist everything upside down. \r\n\r\nThe hardcore Jabotinskyites in Israel -- who totally dominate the government and always have -- aren't at all interested in peace and never have been. They're interested in one thing: a permanent state of war until the last possibility of Arab sovereign territory West of the Jordan River and north of Sinai Egypt has been demolished. That's their land; God pwomised umpteen fousand years ago. goo-goo ga-ga. And if they can keep this ball rolling from the Nile to the Euphrates, so much the better. Here lately they've made huge strides toward the Euphrates \r\n\r\nBack when zionism was more honest your all-time hero even openly said as much\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.marxists.de\/middleast\/ironwall\/ironwall.htm\r\n\r\n"If its so easy to find an expression of hatred, then show me." \r\n\r\nI already did that shit (here http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/news\/2006\/07\/169468_comment.php#175163 ). It rolled off your impenetrable brains like water off of ducks' backs. Spare us the pretense of even asking.","author":"TW","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-24 16:02:56","modified":"2006-08-24 16:02:56","fileurl":""},{"id":175591,"heading":""It was a big clown act!", but can we get our stories straight?:","article":""It was a big clown act!" (Aug. 23, 2006 at 11:53 AM): It was a big clown act! We had all kinds of Jews, we had Mizrachi Jews that we often socially discriminate against in Israel, we had Russian Jews who really wanted to get to America in the first place, of course we had American Jews who are persecuted, tormented and brutally oppressed in their cushy American suburbs, we had Gay Jews, we had Green Party Jews who've infiltrated that party and try to morally corrupt it and turn it into a Zionist party, we had Jews in Blackface (note the 'black' guy in the dread locks wig), we had Old Jews, and we even had, ahem (let me try to say this with a straight face) Anarchist Jews who believe in a Jewish-supremacist state where everyone else is WORSE than 2nd-class, who won't really let anyone non-Jewish become an immigrant citizen, with walls to keep most non-Jews out, and who won't even let a rare nonracist Israeli Jew marry a Palestinian and both live in Israel (we call it, wink-wink, Israel's Nuremberg race laws), and so on Jews."\r\n \r\n\r\nImpartial Ziopath: "I can speak for San Francisco, because I was there. We [Zionist counterprotesters] had a beautiful mix of people of all colors and ethnic origins... SEE!"\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/indybay.org\/newsitems\/2006\/08\/12\/18296586.php ","author":"AT LEAST HE'S HONEST!","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-24 16:23:53","modified":"2006-08-24 16:23:53","fileurl":""},{"id":175594,"heading":"Hey Tia","article":"I never CLAIMED to be a peace advocate. I don't have your politician personality problem of always striking poses on the rhetorical "moral high ground" while LYING to myself in order to do it. I'm a *justice* advocate. That's NOT AT ALL the same thing","author":"TW","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-24 16:33:08","modified":"2006-08-24 16:33:08","fileurl":""},{"id":175595,"heading":"WTF?","article":""That isn't about hatred fro Islam at all. Thats about someone who has been tormenting us locally- who is about as Arab as you or I."\r\n\r\nWTF are you talking about? This is impenetrable","author":"TW","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-24 16:35:36","modified":"2006-08-24 16:35:36","fileurl":""},{"id":175596,"heading":"Quick do some damage control","article":"Omigash! Our black supporters weren't really black? They were in blackface?\r\nOmigash! Our Asian supporters weren't really Asian? They were in Asian face?\r\n\r\nwww.zombietime.com\/israeli_consulate_protest_july_13_2006\/","author":"you forget- we also take photos","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-24 16:36:36","modified":"2006-08-24 16:36:36","fileurl":""},{"id":175597,"heading":""Peace is not merely the absence of violence; it's the presence of JUSTICE."","article":"Indeed.\r\n\r\nTW: "Hey Tia [Hun-nee] I never CLAIMED to be a peace advocate. ... I'm a *justice* advocate. That's NOT AT ALL the same thing."\r\n\r\nIndeed.","author":"Martin Luther King, Jr.","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-24 16:40:57","modified":"2006-08-24 16:40:57","fileurl":""},{"id":175620,"heading":"from your link","article":"http:\/\/www.zombietime.com\/israeli_consulate_protest_july_13_2006\/\r\nPalestine will be free, from the river to the sea! \r\nPalestine will be free, from the river to the sea! \r\nPalestine will be free, from the river to the sea! \r\nPalestine will be free, from the river to the sea! \r\nPalestine will be free, from the river to the sea! \r\nPalestine will be free, from the river to the sea!\r\n\r\ngood ","author":"AK","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-24 16:43:39","modified":"2006-08-24 16:43:39","fileurl":""},{"id":175633,"heading":"Hi there!","article":"I'm just saying that 'I believe you!'\r\nand the demonstration is reflective of attitudes generated from the history of Zionist Israel, not immaculately created out of a vacuum.\r\nIt's up to Israel to amend the torn humanity. And free Palestine.","author":"Do me a favor","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-24 17:19:54","modified":"2006-08-24 17:19:54","fileurl":""},{"id":175639,"heading":""damage control"? ha-ha-ha!! Nice try! You're kidding, right?","article":"Out of ALL the ziopaths counterprotester pictures, the Ziopaths find *ONE* single picture with four **VERY PASSIVE**, rather young Asian males (looks like the youngest, by far, in the Zio-Nazi crowd) standing on the very end of the counterprotest -- and they weren't even holding any Zio-Nazi Israeli flags or signs. They were probably just hangin' out together and walking down the sidewalk on that side, crossed the street, and slipped between the barracades and the newspaper boxes on one side on one end to see what was going on. That's a more plausible explanation for what they look like they were doing.\r\n\r\nYeah, they look like REAL commited Zionists, don't they? \r\n\r\n(I bet they don't even know what Zionism is or when Israel became an imperialist European colonialist state. I bet they couldn't even tell you who the prime minister of Israel is. I bet they couldn't tell you what Kyriat Shimona is: they probably would think it's a food item at a Jewish deli. I bet they wouldn't even know what a Likudnik\/Jabotinskyite is if a Likudnik government official hypothetically automatically denied them citizenship in Israel or told them that, as non-Jews, they couldn't even own\/lease property or build a house there or marry a Jewish woman there. Maybe their Asian relatives are poor menial 3rd World Asian domestics -- popular in Israel now to clean Israeli kitchens and bathrooms and change diapers on Israeli babies and do other, ahem, shit work -- and you coerced them to come stand there.)\r\n\r\nWhat did you offer those boys to just stand there? A kiss with a busty, cleavagey Zio-Nazi girl!? Where were they from? Togo or Guam? -- or whatever that one Pacific island country is that the U.S. strong-arms to vote with it and Israel, at those times when Israel does something so horrendous that only two other countries vote with Israel in the UN general assembly.","author":"Nice try ziopath!","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-24 17:30:36","modified":"2006-08-24 17:30:36","fileurl":""},{"id":175641,"heading":"What about the Jews that Israel killed...","article":"when Mossad and pre-Mossad Jewish terrorists planted bombs in Jewish neighborhoods (and even synagogues) in Arab countries to try to scare and force those Jews to flee to Israel?\r\n\r\nWhat about all the death threats against American Jews who criticize Israel?","author":"when Jews killed Jews","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-24 17:41:28","modified":"2006-08-24 17:41:28","fileurl":""},{"id":175646,"heading":"Yeah?","article":""You think its justifiable to shout "Kill t he Jews" because of the history of Israel?" \r\n\r\nJewish organizations worldwide Jewish organizations effectively screamed "Kill the Germans" in 1933 because of the Nazi regime. Do you condemn THAT? If not, how is it different?\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.jewsagainstzionism.com\/zionism\/jewishwar.cfm","author":"TW","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-24 18:15:38","modified":"2006-08-24 18:15:38","fileurl":""},{"id":175649,"heading":"Uh-huh..., from Togo or Guam?","article":"zio-nazi: "There are 5 of them [asian boys with us]."\r\n\r\nCan count them on one hand, huh? Did you promise to use the Israeli consulate's pull with the State department to grease the wheels to U.S. citizenship for them?\r\n\r\n\r\nzio-nazi: "we had babes in strollers"\r\n\r\nKinder f\u00fcr ze Zionist Fatherlandt's glorrrious shock und terror troops, ya? Ze Zio-Nazi voman's first duty.\r\n\r\n\r\nzio-nazi: "We've got people who press money into our hands."\r\n\r\n'Surrrre' ya do. People don't think that Zio-Nazi Jews have _enough_ money, huh?: what with their well-financed lobby, their influence in the corporate media, and the billions of dollars they get every year for their Zio-Nazi state from the U.S.?","author":"uh-huh","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-24 18:40:19","modified":"2013-11-11 00:43:51","fileurl":""},{"id":175653,"heading":" I'm Sammy the snake and I've got to confess","article":"zio-nazi: "There are 5 of them [asian boys with us]."\r\n\r\nCan count them on one hand, huh?\r\n\r\nIn that photo, yeah. First one, then two, three, four and five. Its easy. You can use your fingers to help you out. I learned on Sesame Street. You should watch it some time too. Maybe you could pick up the alphabet , too.","author":"that I look and sound like the letter S","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-24 19:07:17","modified":"2006-08-24 19:07:17","fileurl":""},{"id":175656,"heading":"Israeli tank soldier killed, 3 seriously wounded, by one of their own landmines!","article":"HA-HA-HA----HA-HA-HA----HA-HA-HA...!!!\r\n\r\n\r\nTHE JERUSALEM POST: \r\n\r\nIDF soldier killed by old land mine\r\n\r\nAn IDF soldier, identified as Alex Assaf, 21, from Karmiel, was killed and three others injured on Wednesday morning when a company of the Givati Brigade accidentally walked into a minefield in southern Lebanon, near Har Dov, also known as the Sheeba Farms. \r\n\r\nA platoon commander and another soldier were listed in serious condition, and the battalion commander was in moderate condition. Several other soldiers were lightly injured. \r\n\r\n...\r\n\r\nThis is the second soldier to be killed since the UN-brokered cease-fire took affect on August 14. The first was Lt.-Col. Emanuel Moreno, 35, of the General Staff Reconnaissance Unit. He was killed in a shoot-out with Hizbullah fighters during an Israeli commando raid in the heart of Lebanon. \r\n\r\nTwo other officers in the unit were wounded in that operation, including one seriously. \r\n\r\n...\r\n\r\nAnother incident occurred on Monday, when an IDF soldier was seriously injured after he accidentally fell on his head in the village of Taibeh in the eastern sector of southern Lebanon. \r\n\r\n\r\nHA-HA-HA----HA-HA-HA----HA-HA-HA...!!! OH THAT'S *RRRRICH*!!!\r\n\r\n___________________________________________________________\r\n\r\n\r\nHA'ARETZ:\r\n\r\nIDF soldier killed, three others hurt, in South Lebanon\r\n\r\nAn Israel Defense Forces soldier was killed and three others were wounded Wednesday when a mine exploded in southern Lebanon, close to the border with Israel. \r\n\r\nThe soldier was identified on Wednesday night as Staff Sergeant Alex Assaf, 21, of Carmiel. \r\n\r\nOne of the wounded soldiers, a company commander, was in moderate-to-serious condition; a battalion commander sustained moderate wounds and another solider was lightly injured.\r\n \r\nThe incident apparently occurred when the tank in which the three were traveling ran over an old IDF mine, planted before the Israeli withdrawal from southern Lebanon in 2000.\r\n \r\n\r\nHA-HA-HA----HA-HA-HA----HA-HA-HA...!!!\r\n\r\nOYYYY VEYYYY...!!!","author":"so who needs Hezbollah!?","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-24 19:19:23","modified":"2006-08-24 19:19:23","fileurl":""},{"id":175662,"heading":"They are Fox journalists","article":"GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip -- A previously unknown Palestinian group released the first video Wednesday of two kidnapped Fox News journalists and demanded that Muslim prisoners in U.S. jails be released within 72 hours in exchange for the men, a Palestinian news agency reported.\r\n\r\nIn the video, Steve Centanni, 60, of the San Francisco area, and cameraman Olaf Wiig, 36, of New Zealand, appeared to be in good health, seated on the floor in sweat suits against a black background. No armed men were shown.\r\n\r\n\r\nIt was the first time Centanni and Wiig have been seen since they were kidnapped Aug. 14 near the Palestinian security services headquarters in Gaza City. The video was shown to an Associated Press correspondent in Gaza and also was broadcast by Al-Jazeera.\r\n\r\nAlthough Palestinian militant groups have often seized foreigners, including members of the media, this is the longest any have been held.","author":"who cares?","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-24 19:47:30","modified":"2006-08-24 19:47:30","fileurl":""},{"id":175663,"heading":"what were they doing there?","article":"Weren't the Israelis told they could only drop bombs on Lebanon and not perform maneuvers there? After the 'cease fire' brokered by the UN?","author":"Don","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-24 19:51:16","modified":"2006-08-24 19:51:16","fileurl":""},{"id":175668,"heading":"SchtarkRavingYidiot calling someone _else_ an idiot?","article":"Hey SRI, when are we going to hear YOU on the radio, especially a call-in show? You zionoids don't even show up at leftist political lectures, panels or bookreadings on the Middle East to try to morally defend yourselves. I think that it's because, from your past experience, you all have just gone down in flames in front of knowledgeable leftists and progressives. We'd love to see you blabber and flounder on a radio call-in show. YOU'D be the PERFECT radio call-in show guest for that. Why not call up Bernie Ward on KGO or Dennis Bernstein on KPFA and tell them that you're available?","author":"puh-leeez","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-24 21:41:27","modified":"2006-08-24 21:41:27","fileurl":""},{"id":175685,"heading":""San Francisco Voice for Israel, the only grassroot collective for Israel advocacy in","article":"What about Jewish Voice For Peace? They're not opposed to Israel, only to some of its policies. ","author":"another Zionist lie","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-24 22:25:35","modified":"2006-08-24 22:25:35","fileurl":""},{"id":175690,"heading":"Here's a PERFECT example of some yidiot going down in flames on progressive radio:","article":"puh-leeez : "Hey SRI, when are we going to hear YOU on the radio, especially a call-in show? You zionoids don't even show up at leftist political lectures, panels or bookreadings on the Middle East to try to morally defend yourselves. I think that it's because, from your past experience, you all have just gone down in flames in front of knowledgeable leftists and progressives."\r\n\r\n\r\nHere's A PERFECT EXAMPLE of some babbling yidiot going down in flames on progressive radio. He just got royally TOASTED and SHREDDED (by Rania Masri, activist, organizer and professor of environmental science at the University of Balamand in Northern Lebanon)!:\r\n\r\n\r\nThe Morning Show\r\n\r\nFriday, August 18th, 2006\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.kpfa.org\/archives\/index.php?arch=15697\r\n\r\nGo to 58:07 after the hour to hear the zionoid caller "Art" in San Carlos being DEMOLISHED piece by piece and going down in FLAMES.\r\n\r\nYou see, SRI, it'd take more than YIDIOTIC CRACKS and propaganda blather for zionoids to hold your own in a formal public setting against informed people. It's one thing for zionoids to just verbally shadowbox and spout their propaganda to each other; it's another thing for them to spout off publicly to informed opposing opposition. When zionoids are in a REAL debate, they LOSE. Which is why _real_ opposition to zionists is kept off of mainstream corporate news.","author":"another zionoid goes down in flames!","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-24 22:44:05","modified":"2006-08-24 22:44:05","fileurl":""},{"id":175697,"heading":"Another difficult Zionist truth","article":""San Francisco Voice for Israel, the only grassroot collective for Israel advocacy in\r\nby another Zionist lie Wednesday, Aug. 23, 2006 at 6:25 PM\r\n\r\nWhat about Jewish Voice For Peace? \r\n\r\nAre you serious? Firstly, they aren't grassroots. Any organization that has a national presence and hundreds of thousands in assets isn't grassroots. Not by my definition.\r\nNor do they advocate FOR Israel. When they picket a gathering of schoolchildren ,synagogues and charitable institutions, you can't tell me they advocate FOR Israel.\r\nTheir form 990c indicates $119,800 in compensation of officiers, directors, etc.\r\nNope. Not grassroots by my definition.\r\nAnyone else you want to throw at me?","author":"Tia","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-24 23:29:30","modified":"2006-08-24 23:29:30","fileurl":""},{"id":175698,"heading":""What about Jewish Voice For Peace?"","article":"Actually, JVP has members who are 'liberal Zionists' critics of Israel and morally more serious anti-Zionists who believe in a re-unified secular democratic state (whatever it would be called) with equal rights for everyone regardless of religion or ethnicity. JVP doesn't take a formal organizational position on Zionism per se or require that their members be for or against it. If you are willing to work against, especially Israel's WORST atrocities\/practices, you can be a member of JVP. JVP members have COMMON GOALS (like picketing and opposing Caterpillar bulldozer sales to Israel), not necessarily completely common anti-Zionist or 'liberal Zionist' politics (and JVP members are everything from liberal Democrats, to progressives, to social democrats, to Marxists, to Anarchists). I was warmly welcomed at and used to go to all their Oakland meetings until I got too busy with other stuff.\r\n\r\n\r\n(P.S. A 'liberal Zionist' is like a 'liberal Southern Jim Crow Segregationist' would have been back before the early 1960's. The latter opposed the lynchings and torture-burnings of Black people, and Southern sheriffs siccing police dogs on little Black church girls, and the KKK bombing those Black churches -- you know, opposed the WORST atrocities -- but they actually SUPPORTED the state maintenance of rigid American segregation\/apartheid itself.)","author":"JA","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-24 23:31:35","modified":"2006-08-24 23:31:35","fileurl":""},{"id":175747,"heading":"To reinforce our privyness to the sheep's stupidity","article":"Hizbollah never planned for some of their stormtroopers to fall into Israeli captivity! \r\n\r\n"Gee, can you provide some evidence for this unrealistic pronouncement? In an armed conflict?" \r\n\r\nYou sound so fucking stupid even for your own abysmal level of intelligence. AS IF the IDF never captured enemy soldiers or guerillas in armed combat. In which gutter do they find (also ahistoric ignoramus) brains like the sheep's?\r\nFor starters _watch_ some of the captives blindfolded by clicking on the link at the bottom of this page: http:\/\/xmb.stuffucanuse.com\/xmb\/viewthread.php?tid=2624&page=2#pid7213. One of the Hizbullah gunmen behind the kidnapping of IDF reservists Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev on July 12 was among the captured -- see http:\/\/www.jpost.com\/servlet\/Satellite?cid=1154525815342&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull (if the JPost is good anough for one ultra-leftist Jew hater you must accept its reports too unless you want us to dismiss you even today with uproarious laughter). A few of these bozo clowns were caught asleep (literally) -- http:\/\/www.militantislammonitor.org\/article\/id\/2211 \r\n\r\nA sheep must be stupid. Oops... it is.","author":"20 Hizbollah captives","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-25 13:42:52","modified":"2006-08-25 13:42:52","fileurl":""},{"id":175756,"heading":"Hi there!","article":"awww shucks.\r\nThe interlopers were not 'kidnapped' but captured in the course of an invasive action against another state for malicious intent.\r\nAnd it is unrealistic to believe taking prisoners will not occur.\r\n\r\nOh, BTW, are you trying to hurt my feelings?\r\nha ha ha ha","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-25 14:01:53","modified":"2006-08-25 14:01:53","fileurl":""},{"id":175764,"heading":"Hi there! re dux","article":"Me speak simple for you.\r\nIsraelis CAPTURED in combat ( attack)\r\nno kidnapping.\r\nBig words, no meanings from you.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-25 14:15:38","modified":"2006-08-25 14:15:38","fileurl":""},{"id":175769,"heading":"But that's yawn inducing","article":"The 2 Israeli reservists weren't in attack as they were captured. There's was a sort of recon mission.\r\nThe news, or less known fact of the last month is, that 20 Hizbullah "do gooders" were captured is what needed to be illuminated. \r\n \r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"eff the sheep","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-25 14:30:25","modified":"2006-08-25 14:30:25","fileurl":""},{"id":175784,"heading":"-There's was a sort of recon mission.-","article":"In military terms they were captured while performing malicious intent ( unless they were doing community service for the citizens of Lebanon)\r\nand not, I repeat, not kidnapped.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-25 15:18:28","modified":"2006-08-25 15:18:28","fileurl":""},{"id":175786,"heading":"That's a sort of backpeddling","article":"if you no longer insist on ascribing to them an attack mission. \r\nThis response beats outright denial of reality.\r\n","author":"to eff the sheep","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-25 15:22:58","modified":"2006-08-25 15:22:58","fileurl":""},{"id":175787,"heading":"oh let me make it clear - for you","article":"and a forward observer is not part of an attack?\r\nTell that to the artillery battery he's directing.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-25 15:26:30","modified":"2006-08-25 15:26:30","fileurl":""},{"id":175800,"heading":"oh","article":"so they were sneaking into Lebanon to play Santa Clause?","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-25 15:50:47","modified":"2006-08-25 15:50:47","fileurl":""},{"id":175802,"heading":"ho'","article":"I gathered you did surmise that the Hizbullah squad snuk into Israel to play Santa Clause. Just because you're rather ignorant of Muslim holidays.\r\n","author":"sheep is pissed","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-25 15:58:40","modified":"2006-08-25 15:58:40","fileurl":""},{"id":175803,"heading":"ignorant of Muslim holidays.","article":"Did I miss another one?\r\nDamn.\r\n\r\nI'm like that. No holidays for the dog.\r\nThe israeli Special Forces INVADERS were NOT " kidnapped" and they were not there to do' food not bombs'.\r\nUnless you have other information.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-25 16:05:23","modified":"2006-08-25 16:05:23","fileurl":""},{"id":175806,"heading":"Hizbullah special invading force","article":"They sallied across the border, made a few strides and captured the Israelis who were performing their military duty. The "resistance fighters" were not there to do 'food not bombs'. Unless you can edify us how they were assisting Lebanon's downtrodden.\r\n\r\n","author":"pissed sheep brain","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-25 16:12:11","modified":"2006-08-25 16:12:11","fileurl":""},{"id":175809,"heading":"dear pissed sheep brain","article":"How dare the Lebanese even think about maintaining security within their country. From a terrorist state that rampaged through there before, killing many thousands.\r\nDamn them to hell.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-25 16:22:18","modified":"2006-08-25 16:22:18","fileurl":""},{"id":175811,"heading":"Thanks for proving our point","article":"Jihadist Muslims are always entitled to violate an international border of Thuh Jooo state and commit aggression to reassure themselves that they're maintaining security within their country to defend the innocent people from a state that withdrew some 6 years before and siince then absobed sporadic rocket attacks and another incident witnessing its soldiers captured in a cross-raid border infiltration.","author":"the piss shortcircuits him","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-25 16:35:50","modified":"2006-08-25 16:35:50","fileurl":""},{"id":175815,"heading":"justify my love","article":"That's what I've told you. How dare the Lebanese interfere with your israeli elves intent on polishing shoes left out side doors just for the little bowl of milk left there.\r\n","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-25 16:52:23","modified":"2006-08-25 16:52:23","fileurl":""},{"id":175818,"heading":"How dare the Israeli untermenschen expect to be left alone","article":"They should have just smiled, said "thank you" and gone about their untermensch ways. They should take a leaf from the behavior of their antecedents during Passovers in the ghettos up until the Emancipation. Count your casualties, mourn the dead and get on with life as untermenschen.\r\n\r\n","author":"after complete withdrawal","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-25 17:01:23","modified":"2006-08-25 17:01:23","fileurl":""},{"id":175821,"heading":"That's a vicious goosesteper anti-Zionist distortion","article":"You provide yet more evidence for your deep seated rabid racism: blaming some Jews who negotiated with a few Nazis in order to save as many Jews as they could. You would've been much happier if the Jews that survived due to their efforts had been gassed as well. Holocaust denial underlies your argument. These are some of the reasons why I keep referring to you as a Nazi as some sort. \r\nThe bottom line is you fool no truly progressive person who hears or reads your stuff.","author":"a gross one","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-25 17:22:32","modified":"2006-08-25 17:22:32","fileurl":""},{"id":175825,"heading":""negotiated" ha ha ha ha ha ha !!","article":"So "negotiating to save Jewish lives" is what you call it when your psycho predecessors offered the Nazis a MILITARY alliance cuz they hated the British WAY more (hey, the Nazis were just killing Jews; it was those goddamn fucking BRITONS that were keeping them from waging war on the Arabs) \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.counterpunch.org\/brenner1223.html","author":"TW","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-25 17:36:15","modified":"2006-08-25 17:36:15","fileurl":""},{"id":175829,"heading":"The difference between Kidnapped and Captured","article":"SHEEPDOG WRITES: "The interlopers were not 'kidnapped' but captured in the course of an invasive action against another state for malicious intent. And it is unrealistic to believe taking prisoners will not occur. "\r\n\r\nBECKY: In order to shield Hezbollah from responsibility, Sheepdog would have us believe that Hezbollah DIDN'T stage an attack, on the orders of Tehran, across the UN declared international border with Israel into sovereign Israeli territory and attack 2 Humvees, killing 3 IDF soldiers, capturing two more, and hot-footing it back across the border into Lebanese territory in the midst of Katyusha shellings of Kiryat Shmona, IDF military positions, and nearby Israeli villages.\r\n\r\nHe doesn't want you to know that when Israel sent in a tank in hot pursuit after the two kidnapped....oh, I mean CAPTURED soldiers it hit a land mine mortally injuring the 4 IDF soldiers inside. An 8th IDF soldier attempted to rescue the injured soldiers only to be hit by gunfire himself. He died the next day at the hospital.\r\n\r\nThis was the 1st IDF incursion into Lebanese territory since Israel withdrew its last soldier in 2000.\r\n\r\nOnly then did the Israeli govt order that some roads and bridges be bombed, and the runways at the airport in a vain attempt to prevent Hezbollah from taking the soldiers deeper into Hezbollah-controlled Lebanon or even worse, into Syria.\r\n\r\nSheepdog would have prefered that it was the Israelis who were on the wrong side of the border up to no good when the soldiers were CAPTURED.\r\n\r\nwhat is the difference between kidnapped and captured?\r\nKidnapped means a crime has been committed. Captured means that a war has been declared and they are prisoners of war. According to the Geneva Convention, you are not allowed to hold prisoners of war hostage. And according to the laws of declared war, Israel has even MORE right to go into Lebanon and reduce and eliminate the threat posed by Hezbollah.\r\n\r\nSheepdog is indifferent to war crimes committed by Hezbollah, but then Sheepdog lives in an imaginary world where Hezbollah are defenders of liberty and freedom and the Israelis started the war.\r\n\r\n","author":"Becky Johnson","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-25 17:46:37","modified":"2006-08-25 17:46:37","fileurl":""},{"id":175836,"heading":"Smiting crypto-nazis","article":"For Truth Warper.\r\nFirstly, the LEHI brass weren't my predecessors. Secondly, There were other contacts by other Jews with Eichmann apart from what the LEHI brass initiated. Thirdly, I reject the unproven pathetic opinion that the LEHI brass of then hated the British more than the Nazis.\r\n\r\nNow go finish your porn-crisco bowl.","author":"negotiated","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-25 18:02:54","modified":"2006-08-25 18:02:54","fileurl":""},{"id":175840,"heading":""That's a vicious goosesteper anti-Zionist distortion." -- Oh yeah...?","article":"Zio-Nazi: "You provide yet more evidence for your deep seated rabid racism: blaming some Jews who negotiated with a few Nazis in order to save as many Jews as they could."\r\n\r\nThe "some Jews" were the LEADING Zionists and founders of Israel -- and they even offered to FIGHT ON THE SIDE OF THE NAZIS! These LEADING Zionists also often worked behind the scenes to keep\/inhibit many European Jewish refugees fleeing Nazism from being able to go anywhere else besides Palestine for the Zionists future state displacing the native inhabitants. The leading Zionists always themselves PUMPED\/HYPED UP ANTI-SEMITISM in order to have a self-justifying excuse for the colonization of Palestine and the continued support for the state of Israel. Isn't it interesting that they decided to go to the ARAB WORLD for safety -- where they *would* have been safe (Jews in other Arab countries had been safe there) if the European Zionists hadn't decided to bum rush Palestine and take the whole place over. \r\n\r\nBut these leading Zionists were themselves right-wing, many even fascists, and being European, were themselves often RACIST against even other Europeans they deemed to be lower (even against other Jews from certain countries, like Jews from Slavic and Arab countries) and, of course, many of them were deeply racist against non-Europeans (as their conquest and progressive brutal ethnic cleansing of Palestine shows). \r\n\r\nThe leading Zionist racist scumbags have ALWAYS sought to cooperate with Nazis, other anti-Semites (like Lord Balfour who didn't want Jews on the European continent to come to England, so he was happy to send them as far away as possible), right-wing regimes, the European imperialists, then apartheid South Africa, and now their CLOSE participation with fundamentalist "Christian Zionists" (Israeli Jews even HUG these people when they come to Israel!) with their anti-Semitic "2nd Coming"\/"End of Days" theology (where Judaism and the Jews would all be force convereted to fundamentalist Christianity or destroyed) in their colonization of Palestine. The ultimate SELF-HATING JEW is a ZIONIST, because they *THRIVE* on anti-Semitism.","author":"Zionist cooperation with anti-Semitism","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-25 18:08:59","modified":"2006-08-25 18:08:59","fileurl":""},{"id":175843,"heading":"Who won? JA won.","article":"I was one of the organizers of an anti-war protest in March of 2003. (google "Sex for Peace") because I was hoping that my fat blubbery ass would get laid! But nobody wanted me. I literally couldn't even give it away! \r\n\r\nOn right-wing issues: abortion, prayer in schools, gay marriage, the Patriot Act, the Iraq war, stem-cell research I am decidedly a leftist. It's my COVER for my rabid right-wing Zionism and it helped me infiltrate everyone from Free Radio Santa Cruz (they kicked me out) to the American Friends Service Committe. \r\n\r\nEven my Jewish ex-boyfriend says I have "a sick hole in my soul" and thinks I've become a Zionist nutcase. But that's why I became a hardcore shikse Zionist (it's like a crazy Christian Zionist, but for secular female nutcases): to get even with my Jewish ex-boyfriend after he broke up with me. I developed a Nazi mentality and ability to explain everything away -- only, in my case, against Palestinians. \r\n\r\nI was a homeless advocate long before I joined Dafka, thus carefully laying my cover before I became a rabid Zionist nutcase working for Dafka and that ultimate Zionist American nutcase Lee Kaplan (now that Kahane had been shot _dead_ as a doorknob), and working to advocate the homeless_ness_ of millions of Palestinians in their _own_ homeland. But JA got my fat dum shikse ass fired from my cover at Street Spirit street newspaper! \r\n\r\nWho won? JA won.","author":"Bullshit Becky Johnson","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-25 18:14:16","modified":"2006-08-25 18:14:16","fileurl":""},{"id":175852,"heading":"Who *ME*???","article":"TW: "Now JA, that is just MEAN (heeheeheeheeheeheeheee!)"\r\n\r\n\r\ntee-hee-hee...","author":"l'il ole *me*???","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-25 18:31:22","modified":"2006-08-25 18:31:22","fileurl":""},{"id":175855,"heading":"J.A. = NOI crypto-nazi","article":"To listen to your filthy crypto-Nazi spew hole, Dr. Kastner -- whose initial indictment was overturned -- was a leading Zionist and a founder of Israel. So why should I bother refuting your malicious worn tripe line by line?\r\n\r\nYou've got negative credibility. Not that we need to repeat this fact.\r\n\r\n","author":"JA swatter","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-25 18:39:30","modified":"2006-08-25 18:39:30","fileurl":""},{"id":175857,"heading":"Oh Tee Wdumbya","article":"You _really_ think I consider your hilarious retort as anything I'll concern myself with?\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Truth Warper","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-25 18:45:18","modified":"2006-08-25 18:45:18","fileurl":""},{"id":175858,"heading":"I think I hit a raw nerve! ... *OUWWWWCH...!!* That's *GGGOTTA* hurt...!!","article":"spasmodic zio-Nazi: "To listen to your filthy crypto-Nazi spew hole... So why should I bother refuting your malicious worn tripe line by line?"\r\n\r\n\r\ntee-hee-hee...","author":"l'il ole me","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-25 18:51:16","modified":"2006-08-25 18:51:16","fileurl":""},{"id":175859,"heading":"SchtarkerYid","article":"Just ignore Nessie and his ignorant pontificating warped by hate. Nessie is always wrong.","author":"Just more meaningless Nessie droppings","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-25 18:54:30","modified":"2006-08-25 18:54:30","fileurl":""},{"id":175862,"heading":"J.A. = the quintessential product of the failing NYC public school system","article":"He's since made up for his poor literacy in CA, but never surmounted his vicious decadent value system that school couldn't impart him with.\r\n\r\nFor a refutation you exclaim " hitting a raw nerve, nyah nyah"? Laugh of the day. Juif Antagoniste the crypto-Nazi genocide enthusiast should be in the studio audience in a Ricki Lake show. ","author":"J.A. waster","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-25 19:12:54","modified":"2006-08-25 19:12:54","fileurl":""},{"id":175865,"heading":"SchtarkerYid","article":"JA, May HaShem heal your troubled mind.","author":"JA, May HaShem heal you.","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-25 19:29:21","modified":"2006-08-25 19:29:21","fileurl":""},{"id":175871,"heading":"Pure Entertainment","article":"I just kick back and watch the spamming\/foging zio-Nazi swagger as he shoots his blank bullets like a kid in a costume demanding candy on Halloween. ","author":"CT flunks","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-25 20:58:41","modified":"2006-08-25 20:58:41","fileurl":""},{"id":175872,"heading":"Whaaat...? Oh, I see! The ziopath was trying to be, ahem, _'clever'_.","article":"ziopath: "...as he shoots his blank bullets like a kid in a costume demanding candy on Halloween." ???\r\n\r\n\r\nHuh...??? That's the _best_ that ziopath can do???\r\n\r\nHow 'wittty'...\r\n\r\n(I bet it took that ziopath a _lonnng_, _lonnng_ time to finally 'think' that up.)\r\n\r\nZionists -- not exactly ready for primetime when it comes to brains, huh?\r\n\r\n(You ziopaths sure do know how to _hurt_ a guy. He-he-he...!)","author":"zionist 'wit', i guess...","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-25 21:01:33","modified":"2006-08-25 21:01:33","fileurl":""},{"id":175874,"heading":"False Flags and Zionists","article":"this bit of hyperbole from ( one of ) our zionist campers.\r\n-THUGS WHO THRUST OLD JEWISH FOLKS ONTO THE PAVEMENT. \r\n-\r\nhow about mossad thugs who throw wheel chair bound Jews overboard to drown?\r\nthe Achilles Lauro \r\nusers.cyberone.com.au\/myers\/vanunu.html\r\n- An example is the case of the "Palestinian" attack on the cruise ship Achille Lauro in 1985. That was, in fact, an Israeli "black" propaganda operation to show what a deadly, cutthroat bunch the Palestinians were.\r\n\r\nThe operation worked like this: Eitan passed instructions to Radi that it was time for the Palestinians to make an attack and do something cruel, though no specifics were laid out. Radi passed orders on to Abu'l Abbas, who, to follow such orders, was receiving millions from Israeli intelligence officers posing as Sicilian dons. Abbas then gathered a team to attack the cruise ship. The team was told to make it bad, to show the world what lay in store for other unsuspecting citizens if Palestinian demands were not met. As the world knows, the group picked on an elderly American Jewish man in a wheelchair, killed him, and threw his body overboard. They made their point. But for Israel it was the best kind of anti-Palestinian propaganda.\r\n\r\n \r\n","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-25 21:26:48","modified":"2006-08-25 21:26:48","fileurl":""},{"id":175877,"heading":"tell me about it","article":"What's the matter, don't believe a former mossad officer?\r\n Victor Ostrovsky was one of your own.\r\nwww.mediamonitors.net\/gillespie1.html\r\n","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-25 22:00:25","modified":"2006-08-25 22:00:25","fileurl":""},{"id":175881,"heading":"I feel your pain","article":"\r\nnot just "some Israeli or Jew" but one of your celebrated finest.\r\n\r\nA mossad officer lie?\r\n\r\nNever!\r\nAre you casting aspersions upon the israeli mossad?","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-25 22:22:57","modified":"2006-08-25 22:22:57","fileurl":""},{"id":175884,"heading":"A mental pain *can't* feel another's pain","article":"Now you've switched to the "all Mossad officers are the finest of Israel" crap tune. As if the CIA, KGB and so forth never had cases of bad apples amongst them. The hilarious thing is you actually believe you can pull such crap like that on me and score a point. Maybe you'll have better luck with the Likud canards. ;-)\r\n\r\n","author":"hippie racist trash","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-25 22:43:14","modified":"2006-08-25 22:43:14","fileurl":""},{"id":175886,"heading":"dear hippie racist trash","article":"I know it's a little off from the usual Master Spy hero worship but hell, if you go on about, what was the phrase you used ( or one of your multiple personalities) oh yeah,"THUGS WHO THRUST OLD JEWISH FOLKS ONTO THE PAVEMENT" ( with caplock too!)\r\nand thought I'd offer another perspective on israeli respect for life and truth.\r\nAnd if it bothers you, maybe you should, in the future, think a bit about return fire. I realize this is new for you to have someone call your BS out for high noon. \r\nGet used to it.\r\n","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-25 22:56:15","modified":"2006-08-25 22:56:15","fileurl":""},{"id":175887,"heading":"dear racist hippie trash","article":"You tied together two disparate topics in your despair and topped this off with delusions of grandeur ("this is new for you to have someone call your BS out for high noon. Get used to it."). You're dsmissed with stomach aching laughter. Your pitiful attempt to talk down to me indicates a certain distress on your part.\r\n\r\n","author":"I'm not a hippie","parent_id":175026,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-25 23:16:56","modified":"2006-08-25 23:16:56","fileurl":""}]}