{"article":{"id":143446,"heading":"Extensive statement from Jim Gilchrist about Cliff May","author":"Jammer CC","created":"2006-01-07 00:35:35","modified":"2006-01-08 00:17:56","last_modified":"Sun, 08 Jan 2006 08:17:56","article":"

Statement from Jim Gilchrist:

Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 1:25 PM

Subject: 21st century Benedict Arnolds (aka \"Fair Comment\")

There comes a time when one must unfortunately take time out of a busy

schedule to slay a dragon. Anyone familiar with the concept of \"fair

comment\"? Essentially, it means I have every right to counter-complain about

despicable persons who have engaged in malicious conduct impugning my

character, and the character of all the MMProject participants and the

850+volunteers in my recent political campaign.

Now, let me casually address two former acquaintances who routinely use the

internet to spout venomous jargon about the MMProject and those associated

with it:

Cliff May had been seemingly racist against the American-Hispanic volunteers

in my election campaign, and my volunteers demanded we relieve him of his

volunteer duties. Hearing him whine about Lupe Moreno and

Francisco Jorge and Vicente Estrada led me to believe early on that he was

not the sincere \"volunteer\" of the Gilchrist for Congress campaign he wanted

the campaign to believe he was. We sensed \"covert infiltrator\" early on, but

we were not sure if he was planted by the anarchist Green Party or the

Communist Party.

Cliff May and Jim and Mike Chase are working together in futile attempts to

stop the MMProject or any pro-immigration law enforcement candidates from

taking political offices. Apparently, the Southern Poverty Law Center and

the ACLU are recent favorites of these guys for posting whatever derogatory

comments they can think of about the Minuteman Project members and

supporters. I guess now they are working directly with, or for, the SPLC and

ACLU to provide those radical, anti-American hate groups with whatever

hallucinatory vision they can conjure up that might destroy the MMP.

Their socially maladroit and destructive behavior has gotten them the

MMProject's first annual Benedict Arnold Award. Please congratulate

them...and wish them well in their relationship with Satan. Historians will

write about their feeble attempts to thwart our Founding Fathers vision of

an America governed by the rule of law.

Cliff May was canned from the Costa Mesa city council facilities last night

by the Costa Mesa PD. Apparently, he was darting in and out of traffic on

Fair Dr. in front of the council building and posed a danger to himself, MMP

ralliers and on-coming vehicles.

Not sure if he is suffering from mad cow disease, or what. Whatever it is,

he contracted it from Jim Chase.

Having consumed my valuable time on such wasteful and destructive human

debris as Chase and May, I will now get back to working on the MMProject

mission.

Jim Gilchrist

Co-Founder

MinuteMan Project

__________________________________

Cliff May's response:

\"malicious conduct impugning my

character, and the character of....\"

~Malicious conduct? Ha yeah right! Maybe to you it feels like it. But I'm stating what I have seen and experienced. I have not concluded that you are a white supremacist or are aligned with white supremacy. I'm just stating what I've seen. I also state my opinions on what kind of crowd the SOS and Minuteman people are.

\"routinely use the

internet to spout venomous jargon about the MMProject and those associated

with it:\"

~Venomous jargon? Whatever.

\"Cliff May had been seemingly racist against the American-Hispanic volunteers

in my election campaign, and my volunteers demanded we relieve him of his

volunteer duties.\"

~Whoa, where the heck did that come from? Really, where? Can you Jim Gilchrist recount any certain incidents that indicate this?

\"Hearing him whine about Lupe Moreno and

Francisco Jorge and Vicente Estrada led me to believe early on that he was

not the sincere \"volunteer\" of the Gilchrist for Congress campaign he wanted

the campaign to believe he was.\"

I don't recall complaining about Lupe Moreno while I was in the campaign. I noted that she called an American citizen at Lake Forest a \"law breaker\" but that was more recently.

As for Francisco Jorge, I've never complained about him during my time in the campaign. I never even met him until the Sacramento rally. As for Vince, I was critical of some conduct at a Lake Forest rally and I really wanted to leave him out of this because he's not involved in protest rallies anymore. But my concern about the conduct of Gilchrist volunteers was getting votes. I was concerned about the bad behavior turning away votes. I even said this. Chris Simcox agreed with me.

\"We sensed \"covert infiltrator\" early on, but

we were not sure if he was planted by the anarchist Green Party or the

Communist Party.\"

~And you're accusing me of coming up with conspiracy theories?? I have never been involved in any Communist group or party and have never knowingly spoken to any members. I have spoke with members of the Green Party, but I am not affiliated with them or the party nor do I have an interested in joining the party or any of their organized activities.

NOR AM I INTERESTED IN CALLING THEM \"DOMESTIC TERRORISTS\"!!!

\"Cliff May and Jim and Mike Chase are working together in futile attempts to

stop the MMProject or any pro-immigration law enforcement candidates from

taking political offices.\"

~I'm not working to stop any pro-immigration law enforcement candidates in general, when you put the words in that way. As for attempts to stop the MMProject itself, hey we've seen things. I've seen things in the campaign and people have seen things in the MMProject.

\"Apparently, the Southern Poverty Law Center and

the ACLU are recent favorites of these guys for posting whatever derogatory

comments they can think of about the Minuteman Project members and

supporters.\"

~First to address the ACLU, they are not a favorite of mine and I'm wary of them. I've witnessed, even experienced, some tactics members of the Legal Observer(which is organized by the ACLU unless I'm mistaken) that I'm wary of. I expressed the interested in talking to them loosely based or casually, but I'm not willing to cooperate with them in a formal manner.

As for the Southern Poverty Law Center, I decided to speak with them. They're not the only people or group I'd speak with anyways. If I were to be quoted in a newspaper article or other form of media\/press, the SPLC may get information from that. They might as well hear it from me firsthand. I read their articles on the Minuteman Project and noticed some things that made sense with what I've seen. Such as National Alliance flyers distrubited in Arizona upon the start of today's Minuteman Project. I encountered the SAME THING in Sacamento at the rally at the capital. Jim Gilchrist said they decided to \"let that go.\" Basically the skinhead looking guy was ALLOWED to distribute flyers that targeted \"non-whites.\"

With that and understanding that the SPLC is not affiliated with the ACLU directly or other groups such as the National Council of La Raza or MECHA and seeing that they investigate hate groups and hate in general, I decided to speak with them.

\"I guess now they are working directly with, or for, the SPLC and

ACLU to provide those radical, anti-American hate groups with whatever

hallucinatory vision they can conjure up that might destroy the MMP.\"

~Mike Chase pretty much defended the article by the SPLC on Chris Simcox in an email to me and others. I'm not working for the SPLC in a payment sense. I will not take money for my speaking out. I'm willing to provide them information and state what I've seen and know without coming to any conclusions that I cannot prove for sure. As for ACLU, again, I don't plan on dealing with them.

As for them being anti-American hate groups, hearing it from Jim Gilchrist of all people doesn't bear much credibility for me.

As for \"hallucinatory vision,\" yeah I bet you wish it was that Jim Gilchrist.

\"Their socially maladroit and destructive behavior has gotten them the

MMProject's first annual Benedict Arnold Award. Please congratulate

them...and wish them well in their relationship with Satan.\"

~Socially maladroit and destructive behavior? Yeah whatever. Anyways, about your Benedict Arnold Award, great!!! I would be happy to accept this award from you. If you made some physical representation of it, like a trophy, certificate, or medal, I would be happy to accept it. I'm not sure how it would work. I'm sure you don't want me standing near you and I'd rather not anyways. Relationship with Satan? Hahaha! Okay, I'll wear one of my Slayer shirts when accepting the award. Sound good?

\"Historians will

write about their feeble attempts to thwart our Founding Fathers vision of

an America governed by the rule of law.\"

~We'll let the historians decide on that. Do you Jim Gilchrist ever wonder what they'll write about YOU???

\"Cliff May was canned from the Costa Mesa city council facilities last night

by the Costa Mesa PD.\"

~Really? That's funny, I was allowed inside to attend the meeting after the break. I was allowed inside the council room. I was there. You had already left before that, I guess to go to the Lake Forest city council meeting.

\"Apparently, he was darting in and out of traffic on

Fair Dr. in front of the council building and posed a danger to himself, MMP

ralliers and on-coming vehicles.\"

~No, I was on the sidewalk. Can you get this verified by the Costa Mesa polie department? Do you have footage of this on your camcorder or someone else's???

I was walking on road pavement when crossing the driveway into the parking lot to film, speak with someone, or whatever. But I wasn't walking through the actual Fair Dr. road unless crossing at an intersection using the crosswalk button to activate the green light in the shape of a walking person.

As for the CM police officers talking to me about safety, they were referring to the idea of me standing across the Fair Dr. road from the protest on the sidewalk, where I was.

\"Not sure if he is suffering from mad cow disease, or what. Whatever it is,

he contracted it from Jim Chase.\"

~Funny, I don't recall slicing out a piece of Jim Chase's body, cooking it up on a grill, and eating it. I know he's got a belly, but I wouldn't consider him a cow. Okay I'm joking. That was just a silly choice of words from Jim Gilchrist.

\"Having consumed my valuable time on such wasteful and destructive human

debris as Chase and May, I will now get back to working on the MMProject

mission.\"

~Now I'm human debris! Yay!!!!

Thank you everyone.

Cliff May

aka Jammer CC<\/p>\n","contact":"","link":"","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/plain","summary":"Jim Gilchrist awards Cliff May aka Jammer CC the first annual "Benedict Arnold Award."","numcomment":25,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2006\/01\/143446.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":143447,"heading":"reply","article":"The SPLC provided me this statement by the way. Jim Gilchrist emailed me and others a shorter statement where he called me a "kook." But not this one. Thanks David from SPLC. :-)","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":143446,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-07 00:43:09","modified":"2006-01-07 00:43:09","fileurl":""},{"id":143449,"heading":"reply","article":"Funny how Gilchrist will attack me and now he's even accusing me of racism I guess. But he won't address the people from STORMFRONT in his campaign, which is an absolute FACT.\r\n\r\nHere's the email me and many others got from Gilchrist:\r\n\r\n____________________________\r\nCliff,\r\nYou are delusional and are making a complete idiot, as usual, out of\r\nyourself.\r\nYou really need help, kid. I can't help you.\r\nAnd that is only one of the reasons you are no longer welcome around me \r\nor\r\nany MMP members.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nYou spend all of your time trying to create some great conspiracy where \r\nnone\r\nexists.\r\nGo ahead, by all means, spend the rest of your life trying to create\r\ncontroversy and conspiracy and hostility and other self-pleasantries. \r\nMy\r\ncrowd is just not interested, especially the non-white members. \r\nStalking\r\nour members, especailly the women, can result in a restraining order \r\nbeing\r\nbrought against you.\r\n\r\nLook, take a few years off. Mature, and then re-evaluate your life.\r\n\r\nEveryone knows you are a kook. And you just keep proving it over and \r\nover\r\nand over again...except to your fascist compatriots on the indymedia \r\nmessage\r\nboards. Yes, fascist compatriots. You fit well with them and your \r\nGreen\r\nParty affiliates.\r\n\r\nAdios y good riddance,\r\n\r\nJim Gilchrist, Founder - The Minuteman Project - Americans doing the \r\njobs\r\nCongress won't do.\r\n\r\nwww.minutemanproject.com Operating within the law to support \r\nenforcement of\r\nthe law.\r\n\r\n_______________________________\r\n\r\nFunny, no?\r\n","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":143446,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-07 00:54:12","modified":"2006-01-07 00:54:12","fileurl":""},{"id":143450,"heading":"Jammer CC","article":"When did LA Indymedia become the place for everyone to air petty personal disputes? This is tripe.\r\n\r\nSo you left the Gilchrist campaign when you found out their were racists involved, wow that makes one perceptive individual. But keep posting because those of us on the real anti-MM side get a frequent, hearty laugh at your antics. \r\n\r\nYou sure are a good judge of people... and an attention whore to boot. ","author":"Pete Nice","parent_id":143446,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-07 01:04:51","modified":"2006-01-07 01:04:51","fileurl":""},{"id":143454,"heading":"reply","article":"Petty dispute? Dude, I was award the first Benedict Award Award!!! Okay I have to share that award with Jim and Mike Chase. I'm sure they're equally as excited. But joking aside, this is some response from Jim Gilchrist, although it's a bunch of junk and does not address what I'm concerned with.\r\n\r\nI realize some at Indymedia may be laughing at me. That's fine. And some are supportive, I've seen it firsthand. When starting to post here and even report here(which was recieved well), I should have elaborated more on that. I didn't come here to join any groups or organizations. Why am I reporting here of all places? Well one purpose is to interact and seek understanding. I'm willing to do that and answer questions. So please give me a chance to do that. I can put all this aside, basically hiding all that I've seen, and try to forget about it. But I couldn't really do that if I tried. Not like this. I have some answering to do.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":143446,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-07 01:26:34","modified":"2006-01-07 01:26:34","fileurl":""},{"id":143455,"heading":"Okay.","article":"Okay Jammer... then get to the point.","author":"Pete Nice","parent_id":143446,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-07 01:39:48","modified":"2006-01-07 01:39:48","fileurl":""},{"id":143456,"heading":"reply","article":"Aready been doing that.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":143446,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-07 01:41:58","modified":"2006-01-07 01:41:58","fileurl":""},{"id":143457,"heading":"i guess","article":"I guess I was expecting something big, not the earth-shattering news that the Minutemen are racist. . . that doesn't count.","author":"Pete Nice","parent_id":143446,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-07 01:46:49","modified":"2006-01-07 01:46:49","fileurl":""},{"id":143458,"heading":"reply","article":"Well maybe you're bored easily, I dunno. I've been stating things about Jim Gilchrist and what I've seen and Jim has responded and I provided that here. And I provided my response to that as well. If you're not interested, great. Don't reply and if no one is interested, they don't have to reply and I won't have reason to reply as well and this will be sent down the list of commented articles and be forgotton. Fair deal?","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":143446,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-07 01:49:13","modified":"2006-01-07 01:49:13","fileurl":""},{"id":143459,"heading":"ok","article":"all right deal.","author":"Pete Nice","parent_id":143446,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-07 01:52:29","modified":"2006-01-07 01:52:29","fileurl":""},{"id":143462,"heading":"Gilchrist: pro-immigration law enforcement candidate","article":"Well, that's one to save! Gilchrist is the pro-immigration candidate. Ha ha.","author":"johnk","parent_id":143446,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-07 02:08:27","modified":"2006-01-07 02:08:27","fileurl":""},{"id":143463,"heading":"well","article":"I think the "pro" would refer to law enforcement. As in enforcing immigration laws to prevent those who would come here without regard to those immigration laws. One way for him to prevent people from coming in here. Another being the Minuteman Project. To be fair, he says a purpose for it is bring awareness to the issue.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":143446,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-07 02:15:49","modified":"2006-01-07 02:15:49","fileurl":""},{"id":143465,"heading":"OC","article":"and so the drama continues....\r\nJammer posted on SOS as Watchout, replied to almost every thread as he is doing here.\r\nGot as much personal info on all SOS mebers as he could, has threatend to go publlic with it, etc etc.... et al\r\nI think I see a pattern here. \r\nPost, get friendly, gather info, go public......\r\nhmmmmm","author":"OC","parent_id":143446,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-07 02:36:07","modified":"2006-01-07 02:36:07","fileurl":""},{"id":143466,"heading":"Benedict Arnold","article":"Arnold was a Patriot war hero, but things turned sour on him...\r\n\r\n"Faced with financial ruin, uncertain of future promotion, and disgusted with congressional politics, Arnold made a fateful decision: he would seek fortune and fame in the service of Great Britain. With cool calculation, he initiated correspondence with Sir Henry Clinton, the British commander, promising to deliver West Point and its 3,000 defenders for 2O,OOO sterling (about $1 million today), a momentous act that he hoped would spark the collapse of the American cause."\r\n\r\nIf Jammer CC were turning over plans to the "empire" (meaning the GOP who stand to lose votes to Gilchrist) maybe he'd merit that award, but, it's more analagous to say that he's undermined the cause of Gilchrist, at some cost to himself, by giving up information to no group in particular.","author":"johnk","parent_id":143446,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-07 02:36:48","modified":"2006-01-07 02:36:48","fileurl":""},{"id":143468,"heading":"OC","article":"Cliff, take heed of JohnK's wisdom","author":"OC","parent_id":143446,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-07 02:53:46","modified":"2006-01-07 02:53:46","fileurl":""},{"id":143469,"heading":"reply","article":"Like I said, I'm not switching to a group that directly opposes the Minuteman\/SOS people. I'm opposing them in my own way. I'm certainly not taking a stance against the idea of securing the border or maintaining immigration laws. I'm not advocating for deportation or amnesty.\r\n\r\n"Got as much personal info on all SOS mebers as he could, has threatend to go publlic with it"\r\n\r\nI'm not going public with personal information that has no relevancy, especially with people aren't public figures or who's name is out there like that. Nor have I threatened that.\r\n\r\nAs for getting to know people then going public, that is not a pattern I suscribe to. Like I said, I don't want to be involved in any groups the same way the members are. As it is, on Tuesday night I did interact a lot and such, but I think I'll end it there at least when it comes to those who are taking on the Costa Mesa city council. I was gathering information for my report on Indymedia and wanted to see some points of view. And I did, and I'll cut back and stick to standing alone for the most part. Just because I speak with someone and share information about what the public needs to know about the Gilchrist campaign and Minuteman Project, doesn't mean I want information from them about certain things. Nor does it mean I'm a member of whichever organization that person is a member of.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":143446,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-07 02:54:54","modified":"2006-01-07 02:54:54","fileurl":""},{"id":143470,"heading":"reply","article":""Cliff, take heed of JohnK's wisdom"\r\n\r\nAs for as I can see, that's been my intention from the start. But thanks for the advise anyways.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":143446,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-07 02:55:48","modified":"2006-01-07 02:55:48","fileurl":""},{"id":143496,"heading":"reply","article":"I don't mean to reply to this yet again, but I have to mention something. I said that I never complained about Francisco Jorge but now I remember he was at the Lake Forest protest and had some behavior that I thought would turn away votes. And I did bring that up to the campaign. But the race\/ethnicity of these individuals had nothing to do with it. Jim Gilchrist is shooting blanks.\r\n\r\nAnd yes Buzda who is reading this, it's me.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":143446,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-07 09:22:08","modified":"2006-01-07 09:22:08","fileurl":""},{"id":143502,"heading":"Who care","article":"Just can't let the thread die, huh?","author":"pete nice","parent_id":143446,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-07 16:22:48","modified":"2006-01-07 16:22:48","fileurl":""},{"id":143513,"heading":"Gilchrist is a liar and a dangerous nut","article":"Anyone who has read the interviews and articles on Jim Gilchrist on the OC Organizer web site and elsewhere knows that Jim Gilchrist is mentally erradict and a certifiable liar. \r\n\r\nUnfortunately, he has been pictured in the OC Weekly and elsewhere as something of a kindly bigot, basically a nice man who is just a little mixed up but really means well--without ever mentioning, among other things, that Gilchrist has repeatedly accused members of the Green party, including myself, of being terrorists and attempted murders--falsely stating that several Green party members were actually charged of that crime by law enforcement officials. Those are just some of the rediculous statements he has made--all in response to being held publicly accountable for his contradictory and dishonest statements.\r\n\r\nFor a pretty good round-up of Gilchrist's mental conflicts and lies about himself and others, check out http:\/\/www.thetruthaboutgilchrist.com\/issues\/ There you can check out interview transcripts, audio recordings etc., many which refer back to the OC Organizer web site.\r\n\r\nGilchrist just makes shit up. His personality and MO seem more like Hitler than a true Amerian patriot. He wants to rise to fame and power and seems willing to say just about anything to do so. He has no credibility with any thinking person, but imagine what it would be like if a few more people like him got elected to office. \r\n\r\nCliff May speaks in a factual and well reasoned fashion. He seems to be a person searching for truth and trying to weigh the facts as best he can. Some of what he has said about white supremacist connections to Gilchrist has been credibly collaborated elsewhere, according to Duane Roberts who has closely watched the supremacist connections (Gilchrist also accusing him of terrorism). And you can probably still go to Gilchrist's web site and see the white supremacist Confederate flag proudly flying in some photographs. In response to my questions, Gilchrist had taken those photos offline, but later they reappeared. \r\n\r\nNo doubt, Gilchrist becoming a fascist clown has as much or more to do with pure ego and opportunism as any real political philosophy, but history has taught us that we shouldn't take him or his sycophants lightly. My hat goes off to Cliff May for having the intellect and courage to break away from that crowd.\r\n\r\nJohn Earl\r\nOC Organizer","author":"John Earl","parent_id":143446,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-07 18:35:43","modified":"2006-01-07 18:35:43","fileurl":""},{"id":143545,"heading":"Dashes","article":"He should write it "pro--immigration-law-enforcement" then. \r\n\r\nIt could be read pro-immigration-law enforcement.\r\n\r\nIt could be read pro-immigration law-enforcement.\r\n\r\nIt could be read pro-immigration, law, enforcement.\r\n\r\nHe could be factual and say he's an anti-immigration or anti-immigrant candidate.\r\n\r\nWas he also the English-only candidate?","author":"johnk","parent_id":143446,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-07 23:01:44","modified":"2006-01-07 23:01:44","fileurl":""},{"id":143548,"heading":"reply","article":"At a debate event in Irvine, before the December election, he asked people to vote for him if they're tired of pressing "1" for English.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":143446,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-07 23:07:57","modified":"2006-01-07 23:07:57","fileurl":""},{"id":143550,"heading":"AND YET AGAIN","article":"Jammer CC\r\nby Pete Nice Thursday, Jan. 05, 2006 at 4:08 PM\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nDo you have to comment on every single post?You couldn't control your urge "weigh in" on the subject as if everybody is just waiting to see what Jammer CC's take is going to be.\r\n","author":"GUESS WHO?","parent_id":143446,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2006-01-07 23:28:07","modified":"2006-01-07 23:28:07","fileurl":""}]}