{"article":{"id":144397,"heading":"March for Immigrant Rights","author":"Marino","created":"2006-01-15 02:50:09","modified":"2006-01-17 17:21:53","last_modified":"Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:21:53","article":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><body><p>WE NEED YOU TO SHOW YOUR PRESENCE  AND COME  OUT THIS SATURDAY  IF YOU  <br>  <br> BELIEVE IN THE DIGNITY OF WORKING CLASS PEOPLE  STRUGGLING  FOR A BETTER LIFE!!!  <br>  <br> MARCH FOR THE LOVE OF HUMANITY AND AGAINST  THE FACIST BORDER PATROL! <br>  <br>   <br>  <br> LEVANTEMOS LA DIGNIDAD Y RECHAZEMOS LA BRUTALIDAD  ASESINA DE LA MIGRA Y LOS  <br>  <br> DEMENTES RACISTAS. ORGANIZATE PUEBLO.  <br>  <br>   s t o p      t h  e     m i n u t e         men! <br>  <br>   <br>  <br> WHEN:     SATURDAY\/SABADO 1-14-06 <br>  <br> WHERE: OLYMPIC &amp;  BROADWAY (In Los Angeles) <br>  <br> TIME: 10:00  AM    <br>  <br>   <br>  <br> WE WILL MARCH TO THE  FEDERAL BUILDING ON TEMPLE AND LOS ANGELES. <br>  <br> MARCHAMOS HACIENDO CONCIENCIA HASTA EL EDIFICIO  FEDERAL. <br>  <br> FOR MORE INFO..... 626  806-4686 (323)854-2060 <br>  <br>   <br>  <br>   <br>  <br> SPONSORED BY:  <br>  <br> THE ANTI-MINUTEMEN WATCH  NETWORK, ANSWER COALITION <br>  <br> THE DAYLABORERS OF SAN GABRIEL JORNALEROS DEL  VALLE DE SAN GABRIEL. <br>  <br> FUPA <br>  <br> <\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","contact":"lacomite@aol.com","link":"http:\/\/vocesdelibertad.blogspot.com","address":"","phone":"(626) 806-4686","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/plain","summary":"MARCH IN MEMORY OF OUR  BROTHER..GUILLERMO MARTINEZ SHOT A KILLED BY THE USA BORDER PATROL  DEC.30-2005\r\n \r\nprocesion en memoria de Guillermo Martinez asesinado  por la migra el 30 de \r\nDiciembre 2005\r\n","numcomment":26,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2006\/01\/144397.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":144414,"heading":"Latin American rights.","article":"If you put a 1\/4 of your efforts marching against the corrupt governments in latin america, I believe the latin american countries might  be a little better off and so would its citizens. Think about it.","author":"Cofused","parent_id":144397,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-15 05:00:50","modified":"2006-01-15 05:00:50","fileurl":""},{"id":144466,"heading":"U.S. and Latin American Rights","article":"&quot;Corrupt governments&quot; in Latin America are already being dealt with through social movements that are given short-shrift in the mainstream news media.  Mexicans already know that Fox es un pinche mamon y lambiscon (i.e. a major suck-ass) con su novio Jorge Bush.  The struggle here is the struggle over there.  Its a matter of doing something about it and raising awareness, which is the purpose of protest, and has been more sucessful lately than some can admit.  Why do you think big brother has been watching all along to being with?","author":"let me alleviate your &quot;cofusion&quot;","parent_id":144397,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-15 22:02:08","modified":"2006-01-15 22:02:08","fileurl":""},{"id":144475,"heading":"March for Immigrant Rights? Not!","article":"Is it a march for immigrant rights, or a march for MEXICAN rights? \r\n\r\nIt seems to me you are too quick to march, in support of an illegal alien, human smuggler, rock thrower, who was rightfully downed, by an employee of the US taxpayers. Yes, we pay taxes, so our borders will be protected.\r\n\r\nYou will march is support of that piece of shit, but won't say a word about the ninas, kidnapped into sexual slavery, then smuggled by that piece of shit, to service the illegal immigrant farm workers.\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.loscristeros.org\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Border Raven","parent_id":144397,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-16 01:55:38","modified":"2006-01-16 01:55:38","fileurl":""},{"id":144505,"heading":"Rock vs. Bullet at 16 feet?","article":"The dude was shot in the back at short range, after throwing a rock at the BP agent and fleeing.\r\n\r\nJust play that scene back in your mind.  The agent comes up to the guy.  They exchange some words.  The guy picks up a stone and chucks it at the agent.  Then he makes a run for it.  The agent draws his gun, maybe says &quot;stop&quot;, and then blows a hole in his back at around eight paces.\r\n\r\nEveryone involved knows the dude is outgunned.  That's a given.  So the agent, knowing this, makes the decision to blow him away before he's so far that he's hard to hit.","author":"johnk","parent_id":144397,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-16 11:34:55","modified":"2006-01-16 11:34:55","fileurl":""},{"id":144514,"heading":"Any warning shots?","article":"Did the BP agent just aim and fire?\r\nWow.","author":"Interested","parent_id":144397,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-16 16:49:24","modified":"2006-01-16 16:49:24","fileurl":""},{"id":144519,"heading":"Were you there?","article":"This to me is the most puzzling aspect of conjecture and assumption. Unless you where involved, you know nothing of the facts.\r\n\r\nStatement 1... Border officer said suspect grabbed his arm and ran back into Mexico.\r\n\r\nConflicting statement 2... Mexican officials say a man died of a gunshot wound to the back in a TJ hospital.\r\n\r\nKnown  fact 1, Dead victim is known human smuggler.\r\n\r\nKnown fact 2,  Border agents are routinely attacked.\r\n\r\nKnown fact 3, They are the law on US soil. (US soil, does that anger you Mexica?)\r\n\r\n","author":"Quizling","parent_id":144397,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-16 17:12:24","modified":"2006-01-16 17:12:24","fileurl":""},{"id":144523,"heading":"Any warning shots?","article":"The Rules of Engagement governing a soldier in battle, state that if the enemy is attacking you, then you don't need to either ask permission from higher authority to return fire, or fire a warning shot before returning fire.\r\n\r\n","author":"Border Raven","parent_id":144397,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-16 17:34:21","modified":"2006-01-16 17:34:21","fileurl":""},{"id":144530,"heading":"I luv this","article":"Rules of engagement with a fleeing rock thrower?\r\nWow.\r\nThis isn't Israel, you know.","author":"Heck","parent_id":144397,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-16 19:08:16","modified":"2006-01-16 19:08:16","fileurl":""},{"id":144541,"heading":"I asked this on another thread...","article":"...but nobody hooked a brother up.\r\n\r\nCan anyone quote and link for me the basic human right to enter the United States in violation of established immigration law, and why said right trumps said law?","author":"daveman","parent_id":144397,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-16 21:44:41","modified":"2006-01-16 21:44:41","fileurl":""},{"id":144565,"heading":"A conflict was reported.","article":"No, a conflict was reported.\r\n\r\nHowever, put yourself into each persons' shoes.  The Mexican guy didn't think the agent would shoot.  The US agent probably knew he could outgun the Mexican guy.\r\n\r\nProbably, the normal thing that happens is that the border crossers run away, and get away.  The agents don't shoot, or they don't shoot to kill, or they use other methods to arrest (or the crossers just get arrested and deported without resistance).  Having a shoot-to-kill policy would be a diplomatic and legal nightmare.\r\n\r\nI wonder if the &quot;11 arrests&quot; charge will be researched and verified.  That sounds fishy.  If it's true, the BP agent should be questioned if he was on a vendetta, and willing to shoot any suspected repeat offender.","author":"johnk","parent_id":144397,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-17 01:47:44","modified":"2006-01-17 01:47:44","fileurl":""},{"id":144566,"heading":"Don't get in a Cheeto fight with BR","article":"Don't chuck a Cheeto at BR.  He might blow a vent into your torso.","author":"johnk","parent_id":144397,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-17 01:50:00","modified":"2006-01-17 01:50:00","fileurl":""},{"id":144567,"heading":"reply","article":"If you mean Border Raven, he may at least pull out his firearm, like he did in Lake Forest.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":144397,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-17 01:58:46","modified":"2006-01-17 01:58:46","fileurl":""},{"id":144587,"heading":"Guns","article":"border blobber is just a big coward. he will never point a gun to a unarmed person. ","author":"Maru","parent_id":144397,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-17 06:45:51","modified":"2006-01-17 06:45:51","fileurl":""},{"id":144590,"heading":"Rock vs. Bullet at 16 feet?","article":"Never bring a rock to a gun fight.\r\n\r\nWho is to say it was a one on one fight? \r\n\r\nCertainly not you.\r\n\r\nHow would you like to be facing off with a group, of illegals, as they you learn they all ahve a few 2 pound rocks, in their hands? \r\n\r\nThe BP agents face off with the illegals daily, weekly, and monthly, more times than you take a piss.\r\n\r\nAnd you want to sit there, and have a 20\/20 hindsight debate, over the agent's actions?\r\n\r\nPerhaps we can arrange for you to visit the front lines and take a ride-along. Put your ass in the front seat of a BP vehicle, and see where your tax dolars go. You do pay income taxes, right?\r\n\r\n","author":"Border Raven","parent_id":144397,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-17 07:12:26","modified":"2006-01-17 07:12:26","fileurl":""},{"id":144592,"heading":"I luv this?","article":"Do you think the BP plays games on the border?\r\n\r\nThey have one goal, and that is to go home at the end of their shift. \r\n\r\nThe fact the guy was shot in the back: it takes a split second to turn around, when you see a gun pointing at you.\r\n\r\nHve you been hit with a rock? Stoning is a form of execution, in some countries. Rock throwing is the most primative weapon, and was used by neanderthals to bring down larger animals.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Border Raven","parent_id":144397,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-17 07:42:03","modified":"2006-01-17 07:42:03","fileurl":""},{"id":144593,"heading":"What did you do Cliff?","article":"Cliff I took decisive action. \r\n\r\nI made a decision, correct or incorrect, and took action.\r\n\r\nIndecision is weakness.\r\n\r\n","author":"Broder Raven","parent_id":144397,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-17 07:47:22","modified":"2006-01-17 07:47:22","fileurl":""},{"id":144594,"heading":"reply","article":"What did I do? I was bearing witness and it happened really quick. I recall stepping near Robin, I think either to get between her and the attackers or get her away from the incident. I told an officer what happened, but I'm not sure if he took an official statement from me.\r\n\r\nSince the incident happened in front of the liquor store, I looked to see if by chance there was a security camera inside that may have gotten footage of the outside in front. There was a camera and I spoke with the clerk. And he was cooperative. You can thank me when you're ready :-P\r\n\r\nLast I heard, I think from the clerk himself, the police got the video tape from that camera.\r\n\r\nI also printed a statement of what I saw and did and gave it to a LF police officer for what it's worth(he didn't seem that interested). I also emailed a copy to the person who was attacked.\r\n\r\nYes, that's what I did. I certainly didn't give chase in my vehicle and pull out a firearm like you did. I understand following to get a license plate number. But be a tough guy and admit, it was a scuffle, a minor one at that. It wasn't a bank robbery or kidnapping. Your firearm wasn't necessary.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":144397,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-17 08:07:09","modified":"2006-01-17 08:07:09","fileurl":""},{"id":144599,"heading":"SO, Uh, Border Craven","article":"You got a permit for that handgun?","author":"y'know?","parent_id":144397,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-17 09:39:45","modified":"2006-01-17 09:39:45","fileurl":""},{"id":144603,"heading":"Permit","article":"You only need a permit for CONCEALED weapons.\r\nThis is California.  And lots of luck on that.  This isn't Washington State.","author":"No Stinking Permit","parent_id":144397,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-17 11:18:19","modified":"2006-01-17 11:18:19","fileurl":""},{"id":144604,"heading":"Stoning","article":"You're funny, Border Raven.\r\nThis isn't Palestine either.  It's not nice to blow away people.\r\n\r\nParticularly ones that offer no immediate threat.    An overhead warning round usually stops a suspect.    If not, then so fucking what?","author":"Oh I get it.","parent_id":144397,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-17 11:27:58","modified":"2006-01-17 11:27:58","fileurl":""},{"id":144606,"heading":"BR","article":"Border Raven is just a big fat coward. ","author":"Maru","parent_id":144397,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-17 13:59:09","modified":"2006-01-17 13:59:09","fileurl":""},{"id":144611,"heading":"BR","article":"How do you know he's fat?","author":"Pete Nice","parent_id":144397,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-17 16:45:26","modified":"2006-01-17 16:45:26","fileurl":""},{"id":144613,"heading":"What is that?","article":"That devise warped around his body?  A Ballistics Jell suit?\r\nThese x Navy types.\r\n","author":"curious","parent_id":144397,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-17 17:21:53","modified":"2006-01-17 17:21:53","fileurl":""}]}