{"article":{"id":144644,"heading":"SOS Coming to Burbank Saturday (1\/21)","author":"Next Move","created":"2006-01-18 00:02:12","modified":"2013-11-11 00:37:35","last_modified":"Mon, 11 Nov 2013 07:37:35","article":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><body><p>All pro-worker, pro-human rights activists are encouraged to come to the event on Saturday, January 21 to oppose the scape-goating, knee-jerk xenophobes Save Our State.  Counter-protesters will be assembling at the Home Depot location in Burbank at 7am.  The address is: 1125 South Flower St., Burbank, CA. <br>  <br>   <br>  <br> SOS made two appearances in nearby Glendale (1\/7\/06 and 12\/10\/05).  And it is rumored that they made a third appearance there as well as on in Burbank in recently. <br><br> In December SOS was outnumbered by a ratio of approximately 150 to 20 and in January they were outnumbered about 120-10.   <br><br> At the December event the SOS mini Fuhrer himself, Ventura&rsquo;s Joe Turner was arrested after instigating a pushing incident with three anti-racism activists in full view of several Glendale police officers forcing him to leave the protest shortly after it began and leaving his crew flailing and leaderless. <br><br> SOS is picking up steam in both their tactics and their language as members are openly discussing implementing actions involving the kidnapping of day laborers.  <br><br> A known SOS activists posts the following in regards to the kidnapping plans:  &ldquo;I have observed day labor sites, and it made me wonder, if anyone notices, if\/when the jornalero comes back to the same place.  The jornaleros, get in strange vehicles, expecting to go someplace, to work. The driver takes them to a location.&rdquo;   <br><br> <a href=\"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/news\/2006\/01\/143840_comment.php#144223\">http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/news\/2006\/01\/143840_comment.php#144223<\/a> <br>  <br>   <br>  <br> Posts on the SOS message board have also become increasingly irrational, even to the point of staging fake protests (which were quickly refuted by the sensible people here at la.indymedia.org).  It is simply more proof that the opposition is wearing them down. <br><br> <a href=\"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/news\/2006\/01\/143829.php\">http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/news\/2006\/01\/143829.php<\/a> <br><br> It is not known yet whether such a silly action could potentially endanger Save Our State&rsquo;s newly credited non-profit 501c3 status.   <br><br>  <br><br>  <br>  <br> ***********BELOW POSTED BY OldPreach (SOS top &ldquo;patriot&rdquo;)********** <br><br> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.saveourstate.org\/forums\/index.php?showtopic=7186\">http:\/\/www.saveourstate.org\/forums\/index.php?showtopic=7186<\/a> <br><br>  <br>  <br> Hello Patriots, America hating goons, Mexica movement revisionists, Law Enforcement officials (love ya ground level boots!), lurkers, and questioning individuals ! <br><br> We are once again taking our fight to the Black Gate of Mordor, aka the doorsteps of Home Depot. <br><br> Home Depot proudly supports racist, anti-American organizations and criminally violates federal laws prohibiting the aiding and abetting of illegal aliens through their sponsorship and funding of day labor centers throughout the country. <br><br> In Burbank, amid huge controversy and negative media attention, Home Depot, in full complicity with the City Council of Burbank, has opened and established a brand spanking new ' Temorary Skilled Worker Center', in violation of Federal Immigration Law Statutes. They didn't stop there. Home Depot also agreed to provide $100,000 a year in funding for this day labor center. <br><br> In Glendale, Home Depot helped the city establish a day labor center right across the street from its parking lot. In cooperation with the City and Catholic Charities, Home Depot donated materials and supplies and also agreed to fund the staff position. Their total investment appears to be well over $50,000 a year. <br><br> Just a few miles away in Cypress Park, Home Depot has allowed CHIRLA to establish a day labor center in their store parking lot. <br><br> Studies show that day laborers are overwhelmingly illegal aliens. The city of Burbank admitted such in their discussion of their day labor center. Clearly, Home Depot is aware that these center cater to illegal aliens. <br><br> Home Depot has partnered with and donated money to the National Council of La Raza. The National Council of La Raza advocates open borders, amnesty for illegal aliens, drivers' licenses and college tuition discounts for illegal aliens. <br><br> Clearly, the National Council of La Raza has an agenda that conflicts with the viewpoint of the majority of Americans. <br><br> Even more disconcerting is the fact that La Raza is inextricably linked to the militant and separatist organization, MEChA. MEChA openly calls for the liberation of the southwestern United States and do not discourage the use of violence to achieve these goals. <br><br> At the University of California, Riverside, MEChA hosted University of Texas professor Jose Angel Gutierrez. He is the founder of La Raza Unida and once stated: <br><br> \"We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him.\" <br><br> Imagine if Home Depot partnered with and contributed money to an organization that openly supported a white separatist group? Why do we tolerate this double standard? <br><br> We believe the public must be informed and educated about Home Depot's support for illegal immigration. Home Depot must be punished for these anti-American policies and affiliations! <br><br> Where: <br><br> Home Creepo\/Catholic Charities 'Temporary Skilled Worker Center'. <br><br> 1125 SOUTH Flower St. <br><br>  <br>  <br> DO NOT park inside the Black Gates of Home Depot. There is parking along Flower, and also the little side streets off of Flower St. TO THE SOUTH of the Creepo. <br><br> When: <br><br> Saturday, January 21st <br><br> 8am to 11 am <br>  <br> <\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","contact":"nextmove99@yahoo.com","link":"","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","summary":"All pro-worker, pro-human rights activists are encouraged to come to the event on Saturday, January 21 to oppose the scape-goating, knee-jerk xenophobes Save Our State.  ","numcomment":49,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/2006\/01\/sos_in_baldwin_park.jpg","filesize":"34.7 kibibytes","article_url":"\/news\/2006\/01\/144644.php","image":{"original":"\/uploads\/2006\/01\/sos_in_baldwin_park.jpg","small":"\/uploads\/2006\/01\/sos_in_baldwin_park.jpgthumb.jpg"}},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":144659,"heading":"Crazy.","article":"Kidnapping!  Bwa ha ha ha!  How do you folks at Indy Media consistently top yourselves with new lies and colorful propaganda?  Amazing stuff.  You guys should write for Weekly World News.\r\n\r\nAnyway, I hope to see all of you there.  We couldn't have a successful protest without you.  Unfortunately, I think the Burbank police will handle things differently than they do in Glendale so we won't be able to get up close and personal.","author":"TheWatchdog","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-18 03:55:11","modified":"2006-01-18 03:55:11","fileurl":""},{"id":144660,"heading":"To all my fans...","article":"I love you...all the 'little people' that made this possible ! God bless you as you 'wear us down' ! I am just ready to throw in the towel in front of all 5 of you that read this screwy lunatic fringe message board and 'news service'.\r\n\r\nPlz feel welcome to come to Burbank in an 'organized and military' fashion to oppose us. You might just make us go away for good ! Oh, that is, after another dozen or so interviews that  I will do in front you , my fans that know my name, but I for some reason know NONE of your names !\r\n\r\nAlso, plz feel free to give me a call, as some of you just seem completely depressed ! Alvaro Maldonado was just not himself at the last protest, acting very aggressive and spewing all kinds of vulgarity at everyone that even came near  him. Also, Leslie Radford snubbed me, just walking right by me as I tried to talk to her. Hey, just trying to be friendly !\r\n\r\nI think we need to bring you guys a few gifts to cheer you up ! We would never want to make you unhappy becuzz we really enjoy your presence at our events !\r\n\r\nAgain, thank you ! Keep those cards and letters coming !","author":"Don Silva","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-18 04:02:48","modified":"2006-01-18 04:02:48","fileurl":""},{"id":144661,"heading":"Bring Marvin! We want Marvin","article":"We Want Marvin","author":"Morelee","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-18 04:08:17","modified":"2006-01-18 04:08:17","fileurl":""},{"id":144666,"heading":"Operation Infiltrate the S.O.S. to Begin","article":"Middle Aged Gringos are planning to infiltrate the S.O.S.  Over the next month, all S.O.S. cells will be infiltrated.  Convincing cover stories are being constructed along with documentation backing up the covers.  Over the next months we will obtain personal information on the lives, connections, friendships, and places of work of all S.O.S. members and begin targeting their places of employment and residences with protest activities.","author":"Calling all Middle Aged Gringos","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-18 04:47:33","modified":"2006-01-18 04:47:33","fileurl":""},{"id":144669,"heading":"Operation Infiltrate?","article":"You would have better luck &quot;infiltrating&quot; me with a young attractive Latina!  ","author":"TheWatchdog","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-18 05:24:40","modified":"2006-01-18 05:24:40","fileurl":""},{"id":144671,"heading":"mmm","article":"Maybe we'll send one...","author":"Johnny","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-18 05:36:54","modified":"2006-01-18 05:36:54","fileurl":""},{"id":144673,"heading":"Yes ! WE WANT MARVIN !!!","article":"He needs to get the riot helmet back tho ! His new ' cool look ' has got to go !\r\n\r\nOh, btw, if they were going to try and infiltrate, they sure would not be announcing it here! LOL !","author":"Don Silva","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-18 06:29:38","modified":"2006-01-18 06:29:38","fileurl":""},{"id":144678,"heading":"Threats","article":"Gotta love how Chicano racist goons post threats right here on their own site.  Got all this clap-trap saved for future legal action.\r\n\r\nFor the record, I work at the big ARCO building in LA. Feel free to follow me there one morning and stage a protest out front. :)","author":"Hellfire USA","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-18 07:26:38","modified":"2006-01-18 07:26:38","fileurl":""},{"id":144679,"heading":"??","article":"Where was the threat, Hellfire??  is this another example of an imagined enemy and an active imagination gon wrong?","author":"pete nice","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-18 07:37:50","modified":"2006-01-18 07:37:50","fileurl":""},{"id":144754,"heading":"LOL!  How amusing","article":"So the remaining ragtag residue of the SOSMM is going to try it once more time?  <ROFL!>  So much for Pavlovian conditioning, huh?  <smirk>\r\n\r\nThis should be amusing.\r\n\r\nMy opinions only and only my opinions.\r\n","author":"Fredric L. Rice","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-18 20:26:41","modified":"2006-01-18 20:26:41","fileurl":""},{"id":144769,"heading":"Hearts and Minds","article":"&quot;Eighty-one percent of Republicans say that the immigration issue is somewhat or very important. That view is shared by sixty-nine percent of Democrats and seventy-five percent of Independents. \r\nRasmussen Reports, November 7, 2005 &quot;\r\n\r\n&quot;Fifty-six percent of Americans polled say illegal immigration is doing more to hurt than help the United States.&quot;  TNS \/ Washington Post \/ ABC News via Angus Reid Global Scan, December 15-18, 2005\r\n\r\n&quot;Fifty-six percent of Republicans and fifty-one percent of Independents support proposals to end birthright citizenship (automatic granting of citizenship to the U.S.-born children of illegal aliens). Overall, 49% of those polled support such a policy.\r\nRasmussen Reports, November 7, 2005 &quot;\r\n\r\n&quot;81 percent of Californians polled said they are concerned about illegal immigration. Of those, 49% are \u201cextremely concerned.\u201d\r\nField Poll, September, 2005\r\n\r\n&quot;Forty-four percent of the total U.S. Hispanic population says immigrants are a burden on the U.S.\r\nPew Hispanic Center poll, August 2005&quot;\r\n\r\n91 percent of those polled believe that illegal immigration is a serious problem.\r\nOpinion Dynamics Poll for Fox News, April 25-26, 2005\r\n\r\nBlack Americans oppose (49 to 43 percent) an amnesty for illegal aliens from Mexico, saying it is a &quot;bad idea&quot; or a &quot;very bad idea.&quot;\r\nZogby Poll, September 2001 \r\n\r\nThese are just some of the polls. So who's winning?  Polls suggest SOS MMP however the President,  the Senate, and business suggest indymedia groups.\r\n\r\nSo how ill it all play out?\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Confused","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-18 23:14:03","modified":"2013-11-11 00:37:36","fileurl":""},{"id":144774,"heading":"We've already infiltrated Don Silva's church","article":"We've already infiltrated your favorite church:\r\n\r\n&quot;The Glorious Church&quot;\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.gloriouschurch.com\/\r\n\r\nI can't believe some of the rumor's I've heard about you there.  Really hot stuff!","author":"Center for the Infiltration of Dickheads","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-18 23:58:09","modified":"2006-01-18 23:58:09","fileurl":""},{"id":144775,"heading":"You do play chess, don't you Don?","article":"We've joined up there too.","author":"Watching","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-19 00:00:20","modified":"2006-01-19 00:00:20","fileurl":""},{"id":144776,"heading":"Center for the Infiltration of Dickheads","article":"Sounds like a place where Appeasers gather en masse and bend over.","author":"Sheepdung","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-19 00:01:30","modified":"2006-01-19 00:01:30","fileurl":""},{"id":144783,"heading":"Fred","article":"How come you never come out to show your support for illegal aliens?  ","author":"TheWatchdog","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-19 01:41:24","modified":"2006-01-19 01:41:24","fileurl":""},{"id":144827,"heading":"Are you sure?","article":"The last protest had you all protesting yourselfs. Or were you protesting Home Depot customers. Rumor has it they may be a day early or was it two days later or was it that day + or was it - 24 hours...Hmmm I guess I'll have to check my secret decoder ring. Have fun.\r\nSincerly,\r\nLMFAO","author":"LMFAO","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-19 03:47:45","modified":"2006-01-19 03:47:45","fileurl":""},{"id":144847,"heading":"Home Creepo","article":"I cant wait to see the looks on the faces of the Home Depot employees when they see the gaggle of communist \/ insurgent  litter that is Indy Media show up in front of their store.  That alone should be enough to convince them that building illegal alien havens is really STUPID and unethical.  No business in their right mind wants that sort of element buzzing around their establishment.\r\n\r\nRock on SOS.  I am way out here in Redlands but if I can get my butt outta bed in time I am coming down to support you guys. \r\n","author":"King Allen the Destroyer","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-19 07:56:56","modified":"2006-01-19 07:56:56","fileurl":""},{"id":144870,"heading":"lazy american","article":"&quot;but if I can get my butt outta bed in time I am coming down to support you guys. &quot;\r\n  \r\n    we won't be seeing that guy..  most &quot;real Americans&quot; are too lazy to get off their butts and do anything except work and shop.  That guys comment illustrates it perfectly.","author":"pete nice","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-19 16:47:17","modified":"2006-01-19 16:47:17","fileurl":""},{"id":144879,"heading":"Popularity is irrelevent","article":"> &quot;Eighty-one percent of Republicans say that the \r\n> immigration issue is somewhat or very important. \r\n> That view is shared by sixty-nine percent of \r\n> Democrats and seventy-five percent of \r\n> Independents.  Rasmussen Reports, November 7, \r\n> 2005 &quot; \r\n\r\nOver 40% of Americans believe that there are flying saucers that are visiting the Earth.  Of those people, over 30% believe that they're abducting people and conducting medical probes on them.\r\n\r\nAt last examination, 47% of Americans believe the Bush regime's treasonous lies that Saddm was responsible for Saudi Arabia's attacks in New York.\r\n\r\nAt least 40% of the people in America believe that astrology is a real science.  About that same percentage also think that evolution doesn't happen some how.\r\n\r\nIn many parts of the country, the majority of voters have voted their Christofascist hatred against gays -- and for many of them against themselves.\r\n\r\nThe point being that it's irrelevent what the majority think and what the minority think.  What's relevent is what's morally and ethically right and wrong, and whether the United States really is a country where human rights is a higher ideal or not.\r\n\r\nAs it stands now, under the thumb of this mass murdering Christian fascism, hate holds sway.  The Constitution and Bill of Rights have been nullified by this terrorist regime's &quot;USA PATRIOT Act.&quot;  And minor thinks like human rights and international laws are meaningless to this Christofascist regime.\r\n\r\nMy opinions only and only my opinions.\r\n\r\n","author":"Fredric L. Rice","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-19 19:49:29","modified":"2006-01-19 19:49:29","fileurl":""},{"id":144880,"heading":"&lt;rofl!> Amusing","article":"> How come you never come out to show \r\n> your support for illegal aliens? \r\n\r\nHow amusing.  This guy must be a Republican.\r\n\r\nHere's a clue: I'm against illegal immigration.  The reason why I'm not standing with you people is because I'm also not a white supremacist.\r\n\r\nHope that helps answer your Repuiblican question.\r\n\r\nMy opinions only and only my opinions.\r\n","author":"Fredric L. Rice","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-19 19:56:57","modified":"2006-01-20 07:59:00","fileurl":""},{"id":144903,"heading":"SOS is now on Wikipedia","article":"the folks over at SOS put an article about themselves om Wikipedia, the internet encyclopedia. In the interest of full disclosure, I added the links from the SOS demonstration in Laguna Beach. I hope everyone (SOS and the counters) is pleased.\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Save_Our_State\r\n\r\n\r\nexternal links from Indymedia:\r\n\r\n    http:\/\/www.la.indymedia.org\/news\/2005\/07\/133898.php\r\n    http:\/\/www.la.indymedia.org\/news\/2005\/07\/133802.php\r\n","author":"Rockero420","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-19 23:47:01","modified":"2006-01-19 23:47:01","fileurl":""},{"id":144924,"heading":"I'm also not a white supremacist.","article":"I'm also not a white supremacist. \r\n\r\nI fight racism.\r\n\r\nI am registered Independent, and vote for the better candidate, not self interests.\r\n\r\nI support and defend the Constituion of the USA.\r\n\r\n","author":"Border Raven","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-20 03:15:43","modified":"2006-01-20 03:15:43","fileurl":""},{"id":144931,"heading":"external links","article":"Rockero, the external links are gone.  SOS is afraid of the truth.","author":"pete nice","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-20 03:59:28","modified":"2006-01-20 03:59:28","fileurl":""},{"id":144933,"heading":"Oh no! I am so scared now !","article":"Considering all this information was known LONG ago on this site, your 'infiltration' is really scaring me ! ","author":"Don Silva","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-20 04:03:46","modified":"2006-01-20 04:03:46","fileurl":""},{"id":144938,"heading":"Church and Chess! That Silva looks like a real","article":"menace to society.\r\n\r\nWhere you Indy Stalkers going to follow him next? The Post Office? Stater Brothers?","author":"Moreleigh","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-20 04:33:22","modified":"2006-01-20 04:33:22","fileurl":""},{"id":144939,"heading":"Me Either","article":"I'm not a white supremacist either.  Nor have I ever stood next to one at an SOS protest.  \r\n\r\nI'm an Independent.  Although I have voted Republican in local and state elections, I voted for Kerry, Gore, and Clinton for President.\r\n\r\nI support gay marriage, a woman's right to choose, stem cell research, capitol punishment, and casual Fridays.\r\n\r\nI oppose corporate globalism, the Bush administration, the war in Iraq, the religious right, and McDonald's Happy Meals.\r\n\r\n","author":"TheWatchdog","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-20 04:37:00","modified":"2006-01-20 04:37:00","fileurl":""},{"id":144942,"heading":"Disgusting Racist","article":"Pictures\r\n","author":"Daisy","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2006-01-20 04:44:51","modified":"2006-01-20 04:44:51","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2006\/01\/discustingracist.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2006\/01\/discustingracist.jpg"}},{"id":144943,"heading":"I will be there FOR SURE","article":"Thanks for the extra incentive Pete &quot;Nice&quot;.  That is all I needed to read to ensure I get there nice and early to shout down your communist perverts.\r\n\r\n","author":"King Allen the Destroyer","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-20 04:46:17","modified":"2006-01-20 04:46:17","fileurl":""},{"id":144948,"heading":"you won't","article":"you won't be there... guaranteed!  SOS has 10 die hards and that's it.","author":"pete nice","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-20 05:16:35","modified":"2006-01-20 05:16:35","fileurl":""},{"id":144949,"heading":"10 die-hards?","article":"Methinks you are in for a big surprise on Sat.","author":"King Allen the Destroyer","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-20 05:19:22","modified":"2006-01-20 05:19:22","fileurl":""},{"id":144955,"heading":"yeah 10","article":"i've counted...","author":"Pete Nice","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-20 05:42:02","modified":"2006-01-20 05:42:02","fileurl":""},{"id":144956,"heading":"Die hard XI","article":"It only takes one Pete.....\r\nTen diehards in one spot is equal to a thousand or so of our opponents.","author":"AyatollahGondola","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-20 05:49:13","modified":"2006-01-20 05:49:13","fileurl":""},{"id":144959,"heading":"Joey Turner for Prezident","article":"If ten of you equals a thousand of us, hey, then come on back to Baldwin Park ;-)","author":"Watcale","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2006-01-20 06:04:07","modified":"2006-01-20 06:04:07","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2006\/01\/adios.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2006\/01\/adios.jpg"}},{"id":144961,"heading":"AyatollahGondola","article":"Aren't you the dummy that drove down to Sacramento for the Alhambra protest?   If so, your comments can't be taken seriously.","author":"pete nice","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-20 06:11:18","modified":"2006-01-20 06:11:18","fileurl":""},{"id":144962,"heading":"ratio","article":" &quot;Ten diehards in one spot is equal to a thousand or so of our opponents.&quot;\r\n\r\nI guess we'll call it a draw because that's usually the ratio that SOS is outnumbered.","author":"pete nice","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-20 06:12:38","modified":"2006-01-20 06:12:38","fileurl":""},{"id":144963,"heading":"The Bible says...","article":"&quot;one can put a thousand to FLIGHT, and  two, then thousand...&quot;\r\n\r\nPrimitive thinkers always think its about numbers when it comes to their opposition at any rate. \r\n\r\nWe have always stated that it is not about our numbers, hence you never hear us saying things like... 'someday we will match y ou.'  and the like.\r\n\r\nPrimitive, tribalistic, ignorant, propagandized, and racist are all words that come to mind when I think of the goons. Many others do also, like sad, pathetic, lost, and needy....for God mostly.","author":"Don Silva","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-20 06:13:37","modified":"2006-01-20 06:13:37","fileurl":""},{"id":144964,"heading":"we'll never hear it","article":"We'll never hear SOS say they'll show up with big numbers because they can't, you guys will be lucky to have 15 in Burbank and you know it.  \r\n\r\nBTW, some words that come to mind when I think of SOS: reactionary, divisive, hateful, short-sighted, racist, fear-based...\r\n\r\nLove your neighbor, donnie, come over to our side.  It's what the bible tells you..\r\n\r\n","author":"pete nice","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-20 06:21:06","modified":"2006-01-20 06:21:06","fileurl":""},{"id":144965,"heading":"In need of &quot;god&quot; like all &quot;savages&quot;","article":"  Don makes it clear. In his view we are savages, in nned of god, in need of conquest, and white civilization had better purge itself of us lest we contaminate it. Hitler-esque thinking, in a nutshell. \r\n\r\nWell, Don has his morality tales and we have ours...\r\n\r\nThe following is a moral lesson, not a threat...\r\n\r\n  &quot;I was told that after the battle, two Cheyenne women came across Custer's body. They knew him, because he had attacked their peaceful village on the Washita. These women said, &quot;You smoked the peace pipe with us. Our chiefs told you that you would be killed if you ever made war on us again. But you would not listen. This will make you hear better.&quot; The women each took an awl from their beaded cases and stuck them deep into Custer's ears.\r\n\r\n   &quot; Somebody who saw this told me about it...Hundreds of books have been written about this battle by people who weren't there. I was there, but all I remember is one big cloud of dust.&quot;\r\n\r\n    Good Fox (Lakota) ","author":"Ixachilanka","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-20 06:39:35","modified":"2006-01-20 06:39:35","fileurl":""},{"id":144967,"heading":"Oh, I forgot a few things.","article":"First, what  would you guys know about the Bible ??? Ever bother to read it from cover to cover ? Or, study it over time on a regular basis ? \r\n\r\nOh, primitve tribalists also think in terms of the past being the present, and BLAME the people of today for what happened before they were even born ! This is what makes you guys true racists...you blame me for what bloody Custer did ! That is laffable man...come up to today, and stop hating me for what some white guy did a thousand years ago. NO ONE will ever take you seriously if you do not.\r\n\r\nI acutally agree with you Mexica guys on your historical points. Who would not? But, when you say that I need to 'go back' to Europe, when I have never even been there, you lose me,and everyone else for that matter. Also, caring what race I am is truly sad. It is the very definition of racism to care about what someone is when they can not control the family they were born in ! Talk about bitterness ! You guys are bitter for things that NONE OF US HAND A HAND IN, INCLUDING YOURSELVES !\r\n\r\nGet a grip, get a life, get with reality, and you will find many more allies than you think.","author":"Don Silva","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-20 07:13:21","modified":"2006-01-20 07:13:21","fileurl":""},{"id":144969,"heading":"actually","article":"I think Custer was killing Indians about 130 years ago, not 1000 years ago.  \r\n\r\nSecond, the bible is used and misused to support arguments from all different perspectives.  So actually using a book that was written 2000-3000 years ago to try to argue points that are relevant today is really the foolish thing.  ","author":"pete nice","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-20 07:44:46","modified":"2006-01-20 07:44:46","fileurl":""},{"id":144971,"heading":"East L.A.","article":"don, is that the only book you read? by reading your book donn, I think Jesus was a communist. i dont see jesus scapegoating people. Why do u scapegoating (using your words) illegal aliens? ","author":"Maru","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-20 07:53:04","modified":"2006-01-20 07:53:04","fileurl":""},{"id":144972,"heading":"East Los Angeles","article":"why don u goto east los angeles? I bet you are chicken shits. ","author":"Maru","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-20 07:54:56","modified":"2006-01-20 07:54:56","fileurl":""},{"id":144973,"heading":"East LA?","article":"2507 E 4th St, Los Angeles, CA?\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Border Raven","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-20 08:20:25","modified":"2006-01-20 08:20:25","fileurl":""},{"id":144983,"heading":"WE ARE ALL A PART OF IT","article":"Don Silva wrote:\r\n\r\n&quot;Talk about bitterness ! You guys are bitter for things that NONE OF US HAND A HAND IN, INCLUDING YOURSELVES !&quot;\r\n\r\nYou're wrong, Don, historicaly and politically wrong.  The conquest and its attendant genocide continue to this day, and we are all part of it, on one side or the other. See below. See who your tagets are. And weep, if you have a shred of your soul left to weep with...\r\n\r\nfrom\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.soychicano.com\/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=811\r\n\r\nPart 3  The Migrants: Targets of Genocide\r\n\r\n\u201dOne of the byproducts of fear is the constant need for scapegoats. The prospects of permanent war requires the stoking and exacerbation of those fears. Enter \u201cillegal aliens\u201d and we have a dangerous confluence. The future threat is not from bigots per se\u2026 but rather from the codification and expansion of illegal and subhuman categories.\u201d \u2013Patrisia Gonzales and Roberto Rodr\u00edguez\r\n\r\n\u201cThere is nothing in these lands we walk upon whose foundation is not indigenous. For society to continue to act otherwise is to continue the practice of cultural genocide.\u201d - ibid\r\n\r\n----------\r\n\r\n\r\nOver the latter half of the twentieth century, the genocidal Guatemalan state, backed by the US, slaughtered more than two hundred thousand Mayan Indians, demonstrating in stark relief the connection between white nationalism, state power, ethnic identity, fascistic protestant fundamentalism, and political violence.\r\n\r\nDuring the 14 month reign of Efrain Rios Montt, who counts among his closest \u201cprayer friends\u201d Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, the Guatemalan state annihilated some 600 Mayan villages and carried out other mass atrocities against Mayan communities they accused of sympathizing with leftist guerillas, including the rape of women and girls, and widespread torture.\r\n\r\nFrom 1981 to 1983 alone, approximately 100,000 people, mostly Mayans, were killed or &quot;disappeared&quot; by the army and death squads. Between 500,000 and 1.5 million were displaced, fleeing to other regions within Guatemala or seeking safety in Mexico or the US.\r\n\r\nTens of thousands of Mayans, fled to Los Angeles. Millions of others from the region fled fascism, genocide and US imposed poverty. \r\n\r\nRonald Reagan's covert and dirty war against Nicaragua caused 14,000 casualties. He correctly, but inadvertently, called the US financed Contra death squads \u201cthe moral equivalent of America's founding fathers.\u201d \r\n\r\nAs he prepared options to invade Nicaragua, his contingency plans included the roundup of 400,000 migrants from south of the US border, and their incarceration in \u201cdetention camps.\u201d He feared revolution would spread from Nicaragua through Mexico to the US. \r\n\r\nIn El Salvador, populated largely by descendants of the Pipil Indians \u2013 a group related to the Mexica and Hopi peoples - right wing death squads funded by the US killed 30,000 people between 1979 and 1981 alone, as the migrations north to the US began in earnest throughout the region. Ultimately 70,000 died. This is the story of untold numbers of migrants from Mexico and Central America. They were driven here by US sponsored terror and poverty enforced by US led capitalist institutions like the World Bank and the International Monetary fund.\r\n\r\nRightist political factions in El Salvador and elsewhere viewed the death squads as legitimate &quot;counterterrorists,&quot; in the face of a leftist insurgency, much as the Minutemen and SOS legitimize themselves through resort to fears of a Chican@ led \u201creconquista\u201d of the US Southwest.\r\n\r\nWhile developments toward a US-style Christian fascism may surprise the white left in the US, they come as no surprise to the migrant populations here, nor to the African and Chican@ communities which bear the weight of mass incarceration \u2013 the highest incarceration rates in the world \u2013 as they once bore the weight of white lynchings.\r\n\r\nNor can they be a surprise to the radical Native American population. The FBI \u2013 backed G.O.O.N. Squads (domestic death squads) on the Lakota reservation in the 1970s killed American Indian Movement supporters at a rate comparable to the death rate in fascist Chile following the Pincochet coup.\r\n\r\nThe movement toward fascism in the White House, the racist targeting of migrants, and the suppression of dissent have been elements of the far right\u2019s agenda for decades now. \r\n\r\nOnce, the US focused on funding torture states and training their Inquisitors in places like the infamous School of the Americas. Today, the US itself is rapidly becoming what it once sponsored. What it practiced on the native peoples of Guatemala and elsewhere is now routine in the US prisons of Iraq and Guantanamo. The middleman has been eliminated. \r\n\r\nThe moral equivalent of the fascist Christian fanatic Rios Montt, who carried out the anti-Mayan genocide, is found in the Christian fascists who hold power in Washington today, and in their racist shock troops - like SOS and the Minutemen. Even their target is the same.\r\n\r\n","author":"Tlacatl","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-20 10:27:54","modified":"2013-11-11 00:37:37","fileurl":""},{"id":145048,"heading":"Mr. Pete Nice:","article":"I re-entered those links in the &quot;talk back&quot; section of Wikipedia\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Talk:Save_Our_State#external_links\r\n\r\nI hope everybody likes it!","author":"ROCKERO420","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-21 03:45:51","modified":"2006-01-21 03:45:51","fileurl":""},{"id":146312,"heading":"weirdness..","article":"thank you \r\nMembraino\r\n\r\nI have no clue as to \r\nwhy your previous post\r\n(jan 20 '05 &quot; ..Geronimo's family... &quot;)\r\nwould be HIDDEN\r\nyou spoke the trueth\r\n.... right on !\r\n\r\n","author":"canat","parent_id":144644,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-02-04 21:38:34","modified":"2006-02-04 21:38:34","fileurl":""}]}