{"article":{"id":142214,"heading":"Stop the Terrorist in OC","author":"El indio cool arrow","created":"2005-12-22 06:34:01","modified":"2013-11-11 00:37:12","last_modified":"Mon, 11 Nov 2013 08:37:12","article":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<?xml encoding=\"UTF-8\"><html><body><p>Instituto Mamolandia, Califas &ndash; En el &uacute;ltimo mensaje alguien me puso el apodo de &ldquo;Cool Arrow&rdquo; que significa &ldquo;culero.&rdquo; Bueno pues, en el esp&iacute;ritu de mi nuevo nombre aqu&iacute; les doy esta grafica.  Gilchirst ha terrorizado a la comunidad y a robado el uso de la palabra Patriota.  Abajo con el MinuteKKKlan!<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","contact":"","link":"","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","summary":"Reportaje exclusivo de los mamones: ","numcomment":55,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/2005\/12\/terrorista.jpg","filesize":"20.9 kibibytes","article_url":"\/news\/2005\/12\/142214.php","image":{"original":"\/uploads\/2005\/12\/terrorista.jpg","small":"\/uploads\/2005\/12\/terrorista.jpgthumb.jpg","medium":"\/uploads\/2005\/12\/terrorista.jpgmid.jpg"}},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":142217,"heading":"Paranoid Mexicans","article":"Idiots.  A guy stands up for his country, fights and is wounded in Vietnam, organizes men and women to help out the border patrol at completely porous borders being violated by illegal aliens, runs for congress and every Jose, Carlos and Pedro starts crapping his pants and having delusions of nazis.\r\n\r\nYour idiocy ascends to new levels every day.","author":"Ken","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-22 07:24:09","modified":"2005-12-22 07:24:09","fileurl":""},{"id":142234,"heading":"yeah","article":"And the guy also goes around calling Ken, a 58 year old guy on a bike who didn't agree with him in Lake Forest, an &quot;Anarchist.&quot;\r\n\r\nI got the email from Ken by the way, I'll see if it's okay if I past some of all of it here.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-22 12:33:14","modified":"2005-12-22 12:33:14","fileurl":""},{"id":142277,"heading":"SO???","article":"If what you say is true, and it probably is not, what does calling someone an anarchist have to do with anything?  They call Jim a racist and every other defamatory name in the book with no foundation whatsoever.  Fact is, most of the filth that oppose border enforcement and people like Jim ARE anarchists, Mexican supremacists, communists and other assorted riff-raff.  Basically, your standard Indy Media pond scum.\r\n","author":"Dale","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-23 05:17:36","modified":"2005-12-23 05:17:36","fileurl":""},{"id":142278,"heading":"reply","article":"It indicates a number of possibilities. Which other sane candidate for Congress would go around calling 58 year old recreational bicyclists &quot;Anarchists&quot; for not agreeing with them. Someone should ask him if he has some kind of complex in his mind about Anarchists and &quot;domestic terrorists.&quot; When speaking to him about the protesters, I think the ones in Sacramento in particular, he said that they're &quot;domestic terrorists.&quot; I spoke about the people who protested the Minuteman particpants at the border where the drug trade happens. I wondered why the Anachists and others would do that when their actions in a way could actually be helping the drug trade. Gilchrist's answer? They want the drugs to come in! Yeah, I can imagine it now, a bunch of Anarchist youth saying, &quot;we better hurry and protest the Minutemen, if we're successful, more drugs for us, yay!&quot; Sure, he could have been joking or stubborn, but he wasn't laughing when he said it and he didn't say anything else about it. Someone in the press should ask him this again.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-23 06:13:33","modified":"2005-12-23 06:13:33","fileurl":""},{"id":142279,"heading":"reply","article":"","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2005-12-23 06:32:06","modified":"2005-12-23 06:32:06","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/12\/jg_urananarchist.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/12\/jg_urananarchist.jpg"}},{"id":142280,"heading":"reply","article":"","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2005-12-23 06:43:18","modified":"2005-12-23 06:43:18","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/12\/mpl_phone.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/12\/mpl_phone.jpg"}},{"id":142281,"heading":"reply","article":"It has come to my attention that one of the Stormfront persons wants to put all this behind and not repeat these events. It seems he's coming clean but I won't go into specifics as a matter of privacy. He's a young person with a future and a human being, so I can only have regard and hope for him. I dislike the whole Stormfront thing, and it's unfortunate it was him who was stuck in all this. But he'll be fine.\r\n\r\nLet's hope Jim Gilchrist will do the same.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2005-12-23 09:21:10","modified":"2005-12-23 09:21:10","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/12\/jg_urananarchist.jpggy6kem.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/12\/jg_urananarchist.jpggy6kem.jpg"}},{"id":142282,"heading":"sorry, wrong picture","article":"","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2005-12-23 09:21:49","modified":"2005-12-23 09:21:49","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/12\/jg_drugtrade.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/12\/jg_drugtrade.jpg"}},{"id":142310,"heading":"Childish","article":"Such a childish example of one's lack of manners, and disrespect for a combat veteran, who served his country, defending the US Constitution, so some lame assed punk could insult him.\r\n\r\nPATRIOT? YOU DON'T KNOW THE MEANING OF THE WORD!\r\n\r\nGROW A SACK AND JOIN THE MARINES, PUNK, AND DO WHAT JAMES GILCHRIST DID. \r\n\r\nDo a 6-year hitch humping a ruck, and see how you feel about patriotism.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Border Raven","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-23 21:11:04","modified":"2005-12-23 21:11:04","fileurl":""},{"id":142314,"heading":"Childlish","article":"Gilchirst does not follow the international law and  the human rights accord.\r\n\r\n&quot;GROW A SACK AND JOIN THE MARINES, PUNK, AND DO WHAT JAMES GILCHRIST DID.&quot; \r\n\r\nand be bankrupted and leached off from the state. right?  and you could be james gilchrist! ","author":"El Chivo","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-23 21:59:52","modified":"2005-12-23 21:59:52","fileurl":""},{"id":142318,"heading":"reply","article":"If I wanted to disrespect his time in Vietnam, I'd get reeeeeally personal but I'm not. After aggressive protesters, his face photoshopped on protest signs depicting Jesus on the cross, a flyer with him and Fidel Castro hand delivered to his door, iheartgilchrist.com, and other antics, these pictures are hardly significant. It's like those political comics. And if you don't agree with me...\r\n\r\n\r\nYou're and ANARCHIST!! Rarrrrrr!!!!","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-23 22:29:32","modified":"2005-12-23 22:29:32","fileurl":""},{"id":142326,"heading":"Jammer needs a job..","article":"Listen Jammer - you have way too much free time - why don't you go pick the strawberries in the fields - do something productive for a change.  YAWN","author":"BORED here","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-23 23:39:03","modified":"2005-12-23 23:39:03","fileurl":""},{"id":142388,"heading":"he bankrupted and leached off from the state?","article":"He had some surgery, and he filed bankruptcy, so what?\r\n\r\n","author":"Border Raven","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-24 07:15:19","modified":"2005-12-24 07:15:19","fileurl":""},{"id":142393,"heading":"Anarchist Sandbox","article":"&quot;Anarchist,&quot; schmanarchist.\r\n\r\nDo you all realize that the IMC, this sandbox you're playing in, is inspired by anarchistic politics?  Welcome to anarchism, or some variant of it.   If you're here, and posting,  you might already be an anarchist, and not realize it.\r\n\r\nHere are some of the principles of unity, and founding document of the IMC.  The POU establishes some minimum constraints on ideology.\r\n\r\nPRINCIPLES OF UNITY\r\n\r\n1. The Independent Media Center Network (IMCN) is based upon principles of equality, decentralization and local autonomy. The IMCN is not derived from a centralized bureaucratic process, but from the self-organization of autonomous collectives that recognize the importance in developing a union of networks.\r\n\r\n2. All IMC's consider open exchange of and open access to information a prerequisite to the building of a more free and just society.\r\n\r\n[3. All IMC's respect the right of activists who choose not to be photographed or filmed.]\r\n\r\n4. All IMC's, based upon the trust of their contributors and readers, shall utilize open web based publishing, allowing individuals, groups and organizations to express their views, anonymously if desired. **see appendix: Open Publishing document \r\n\r\n5. The IMC Network and all local IMC collectives shall be not-for-profit.\r\n\r\n6. All IMC's recognize the importance of process to social change and are committed to the development of non-hierarchical and anti-authoritarian relationships, from interpersonal relationships to group dynamics. Therefore, shall organize themselves collectively and be committed to the principle of consensus decision making and the development of a direct, participatory democratic process] that is transparent to its membership.\r\n\r\n7. [All IMC's recognize that a prerequisite for participation in the decision making process of each local group is the contribution of an individual's labor to the group.]\r\n\r\n8. All IMC's are committed to caring for one another and our respective communities both collectively and as individuals and will promote the sharing of resources including knowledge, skills and equipment.\r\n\r\n9. All IMC's shall be committed to the use of free source code, whenever possible, in order to develop the digital infrastructure, and to increase the independence of the network by not relying on proprietary software.\r\n\r\n10. All IMC's shall be committed to the principle of human equality, and shall not discriminate, including discrimination based upon race, gender, age, class or sexual orientation. Recognizing the vast cultural traditions within the network, we are committed to building [diversity] within our localities. ","author":"johnk","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-24 08:55:09","modified":"2005-12-24 08:55:09","fileurl":""},{"id":142399,"heading":"reply","article":"I realize that and I feel like I'm a guest here. To me, Anarchist isn't really a bad word like &quot;Nazi&quot; is. I've said it before, I'll say it again, with all due respect to the general idea of Anarchism I planned on reading all the literature on infoshop.org and other places. Because to this very day, I still don't have a complete understanding of them. But I think I can safely say that today's Anarchists aren't &quot;domestic terrorists,&quot; not even the ones who protest Gilchrist.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-24 12:28:10","modified":"2005-12-24 12:28:10","fileurl":""},{"id":142400,"heading":"info","article":"TWO IMPORTANT FRIDAY COSTA MESA ANTIRACIST\/ANTIWAR PROTESTS:\r\n\r\nSUPPORT OUR IMMIGRANT BROTHERS AND SISTERS-\r\n\r\nHERMANOS WELCOME TO ORANGE COUNTY AND CALIFORNA!\r\n\r\nMARCH and PROTEST\r\n\r\n\r\nFRIDAY, DECEMBER 23\r\n\r\nMarch: 3pm @South Coast Plaza\r\nmeet between 2-3pm at corner of Bristol and Sunflower (South Coast \r\nPlaza)\r\n333 Bristol St. Costa Mesa, CA 92626\r\n\r\nMarch to Costa Mesa Police Dept-MARCH & PROTEST: AGAINST a Costa Mesa \r\nproposal leading to EMPOWERMENT of its police and the deportation of \r\nimmigrants. \r\n\r\nMarch ends and Rally from 4-5PM Costa Mesa Police Department (33 Fair \r\nDrive). \r\nCosta Mesa, CA\r\n \r\n        &quot;The city council approved training  city police to enforce \r\nfederal \r\nimmigration law. The plan was scaled back from an original proposal \r\nthat could \r\nhave allowed patrol officers to detain illegal immigrants first stopped \r\nfor \r\nminor offenses such as jaywalking or soliciting day labor&quot;, (OC \r\nRegister)\r\n\r\nOur families and friends are not alone! We demand the complete \r\ndestruction of \r\nMayor Allan Mansoors' racists proposal and the immediate withdrawl of \r\ncity \r\ncouncils' vote to close the day-labor center!\r\n\r\nContact organizers at: ************* or ************** \r\nmore ifo \r\nat:WWW.ERRORCOLLECTIVE.ORG\r\n\r\n----------------------------------------------------------------------\r\nalso later:\r\n\r\nFriday Evening @ South Coast Plaza, Bristol & Anton, Costa Mesa\r\n\r\n5:00-7:00 PM\r\n\r\nFLASH-\r\nSANTA HAS TELEPHONED FROM THE NORTH POLE AND HAS PROMISED TO \r\nMAKE HIS ANNUAL APPERANCE AGAINST WAR AND RACISM AT BRISTOL & ANTON \r\nFRIDAY \r\nDECEMBER 23RD-\r\n\r\nFrom: ****************\r\n\r\n          Fri Orange County Peace & Justice Antiwar Protest and Support \r\nour \r\nimmigrant brothers and sisters from racist attacks by the Costa Mesa \r\nMayor and \r\ncity council-\r\n\r\nWE HAVE CELEBRATED  FOUR YEARS OF ANTIWAR\/ANTIRACIST                        \r\nWEEKLY PROTESTS IN COSTA MESA. Join your friends and make a stand.\r\n\r\nSee you in at Bristol & Anton. South Coast Plaza @ 5:00-7:00 pm, \r\nstanding up \r\nfor\r\nJUSTICE and PEACE! STOP THE WAR-STOP RACISM-STOP THE KILLING!\r\n\r\nend\r\n","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-24 12:33:55","modified":"2005-12-24 12:33:55","fileurl":""},{"id":142401,"heading":"reply","article":"It should be clear that I'm not on a clear side in this.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-24 12:34:16","modified":"2005-12-24 12:34:16","fileurl":""},{"id":142486,"heading":"It should be clear that I'm not on a clear side in this.","article":"Cliff, it looked quite clear tonight, which side you are on. The sorry attempt to disguise yourself, when going out in public, was a giveaway. \r\n\r\nBTW -- I spoke with JIm tonight, and just as I thought, he felt you were trying to hijack his campaign, on the eve of the election. He said, you were giving him an ultimatum, to answer you set of questions on the air, on election eve.\r\n\r\nNo candidate or handler of one, is going to do that.\r\n\r\nYou handled the infiltration of HQ by certain individuals, in an immature way. \r\n\r\nNow, if you have photos of Nazis or racists in SOS, CCIR, Gilchrist campaign, the Minutemen, FBI, CIA or IRS, then send them to me, with an explanation.\r\n\r\nNow if you'll excuse me I'm gonna go clean my gun.\r\n\r\n","author":"Border Raven","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-25 07:26:20","modified":"2005-12-25 07:26:20","fileurl":""},{"id":142487,"heading":"To SOS\/MMP","article":"If they want mexican out will they do the picking of the fruits and the vegetables, mowing lawns, etc. can you see Joe Turner picking stawberrys, Don Silva mowing lawns everyday, Gilchrist cleaning the toilet bowl. ","author":"El Chivo","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-25 07:28:05","modified":"2005-12-25 07:28:05","fileurl":""},{"id":142494,"heading":"SOS member has brandished a firearm in Lake Forest","article":"My mom reads the papers too. She told me about some agriculture fields in the Imperial Valley, I think it was, that needs workers to pick the foods. Any Americans are more than welcome to go there and get work.\r\n\r\nTime to reply to Border Raven!\r\n\r\n&quot;Cliff, it looked quite clear tonight, which side you are on. The sorry attempt to disguise yourself, when going out in public, was a giveaway.&quot;\r\n\r\nLike I said, I wasn't on a clear side. There's people on the scene who can verify that. Did you see my  hold a picket sign?\r\n\r\nSo I wore a bandana over my nose and mouth. So? I've done that at the border too, I'll go fetch a picture for you.\r\n\r\nI wasn't trying to hide my indentity. I wasn't wearing the bandana during the march itself. I tagged along to take pictures. I wore the bandana, with my beanie cap and shades, at the police station because, well, it's a police station. It's one thing to protest a Walmart or join a protest of thousands in Hollywood. It's another thing to stand among protesters at a freaking police station! Hello!\r\n\r\nI see you took my picture with your usual disposable film camera. I guess we'll have to wait a while to see it. I'll go ahead and reply again with a pic of me at the border with a bandana over my nose and mouth.\r\n\r\n&quot;BTW -- I spoke with JIm tonight, and just as I thought, he felt you were trying to hijack his campaign, on the eve of the election. He said, you were giving him an ultimatum, to answer you set of questions on the air, on election eve. &quot;\r\n\r\nIs that how he feels? Or is that what he simple said? Remember, when I spoke with him about the two people from Stormfront in his campaign, he acted like he didn't know. But one of those individuals admitted that Jim knew who they were but told them to not post about it on Stormfront.\r\n\r\nAs for my &quot;ultimatum,&quot; which was a challenge to publicly reject white supremacy on KFI, damn straight I gave him the challenge.\r\n\r\nI didn't try to hijack anything. I didn't go public until after the election itself. I made a presence at the KFI event, but the only people who saw it were the people there at the actual event.\r\n\r\n&quot;No candidate or handler of one, is going to do that.&quot;\r\n\r\nIt may be out of the ordinary, but because of the nature of the Minuteman Project and his campaign, he should. I mean, he would, right? Hmmmmm.\r\n\r\nNot that I would start a citizen border watch group, but if I were, rejecting white supremacy in the public would be the first thing I'd do. I'd do it any day and every day if I had to. Why can't Jim?\r\n\r\n&quot;You handled the infiltration of HQ by certain individuals, in an immature way. &quot;\r\n\r\nNah-ah. When I started with the campaign, I supported it like anyone else in there did.\r\n\r\n&quot;Now, if you have photos of Nazis or racists in SOS, CCIR, Gilchrist campaign, the Minutemen, FBI, CIA or IRS, then send them to me, with an explanation. &quot;\r\n\r\nWe caught two of them in the campaign. One is ready to put all this behind him, from Laguna Beach to the current drama, and I wish him well. The other, I'm not sure. And since when do I answer to you Border Raven?\r\n\r\n&quot;Now if you'll excuse me I'm gonna go clean my gun.&quot; \r\n\r\nDo you mean the gun you brandished in Lake Forest?\r\n\r\nAnd what would compell you to type something like right here?\r\n\r\nEveryone, be aware of Bordern Raven if you see him at any future events. In Lake Forest, after a person assaulted Spillz and took off with others in a vehicle, Border Raven got in his vehicle and gave chase. Upon returning, he admitted to displaying a weapon and said the other party ducked and sped off. He said the his gun was unloaded, but it's not like the other party knew that. Last night at the Costa Mesa protest, he finally acknowledged it and said it was because he was dealing with felon criminals. But the thing is, he gave chase and wasn't being chased. He displayed his gun. The other party, as BorderRaven said, ducked and sped off. Was BorderRaven trying to conduct some kind of citizens arrest? As far as the other party knew, a man chased them in a vehicle and displayed a gun. What does that tell you? Which certainly escalating things there. The police will probably not pursue the one who attacked Spillz, because the attacker can just note BorderRaven's brandishing of a firearm. Real smart BorderRaven.\r\n\r\nBorderRaven told me himself that he may face a brandishing charge. Certainly it's at least a foolish choice of actions. Brandishing? It was explained to me what brandishing a weapon is. Ultimately, let the Lake Forest police department decide.\r\n\r\nAnd last night, BorderRaven took pictures of the demonstrators. I took his picture, but I guess that wasn't okay. He walked up to me, yelling at me, called me an &quot;***hole,&quot; and actually tried to tug at my bandana.\r\n\r\nSo anyone who sees him at future events, keep an eye out for him. Inform any police officers of this information for their awareness. If you see BorderRaven do anything else stupid, hopefully you or someone has footage of it.\r\n\r\nI still haven't addressed this situation to the Lake Forest city officials, but I better get on that.\r\n\r\nOkay, where's that picture of me at Jacumba...","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-25 10:58:16","modified":"2005-12-25 10:58:16","fileurl":""},{"id":142496,"heading":"pic","article":"Here's me at the border at Jacumba. See? I've worn bandanas before. Surprise!!\r\n\r\nOne of the people Border Raven was with last night said I looked like a terrorist. That it was obscene to wear a bandana over my mouth, shades, and a snow cap. Hahaha! Interesting to see that perspective. To experience it really.\r\n\r\nAnd BorderRaven yelling at me, calling me an ***hole for taking his picture. I'm not sure if it was before or after he realized it was me. But that's the first time I've been confronted in such a manner by an SOS member before. Joe Turner must be proud. Actually, he probably is.\r\n\r\nSOS can go ahead and consider me their opposition. I'd be honored if they called me a goon.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2005-12-25 11:02:05","modified":"2005-12-25 11:02:05","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/12\/showletter.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/12\/showletter.jpg"}},{"id":142501,"heading":"I'd rather face a trial by jury, than this kangaroo court","article":"Cliff,  if  you are trying to intimidate me from attending any rallies, forget it.  I'll not stop doing, what I do, because of punks like you.\r\n\r\nTake what you have to the LFPD, I'll face them and the DA. I'd rather face a trial by judge and jury, than this kangaroo court.\r\n\r\nNow that it's out in the open. You should note,  I keep firearms, and transport them in my vehicle, in accordance with California laws (I've read them extensively as part of being a gun owner).  Some California gun laws, need to be challenged in the courts, for constitutionallity, in the present age. Chances are, I'll get an NRA lawyer, to handle the case.\r\n\r\nI am a veteran, and retired from the military. Before getting involved in illegal-immigration, I was involved with survivalism, and ready for the world to fall apart. \r\n\r\nNo, Cliff, I'll show up at rallies, I anticipate your  reaction. You'll probably, go and tell the cops, that I have firearms, and all about Lake Forest. Eventually, they'll tire of your rants, like everyone in Indy Media is. I did what I had to do under the circumstances, of the moment. It was an &quot;experience&quot; of life. Having a second chance, I'll probably do things differently, next time. I think I handled it well -- you don't know the rest or how badly it could have turned out. I got their plate number, they got away, I am alive to sit here today.\r\n\r\nCliff, you go ahead and enjoy the the First amendment, I'll enjoy the Second.\r\n\r\nStop being such a holophobe.\r\n\r\nBR\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Border Raven","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-25 13:24:24","modified":"2005-12-25 13:24:24","fileurl":""},{"id":142502,"heading":"Correction","article":"&quot;Hoplophobe&quot;\r\n&quot;hoplophobia,&quot;  is an irrational fear of firearms. \r\n\r\nWhat is a rational fear of firearms?\r\nWhen someone is pointing a loaded gun at you.\r\n\r\nBR\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Border Raven","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-25 13:32:05","modified":"2005-12-25 13:32:05","fileurl":""},{"id":142518,"heading":"reply","article":"&quot; Having a second chance, I'll probably do things differently, next time.&quot;\r\n\r\nWell okay, I'm at least glad to hear that.\r\n\r\nGo ahead and show up at events, I don't give a rats ass.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-25 13:45:44","modified":"2005-12-25 13:45:44","fileurl":""},{"id":142536,"heading":"reply","article":"Yeah yeah yeah, whatever OC, whoever you are. I brought one person to Laguna, who I saw was a borderline case afterall. I explained all this. As for the idea of me going public on Indymedia, that's a real laugh. Like I said, I'm not joining ANSWER or whatever group out there. I'm not asking for sensitive information. I'm just out there observing and doing whatever. No one reading this has to tell me anything they don't want to. I'd rather keep things simple thank you very much.\r\n\r\nNow if you excuse me, I have some more footage to look over.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-25 17:38:58","modified":"2005-12-25 17:38:58","fileurl":""},{"id":142552,"heading":"Crockster's footage","article":"&quot;Now if you excuse me, I have some more footage to look over&quot;\r\n---------------------------------------------------------------------\r\nI have some &quot;footage&quot; for you to look over too, Crocky;\r\nsize 8.......","author":"AyatollahGondola","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-25 20:33:52","modified":"2005-12-25 20:33:52","fileurl":""},{"id":142553,"heading":"reply","article":"Is that a threat Aya?","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-25 20:36:11","modified":"2005-12-25 20:36:11","fileurl":""},{"id":142561,"heading":"SOS invited National Alliance","article":"if you care enough you would look thru the archieves in here. one of the first  counter i went was Baldwin Park and Victorville. You can see the National Alliance were there too. and plus the Victorville protest was not a SOS event. Who was it? It's the National Alliance. SOS went to NA rally. How interesting? SOS support NA rally. in laguana beach at the Sawdust fest the NA made a banner which has Save Our State.\r\n\r\nAlso, the National Allance\/neo nazi would have been there if Jammer never met the guy.\r\n \r\nRemember your legacy Mr. Tom Metzgerr was one of organizer for the border watch.","author":"El Chivo","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-25 21:19:53","modified":"2005-12-25 21:19:53","fileurl":""},{"id":142574,"heading":"exactly","article":"I've never been in contact with the National Alliance themselves. I just had a friend named Mark and should have known better than to bring someone with his apperance to Laguna Beach on July 30th. July 30th was a total mess, an absolute blunder. My very first day in all this and quite frankly, should have been my last.\r\n\r\nAnd not to return Ayatollah's gesture towards me in any way he may have meant, but by shoe size is 10.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-26 02:35:01","modified":"2005-12-26 02:35:01","fileurl":""},{"id":142575,"heading":"to clarify","article":"&quot;As for the idea of me going public on Indymedia...&quot;\r\n\r\nI should clarify on that because I just read that and said it's a real laugh and realized someone could read it wrongly. I did not mean to imply that going public on Gilchrist on Indymedia was a laugh. It's serious. It's good practice, it's been effective moreso than I thought it would be, and I'm really liking what Indymedia is and what it's mean to be.\r\n\r\nWhat I meant was a laugh was the idea of me getting involved in Indymedia or some organization opposing the Minutemen, and then going public on that organization. No no, that won't happen. Like I said, I stepped back from the issue itself. I have my own issue with the SOS\/Minuteman stuff going on around here.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-26 02:40:44","modified":"2005-12-26 02:40:44","fileurl":""},{"id":142598,"heading":"Size apparent","article":"&quot;And not to return Ayatollah's gesture towards me in any way he may have meant, but by shoe size is 10.&quot;\r\n______________________________________\r\nI already knew that Crocky. I could tell from the size of your mouth. it is fortunate for you that the fit is compatible since we see one of the two in there all the time.\r\nOh, and sorry  I ran out of present money prior to buying yours this year. I had a nice perfume picked out too\r\nObsession\r\n","author":"AyatollahGondola","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-26 18:33:52","modified":"2005-12-26 18:33:52","fileurl":""},{"id":142623,"heading":"to clarify again","article":"_______________________________\r\n&quot;You handled the infiltration of HQ by certain individuals, in an immature way. &quot; \r\n\r\nNah-ah. When I started with the campaign, I supported it like anyone else in there did. \r\n__________________________________\r\n\r\nI didn't realize BR meant the infiltration of the two Stormfronters. Well they supported the campaign as well. Unless you mean infiltration as in seeing if the coast is clear for other Stormfront people to come on in and campaign for Gilchrist. I'm not sure how clear the coast was, this was happening at a time when I wasn't visiting the campaign offices for a while.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-27 02:04:23","modified":"2005-12-27 02:04:23","fileurl":""},{"id":142624,"heading":"reply","article":"Oh yeah, I thought BR meant my infiltration, which is nonexistant because like I said, I supported the campaign when I started. Then came November 12th. Then November 15th when finding out about the two Stormfronters in the campaign. And one coming clean. And so on and so forth.\r\n\r\nGilchrist and the Minutemen and anyone else who support him need to step aside and let other people, ones who reject racism, solve the problem aspects of the issue of people here against US immigration laws. I agree, there are issues to deal with. But the Minuteman name is tainted. No thanks Minutemen, not in my name.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-27 02:08:53","modified":"2005-12-27 02:08:53","fileurl":""},{"id":142626,"heading":"Not in your exhalted name","article":"Don't worry Crocky,\r\n\r\nYour name is hardly a trading commodity among those who matter. I forget who said &quot;He who steals my wallet steals trash, but he who steals my good name....&quot;\r\nIn your case the wallet would be the only thing worthy of protecting.\r\nAnd Gilchrist step aside for the likes of you? Don't make me laugh. It hurts when I laugh. Let's just recount your tenure within this field.\r\n\r\nName:\r\nCliff Crock\r\n\r\nExperience:\r\n6 months___ 1 Year___ 2 years__ 3 years__\r\ncheck one\r\n\r\nReferences:\r\nlist the people who value your contribution\r\n_____________________\r\n________________________\r\n_________________________\r\n\r\nGo ahead. Let's see if you can qualify as anything more than apprentice goon ","author":"AyatollahGondola","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-27 03:02:50","modified":"2005-12-27 03:02:50","fileurl":""},{"id":142627,"heading":"infiltration of HQ","article":"What was that all about. Jim mentioned there was a male-female couple in there, and the guy came clean and said, &quot;he was at that stage in his life where he decided to correct his course, and not be a part of White Supremcacy&quot;  \r\n\r\nIs that about how it went?\r\n\r\nThen you enter the Campaign HQ and see the two of them there and do what you felt needed to be done.\r\n\r\nI wasn't there, so ..\r\n\r\n\r\nanyway, rather than hash this out here, I'd suggest you , the couple and Jim, meet and talk it out, rather than continue a mis-understanding. Heck take Joe, Don and Leslie too, so we get balanced reporting.\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Border Raven","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-27 03:30:51","modified":"2005-12-27 03:30:51","fileurl":""},{"id":142631,"heading":"O RLY?","article":"I spoke with Steve Eichler on the phone back when this was happening. He said he spoke with the male of the couple, asked him if he would renounce that Stormfront, supremacy, whatever it was he was into, and basically got a NO for an answer.\r\n\r\nAnd there's the case with photos in Laguna Beach. Too big a risk to the campaign, I felt at the time.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-27 04:17:08","modified":"2005-12-27 04:17:08","fileurl":""},{"id":142634,"heading":"O RLY part 2","article":"And when did you speak with Jim, like hours ago? If Jim is now saying that, why didn't he say that to me on the phone back when this was happening? Why did the male of the couple post on Stormfront calling for people there to campaign for Gilchrist? And why did he go back there of all places and post about being in the campaign?\r\n\r\nI communicated with the male fo the couple again a few days ago online and NOW he wants to put all this behind him. So let's leave him alone and focus on Gilchrist. He's got some things to address and I don't see any other way other than doing it publicly. At least on his website. Not on the phone with me or you or whoever. Whether or not he'd publicly reject white supremacy is the question I want to know the answer to. Will he at least pretend to? Or is there some kind of consequence if he even utters the words? How about denouncing any help and supported offered by(and given by) white supremacists and similar people involved in organized racism?\r\n\r\nDodge the questions for campaign strategy? I don't think so. Forget that. The election's over. He needs to answer to the public. To the media, press, etc. People need to keep raising the questions until their answered. Get all the Minuteman participants to hear this and get them thinking. Would Gilchrist go on KFI or FOX news or CNN and say, &quot;I officially reject white supremacy and oppose it along with any other organized racism.&quot; Would he say that and mean it? Hmmmm.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-27 04:50:12","modified":"2005-12-27 04:50:12","fileurl":""},{"id":142659,"heading":"O RLY part 2","article":"Jammer,\r\n\r\nI suggested you and all involved meet and discuss it like grown ups, but if you are incapable of behaving, like a grown up, then perhaps they'll wait until you grow up.\r\n\r\nI'm not involved with the situation, you are.\r\n\r\n","author":"Border Raven","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-27 19:28:32","modified":"2005-12-27 19:28:32","fileurl":""},{"id":142680,"heading":"reply","article":"Nah-ah. That won't do any good. It has to be done in the public.\r\n\r\nEven then, there are too many reasons why the Minuteman name is tainted and temporary. Enjoy it while you can, because it won't last.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-27 23:29:52","modified":"2005-12-27 23:29:52","fileurl":""},{"id":142700,"heading":"infact","article":"I did try to talk it out with them. Repeatedly. What happened? I got kicked out of the campaign! What else is there to do? Anything they can say to me, they can say to the world. If a certain OC Weekly reporter has finally found some batteries for his tape recorder, let's do this!","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-28 08:53:13","modified":"2005-12-28 08:53:13","fileurl":""},{"id":142701,"heading":"From Ken, the 58 year old bicyclist in Lake Forest","article":"It's okay for me to paste the email Ken sent me. Ken is the guy who Gilchrist called an &quot;Anarchist&quot; in Lake Forest.\r\n\r\n_______________________________________\r\nIt was Sunday 12\/11\/05 and I was on my way to church when I notice, as I was passing the corner off El Toro and Jeronimo, a group holding up signs that had pejorative comments directed towards our Latin brothers whom normally occupy that particular corner.  I got curious, so I pulled into the nursery and walked over to where the sign holding group was now engaged in conversation with an Orange County Sheriff Deputy.  As soon as I approached the officer directed his attention to me and asked what group I belonged to.  I responded by saying &quot;I would not belong to any group that would have me as a member&quot;.  The officer began laughing uncontrollably and when he gained his composure he replied &quot;that's the best one I've heard all day&quot;, then got in his patrol car and left.\r\n \r\nAs soon as the officer left the group formed a semi-circle around a little man who was bristling with an obvious napoleon complex and now they were directing their unresolved hate do to childhood trauma towards me.  Napoleon (whom I later learned was actually the infamous Jim Gilchrist) exploded into a furious tirade as he backed deeper into the semi-circle of his dilapidated would be goon squad, calling me a collection of ugly names one of which was anarchist before telling me &quot;I was not welcome there&quot; in a burst of other insults and then he disappeared behind his curtain of ridiculous goons as quickly as he had appeared.\r\n \r\nThis, I must admit, is all a lot of fun but on a more serious note - after observing Napoleon's bucolic group of followers, I am convinced that they represent the ubiquitous undereducated, functionally illiterate follower.  But there is one element that I am having trouble with.  I can't get myself to beleive that Gilchrist is really as naive as he appears.  Everybody (his followers excluded) knows that the only threshold that holds back the blossoming of Marxism in the delicate economies south of the United States is the economic relief that is provided by our very porous boarder.\r\n \r\n \r\n                                            Thank You,\r\n                                                             Ken Mock","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-28 08:57:43","modified":"2005-12-28 08:57:43","fileurl":""},{"id":142729,"heading":"Get a life Jammer PLEASE","article":"Jammer, my god, enough all ready.  YAWN and DOUBLE YAWN.  ZZZzzzzzzzzzzz","author":"More bored than before","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-28 22:52:30","modified":"2005-12-28 22:52:30","fileurl":""},{"id":142830,"heading":"LOOK OUT JAMMER","article":"I have it on good authority...that Ken guy is a spy Jammer!!!  You know him by his aluminum head gear!\r\nOK it may be invisible to the naked eye BUT you need only put on the 3D glasses (get them at the drop spot by the river)\r\n\r\nYes you know that this is verifiable because it's all been imprinted on the sides of the stone like mason project.  YES THAT ONE....","author":"Ken is a spy...Heed this!","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-30 19:13:29","modified":"2005-12-30 19:13:29","fileurl":""},{"id":142841,"heading":"oookay","article":"Your post looks like a joke. But just incase someone skims through it and thinks it's real, lemme reply. On what authority is Ken a spy? By &quot;aluminum head gear&quot; I'm not sure if you mean his bicycle helmet or the idea of wearing tin foil on his head. I don't recall the color of his helmet but I think he was wearing one. I think the part about 3D glasses is where it's obvious you're joking.\r\n\r\nI'm not taking Ken's email as absolute fact, for example, I can't proove that Jim Gilchrist has a &quot;napoleon complex.&quot; But I thought it was worth showing as an email someone has sent me.\r\n\r\nIn other news, SOS has claimed victory for defeating a day labor pick up spot(not an official day labor center) in Lake Forest.\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.saveourstate.org\/forums\/index.php?showtopic=6664\r\n\r\nIndeed I drove by there, El Toro where Carls Jr is, today and only saw one person standing there. But there were PLENTY of apparent would be day labor workers around the liquor store at Jeronimo and El Toro.\r\n\r\nThere was a small group of men loitering at the shoe repair store across the road from Carls Jr.\r\n\r\nAnd people at Jeronimo and Cherry, as well as Jeronimo and Los Alisos.\r\n\r\nIf they really want to shut down the day labor pick ups, they'll have to get enough members on each spot on each morning. Good luck doing that.","author":"Jammer CC","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-30 19:41:27","modified":"2005-12-30 19:41:27","fileurl":""},{"id":142938,"heading":"Jammer where were you?","article":"You did not meet me at the river.  Why?  I waited.  Now that you have taken this stance, Ken will need to be explained to the entire population, at large.   The ENTIRE population - do you realize what that means? \r\n\r\nThe glasses are still available however.","author":"You did not heed...","parent_id":142214,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-12-31 23:38:58","modified":"2005-12-31 23:38:58","fileurl":""}]}