{"article":{"id":155447,"heading":"Israel cannot be criticized (by Latuff)","author":"Latuff","created":"2006-05-01 17:50:33","modified":"2006-05-07 19:14:23","last_modified":"Mon, 08 May 2006 02:14:23","article":"

\"Right now, this has become a subject that you can barely talk about without people immediately trying to silence you, immediately trying to discredit you in various ways, such that no American politicians will touch this, which is quite remarkable when you consider how much Americans argue about every other controversial political issue. To me, this is a national security priority for us, and we ought to be having an open debate on it, not one where only one side is being heard from.\"

(Stephen Walt, professor of international affairs at Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government, on a University of California, Berkeley, TV show called Conversations With History last fall, speaking about the chilling effect of the Israel lobby).

Read \"Ferment Over 'The Israel Lobby'\" by Philip Weiss (The Nation): http:\/\/www.normanfinkelstein.com\/article.php?pg=11&ar=201<\/a><\/p>\n","contact":"latuff@uninet.com.br","link":"latuff2.deviantart.com","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","summary":"Copyleft artwork by Brazilian cartoonist Latuff.","numcomment":29,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/the_lobby.jpg","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2006\/05\/155447.php","image":{"original":"\/uploads\/the_lobby.jpg"}},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":155638,"heading":"Bollocks","article":"Don't you love, how Latuff can freely publish his material, insisting he's not allowed to?\r\n\r\nThe louder people bray that there is some all-powerful Jewish lobby trying to censor them, the more they disprove their own point.\r\n","author":"TH","parent_id":155447,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-05-03 00:24:57","modified":"2006-05-03 00:24:57","fileurl":""},{"id":155639,"heading":"been awhile","article":"that zany Brazilian.\r\n\r\nGot to love him. Right up there with Mort Drucker. IMOHO, of course.","author":"Gazunthiet","parent_id":155447,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-05-03 00:29:44","modified":"2006-05-03 00:29:44","fileurl":""},{"id":156029,"heading":"Was he inspired by Der Strumer?","article":"Was he inspired by Der Strumer? We've all seen racist cartoons before. Haven't we seen these in German?","author":"Schtarker Yid","parent_id":155447,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-05-04 16:31:36","modified":"2006-05-04 16:31:36","fileurl":""},{"id":156110,"heading":"Israel WILL be criticized...","article":"...until the apartheid bastards are shut down and forced onto the trash pile of history. ","author":"The New World Order Resistance","parent_id":155447,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-05-05 04:40:19","modified":"2006-05-05 04:40:19","fileurl":""},{"id":156115,"heading":"The problem isn't criticism of Israel","article":"Rather, it is ignorant hatist people like you singling it out for unfair criticism whereby you resort to unjustified buzzwords like "apartheid" for shock value. I doubt you've ever been to the country. All you know is what you consume in the biased leftwing media. \r\n\r\nBut get this notice: the Israeli Jews -- whom I'm one of -- may be foolish enough and impatient for a peaceful outcome to cause themselves unnecessary hardship by making premature or unwarranted concessions to the terroristic Palis, but aren't stupid so as to let themselves be wiped off the map, much less let one-sided shrill critics like you undo their country.","author":"autoblocked @Indybay","parent_id":155447,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-05-05 08:02:58","modified":"2006-05-05 08:02:58","fileurl":""},{"id":156119,"heading":"Re: criticism of Israel","article":"Absolutely. the problem isn't criticism of Israel. The problem is singling Israel out and holding it up to a higher standard than the rest of the world.\r\n\r\nOn Indymedia, rather than promoting intelligent discussion, people are virtually encouraged to "hate and bait". The very bigotted language that is chosen by many posters is designed not to inform, but to confuse and propagandize. We wouldn't tolerate hate speech against African Americans, women or gays. Why should we tolerate it towards Jews?\r\n\r\nThe language that is chosen comes straight from the various Saudi funded "Palestinan solidarity" conferences held across the country, when participants are drilled through role playing "Don't say 'security fence", say 'apartheid wall'. Don't say 'disputed territories', say 'occupied territories'. Doon't say 'divestment', say 'economic leverage' \r\n\r\nYou want to have an intelligent discussion, based on facts and history, we are ready. If all you want to do is sling mud, well, we are ready for that as well.","author":"Tia","parent_id":155447,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-05-05 09:58:48","modified":"2006-05-05 09:58:48","fileurl":""},{"id":156120,"heading":"Re: criticism of Israel","article":"Absolutely. the problem isn't criticism of Israel. The problem is singling Israel out and holding it up to a higher standard than the rest of the world.\r\n\r\nOn Indymedia, rather than promoting intelligent discussion, people are virtually encouraged to "hate and bait". The very bigotted language that is chosen by many posters is designed not to inform, but to confuse and propagandize. We wouldn't tolerate hate speech against African Americans, women or gays. Why should we tolerate it towards Jews?\r\n\r\nThe language that is chosen comes straight from the various Saudi funded "Palestinan solidarity" conferences held across the country, when participants are drilled through role playing "Don't say 'security fence", say 'apartheid wall'. Don't say 'disputed territories', say 'occupied territories'. Doon't say 'divestment', say 'economic leverage' \r\n\r\nYou want to have an intelligent discussion, based on facts and history, we are ready. If all you want to do is sling mud, well, we are ready for that as well.","author":"Tia","parent_id":155447,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-05-05 09:58:56","modified":"2006-05-05 09:58:56","fileurl":""},{"id":156130,"heading":"false leg","article":"Always has been and always will be. The major reason being it provides the only cover available for your cause. And you invariably wrap yourself with it to the endangerment of the world's Jewish populations. Is it a deliberate and\r\nmalicious facet of another pogrom against Jews world wide? \r\nI believe it is.\r\n"-Why should we tolerate it towards Jews-"\r\nThanks 'Tia' for the reapplication of religious involvement in another colonial land grab. I'm real certain your weasel crew of liars and assorted finks, snakes and rats, give a flying fuck about Jews.\r\nIf you did, you wouldn't use them for cover.\r\nAssholes. ","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":155447,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-05-05 12:49:38","modified":"2006-05-05 12:49:38","fileurl":""},{"id":156133,"heading":"We'll never buy your act","article":"All your pretenses at moralizing will never conceal in the least your rabid ever-goosestepping mindset. It blares through what you puke on the threads. You regard 99.99% of American Jews (it's fair to assume the same percentage of Canadian and Israeli Jews) as assholes and we haven't lost sight of that, no matter how much contempt you have for our intelligence. In my experience I've seen firsthand that crypto and real neo-Nazis would pretend to care deeply about Jews and their fate. The same holds true for Wendy Klanbell of Oakland. So it is with you. ","author":"autoblocked @Indybay","parent_id":155447,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-05-05 13:15:28","modified":"2006-05-05 13:15:28","fileurl":""},{"id":156134,"heading":"to autoliar@LA","article":""You regard 99.99% of American Jews "\r\nlike all your filth, wrapping themselves in 'Jewish morals' you are merely a lying zionazi sack o shit.\r\n\r\nPull the quotes, buzz lips or be known as another buzz lipped lying zionazi.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":155447,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-05-05 13:19:51","modified":"2006-05-05 13:19:51","fileurl":""},{"id":156135,"heading":"to autoliar@LA","article":""You regard 99.99% of American Jews "\r\nlike all your filth, wrapping themselves in 'Jewish morals' you are merely a lying zionazi sack o shit.\r\n\r\nPull the quotes, buzz lips or be known as another buzz lipped lying zionazi.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":155447,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-05-05 13:19:51","modified":"2006-05-05 13:19:51","fileurl":""},{"id":156141,"heading":"Now he's punching","article":"Do you actually masturbate when you utter these words?\r\n\r\nHow far would you go to eradicate an untermensch like me, stormtrooper?\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"autoblocked @Indybay","parent_id":155447,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-05-05 14:01:46","modified":"2006-05-05 14:01:46","fileurl":""},{"id":156169,"heading":"lying zionazi scum","article":"Lying sack o shit. You can't back up anything you say, can you?\r\nhow far?\r\njust far enough to MT the garbage, ya lying scum.\r\n","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":155447,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-05-05 19:58:44","modified":"2006-05-05 19:58:44","fileurl":""},{"id":156174,"heading":"That barely answers the questions","article":"I don't have a green idea what the hell "to MT" is. So spell it out in terms we untermenschen who don't belong to your racist Chosen Race understand.\r\n\r\nNow, Shit Dog, do you actually masturbate when you utter the slurs and epithets you did in your last two posts? ","author":"autoblocked @Indybay","parent_id":155447,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-05-05 20:26:15","modified":"2006-05-05 20:26:15","fileurl":""},{"id":156231,"heading":"MT like your ideals","article":"And again you profess ignorance while displaying bile.\r\n\r\nI don't see how you think you are doing anything but showing everyone what an incredibly dull and vile creature you are.\r\nIf anyone is beating off to a different drummer, it;s yourself. All the while wailing about anti- semites.","author":"prole","parent_id":155447,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-05-05 23:43:36","modified":"2006-05-05 23:43:36","fileurl":""},{"id":156239,"heading":""The problem isn't criticism of Israel"","article":"The problem is the existence of Israel.","author":"no, it's not","parent_id":155447,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-05-06 00:51:50","modified":"2006-05-06 00:51:50","fileurl":""},{"id":156246,"heading":"I don't get it","article":"I'd be *somewhat* impressed with your appeal to ethics if you similarly admonished your Shit Dog pal for his countless breaches of decorum and ethiquette. Do you usually berate only the Jewish party or is this a lone occurence on your part? \r\nSo why don't you put a sock in it.\r\n\r\n","author":"Yo, "prole"","parent_id":155447,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-05-06 01:35:40","modified":"2006-05-06 01:35:40","fileurl":""},{"id":156248,"heading":""The problem is the existence of Israel."","article":"Wrong. The problem is the existence of "nessie" and other anti-Semites. Like Latuff.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"heard it before","parent_id":155447,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-05-06 01:37:56","modified":"2006-05-06 01:37:56","fileurl":""},{"id":156266,"heading":"The New World Odour Resistance","article":"And in other news, a consortium of Global 4th Reichsters led by Henry Kissinger admits that they are responsible for posts on Indymedia by "The New World Order Resistance".\r\n"Well, not *directly* responsible," explains Kissinger Associates partner, Lord Carrington, "we don't waste our time writing on the little people's little websites. However, we have successfully managed to convince a large percentage of those who are somewhat aware of our little game that it's The Zionists(Patent Pending) who are behind it all! Our unwitting propagandists then just run with it."\r\n"Having a number of Jews who say a few nice things about Israel in strategic positions of power aids our smokescreen no end," elaborates a smirking Paul Wolfowitz, "I've been happily playing my role as a 'Zionist' for quite some years, but now I'm off to the World Bank where I'll make myself a lot of money, and make a lot of public comments to make notions about 'Jewish Bankers' seem sensible and not in the least bit antisemitic!"\r\n"We can arrogantly explain what we're doing in public like this because no one really listens," explains Zbigniew Brzezinski as he check-mated the anti-Globalisation movement on his portable chess set, "I mean, most of these so-called radicals still haven't clued onto the fact that we've been supporting Iranian Islamic fundamentalism ever since we manipulated Khomeini into power, nor do most of them seem to possess the ability to see through our transparent placemen like Scott Ritter, Ramsay Clarke and Michael Moore. Blinding Indymedia with Zionce has been a tactical success, but Damn it I want some recognition!"\r\nIn finance news, shares in Exxon-Mobil and Chase-Manhattan plummeted today amid concerns for David Rockefeller's health. "He hasn't stopped laughing for 2 days," a concerned spokeswoman claimed, "he sometimes says something about 'the stupid sheeple' and 'they actually think I'm a Zionist!' but it's mostly hysterical laughter."\r\nA representative of The Tavistock Institute was unavailable for comment however a spokeswoman for Stanford Research Institute described SRI's "Sensitive New Age Protocols of Zion PR smokescreen" project as "an unqualified success."\r\n\r\nNow here's Tom with the weather.......\r\n<\/SATIRE>\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.tetrahedron.org\/news\/jewish_hate.html\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/melbourne.indymedia.org\/news\/2004\/09\/78862_comment.php#78916\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/emperors-clothes.com\/iraq-iran.htm\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/emperors-clothes.com\/antisem.htm\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/emperors-clothes.com\/analysis\/ritter.htm\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/emperors-clothes.com\/analysis\/moore.htm\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/emperors-clothes.com\/milo\/ramsey1.htm\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.hirhome.com\/iraniraq\/iraq-general-intro.htm\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.hirhome.com\/israel\/mprot1.htm\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.hirhome.com\/israel\/ford.htm\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.hirhome.com\/israel\/leaders1.htm\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/melbourne.indymedia.org\/news\/?comments=yes&search=yes&medium=&keyword=eugene+bowler\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/melbourne.indymedia.org\/news\/2003\/07\/50964_comment.php#51027\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/melbourne.indymedia.org\/news\/2003\/08\/52149_comment.php#52362\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/melbourne.indymedia.org\/news\/2003\/09\/54706_comment.php#54891\r\n\r\nBut let's not concern ourselves with the openly totalitarian and genocidal agendas of Der Globalstaat, let us instead focus world "progressive" attention on Der Judenstaat. Of course, notions that this is tired old "Protocols of Zion" nonsense rehashed in modern form will be dismissed as "Je...erhum...Zionists exagerating like the whining yadda yadda weasels that they are"\r\n\r\nIt's works BRILLIANTLY!\r\n\r\nDoes it not?\r\n\r\n","author":"Changeling","parent_id":155447,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-05-06 07:53:04","modified":"2006-05-06 07:53:04","fileurl":""},{"id":156285,"heading":""by there they go again Friday, May. 05, 2006 at 5:15 AM "","article":"Lee Doyle is a fundamentally dishonest person: \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.sfimc.net\/news\/2002\/12\/1555696_comment.php#1962248 \r\n\r\n(snip) \r\n\r\nSometimes he takes something that a Zionist has written, subtly alters its meaning by changing a few words, and posts it under the name of the original author. \r\n\r\n(snip)","author":"there he goes again","parent_id":155447,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-05-06 13:19:16","modified":"2006-05-06 13:19:16","fileurl":""},{"id":156287,"heading":"Pro-Israel speech is Censored","article":"I've heard this claim made before. That anyone who dares to cricize Israel is automatically called an anti-semite.\r\n\r\nFirst, there actually ARE anti-semites who criticize Israel, so in many cases, those charges are true\r\n\r\nSecond, sometimes this accusation is made absent anyone calling anyone an anti-semite\r\n\r\nThird, the only place where criticism of Israel is paramount, and those who hold another view are repeatedly censored and\/or villified is Indybay.org!!\r\n\r\nYes, its in the place where censorship is king, that they complain the loudest about NOT being able to criticize Israel.\r\n\r\nI don't see why this censorship is necessary. I mean no one is required to read any post. If you are sick of the messages of one Becky Johnson, for instance, then don't read her postings! Why is censorship needed? And isn't it hypocritical coming from a group that claims to be better than the corporate media in allowing freedom of speech?\r\n\r\nThe Resource Center for Nonviolence in Santa Cruz is one such "sacred cow" on Indybay.org. No one can post any comment critical of the organization. The last article posted garnered 65 comments, but only 8 were allowed to post---- seven of which were rants against Israel using vile insults and name-calling. One criticized ME by name, but anything I posted in response was removed. Then they mocked me for trying to post!\r\n \r\nHonestReporting.com regularly reports on bias AGAINST Israel in the regular media, so claims that corporate media bias is always in favor of Israel are untrue.\r\n\r\nI welcome open, honest, vigorous debate on this issue without the name-calling, censorship, and the smear jobs such as JA's campaign against me.\r\n\r\nWhy this issue cannot be discussed in normal tones of voice by reasonable people shows that there is still a lot of anti-Jewish bias among the leftists.","author":"Becky Johnson","parent_id":155447,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-05-06 13:37:17","modified":"2006-05-06 13:37:17","fileurl":""},{"id":156295,"heading":"Well said","article":"B. Johnson:\r\n"Yes, its [Indybay.org] in the place where censorship is king, that they complain the loudest about NOT being able to criticize Israel. \r\n\r\n"I don't see why this censorship is necessary. I mean no one is required to read any post. If you are sick of the messages of one Becky Johnson, for instance, then don't read her postings! Why is censorship needed? And isn't it hypocritical coming from a group that claims to be better than the corporate media in allowing freedom of speech? "\r\n\r\nProps to Johnson for articulating here what I said yesterday on Indybay. I'd just add that if one didn't know any better, one would conclude that the rabid anti-Zionist censors there are incapable of choosing which material they prefer to read, as if they're addicted to reading the opponents' posts, not so unlike how some people are addicted to gambling. They feign being weak, powerless victims of an endless pro-Israel PR campaign a-la the mythical mainstream media pro-Israel slant and at the same time practice draconian censorshop. ","author":"autoblocked @Indybay","parent_id":155447,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-05-06 14:12:41","modified":"2006-05-06 14:12:41","fileurl":""},{"id":156388,"heading":"Project Mockingbecky","article":"We could all guess that autoliar@LA would be there for Ms. BJ. She sure needs the encouragement after being shown what an insipid intellect and what a low threshold for truth she has. Just the perfect recruit for any zionazi.\r\nNow for a review of the weasel squad.\r\nthis bit was amusing\r\n\r\n-Shit Dog pal for his countless breaches of decorum and ethiquette.- \r\nLet me tell you that hurts. Really. No kidding. \r\n\r\n-Der Judenstaat.-\r\nOh, I thought hofjuden would be better for a descriptive phrase. \r\n\r\nThen there is the monkeyboy parrotbot which is a standard zionazi noise program.\r\nThese are the guardians of public opinion.\r\n\r\nHa ha ha ha ha ha...\r\n\r\n ","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":155447,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-05-07 13:22:43","modified":"2006-05-07 13:22:43","fileurl":""},{"id":156401,"heading":"gatekeeping","article":""one would conclude that the rabid anti-Zionist censors there are incapable of choosing which material they prefer to read, as if they're addicted to reading the opponents' posts, not so unlike how some people are addicted to gambling"\r\n\r\nIt's an interesting point. The basic idea of Indymedia was "no gatekeepers." But there are a few sites have decided instead to become a little gated community, sweeping any contrary opinions away as if they were The Wrong Kind of Ethnic trying to buy a house at Stonecreekhillhavenbridge Gated Golf Estates and Stables.\r\n\r\nThe vast majority of IMCs haven't gone rogue like this. But SF-IMC is a classic example of the Stonecreekhillhavenbridge Gated pseudo-IMC site. And Indybay, in the last six months, has similarly turned its back on the Open Publishing principle.\r\n\r\n@%<","author":"gehrig","parent_id":155447,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-05-07 14:45:20","modified":"2006-05-07 14:45:20","fileurl":""},{"id":156407,"heading":"Dog cranking up the Shit via goosestepping","article":"If anything, Johnson's intellect is supreme and the collision between you two always exposes you as a Palinazi smurf. You need to lash out more at her now that your "shadow" has shown you your real meager to non-existent stature as a contributor here. ","author":"autoblocked @Indybay","parent_id":155447,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-05-07 15:40:48","modified":"2006-05-07 15:40:48","fileurl":""},{"id":156422,"heading":"glad to hear it","article":"Good news\r\nIt was time that site at Indybay got rid of the Zioinists and their rants and forgeries.\r\nGood for them.","author":"Doser","parent_id":155447,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-05-07 17:51:54","modified":"2006-05-07 17:51:54","fileurl":""},{"id":156428,"heading":"Sheez, another towering intellectual","article":"This gleeful, overgeneralizing, apparently anti-Israel dude... never mind. \r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"autoblocked @Indybay","parent_id":155447,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-05-07 18:51:16","modified":"2006-05-07 18:51:16","fileurl":""},{"id":156430,"heading":" apparently anti-Israel dude","article":"Well yes... one without the kind of posters like auto here...\r\nA veritable tower of babble.","author":"doser","parent_id":155447,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-05-07 19:14:23","modified":"2006-05-07 19:14:23","fileurl":""}]}