P.S. Villaraigosa is expected to address the pro-Israel rally.
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Counter demonstration at 4 pm Sunday July 23rd, at the SouthWest
corner of the SanVicente\/Wilshire intersection.
We are asking every one to be aware of the volatile situation and stay
safe at the face of the serious situations and injustices we are
struggling against.
The Israeli Consulate has announced there will be a \"Community Rally to
support the People of Israel\" this coming Sunday, July 23rd at 4PM, at
the Jewish Federation, Goldsmith Center, 6505. Wilshire Boulevard, Los Angeles (N side of Wilshire, just west of La Jolla - opposite side to Israeli Consulate)
So please join the counter demonstration. Gather at the SouthWest corner of
the San Vicente\/Wilshire intersection. This area is very visible and most
people that will go to the rally will have to pass by there.
Because this counter demonstration has been quickly organized, and the
situation in Gaza and Lebanon is dire, we hope that many of you will
come with your signs and your flags on such short notice.
Make large signs with very clear to read and understand messages.
The police have been notified that we will be there, and they are expecting
us. <\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","contact":"","link":"www.electronicintifada.net","address":"SW corner of SanVicente\/Wilshire intersection.","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/plain","summary":"Counter demonstration to pro-Israel rally at 4 pm Sunday July 23rd, at the SouthWest\r\ncorner of the SanVicente\/Wilshire intersection.\r\n","numcomment":130,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2006\/07\/169993.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":169997,"heading":"More Information","article":"\r\nWilshire Blvd. will be closed between San Vicente and Crescent Heights beginning at 11AM.\r\nNote: If coming from the West on Wilshire, you will not be allowed to enter the rally walking eastbound on Wilshire. \r\nTwo main access points to the rally: \r\nLa Jolla avenue at Wilshire\r\nSan Vicente Blvd., cutting through the Petersen building parking lot to Wilshire\r\n\r\n\r\nRally Parking Information\r\nWilshire Blvd. will be closed between San Vicente and Crescent Heights beginning at 11AM.\r\nNote: If coming from the West on Wilshire, you will not be allowed to enter the rally walking eastbound on Wilshire. \r\nTwo main access points to the rally: \r\n*\tLa Jolla avenue at Wilshire\r\n*\tSan Vicente Blvd., cutting through the Petersen building parking lot to Wilshire\r\nSuggested Parking Lots:\r\n\r\n8383 Wilshire Blvd. (Wilshire and San Vicente; enter on Gale)\r\nCost: $5 per car (800 spots available)\r\nFree shuttle to Rally entrance point\r\n\r\nOlympia Medical Center (formerly Midway Hospital)\r\n5901 Olympic Blvd. (at Genesee)\r\nCost: $2 per car (500 spots available)\r\nFree shuttle to Rally entrance point\r\n\r\nShalhevet High School (Fairfax and San Vicente)\r\nCost: FREE (50 spots available)\r\nFree shuttle to Rally entrance point\r\nStreet Parking Recommendations:\r\n\r\nSan Vicente Blvd. (South side)\r\n6th Street (South side)\r\n5th Street (from Crescent Heights to Orlando)\r\nMaryland (from Crescent Heights to Orlando)\r\nLindenhurst (from Crescent Heights to San Vicente)\r\nLa Jolla (from 6th Street to Drexel)\r\n","author":"FYI","parent_id":169993,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-07-22 23:41:14","modified":"2006-07-22 23:41:14","fileurl":""},{"id":170047,"heading":"How to counter the pro-war rally","article":"By calling for this counter protest a full block away from the pro-war rally \u201cresist Israeli aggression\u201d has missed the whole point of a counter protest. \r\n\r\nAssembly a block away could be called a separate demonstration, but it should not be considered a counter protest. A counter protest is a non-violent tactic where people directly confront the offending demonstration. Counter protesting is accomplished by positioning counter protesters in close proximity to the opposition. This can NOT be done from a block away.\r\n\r\n\r\nPeace activists who truly want to counter the pro-war rally will get there early hours before the pro-war rally is set to start and peaceable assemble at 6505 Wilshire Boulevard. By occupying and holding that space first you will be staging a peaceful, non-violent and effective counter protest.\r\n\r\n","author":"PEACE NOW","parent_id":169993,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-07-23 14:23:59","modified":"2013-11-11 00:42:29","fileurl":""},{"id":170118,"heading":"call and email city hall","article":"I just sent this letter to mayor@lacity.org I included my full name and street address so they know I'm local.\r\n\r\n\r\nWill Antonio Villaraigosa be speaking at the Israeli consulate tomorrow? If so, I am embarrassed to have voted for him. Israel's current war against Lebanon is disproportionate and is doing much to hurt the cause of Israel. I support Israel's right to a peaceful existence but I stand with nearly every world leader (of course, minus Bush) in saying that Israel has gone too far.\r\n\r\nNotably, even Tony Blair is saying this is too much.\r\nhttp:\/\/observer.guardian.co.uk\/world\/story\/0,,1826969,00.html\r\n\r\nGiven Israel's current actions, this is not an event that Mr. Villaraigosa, as mayor of Los Angeles, should be attending. I ask that he cancel his plans to attend this rally. Hizbollah is a terrorist organization but that doesn't justify the actions of Israel against the civilians of Lebanon. Please take a stand for peace -- cancel your plans for speaking at this event.\r\n","author":"Josh","parent_id":169993,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-07-23 22:33:48","modified":"2006-07-23 22:33:48","fileurl":""},{"id":170121,"heading":""Expertise"","article":"Maybe the IDF needs to hire 'Josh' as its authority on what constitutes an 'appropriate' response.....I mean he just HAS to know better than they do what that is since he is 6000 miles away and sees it all on TV.....I have no doubt that 'Josh' would have protested the Doolittle Raid on Tokyo in April 1942 as an 'inappropriate response' to the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor since they didnt bomb our Capital and we bombed theirs..","author":"Lord Locksley","parent_id":169993,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-07-24 00:05:27","modified":"2006-07-24 00:05:27","fileurl":""},{"id":170127,"heading":"and your there?","article":"And so your there to see it all??","author":"Diane","parent_id":169993,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-07-24 01:58:50","modified":"2006-07-24 01:58:50","fileurl":""},{"id":170140,"heading":"what are you waiting for??","article":"the last post mused about being called up to fight as well. you seem very "gun-ho." why are you waiting to be called up?? go and volunteer, i'm sure the idf will be more than happy to take you back--these are "your" people aren't they? it sure is nice to be able to bs from a safe vantage point, isn't it??","author":"la resident","parent_id":169993,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-07-24 06:39:36","modified":"2006-07-24 06:39:36","fileurl":""},{"id":170142,"heading":"Oh, Mayor Vendido -raigosa","article":"...won't back down from speaking out on behalf of the war crimes being perpetrated by the white colonial settler state of Israel.\r\n\r\nBe realistic.\r\n\r\nHe's running for Governor next time out.\r\n\r\nHe needs all the "support" he can get, and he knows it.\r\n\r\nThe vendido will sell anything for money fame and power.","author":"Nazi Hunter","parent_id":169993,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-07-24 06:55:28","modified":"2006-07-24 06:55:28","fileurl":""},{"id":170170,"heading":"Shauvah tov , SJ","article":"Get my message?\r\nYou've shamed me into reappearing, in spite of my best intentions.","author":"Tia","parent_id":169993,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-07-24 13:18:31","modified":"2006-07-24 13:18:31","fileurl":""},{"id":170173,"heading":"Hizbollah Agrees to 3rd Party Negotiation While Israel Kills Civilians","article":"www.khaleejtimes.com\/DisplayArticleNew.asp?xfile=data\/middleeast\/2006\/July\/middleeast_July502.xml§ion=middleeast","author":"zionist pigs not the chosen","parent_id":169993,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-07-24 13:21:03","modified":"2006-07-24 13:21:03","fileurl":""},{"id":170175,"heading":"Affirmative","article":"Thanks for writing. ","author":"chaver","parent_id":169993,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-07-24 13:23:25","modified":"2006-07-24 13:23:25","fileurl":""},{"id":170192,"heading":"Sure SJ, We all believe you (NOT)","article":"Yeah, sure you went to sign up. I beleive that as much as...oh....that the world is flat. You have demonstrated your fanatical obsessive nuttery too many times. Do you work?\r\nYou spend 24-7 trolling LAIMC. You are a whacko. If you are such a 'cyber warrior' (LMFAO!) why do you not do your thing in your own backyard? Too scared?\r\nYou don't have to answer that.","author":"Gabe","parent_id":169993,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-07-24 15:31:11","modified":"2006-07-24 15:31:11","fileurl":""},{"id":170193,"heading":"Israel does target civilians as such.","article":"This is Zionism in action","author":"brutal terrorist murderers","parent_id":169993,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2006-07-24 15:31:32","modified":"2006-07-24 15:31:32","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2006\/07\/genocide99.jpgfrdonb.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2006\/07\/genocide99.jpgfrdonb.jpg"}},{"id":170237,"heading":"I'm wrong too","article":"Because I believe in moral equivalence and apply it to the Arab_Israeli conflict.","author":"Pachuco","parent_id":169993,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-07-24 18:00:24","modified":"2006-07-24 18:00:24","fileurl":""},{"id":170267,"heading":"The captured Israeli soldiers were in Lebanon when they were captured","article":"\r\nHezbollah Captures 2 Israeli Soldiers
\r\n\t\tWednesday July 12, 2006 6:28am
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\r\n\t\tBEIRUT, Lebanon (AP) - The militant group Hezbollah captured two Israeli soldiers during clashes Wednesday across the border in southern Lebanon<\/b><\/font>, prompting a swift reaction from Israel, which sent ground forces into its neighbor to search for them. The forces were trying to keep the soldiers' captors from moving them deeper into Lebanon, Israeli government officials said on condition of anonymity.
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\r\n\t\tThe Israeli military would not confirm the report.
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\r\n\t\tEarlier, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert called an emergency Cabinet meeting and said Lebanese guerrillas would pay a "heavy price" for Wednesday's attacks.
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\r\n\t\t"These are difficult days for the state of Israel and its citizens," Olmert said. "There are people ... who are trying to test our resolve. They will fail and they will pay a heavy price for their actions."
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\r\n\t\tThe new captures came as Israel continued its two-week-old offensive in the Gaza Strip to try to win the release of another Israeli soldier who was captured by Hamas-linked Palestinian militants during a raid across the Israel-Gaza border last month.
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\r\n\t\tOsama Hamdan, a Hamas spokesman in Lebanon, said Hezbollah's seizure of the two soldiers Wednesday strengthens Hamas' position, and demanded Israel free all Arab prisoners to secure their release.
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\r\n\t\t"We have proven to this enemy (Israel) that the one option is the release of Palestinian, Lebanese and Arab captives. All captives, without exception," Hamdan told Al-Jazeera television.
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\r\n\t\t"What happened has strengthened the issue of the captives, and the enemy will submit to our choice, which is the exchange of the captives in return for the release of the soldiers," he said.
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\r\n\t\tThe comments appeared to reflect a toughening of Hamas' stance in the abduction of Israeli Cpl. Gilad Shalit in the cross-border raid outside Gaza. Previously, Hamas had demanded the freeing of some Palestinian prisoners in return for Shalit's release.
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\r\n\t\tHamdan did not say whether Hamas had consulted with Hezbollah over Wednesday's seizure of the two soldiers at Israel's northern border with Lebanon. But he said there may be subsequent "coordination and an understanding" between the two groups.
\r\n\r\n\r\n<\/html>\r\n","author":"AP","parent_id":169993,"mime_type":"text\/html","created":"2006-07-24 21:00:19","modified":"2006-07-24 21:00:19","fileurl":""},{"id":170305,"heading":"ZioNazis rule the U.S. - Might don't make right.","article":"... uh, huh.","author":"Sara","parent_id":169993,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-07-25 05:19:11","modified":"2006-07-25 05:19:11","fileurl":""},{"id":170351,"heading":"comparison","article":"Kurdish "terrorists" crossed into Turkey from Iraq and killed several Turkish military members. Should Turkey bomb and destroy the infrastructure of Iraq?\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.rferl.org\/featuresarticle\/2006\/07\/04C77744-2F65-4989-B6DE-D00564FD5DB8.html","author":"here","parent_id":169993,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-07-25 14:30:46","modified":"2006-07-25 14:30:46","fileurl":""},{"id":170352,"heading":"SchtarkerYid","article":"They've done it in the past. Where were you then?","author":"They've done it in the past","parent_id":169993,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-07-25 14:32:31","modified":"2006-07-25 14:32:31","fileurl":""},{"id":170355,"heading":"Question","article":"Did the Iraqi rulership ever give the Kurdish resistance in its country virtual control of the entire Iraqi infrastructure the way Lebanon had given Hezbullah?","author":"question","parent_id":169993,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-07-25 14:38:40","modified":"2006-07-25 14:38:40","fileurl":""},{"id":170356,"heading":"Question","article":"Did the Iraqi rulership ever give the Kurdish resistance total control of the infrastucture in its country the way the Lebanese did for Hezbullah?","author":"question","parent_id":169993,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-07-25 14:44:54","modified":"2006-07-25 14:44:54","fileurl":""},{"id":170390,"heading":"answer","article":"In the north of Iraq it is my understanding that the Kurds do control the infrastructure.","author":"here","parent_id":169993,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-07-25 16:52:00","modified":"2006-07-25 16:52:00","fileurl":""},{"id":170394,"heading":"SchtarkerYid","article":"\r\n\r\nThe soldiers have moved across the international border, with the aim of stopping an Islamic fundamentalist terrorist group.\r\n\r\nThe terrorists are occupying large swathes of the neighboring country, which has been wracked for decades by civil war and bloody internecine conflict.\r\n\r\nSounds familiar, right?\r\n\r\nSomalia_1Well, in fact, the above scenario is playing itself out not only along Israel's northern border, but in the Horn of Africa, too, where Ethiopia has moved troops into Somalia to counter an Islamic fundamentalist militia that has seized control over parts of the country.\r\n\r\nEthiopia legitimately fears the destabilizing effect of having a fundamentalist terrorist group based next door, particularly since the Somali Islamists aspire to create a "Greater Somalia" that would incorporate parts of Ethiopia itself. And so, Ethiopia has done what any normal country would do in such a situation: they have moved to protect themselves and their interests from harm.\r\n\r\nWhy do I bring this up? Because it underlines the hypocrisy and double standard that is applied by the media and much of the international community, which is only too happy to denounce Israel for defending itself, while remaining silent when others do precisely the same thing.\r\n\r\nSelective media coverage? You bet.\r\n\r\nSelective morality at the UN? Case closed.\r\n","author":"A Kurdish thread? A Somali thread?","parent_id":169993,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-07-25 17:07:39","modified":"2006-07-25 17:07:39","fileurl":""},{"id":170408,"heading":"Nope","article":""Because it underlines the hypocrisy and double standard that is applied by the media and much of the international community, which is only too happy to denounce Israel for defending itself, while remaining silent when others do precisely the same thing."\r\n\r\nIt's not an anti-Israeli bias, it's the fact that sub-saharan Africa is and always has been ignored by the world! \r\n","author":"here","parent_id":169993,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-07-25 18:37:03","modified":"2006-07-25 18:37:03","fileurl":""},{"id":170409,"heading":"SchtarkerYid","article":"Then explain Chechnya, Thailand, Sri Lanka, etc","author":"Then explain...","parent_id":169993,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-07-25 18:39:09","modified":"2006-07-25 18:39:09","fileurl":""},{"id":170413,"heading":"SchtarkerYid","article":"In essence, Lebanon is also held hostage by the pro-Syrian forces of Hezbollah. Hezbollah directly controls about 25% of the country, and the rest by threats and fear with a private army more powerful than the Lebanese National Army!","author":"Lebanon held hostage","parent_id":169993,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-07-25 18:46:44","modified":"2006-07-25 18:46:44","fileurl":""},{"id":170417,"heading":"more than state sanctioned protests needed","article":"Am sending a message of appreciation for all the pro-Palestinian and pro-peace activists who have organized countless protests since the pre-invasion of Iraq to show their opposition to US\/Israeli militarism, apartheid, genocide, corporate theft of resources, etc.. \r\n\r\nHowever, more action may be needed besides the usual sign waving protests where everyone drives home afterwards. Nobody likes being critisized on their tactics, sure protesting beats doing nothing other than typing on computers.. \r\n\r\nHaving remembered the book by Ward Churchill "Pacisfism as Pathology" and increasing curiousity to learn about militants in British occupied India who secretly destroyed British munitions outposts in the countryside has led me to question the mainstream peace movement's button sales and permitted banner marches.. \r\n\r\n"Churchill rightly points out that several peaceful movements which pacifists use as examples of the effectiveness of their strategies were successful only because of the violence inflicted on the system by those outside the nonviolent movement. For example, Gandhi's allegedly peaceful triumph in the struggle for the independence of India was overshadowed at that time by nationalist and religious violence which made the country ungovernable both during British colonial rule and afterwards." \r\n\r\nmore on Churchill's book @; \r\nhttp:\/\/www.spiritoffreedom.org.uk\/profiles\/rob\/pacifismaspathreview.html \r\n\r\nWard's main position in this book is that concerned people will need to give up their comfort zones and directly engage the military\/industrial complex of the US corporate government.. \r\n\r\n"The insistence of non-violent resistance and symbolic civil disobedience as the only acceptable forms of protest by North Americans is certainly one of the ideological areas which needs to be explored, challenged and debated." \r\n","author":"to stop US\/Israeli military aggression","parent_id":169993,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-07-25 19:05:12","modified":"2006-07-25 19:05:12","fileurl":""},{"id":170446,"heading":"On July 12, 2006, Israeli soldiers entered the Lebanon border and were captured","article":"Cancer of misinformation\r\n\r\nfrom Pipistro - 24.07.2006 22:04\r\n\r\nA little nation and its people have been tied to misinformation\r\n\r\nFor decades a coward silence has been the endemic cancer penetrating almost the whole western media when talking about the misdemeanours of the Israeli establishment. Therefore Israel has been turned into a little nation and its people has been tied to misinformation and egoism. Lebanese strike is the last show. On July 12, 2006, Israeli soldiers entered the Lebanon border and were captured in the Lebanese town of Ayta ash-Shab by Hezbollah militias that keep control of that land in Southern Lebanon (Bahrain News, Asia Times). Israel deliberately lies or let the world and the Westerners understand that the soldiers have been kidnapped in Israeli owned land. That\u2019s it, then it\u2019s hell. IDF bombs Lebanon while in Europe some say they are indignate (but they keep silent) and some talk of self defense (and they had better keep silent). After having believed as true, for years, world spread Israeli propaganda, such as the Western world trusted Barak\u2019s unabashed lies (making impossible for his people and neighbours to reach a deal with Syria and killing Camp David and Taba talks), Western nations let US backed Israel blackmail the Middle East with another humanitarian catastrophe. Hundreds of dead and wounded, hundreds of thousands refugees must weigh over the coward Europe\u2019s conscience, as there is no chance they weighed over the arrogance of the Israeli Military and Government or the dishonest US establishment. But something is moving. Protectors and protegees, in spite of the propaganda that has been spread for decades all over the world by hired information killers, are no longer able to keep people unaware of the facts.\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/beirut.indymedia.org\/ar\/2006\/07\/4734.shtml","author":"Beruit IMC","parent_id":169993,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-07-25 21:36:35","modified":"2013-11-11 00:42:31","fileurl":""},{"id":170448,"heading":"Nasrallahs plan to","article":"On July 24, 2006, Al-Jazeera TV aired an interview with Hizbullah Secretary-General Hassan Nasrallah.\r\nThe following are excerpts from the interview:\r\n\r\nWe Did Not Expect the Arab Regimes "To Participate in Spilling the Blood of \r\nthe Victim, and to Provide Cover for the Crimes of the Hangman"\r\n\r\nHassan Nasrallah: "The international community has never been with us, for \r\nus to claim that 'today it is not with us, it is besieging us, abandoning \r\nus, and neglecting us.' It has never been with us. On the contrary, it has \r\nbeen against us in the things that matter. For example, we have been on the \r\nAmerican terrorism list since... since they began the terrorism list. We \r\nwere among the first to be included in the terrorism list. Some European \r\ncountries also include us in their terrorism lists. The position of the \r\ninternational community is clear, and therefore, we are not surprised by the \r\ninternational community, and we have never pinned our hopes on it."\r\n\r\n"As for some of the Arab positions - this is, of course, something new. \r\nTrue. In the past, some of the Arab regimes renounced the resistance and its \r\nmen. Today, we would accept it if the Arab regimes - I am being very \r\nobjective and realistic... We would accept it if they were neutral. That's \r\nit. In the past, too, we accepted this from them. If you examine the \r\nrhetoric of Hizbullah... Maybe the rhetoric of our Palestinian brothers is \r\ndifferent, and this is their right, because their circumstances are much \r\nharsher than ours. They always attack, accuse, and denounce the regimes and \r\nthe rulers. This is not part of our rhetoric or writings. Why? Because we \r\nhave forgotten about them. There is no need for it. If you assume someone \r\nexists, you can attack him, but if you feel that he does not exist, by \r\nattacking him, you would be aggravating yourself for nothing.\r\n\r\n"Once we used to ask the international community to denounce the hangman and \r\nto have mercy on the victim. Then we got to the point where we said we would \r\naccept it if they denounce the hangman and the victim alike. This has become \r\nwhat we could expect from them. If a resolution denounces both the hangman \r\nand the victim - fine. As for the Arab regimes - all we expect from them is \r\nto be neutral. And if they do not want to be neutral - brother, let them \r\ntreat Israel and us equally. We would even accept it if they treat the \r\nhangman and the victim equally. But for them to participate in spilling the \r\nblood of the victim, and to provide cover for the crimes of the hangman - I \r\ntell you that we did not expect this. This was indeed a surprise."\r\n\r\n"I say categorically that the Israeli response to the capturing operation \r\ncould have been harsh, but limited, if not for the cover provided by the \r\nArabs and international community. It is not that Israel got the green light \r\nfrom America, Ghassan. Israel received an American decision that said: 'Go \r\non and finish that business in Lebanon.'"\r\n\r\n"In addition, some of the Arabs provided a cover, and encouraged Israel to \r\ncontinue the battle. Israel was told that this is a golden and historic \r\nopportunity to annihilate the resistance in Lebanon. They don't want to \r\nannihilate only the resistance of Hizbullah in Lebanon. They want to \r\nannihilate any motivation to conduct resistance in Lebanon, whether by \r\nHizbullah or anyone else. They want to bring the country to a situation in \r\nwhich the word 'resistance' is considered derogatory. Martyr, jihad, \r\nwounded, steadfastness, challenge, liberation, freedom, power, honor, \r\nnobility, dignity - all these words must be removed from the vocabulary of \r\nthe Lebanese, from the press, the political writings, from the political \r\nthinking, from the popular conscience. This is what Israel is doing. America \r\nneeds this if it wants to reorganize the region."\r\n\r\n"I Say to the Arab Rulers... Remain Neutral"\r\n\r\nHassan Nasrallah: "I am convinced that even the sons, daughters, and wives \r\nof some Arab rulers are with us. But I say to the Arab rulers: I don't want \r\nyour swords or even your hearts. All I want is for you to leave us alone, as \r\nwe say in colloquial Lebanese. In other words, remain neutral. We are fine \r\nwith that. You've said what you said - you can relax now, thank you very \r\nmuch. Today there is a war that was imposed on Lebanon. Its purpose is to \r\neliminate anything to do with the resistance or its fighters in Lebanon, and \r\nto punish Lebanon for defeating Israel. The truth is that the goal of the \r\nwar against Lebanon is to eliminate the Palestinian issue. Everybody knows \r\nthat the widespread Intifada in Palestine broke out following the victory in \r\nLebanon. What is happening in Palestine is a similar and improved version of \r\nthe Lebanese model. If today we destroy the Lebanese model, the message to \r\nthe Palestinians would be that they should despair."\r\n\r\n"The [Lebanese] Government Statement Says That [the Armed Resistance] has \r\nthe Right to Liberate the Land and the Prisoners"\r\n\r\nHassan Nasrallah: "This thing you asked me about - that I didn't inform or \r\nask [the Lebanese government]...\r\n\r\n"First of all, the government statement, on the basis of which we joined the \r\ngovernment, says that the Lebanese government adopts the resistance, and its \r\nnatural right to liberate the land and the prisoners. Okay, how is the \r\nresistance supposed to liberate the prisoners? It should go to George Bush? \r\nI cannot and will not go to George Bush. When you say 'the right of the \r\nresistance,' you are not talking about the foreign ministry. You are talking \r\nabout the armed resistance, and the government statement says that it has \r\nthe right to liberate the land and the prisoners. I am a resistance \r\nmovement. I am armed. That's one thing. This is the government statement, on \r\nthe basis of which the government won the parliament's vote of confidence.\r\n\r\n"Second, during the [Lebanese national] dialogue... Some people are now \r\nsaying that I did or didn't say certain things... There are recordings. Yes, \r\nI did tell them that we are keeping the border calm, because this was our \r\npolicy. But there are two issues in which we cannot tolerate this calm. I \r\nraised four issues. Two issues can bear delays, procrastination, \r\npostponement, and reminders. No problem. The first is the continued \r\noccupation of the Shab'a Farms. Never mind, we can take our time on this. \r\nThis is a small and limited piece of land. We will not start a war over the \r\nShab'a Farms. I'm referring to the kind of war we have now. The second issue \r\nwas the aerial and naval violations [of sovereignty], and even violations by \r\nground forces. We can tolerate this. True, violations of our sovereignty are \r\ndeplorable. But are we supposed to destroy the world because of it? No. Two \r\nissues cannot tolerate any delay. One is the issue of the prisoners, because \r\nof the human suffering. The second\r\n issue is any attack against civilians. I told them on more than one \r\noccasion that we are taking the issue of the prisoners seriously, and that \r\nabducting Israeli soldiers is the only way to resolve it. Of course, I said \r\nthis in a low-key tone. I did not declare in the dialogue: 'In July I will \r\nabduct Israeli soldiers.' This is impossible."\r\n\r\n"I Told Them [Lebanese Political Leaders] That We Must Resolve the Issue of \r\nthe Prisoners, and That the Only Way to Resolve it is by Abducting Israeli \r\nSoldiers"\r\n\r\nInterviewer: "Did you inform them that you were about to abduct Israeli soldiers?"\r\n\r\nHassan Nasrallah: "I told them that we must resolve the issue of the \r\nprisoners, and that the only way to resolve it is by abducting Israeli \r\nsoldiers."\r\n\r\nInterviewer: "Did you say this clearly?"\r\n\r\nHassan Nasrallah: "Yes, and nobody said to me: 'No, you are not allowed to \r\nabduct Israeli soldiers.' Even if they had told me not to... I'm not \r\ndefending myself here. I said that we would abduct Israeli soldiers, in \r\nmeetings with some of the main political leaders in the country. I don't \r\nwant to mention names now, but when the time comes to settle accounts, I \r\nwill. They asked: 'If this happens, will the issue of the prisoners be over \r\nand done with?' I said that it was logical that it would. And I'm telling \r\nyou, our estimation was not mistaken. I'm not exaggerating. Anywhere in the \r\nworld - show me a country, show me an army, show me a war, in which two \r\nsoldiers, or even civilian hostages, were abducted, and a war was waged \r\nagainst a country - and all for two soldiers. This has never happened \r\nthroughout history, and even Israel has never done such a thing."\r\n\r\n"If 60-70 people know all the details of an abduction operation, can it \r\npossibly be successful? No, it cannot. All the more so if I inform a \r\ngovernment, which has 24 ministers, the heads of the three government \r\nbranches, political forces, and coalitions. When we held the national \r\ndialogue, we talked and discussed things, and an hour later, the protocols \r\nof the meetings reached the embassies. Do you want me to tell the entire \r\nworld that I am about to carry out an abduction operation? It's not \r\nlogical."\r\n\r\n"It is true that I did not inform the Lebanese government, but I did not \r\ninform my closest allies either. Syria and Iran did not know. No Syrian or \r\nIranian knew. They did not know, and I did not consult any of them."\r\n\r\nHow Can the War Affect the Iranian Nuclear Dossier?\r\n\r\nHassan Nasrallah: "On the Iranian issue... Now there is a war in Lebanon. In \r\none, two, or three months it will end. How long can it possibly last? Once \r\nthe war is over, in what way will it affect the Iranian nuclear dossier? \r\nWhat effect will it have on it? On the contrary, if this is in any way \r\nconnected to the Iranian nuclear dossier, the war being waged against \r\nLebanon does not serve its interest. The Americans and the Israelis have \r\nalways taken into account that if a confrontation breaks out with Iran, \r\nHizbullah might intervene in Iran's favor. So striking Hizbullah now would \r\nweaken, rather than strengthen, Iran on the nuclear issue."","author":"kidnap Israeli soldiers","parent_id":169993,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-07-25 21:46:32","modified":"2006-07-25 21:46:32","fileurl":""},{"id":170495,"heading":"Beirut IMC rocks, Israel has one that is thriving, too.","article":"Check it out.\r\nhttps:\/\/israel.indymedia.org\/index.php\r\nGood stuff.","author":"Gerb","parent_id":169993,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-07-26 01:35:03","modified":"2006-07-26 01:35:03","fileurl":""},{"id":172110,"heading":"Stop the Zionists!","article":"As shown here, I*rael is not merely "defending" itself:\r\nhttp:\/\/www.nsm88.com\/images\/israelsgranddesign.gif\r\n\r\nIt is pretty obvious why the United States is backing I*rael. Look at who is in control of the media: \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.natvan.com\/who-rules-america\/index.html\r\nhttp:\/\/www.nukeisrael.com\/media%20jewish%20elite.html\r\n\r\nMy Folk is really glad that Los Angeles Indymedia is helping to expose the insidious (zio)neocon control of the entire American government, and that LA Indymedia is helping to expose the following:\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.natvan.com\/adv\/2006\/07-29-06.html\r\n\r\n"Whether by accident or by conscious design, the position of the Jews in the world today relative to our people is precisely what I have just described. They have acquired their own organized racial state, in which only Jews can be citizens. They have taken control over much of the American media and all of its most influential political leaders. Of all the ways they could use their media power, they most often choose to use it to promote race-mixing and non-White immigration."\r\n\r\nFurthermore, http:\/\/www.nukeisrael.com\/jews%20we%20bless%20thee.htm\r\n\r\nThis site also has information that la.indymedia.org readers will doubtlessly find valuable:\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.davidduke.com\/ for information about the Zionist massacre at Qana.","author":"White Pride World Wide","parent_id":169993,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-02 20:46:28","modified":"2006-08-02 20:46:28","fileurl":""},{"id":172296,"heading":""Israel has one that is thriving, too."","article":"Note the difference in editing styles between Israels and American Zionists:\r\n\r\nhttps:\/\/israel.indymedia.org\/mod\/comments\/display\/5045\/index.php#Comment-5044\r\n\r\n(snip)\r\n\r\nsad but true\r\n\r\n(snip)","author":"you got that right","parent_id":169993,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-03 15:03:18","modified":"2006-08-03 15:03:18","fileurl":""},{"id":172299,"heading":"Nothing to see, folks","article":"Have you noticed:\r\n\r\nAny anti-semitism, on the web or in the world is black ops, according to TW?\r\n\r\nJust last week , in that bastion of liberalism and tolerence, the Bay area, I watched a Palestinian man attack a "Woman in Black" with his shoe, because he thought she was a pro-Israel supporter. \r\nAnd because the surrounding folk regarded it as an attack on an Israeli supporter, no action was taken.\r\n \r\nNo hate there. Not a bit.","author":"move right along","parent_id":169993,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-03 15:09:05","modified":"2006-08-03 15:09:05","fileurl":""},{"id":172303,"heading":"He thought she was an Israel supporter because","article":"real Israel supporters brought their Zionist flags and mingled in among, and against the expressed wishes of, the Women In Black, in order to confuse people, while other Israel supporters passed out leaflets accusing the all Jewish WIB of being anti-Semites. \r\n\r\n","author":"what really happened","parent_id":169993,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-03 15:14:39","modified":"2006-08-03 15:14:39","fileurl":""},{"id":172317,"heading":"So you know who I am","article":"And how does it feel being targeted for a hate crime?\r\n\r\nThe flyers did not accuse Women in Black of being anti-semitic. Would you like to see one? They did however accuse Women in Black of being hypocritical (They'll show up at a picnic in the park, sponsored by the Jewish community, but they'll ignore a Palestinian conference dedicated to the destruction of Israel)\r\n\r\nWe did video-tape the whole event. The wheels of G-d grind slowly, but they grind exceedingly small.","author":"and with whom am I speaking?","parent_id":169993,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-03 15:32:42","modified":"2006-08-03 15:38:33","fileurl":""},{"id":172398,"heading":""by bunk logic Wednesday, Aug. 02, 2006 at 5:32 PM "","article":"You mean *this* bunk logic?\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/sf.indymedia.org\/news\/2004\/07\/1698659.php\r\n\r\n(snip)\r\n\r\nbunk logic\r\n\r\n(snip)","author":"just wondering","parent_id":169993,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-03 21:49:06","modified":"2006-08-03 21:49:06","fileurl":""},{"id":172400,"heading":""by just wondering Wednesday, Aug. 02, 2006 at 5:49 PM"","article":"You mean *this* just wondering? \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/sf.indymedia.org\/news\/2004\/07\/1698659.php \r\n\r\n(snip) \r\n\r\njust wondering \r\n\r\n(snip)","author":"heard it before","parent_id":169993,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-03 21:55:28","modified":"2006-08-03 21:55:28","fileurl":""},{"id":172414,"heading":"Thank you for playing","article":"with whom am I speaking?\r\nby good question Wednesday, Aug. 02, 2006 at 11:39 AM\r\n\r\nI could be anyone, even someone you think is your friend.\r\n\r\n\r\nI see what you are trying to do. It doesn't work with us, sweetheart. \r\n"We few, we happy few. We band of brothers*"\r\n\r\nAside from the politics, you'd like our group, Nessie. Its egalitarian, non-heirachial, and unstructured. Zero budget.\r\nYou know what I've learned? Its incredible how much you can get done when you aren't looking to take credit for your accomplishments. Its zio-anarchy.\r\n\r\n\r\n* and sisters","author":"Try again","parent_id":169993,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-08-03 22:44:36","modified":"2006-08-03 22:44:36","fileurl":""},{"id":172416,"heading":"Down with Zionism!","article":" The Israeli attack in progress in Lebanon received, according to the expression even of the international press, the "green light" of the United States and the "tacit agreement" of the other great imperialists States, beginning with France (in spite of the declarations of "amity" with Lebanon!).\r\n\r\nThe meeting of the "G 8" which was held at the commencement of the hostilities reserves any even platonic judgment of the Israeli aggression, of any even symbolic call for peace, being limited to a hypocritical call for "reserve" by the "two parties" (!): the message was received loud and clear by the Hebrew State which at once intensified its bombardments in the country, aiming in particular at civil targets and essential services, with the aim of sowing terror and provoking an exodus: more than one half-million people<\/b> were thus forced in a few days to flee the south of the country, while the death toll was in the hundreds. Israel also instituted an air and naval blockade of Lebanon, so much so that the Western ships which evacuate the foreigners must ask for their authorization for safe passage! None of these great States emitted the least criticism against this true act of piracy<\/b>, which they, in fact, ratify.
\r\nThis demonstrates that the "big 8" which dominate the world and which claim to be the defenders of civilization, are actually the terrorists-in-chief, they are the ones responsible for the crimes of capitalism<\/b>, even when in fact smaller States undertake their dirty work.\r\nThe attack of Israel in Lebanon is a continuation of its attacks against the Palestinians in Gaza and in the West Bank. The pretext of these murderous imperialist police operations<\/b> was the capture of three of its soldiers--whereas thousands of Palestinian and many Lebanese prisoners have been left to rot for years in Israeli prisons.
\r\nOn the one hand, their objective is crush any inclination of resistance to the permanent oppression undergone by the Palestinians and on the other, to turn up the pressure on those States in the area (Syria, Iran) which balk at yielding to the pressures of the United States and the Western imperialisms. During the civil war Syria sent its troops to Lebanon with the agreement of the United States, Israel and France<\/b> to crush the Palestinians and the disinherited Lebanese masses, now it is subject to very strong American and French pressures to give up the positions which remain to it in this country, after having already been forced to withdraw its soldiers a few months ago. The French imperialists hope that a more or less permanent weakening of Hezbollah (dependant on Syria and Iran) under the Israeli onslaught will enable them to regain a part of their previous "presence" in Lebanon, traditionally an important money market and commercial center of the Middle East. This is why Chirac called only for the application of the UN resolution against Hezbollah, and not for those against Israel...
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