{"article":{"id":145457,"heading":"Council minutes show Coyotl was cut off two minutes before 7 pm","author":"Duane J. Roberts","created":"2006-01-26 05:55:26","modified":"2006-01-28 06:02:15","last_modified":"Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:02:15","article":"\n

Hello everybody:

I'm writing this message to point out that the minutes

of the January 3rd meeting of the Costa Mesa City

Council were recently posted online by the City Clerk

and they clearly state the meeting began at 6:00 pm;

they also record that Mayor Allan Mansoor declared a

\"recess\" at 6:58 pm.

Check them out at the following link:

http:\/\/www.ci.costa-mesa.ca.us\/council\/minutes\/2006-01-03.pdf<\/a>

This document confirms what investigative journalist

John Earl, myself, and others have been saying all

along: that Mansoor not only abruptly cut off

Coyotl Tezcatlipoca about 40 seconds before his time

was up, but that he did it roughly two minutes before

the 7:00 pm \"deadline.\"

I should mention these minutes are \"unofficial,\"

meaning that they haven't been \"approved\" by the City

Council as of yet. Maybe they'll tinker with the

timeline a bit to mitigate the liability the

municipality faces in any future civil rights lawsuit

that will be filed against them? ;)

At the last meeting of the City Council, Mansoor

made a statement which supposedly rationalized the

reason why he behaved the way he did toward Coyotl. I

don't know if it was cleared by the City Attorney, but

it sure didn't help him at all; he dug himself into

a much deeper hole. His political grave, perhaps? ;)

Sincerely,

Duane J. Roberts

duaneroberts92804@yahoo.com<\/a>

FOR MORE INFO ABOUT THIS CASE:

Did Costa Mesa Police Chief John Hensley target a

civil rights activist?

http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/news\/2006\/01\/143755.php<\/a>

Costa Mesa Mayor Allan Mansoor puts choke-hold on

First Amendment in Immigrant Crackdown

http:\/\/ocorganizer.com\/html\/monsoor.html<\/a>

Razin' La Raza

http:\/\/www.ocweekly.com\/the-news\/news\/razin%27-la-raza_2006-01-19.html<\/a>

Letter of complaint filed against Costa Mesa Mayor

http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/news\/2006\/01\/144954.php<\/a>

Group seeks arrest probe

http:\/\/www.dailypilot.com\/front\/story\/35703p-52778c.html<\/a><\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","contact":"duaneroberts92804@yahoo.com","link":"","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/plain","summary":"The minutes of the January 3rd meeting of the Costa Mesa City Council were recently posted online by the City Clerk. Not only do they state the meeting began at 6:00 pm, but they record that Mayor Allan Mansoor declared a "recess" at 6:58 pm. This confirms what investigative journalist John Earl, myself, and others have been saying all along: that Mansoor abruptly cut off Coyotl Tezcatlipoca about 40 seconds before his time was up and he did it roughly two minutes before the 7:00 pm "deadline."","numcomment":11,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2006\/01\/145457.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":145463,"heading":"I can see the headlines now ...","article":"From a future issue of The Los Angeles Times:\r\n\r\n"Costa Mesa pays $1 million to activist arrested\r\nby Mayor on false criminal charges"\r\n","author":"Publius","parent_id":145457,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-26 08:04:34","modified":"2006-01-26 08:04:34","fileurl":""},{"id":145520,"heading":"Put up or shut up.","article":"Get your mighty lawsuit off the ground Duane or move on to something else.\r\n\r\nUnfortunately, your hot gas and puffery against Mansoor will go about as far as your threatened lawsuit against Gilchrist a while back.\r\n\r\n","author":"TheWatchdog","parent_id":145457,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-26 23:25:59","modified":"2006-01-26 23:25:59","fileurl":""},{"id":145562,"heading":"Re: Put up or shut up.","article":"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, 2006 at 3:25 PM writes, The Watchdog writes:\r\n\r\n> Get your mighty lawsuit off the ground\r\n> Duane or move on to something else. \r\n\r\nI'm not trying to say this in an insulting or condescending way, but you really don't know much about the law or how the criminal justice system works, do you? \r\n\r\nSince I wasn't the one who was falsely arrested on bogus charges at the Tuesday, January 3, 2006 meeting of the Costa Mesa City Council, I have no legal standing to file a lawsuit against Mayor Allan Mansoor, Police Chief John Hensley, or anybody else regarding this matter.\r\n\r\nThe only one who has a "cause of action" is Coyotl Tezcatlipoca. And right now, his attorneys (and yes, there are more than one) can't do much of anything until his February 3rd court date. They have to wait and see what the Orange County District Attorney's Office is going to do before making their next move.\r\n\r\nI'm sorry, but that's all I can tell you. \r\n\r\n> Unfortunately, your hot gas and puffery\r\n> against Mansoor will go about as far\r\n> as your threatened lawsuit against Gilchrist\r\n> a while back. \r\n\r\nWhat "hot gas and puffery"? \r\n\r\nOn January 17, 2006, I officially filed a "letter of complaint" on behalf of the Tonantzin Collective with the Costa Mesa City Attorney's Office asking them to open an investigation into Mansoor's conduct to determine whether or not he violated Section 2-60 of their municipal code. \r\n\r\nDon't you realize that I've set into motion the process by which a public official might be criminally prosecuted? This is a very serious matter. I actually had an attorney review the municipal code in question and the letter I wrote before submitting it to the City Attorney's Office.\r\n\r\nIn regards to Jim Gilchrist, I posted a message about the possibility of filing a slander lawsuit against him on la.indymedia.org and elsewhere awhile back just to see what kind of responses I'd get from it. In public relations terms, I floated what's called a "trial balloon."\r\n\r\nI decided not to file a lawsuit against Gilchrist partly because a number of friends pointed out he stuck his foot into his mouth everytime he talked about my involvement in the May 25th counterdemonstration at the Garden Grove Woman's Civic Club.\r\n\r\nOver the past year, Gilchrist has made so many incomprehensible, contradictory, and nonsensical statements about me that when you put them all together, they make him look like he should be committed to a state mental institution.\r\n\r\nAnd besides, his rambling attacks have given me an enormous amount of positive feedback from people all over the place. Why should I be opposed to that? I hope he keeps up the good work.\r\n\r\nSincerely,\r\n\r\nDuane J. Roberts\r\nduaneroberts92804@yahoo.com","author":"Duane J. Roberts","parent_id":145457,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-27 03:01:27","modified":"2006-01-27 03:01:27","fileurl":""},{"id":145581,"heading":"Okay","article":">Don't you realize that I've set into motion the process by which a public official might be criminally prosecuted? This is a very serious matter. I actually had an attorney review the municipal code in question and the letter I wrote before submitting it to the City Attorney's Office.\r\n\r\nCriminally prosecuted? You've got to be kidding! I think I know what Attorney you are talking about. \r\n\r\nThe only thing I see questionable on that tape is the way the police forced Benito out the door. A jury could see it as excessive force. As far as Mansoor is concerned, I see no wrongdoing on his part. You can lie and exaggerate about the details all you want but if a jury was to view the entire meeting on videotape, I am confident that they would see no wrongdoing on Mansoor's part. He was fair and impartial to both sides during the entire meeting. \r\n\r\nA lawsuit wouldn't surprise me, though. People sue about everything these days. The ACLU, SPLC, and MALDEF are open border ambulance chasers. Even if they couldn't win the case they would take it just to smear a public official with lies. Try and make an example out of him and silence others. It won't work though. People are fed up.\r\n\r\nMansoor stopped Benito 20 seconds short (or whatever you say it is) because he was disrupting the meeting. He didn't stop him because he was afraid of what Benito would say if he had that 20 seconds more to talk.\r\n\r\n","author":"TheWatchdog","parent_id":145457,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-27 08:03:45","modified":"2006-01-27 08:03:45","fileurl":""},{"id":145582,"heading":"Mansoor stopped Benito 20 seconds short ...","article":"because of his actions, not his words.\r\n\r\nBR--or Minutewoman--no wait, I'm BR--no you're not, I am\r\n\r\n","author":"Border Raven","parent_id":145457,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-27 08:19:42","modified":"2006-01-27 08:19:42","fileurl":""},{"id":145585,"heading":"Re: Okay","article":"n Thursday, Jan. 26, 2006 at 12:03 AM, TheWatchdog writes:\r\n\r\n> Duane J. Roberts wrote:\r\n\r\n>> Don't you realize that I've set into\r\n>> motion the process by which a public\r\n>> official might be criminally prosecuted?\r\n>> This is a very serious matter. I actually\r\n>> had an attorney review the municipal\r\n>> code in question and the letter I\r\n>> wrote before submitting it to the City\r\n>> Attorney's Office. \r\n\r\n> Criminally prosecuted? You've got to be kidding!\r\n\r\nNo, I'm not kidding. All I did was set into motion\r\nthe process where Mayor Allan Mansoor could be criminally\r\nprosecuted for violating a provision within the Costa\r\nMesa Municipal Code which regulates the conduct of\r\nmembers during council proceedings. Does that mean\r\nit will happen? I don't know.\r\n\r\nI seriously doubt the City Attorney would be fair\r\nand impartial in investigating this matter given that\r\nthe Mayor and other council members control their budget. But\r\nthat's the first place I have to go before I go\r\nelsewhere. I have to exhaust my "adminstrative\r\nremedies" before I consider heading off to some other\r\nagency. That is the protocol.\r\n\r\n> I think I know what Attorney you are talking about. \r\n\r\nYou'll find out eventually.\r\n\r\n> The only thing I see questionable on that tape is the\r\n> way the police forced Benito out the door. A jury could\r\n> see it as excessive force.\r\n\r\nIn my opinion, the amount of force that the three policemen\r\nused to "escort" Coyotl Tezcatlipoca out of Council Chambers\r\nwent way beyond that which was reasonable given the\r\ncircumstances. There was no need whatsoever for one\r\nof the officers to put his arm around Coyotl's neck and\r\nchoke him as he was being hauled outside. At least, that's\r\nwhat I observed. I'm not the only one who saw this.\r\n\r\n> As far as Mansoor is concerned, I see no wrongdoing\r\n> on his part. You can lie and exaggerate about the\r\n> details all you want but if a jury was to view the\r\n> entire meeting on videotape, I am confident that they\r\n> would see no wrongdoing on Mansoor's part. He was\r\n> fair and impartial to both sides during the entire\r\n> meeting. \r\n\r\nI don't really know if I agree with that assessment based on\r\nwhat I know.\r\n\r\n> A lawsuit wouldn't surprise me, though. People sue about\r\n> everything these days. The ACLU, SPLC, and MALDEF are open\r\n> border ambulance chasers. Even if they couldn't win the\r\n> case they would take it just to smear a public official\r\n> with lies. Try and make an example out of him and silence\r\n> others. It won't work though. People are fed up. \r\n\r\nBelieve me, there are very good grounds to take legal action \r\nin this case regardless of what you, I, or anybody else\r\nthinks about matters pertaining to "illegal immigration,"\r\nChocolate Ice Cream, Cabbage Patch dolls, or Britney\r\nSpears.\r\n\r\n> Mansoor stopped Benito 20 seconds short (or whatever\r\n> you say it is) because he was disrupting the meeting. He\r\n\r\nI don't care how many times you say it, but Coyotl did \r\nnot "disrupt" the meeting when he asked people in the audience\r\nto stand up. It's an activity that's repeated\r\nhundreds of times at public meetings across the United\r\nStates every year. It's gone on since the time American\r\ncolonists rebelled against King George.\r\n\r\nLike I said to you before, I'm one of several people who\r\nrecommended to Coyotl he use this tactic. Why? Because\r\nwe've done it before at a previous meeting of the Costa\r\nMesa City council. And it appears the exact same "rules"\r\nthat Mayor Mansoor used on January 3rd were in effect at\r\nthat time, too.*\r\n\r\nSincerely,\r\n\r\nDuane J. Roberts\r\nduaneroberts92804@yahoo.com\r\n\r\n\r\n* However, Mansoor was not serving on the Costa Mesa\r\nCity Council at that time. I believe Dixon was Mayor,\r\nif my memory serves me correctly.\r\n\r\n\r\n> didn't stop him because he was afraid of what Benito\r\n> would say if he had that 20 seconds more to talk. \r\n","author":"Duane J. Roberts","parent_id":145457,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-27 10:15:57","modified":"2006-01-27 10:15:57","fileurl":""},{"id":145586,"heading":"Re: Mansoor stopped Benito 20 seconds short ...","article":"Border Raven on Thursday, Jan. 26, 2006 at 12:19 AM writes:\r\n\r\n> because of his actions, not his\r\n> words. \r\n\r\nAnd what did he do illegal?\r\n\r\nDid Coyotl ask people in the audience to empty\r\nout their pockets of all the pennies they were carrying\r\nfor the purpose of throwing them in Mayor Mansoor's\r\ndirection?\r\n\r\nIf he had in fact done that, you might have had a case\r\nagainst him for disrupting a public meeting.\r\n\r\nSincerely,\r\n\r\nDuane J. Roberts\r\nduaneroberts92804@yahoo.com\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n> BR--or Minutewoman--no wait, I'm BR--no\r\n> you're not, I am \r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Duane J. Roberts","parent_id":145457,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-27 10:25:13","modified":"2006-01-27 10:25:13","fileurl":""},{"id":145640,"heading":"Get a life....","article":"You dopey fat slob.\r\n\r\nGovernment agencies have a right to implement reasonable rules, even for public gatherings. Somebody should tell this beaner and his mouthpiece that you can' walk into a court house, a legislature, a city council or whatever and just organize a demonstration or anything you want. Public expression in legislative and judicial proceedings is and has always has been strictly regulated. \r\n\r\nFile your dopey lawsuit if you think you have one. ","author":"UBE","parent_id":145457,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-28 01:09:39","modified":"2006-01-28 01:09:39","fileurl":""},{"id":145659,"heading":"Straighten out and fly right.","article":"You know UBE, when you use language like "beaner" everything else you say gets lost.\r\n\r\n","author":"TheWatchdog","parent_id":145457,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-28 04:29:56","modified":"2006-01-28 04:29:56","fileurl":""},{"id":145660,"heading":"mmm","article":"But when he uses words like that it shows us all again what you guys really are.. So thanks UBE!","author":"Pete Nice","parent_id":145457,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-28 04:32:16","modified":"2006-01-28 04:32:16","fileurl":""},{"id":145667,"heading":"Re: Get a life....","article":"> You dopey fat slob. \r\n>\r\n> Government agencies have a right to implement\r\n> reasonable rules, even for public gatherings.\r\n> Somebody should tell this beaner and his\r\n> mouthpiece that you can' walk into a court house,\r\n> a legislature, a city council or whatever and just\r\n> organize a demonstration or anything you want.\r\n> Public expression in legislative and judicial\r\n> proceedings is and has always has been strictly\r\n> regulated. \r\n>\r\n> File your dopey lawsuit if you think you have one. \r\n\r\nYour time is up, Mayor Mansoor ....\r\n","author":"YouQwakMeup","parent_id":145457,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-28 06:02:15","modified":"2006-01-28 06:02:15","fileurl":""}]}