{"article":{"id":144345,"heading":"Current TV on the Border Angels and MMP","author":"El Chivo","created":"2006-01-14 17:06:31","modified":"2006-01-16 14:08:45","last_modified":"Mon, 16 Jan 2006 21:08:45","article":"

This video in the site was taken at the border. It show the two point of view of the immigration issue. Their is a cameo of Minuteman CC aka Jammer CC. hey, Jammer what does CC stand for? <\/p>\n","contact":"","link":"http:\/\/www.current.tv\/video\/?id=5569","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/plain","summary":"Check out the Link!","numcomment":24,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2006\/01\/144345.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":144356,"heading":"Wow!","article":"The video clearly shows that the Mexican Government is irresponsible to its citizens. There citizens are starving. We need to get the U.N. to air drop supplies to Mexico. Wheres the international outrage? Where the Catholic charities? Vicente Fox is a disgrace and how about those american racists at the border. We need to stop this. We definately need a 50 foot tall wall on the border to protect and seperate those starving mexican citizens from confronting those american racists. This should fix the problem. I'll shoot a email to the U.N. and Catholic charities requesting assistance for Mexico. They definately need help.","author":"Confused","parent_id":144345,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-14 19:56:41","modified":"2006-01-14 19:56:41","fileurl":""},{"id":144368,"heading":"reply","article":""CC" just means Cliff Clark or Chris Clark, a couple of alias's I use. I'm trying to find out how to contact the documentary film maker I met at the border. I gave her the name "CC" but I'm okay with my real name now. Obviously the video is a bit dated because of my involvement in it. The parts with me were filmed back in October I think.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":144345,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-14 22:34:07","modified":"2006-01-14 22:34:07","fileurl":""},{"id":144369,"heading":"reply","article":"By the way, I refer to people who cross the border against immigration laws as "illegals" at least once in the video. I don't mean to offend anyone and I was still new to all this at the time of the filming. If I ever refer to them as "illegals," I'm just refering to their immigration status according to laws and not their existence as a human being.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":144345,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-14 22:36:22","modified":"2006-01-14 22:36:22","fileurl":""},{"id":144370,"heading":"Current TV","article":"THey are showing the documentary now at the channels they provided at top of the website. ","author":"El Chivo","parent_id":144345,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-14 22:46:17","modified":"2006-01-14 22:46:17","fileurl":""},{"id":144372,"heading":"reply","article":"I can see it now...\r\n\r\n"Mr. Gilchrist! Hey I saw that documentary. That 'CC' boy, is he around? Oh... he was a Green Party spy?? OMG, you don't say!!"","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":144345,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-14 22:51:08","modified":"2006-01-14 22:51:08","fileurl":""},{"id":144375,"heading":"To confused","article":"most of the people who post comments and articles are not for Fox. Do you know how mexico got bad because how U.S. imposed free trade agreements aka NAFTA. ","author":"El Chivo","parent_id":144345,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-14 23:00:03","modified":"2006-01-14 23:00:03","fileurl":""},{"id":144381,"heading":"Reply to El Chivo","article":"I am not fond of NAFTA however, I do not see the link between NAFTA and illegal immigration.\r\n\r\nIs it true that U.S. companies have built factories in Mexico and South America? Are they not providing jobs? \r\n\r\nExample Mexico; If what I have read is true, the illegal immigrants are not coming here because they don't have work in Mexico. Many have left jobs to come here. Why is that? The 11 million + Illegal immigrants cannot fix there problems here. If they have issues with there governments they have to fix them in there own countries, unless of coarse you want the U.S. to invade and creat a new government. \r\n\r\nNAFTA is not a one way agreement. Why did Mexico sign it? If it is hurting Mexico then the mexican citizens need to pressure there government to revoke it. Again, that cannot be done from here.\r\n\r\nThe U.S. is not the root of all evils, like most believe in this forum. It's a two way street. So why blame the U.S. for everything? Latin america is equally to blame if your theory is true.\r\n\r\n","author":"Confused","parent_id":144345,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-15 00:36:13","modified":"2006-01-15 00:36:13","fileurl":""},{"id":144399,"heading":"reply","article":"I feel that I owe a little more in a reply here, since I'm seen in this video. I was chatting with someone and I think I stated where I stand after all this experience when I said this:\r\n____________\r\nwhile i'm observing all points of view, rather than say "for the sake of argument, I'm gonna stand by and do nothing" i chose to instead be like "while i'm observing all points of view, right now our laws forbid illegal immigration so that's what i'll comply with while keeping an open mind"\r\n_______________\r\n\r\nYes I'll comply by the laws regarding immigration, but please don't take this as a stance or attitude against people from Mexico and other countries of the Southern Americas. It's certainly not that. If you want to lobby for more processed immigration from those countries, that's great. I'm all for humanity. And as always, I have an open mind. And of course, I do not trust Jim Gilchrist or the Minuteman Project. I denounced the Minuteman name and will continue to stand against it becaues of what I've seen and experienced and their apparent shortsighted reasoning for what they do.\r\n\r\nAs for people who are here against immigration laws, speaking generally, I don't have a knee-jerk reaction of fear and anger like many Gilchrist\/CCIR\/SOS\/Minuteman folks do. It doesn't bother me emotionally like that. And I see attempts to protest day labor centers and Home Depots as futile and pointless(because any blocked work will surely come back the next day anyways). And I would infact counter protest in my own way. So watch for me and my picket signs.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":144345,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-15 03:18:22","modified":"2006-01-15 03:18:22","fileurl":""},{"id":144418,"heading":"? CC","article":"Would you support a tax on corporations that didn't provide health care? Maybe a fee of $10,000 a year for all business with employees numbers between 1 to 10 a $20,000 dollar a year for business's between 10 to 20 and a 10% fee of the total payrol for companies that employ over 20 people. This might keep the emergancy rooms open. Also we can do the same thing and put a simalar tax which go toward education. We can also raise the personal income tax across the board to pay for the infustructure. 25% percent should do the trick.","author":"Confused","parent_id":144345,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-15 05:40:04","modified":"2006-01-15 05:40:04","fileurl":""},{"id":144426,"heading":"reply","article":"Yes, I sent money to Mike Chase's group, CA Border Watch. 15 bucks. I'm on good terms with them and they've been posting their progress, including against drug traffickers.\r\n\r\nAs for me doing a border watch, because of my open mind, curiosity, and awareness that there are poor people out there, I'm not sure if I would be personally motivated enough to actually go to the border with a cellphone anymore.\r\n\r\nI'm observing and keeping an open mind, all the same. But if it came right down to it, let's say I was down at the border for whatever reason, even to hang out and talk to the CA Border Watch folks, if I saw someone trying to sneak across the border in either direction, I would inform them and the Border Patrol.\r\n\r\nI'm not running about complaining about people here against immigration laws working and getting paid. I understand that their situations vary. It doesn't matter at that much to me at this point. However, if I were to be an employer if any kind, I would stick to hiring American citizens and legal immigrants.\r\n\r\nHowever, I have NO PROBLEM AT ALL with charitable groups who wish to provide food and other supplies to anyone here who needs it, including people here against immigration laws.\r\n\r\nAs for not wanting to talk to me at any protests, that's fine. But if anyone talks to me, they don't have to tell me anything they don't want to. As for what I would say, I'd be open to state what I know and I'd be selective to a certain degree with who I talk to.\r\n\r\nThat photo of me above was obviously a while back before all this happened, before the incident with me trying to speak out on the STORMFRONT persons doing work in the campaign offices and getting answers, and being threatened with a call to the police if I didn't leave.\r\n\r\nWhile I comply by the immigration laws, it doesn't mean I'm gonna go around raising anger and commotion like the Minuteman\/SOS people do. I'm not out to cause conflict like SOS is. I've been through that and I'm over that. Done.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":144345,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-15 06:38:20","modified":"2006-01-15 06:38:20","fileurl":""},{"id":144428,"heading":"to Confused","article":"I'm afraid I'm not very knowledged in all that tax stuff. : \/","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":144345,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-15 06:40:31","modified":"2006-01-15 06:40:31","fileurl":""},{"id":144433,"heading":"reply","article":"I think I'll reply again, just for my good friend Pete Nice :-)\r\n\r\nI should make it clear that I didn't go from opposing illegal immigration, to supporting it, then opposing it again. But I'm definately taking into consideration the possible and probable conditions of poverty of those here against immigration laws. Like I said before, I'm not advocating mass deportations. Believe me, I don't have a Minuteman mentality. You won't see that from me.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":144345,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-15 07:50:01","modified":"2006-01-15 07:50:01","fileurl":""},{"id":144436,"heading":"reply","article":"Hey you first","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":144345,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-15 07:56:43","modified":"2006-01-15 07:56:43","fileurl":""},{"id":144446,"heading":"reply","article":"I'm surprised I didn't post this yet. Something I typed when chatting with someone. I think I said it best when I said this:\r\n\r\n____________\r\nwhile i'm observing all points of view, rather than say "for the sake \r\nof\r\nargument, I'm gonna stand by and do nothing" i chose to instead be like\r\n"while i'm observing all points of view, right now our laws forbid \r\nillegal\r\nimmigration so that's what i'll comply with while keeping an open mind"\r\n_______________\r\n\r\nEspecially the last part about the open mind. There you have it. I'm not an open borders advocate and NEVER was.\r\n\r\nRegarding immigrants here without papers, I know the law is the law. But I plan on making an equal contribution to a group that I know for sure provides food or aid to immigrants here without papers. As long as the money does not aid in any open borders efforts. I'm not going for that and never did. Equal to the 15 bucks I contributed to Mike Chase's group, Mike being a person who is very approachable and understanding. Plus I felt kinda bad for the guy whose windsheild was busted recently.\r\n\r\nThat should clear up any allegations from the SOS side that I'm jumping from one side to another and back.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":144345,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-15 10:13:34","modified":"2006-01-15 10:13:34","fileurl":""},{"id":144476,"heading":"Regional protectionism","article":"NAFTA integrated the north american economies more. The decline of manufacturing in Mexico (and the US) has put a lot of people out of work.\r\n\r\nOne possible solution is to raise a regional tariff on goods from some Asian and South American countries. It won't prevent companies from moving jobs southward, but it will keep them closer so that the economic impact will be kept local.\r\n\r\nRising oil prices help Mexico, which exports oil, but good things happen only if the money gets distributed downwards to the people, via higher wages resulting from better collective bargaining. Neoliberal\/capitalist policies don't often do that.\r\n\r\nWithin this context of regional free trade, the US still can't retain its manufacturing jobs. Our overall productivity level has to be raised with smarter social and infrastructure spending, and less spending on the war and war-making in general.\r\n\r\nThe linked article is from The Economist, a neolib mag from the UK. It has some stats.","author":"anon","parent_id":144345,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-16 02:10:52","modified":"2006-01-16 02:10:52","fileurl":""},{"id":144507,"heading":"reply","article":"I'm trying to keep my posts here to a minimum(no, not for pete nice) and have started a blog to just type down everything about my experiences. If the blog format doesn't work, I'll considering getting a website.\r\n\r\nAnyways, putting more thought into this video being out there, I do have a concern that some will recognize me and think I'm still in the Minuteman Project. Those who don't really read Indymedia news or comments\/replies here. I'm not all that worried. But I wanted to make it clear again, especially if anyone involved in the Costa Mesa issues is reading this, that I'm NOT in the Minuteman Project anymore.\r\n\r\nInfact I'm planning on protesting them in Lake Forest. I did just that yesterday morning. But I chose not to make a big affair of it with photos and Indymedia reports.\r\n\r\nTake it easy everyone and anyone is welcome to protest with me with general protest messages. I'm not getting into the Indigenous stuff but those types of protesters are welcome too. I'll just stand away from it politely since I'm not into that message.\r\n\r\nI encourage American flags(not as a sign of nationalistic superiority), Earth flags, and general protest signs. The Minuteman people are at the liquor store at El Toro rd. and Jeronimo rd. often, especially Saturday mornings it seems. They start around 8am. I can't guarantee I'll be there all the time but I plan on being there when I can.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":144345,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-16 14:04:44","modified":"2006-01-16 14:04:44","fileurl":""},{"id":144508,"heading":"oh yeah","article":"As always, I'm working fully within the law. I'm not taking a leadership or organizational role and I'm not responsible for the actions of anybody else. I stand across Jeronimo road from the Minuteman participants and I will not seek any close or hostile confrontations with anyone.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":144345,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-16 14:08:46","modified":"2006-01-16 14:08:46","fileurl":""}]}