{"article":{"id":159649,"heading":"Turner Complains:Son's School Hurt by Immigrants","author":"Vietnam Veteran","created":"2006-05-25 02:35:15","modified":"2013-11-11 00:40:14","last_modified":"Mon, 11 Nov 2013 08:40:14","article":"\n

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By Francisco I castrate Newspaper 213.237.4580 TODAY fcastro@hoyllc.com<\/a>

23 of May, 2006

San Bernardino -- Intelligent, arrogant, eloquent and confrontativo, these are hardly some of

the qualifying ones that have been used by critical supporters and when talking about to

Joseph Turner, the founder of the group Save Our State (SOS) and who days ago scored a

partial victory in his fight against the undocumented people.

Turner recently presented\/displayed a municipal initiative in the city of San Bernardino, which

looks for - between several things -, to prohibit that owners of property rent their houses to

immigrants without migratory documents, to seize the vehicles of people whom they contract

day laborers and to revoke the permissions of operation to businesses that contract

undocumented people. The Council voted in favor of which the future of the measurement she

was decided by the voters. Still date for these suffrages has not paid attention.

Turner, as 29 years of age, is graduated in finances of the University of the South of

California (USC). At the moment it works for the republican member of an assembly Ray

Haynes. For its supporters, Turner is brave and a patriotic one that it looks for to solve a

problem that the federal government is refused to solve. For his opponents, she is a

empecinado racist who hides his tendencies Nazi.

Turner initiated its fight when it studied in the military preparatory school John W. North in

Riverside, where organized a protest in favor of the Proposal 187 that it looked for to deny

social aid to him to the undocumented immigrants. On 2004 it founded SOS and it has led

protests against day laborers. TODAY it talked with Turner and these were their

impressions:

It is accused to you of racist, you consider racist?

\"I am not racist. I am a nationalist. I believe in the superiority of the American culture and my

nation. I am not shamed to say it. I am not a cultural relativista. I do not like when people

invade my country, are refused to assimilate and to adopt our culture, our values, our

language \".

Your adversaries say that your proposals only go against the Latin immigrants and who your

group this formed by \"skinheads\" and \"Nazis\".

\"Your headresses in the doors of people of all Afro-American, Hispanic, Asian, American

standard of life and native; some rich and affluent ones. Some not so rich and I can say to you

that through the demographic espectrum, people understand that an illegal one is an illegal

one. In my group there are people of all the races, Hispanic and immigrants who entered the

country legally \".

What motivated to you to initiate this proposal in San Bernardino?

Not to rent the illegal immigrants it is based on the decision of the Supreme Court of 1982,

that it requires that we educate illegal immigrants (in our schools). I am tired to see the

budget of the library of my son trimmed in a 25% for which that money goes to Spanish clubs.

I am tired to see the sobrepopulation in the halls classes and the resources spent in tutors and

special assistants for students of English like second language. It is already enough. I am tired

to see that the education of my son suffers due to people who would not have to be here.

Who is the guilty of the problem of illegal immigration?

The government deserves absolute responsibility by this. But I do not attack the illegal

immigrant. I go behind the employer of the illegal ones, behind which him rent to the illegal

ones. If I were an illegal immigrant, also Mexico would leave, Guatemala or of where comes

and came to this country. I also want one better life for my family and is why I am doing this. I

do not blame the illegal immigrants to come to this country. I admit that I would do the same.

But I am not in its shoes. I am in my shoes and I do not want to continue paying by them.

But you these against them and say that only they come to take money from the American and

to damage to your country.

It is unjust to assign all the fault to the illegal immigrants. I never would do that. But I believe

that the illegal immigrants share the fault by many of the problems that we faced in our

society.

San Bernardino esteem that would annually cost around a million dollars to implement your

initiative. They say that this is a waste of resources and that they must have cuts in other

areas to be approved the measurement. Would not be the this worse one for the city?

What they are doing is a cost analysis, not an analysis of the benefit of the costs. They simply

analyze the cost that she would have to implement the initiative, but they do not assign the

benefit to him that would come from that implementation. That defies the logic that this is a

right representation and needs both sides of the equation. I give the example of a broken

ceiling. Clear that it goes to cost to repair it to you and the reason by that you fix it is because

you have things that can be damaged inside and that have a certain value for you. To say that

only we are going away to focus in the cost of repairing the ceiling is to misestimate the

benefits of the articles that we are saving.

One says that they would have to contract more police to carry out your initiative.

The only thing which they must do is to confiscate a pair of vehicles and in a moment finishes

the market (of work) for the day laborers. The illegal ones are going away to go to another

city. You remember in June of the 2004, when they walked making the casts in the South of

California and were speaking of that in the radio and all the panic that was created? They

only did as three casts and everybody were saying, ' migrates is coming, coming migrates is

\"and all went away. It works.

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