{"article":{"id":136523,"heading":"some charged ion plasmas used in warfare","author":"not jeff gannon","created":"2005-10-03 11:54:12","modified":"2005-10-28 17:28:22","last_modified":"Sat, 29 Oct 2005 00:28:22","article":"<br><br> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.luxefaire.com\/chargedionplasmas\/index.html\" rel=\"nofollow\">http:\/\/www.luxefaire.com\/chargedionplasmas\/index.html<\/a>   <br>  <br> \n","contact":"","link":"","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/plain","summary":"ENMOD is illegal beause it is radiation technology which hurts people...we would know more about this except the first records of the the experiments were destoyed when OKC fed buldg went....b  ","numcomment":56,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2005\/10\/136523.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":136532,"heading":"a flake by any other name","article":"&quot;records of the the experiments were destoyed when OKC fed buldg went&quot;\r\n\r\nmy how convenient for you @$100 - and a mere paper  shredder won't do - for such grand conspiracies we need something BIG like a huge explosion because when such earth shattering evidence is written down the paper becomes resistant to shredding - &quot;super paper&quot;\r\n\r\nbut be careful - superpaper is radioactive and will kill us all,  just like that deadly dioxygen hydride..\r\n\r\nthat proof was destroyed too - by the big bang - so don't expect any documentation to be sent to support it.. \r\n(and don't expect that $100 to be sent either)\r\n\r\n\r\nand &quot;ENMOD&quot; - what's that sheepdog, I mean &quot;@&quot;, I mean &quot;not billder&quot;\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2005-10-03 15:43:25","modified":"2005-10-03 15:43:25","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/10\/100-000-front.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/10\/100-000-front.jpg"}},{"id":136538,"heading":"calm down, Whizz","article":"what ARE you ranting about now? \r\nConfusing me with everyone else, I see. I didn't post this. \r\n What shredder?  More of your 'visions' from those voices in your head?  I wasn't even going to comment on this thread until you began to gleep and pick. \r\nDon't stop now, for heaven's sake.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-03 16:58:51","modified":"2005-10-03 16:58:51","fileurl":""},{"id":136539,"heading":"let the datamining begin...","article":"http:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20020603035005\/http:\/\/www.luxefaire.com\/\r\n\r\nAll articles, images, and writing Copyright William Joseph Gallagher, of Hachita, New Mexico\r\n\r\nemail billder\r\n\r\nwest point\r\n\r\nClass of 1981\r\n\r\nWILLIAM JOSEPH GALLAGHER\r\n\r\n\r\nAward\r\n\r\nCASE SUMMARY\r\n\r\nClaimant alleged fraud, deceit, omission, negligence, churning, unsuitability, breach of fiduciary duty, and failure to supervise. 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billder\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/chemtrailcentral.com\/forum\/viewforum.php?f=14&topicdays=0&start=50\r\n\r\n\r\nby Bill Gallagher Hachita, New Mexico. The spraying of powdered materials throughout the skies of the world is happening on a daily basis everywhere. ...\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.bariumblues.com\/chemtrails%20electro-sensitive.htm\r\n\r\n\r\nClick Here To Read The Truth About Chemtrails\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.luxefaire.com\/\r\n\r\n\r\nisraels DARPA TIA ENMOD PLAYAS NEW MEXICO\r\n\r\nChemtrails and Terror in the Age of nuclear War \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.luxefaire.com\/darpatiaplayas\/index.html\r\n\r\n\r\nAuthor: BILL GALLAGHER HACHITA NM ENMOD -- The Key ... By Bill Gallagher 051404 http:\/\/www.luxefaire.com\/electro.html Chemtrails And Terror In \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/tampaindymedia.org\/bin\/site\/templates\/default.asp?area_2=imc\/open%20newswire\/2004\/Aug\/66862.2421875.dat\r\n\r\n\r\nPHOTOGRAPH CHEMTRAILS AND MUTANT PLANT LIFE AND FRUIT....THEY DO NOT EVEN MENTION \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/okimc.org\/newswire.php?story_id=1134\r\n\r\n\r\nChemtrails are just the visible part of the Radiant Arsenal, and below you can see some excerpts ... billder888 Joined: 14 Oct 2004 Posts: 3 Location: Hachita NM\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/nightskylive.net\/asterisk\/viewtopic.php?p=996&sid=0ac533498c518db880c627a7c92789be\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nAll Articles by Bill Gallagher, Hachita, New Mexico. All Pix by Bill Gallagher \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.cmaq.net\/fr\/node.php?id=17060\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nTHE NWO NEEDED TO KNOW IF THE PEOPLE WOULD SQUAWK ABOUT CHEMTRAILS--THEY DIDN'T ... and if you can mail a copy to Bill Gallagher PO BOX 125 Hachita NM 88040, that ... \r\n\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/worldvisionportal.org\/WVPforum\/posting.php?mode=quote&p=473\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nAbout Chemtrails. WRITE-INS ARE THE ONLY HOPE FOR AMERICA NOW. Declaration Of Write-in Presidential Candidacy of Billder Bill Gallagher Hachita New Mexico, ... \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/buzzbob.com\/index\/l\/luxefaire_com.html\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nChemtrails From Hachita New Mexico 061504\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/atlanta.buffaloimc.org\/newswire\/index.php?section=&category=&local=&limit_start=1700\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nThe Coin used by Russia to buy a BIG piece of the New World Order ... hachita nm 2004 by Bill Gallagher\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/sa.indymedia.org\/news\/2005\/08\/8710.php\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nChemtrails From Hachita new mexico 061504. Submitted by billder\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/dc.indymedia.org\/otherpress\/display\/1642\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nMilitary presence increasing here in south new mexico in Last few days, ... sprayings of chemtrails from the Last two days in Hachita NM \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/tampabay.indymedia.org\/bin\/site\/templates\/default.asp?area_2=imc\/open%20newswire\/2005\/Feb\/71908.8671875.dat\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nChemtrails From Hachita New Mexico 061604. by billder \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/indybay.org\/news\/2004\/06\/1685671.php\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nChemtrails from Hachita new mexico 061504. by billder \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/atlanta.buffaloimc.org\/newswire\/index.php?limit_start=1720\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nChemtrails and Terror in the Age of Nuclear War \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/tampabay.indymedia.org\/bin\/site\/templates\/default.asp?area_2=imc\/open%20newswire\/2004\/Sep\/70167.953125.dat\r\n\r\n\r\none of The govt lies concerning chemtrails Is as A shield against UV....this Is being fervently ... All Articles By Bill Gallagher Hachita New Mexico\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/santacruz.indymedia.org\/newswire\/display\/9563\/index.php\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nnew hampshire \u00b7 new jersey \u00b7 new mexico \u00b7 new orleans \u00b7 north carolina \u00b7 north texas ... chemtrails and Terror in the Age of nuclear War \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.confluenceweb.org\/front.php3?article_id=15027&group=webcast\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nChemtrails and the US Air Force, Chemtrails over Canada, Chemtrail Spraying in Canada, ... All Articles by Bill Gallagher, Hachita, New Mexico\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.mimico-by-the-lake.com\/BLACK-OP.HTM\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nAll Articles by Bill Gallagher, Hachita, New Mexico. ... If people were to consider the published science regarding chemtrails\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.survivalistskills.com\/MKULTRA.HTM\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nSome great shots of chemtrails and chemtrail planes on the http:\/\/www.survivalistskills. com\/MKULTRA.HTM ... All Articles by Bill Gallagher, > Hachita, New Mexico\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www2.usenetarchive.org\/Dir5\/File45.html\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nSome great shots of chemtrails and chemtrail planes on the ... all Articles by Bill Gallagher, > Hachita, new Mexico. all Pix by Bill Gallagher \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.talkaboutculture.com\/group\/soc.culture.asean\/messages\/67360.html\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n1,130 hits for &quot;Chemtrails From Hachita New Mexico&quot;\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nas you can see billder is the main spammer himself of the chemtrails scam - and most of the posts point back to his website where he's SELLING all sorts of trinkets FOR PROFIT\r\n\r\n\r\nHe's simply using conspiracy theories as a draw to attract PEOPLE GULLIBLE ENOUGH TO BUY HIS PRODUCTS\r\n\r\n\r\nHe's using IMC's for free advertising ;\r\n\r\n&quot;ENMOD&quot; site:indymedia.org - 25,800 hits\r\n\r\n&quot;luxefaire&quot; site:indymedia.org - 229 hits\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2005-10-03 18:28:52","modified":"2013-11-11 00:35:36","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/10\/spammer3.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/10\/spammer3.jpg"}},{"id":136661,"heading":"free adds","article":"Like that Hawkins number that keeps trying to sell his crapy\r\n'Through the Eyes of Shiva'.\r\nNice of you to posts all the links.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-05 12:22:41","modified":"2005-10-05 12:22:41","fileurl":""},{"id":136665,"heading":"the $ 100,000 ripoff artist","article":"yeah  but he didn't do a big con job where he got a judgement against him for 100 times more than the $ 100 you promised to send to &quot;buy&quot; advertising after-the-fact\r\n\r\nthat's a pretty cheap ad rate - about 50 cents per ad\r\n\r\nand all those &quot;ENMOD&quot; and CHEMTRAIL posts all over the web - that makes you a major heavy spammer\r\n\r\nthe reason why you were always so stubborn about them while never providing any proof is now clear\r\n\r\nbecause YOU are the single biggest source OF the chemtrail scam yourself\r\n\r\n8 out of 10 pictures and articles about chemtrails come FROM YOU - the main pusher\r\n\r\nODD ISN'T IT that 80 % of all chemtrail spraying world-wide occurs JUST IN YOUR HOMETOWN\r\n\r\nyou're not part of the chemtrail conspiracy - you ARE the chemtrail conspiracy\r\n\r\nand the websites, the trinkets, the &quot;lost technology&quot; ALL FOR SALE like Tesla's BS, your &quot;bio rings&quot; - your magic jewelry scam that backfired (that's a great way to make far more profit from otherwise ordinary &quot;hand crafted&quot; trinkets) - like your FAKE ANTIQUES you actually make yourself\r\n\r\neverything about you is a fake and a scam\r\n\r\nand as a true con artist you have no shame - no limit to the lies\r\n\r\nwhat's $ 100 when you've scammed people out of 100 times that much - besides being money well spent even if you did..\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-05 12:57:24","modified":"2005-10-05 12:57:24","fileurl":""},{"id":136677,"heading":"yanking your chain","article":"Ha ha you crack me up, Whizz.  If the IMC people check to find out, they will see that I am not this other guy.\r\nAsk them yourself.\r\nI hope they had an ale on me.  You know the KIND of ale, Whizz; Arrogant Bastard.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-05 16:32:56","modified":"2005-10-05 16:32:56","fileurl":""},{"id":136691,"heading":"my the hostility","article":"sorta like when you accused me of NOT having a station, of being an agent, of being wrong about academicly sourced scientific knowledge\r\n\r\nwhere's your data to back that up ?\r\n\r\nwhere's your data on &quot;ENMOD&quot;  - oh I forgot, it was &quot;destoyed&quot; in a huge explosion\r\n\r\nI have data - LOTS MORE DATA\r\n\r\nbillder &quot;Omnivore&quot; site:indymedia.org - 2 hits\r\nsheepdog &quot;Bearden&quot; site:indymedia.org - 3 hits\r\nbillder &quot;sheepdog&quot; site:indymedia.org - 6 hits\r\nsheepdog &quot;ENMOD&quot; site:indymedia.org - 8 hits\r\nsheepdog &quot;scalar&quot; site:indymedia.org - 8 hits\r\nsheepdog &quot;Omnivore&quot; site:indymedia.org - 8 hits\r\nsheepdog &quot;tesla&quot; site:indymedia.org - 10 hits\r\nbillder &quot;Bearden&quot; site:indymedia.org - 14 hits\r\nbillder &quot;tesla&quot; site:indymedia.org - 55 hits\r\nsheepdog &quot;chemtrails&quot; site:indymedia.org - 55 hits\r\nsheepdog &quot;radiation&quot; site:indymedia.org - 60 hits\r\nbillder &quot;scalar&quot; site:indymedia.org - 119 hits\r\nbillder &quot;ELECTRO-SENSITIVE&quot; site:indymedia.org - 129 hits\r\nbillder &quot;radiation&quot; site:indymedia.org - 242 hits\r\n&quot;lapidary&quot; site:indymedia.org - 386 hits\r\n&quot;billder&quot; site:indymedia.org - 351 hits\r\n&quot;sheepdog&quot; site:indymedia.org - 511 hits\r\nbillder &quot;chemtrails&quot; site:indymedia.org - 374 hits\r\nsheepdog &quot;new mexico&quot; site:indymedia.org - 466 hits\r\nbillder &quot;new mexico&quot; site:indymedia.org - 232 hits\r\n\r\ngee - that's odd, you sure do TALK THE SAME\r\n\r\nuse the same unusual words - and NEW MEXICO comes up in your conversation a lot too...\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-06 03:03:31","modified":"2005-10-06 03:03:31","fileurl":""},{"id":136698,"heading":"you are an agent, you have no station.","article":"And I have never posted anything about NM.\r\n","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-06 09:35:03","modified":"2005-10-06 09:35:03","fileurl":""},{"id":136700,"heading":"' unusual words '","article":"That hurts. \r\nWhich words do you think I should stop using?  Come on, Mr. Whizzard, tell me which words are the dead-give-away. \r\nWords like 'active transport' or 'sublimation?' \r\nHa ha ha ha.  \r\nTesla!  HARRP!  Chemtrails!  Aerosol Trails! \r\nHa ha ha ha.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-06 10:18:45","modified":"2005-10-06 10:18:45","fileurl":""},{"id":136701,"heading":"oh wow...","article":"Did I spell HAARP as HARRP?  Oh my.  \r\nForgive me.  Please.\r\nI beg you because  I can't STAND the scorn.  I could begin crying like a little girl, as I always do, when I feel insecure.\r\nDon't do this to me.\r\nNo.\r\nDon't.\r\n","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-06 10:24:39","modified":"2005-10-06 10:24:39","fileurl":""},{"id":136704,"heading":"&quot;stop using&quot; - try stop spamming","article":"unusual words crossed with handles is what datamining is all about\r\n\r\nthe statistics show *only you and billder* use most of these words or post these subjects\r\n\r\nit also shows something else - either you OR him post but never TOGETHER\r\n\r\nalso, you extensively post HIS MATERIAL on here yet *you two have never had a conversation*\r\n\r\nsheepdog is only used on here & portland IMC but a 3'rd &quot;omnivore&quot; speaks FOR sheepdog\r\n\r\nall these handles cross with eachother...\r\n\r\nand lastly when I insulted billder (even though he posts extensively on IMC) it was YOU who blew up, YOU who reacted - NOT HIM\r\n\r\nwhen I posted his embarrassing picture, again it was YOU who reacted and became hostile and NOT HIM\r\n\r\n\r\nhere I am doing an expose' on him and it's YOU NOT HIM replying, YOU becoming hostile\r\n\r\nand no conversation appears ANYWHERE - not on any IMC and nowhere else on the web *between you two*\r\n\r\nyou forgot to talk to yourself as part of the deception\r\n\r\nyou use plenty of his material on IMC and he posts plenty of spam on IMC as well so he's aware of it...\r\n\r\nbut not a word has ever been exchanged between you\r\n\r\nthis datamining doesn't include an analysis of the hidden posts either\r\n\r\nthis reveals that billder started heavyly spamming and his posts started being hidden, THEN HE DISAPPEARED AND YOU TOOK OVER, but at a smaller volume - to avoid the same fate\r\n\r\nbut you did get the same fate after all - the list of  hidden &quot;sheepdog&quot; posts is large and growing - as I pointed out and as you &quot;proudly&quot; pasted yourself\r\n\r\nand *where* this changeover from billder to sheepdog took place is where his posts started being hidden - HERE and PORTLAND\r\n\r\non other IMC's which tolerate your spam you still post as billder...\r\n \r\nand you &quot;two&quot; have never had a conversation\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-06 11:55:05","modified":"2005-10-06 11:55:05","fileurl":""},{"id":136705,"heading":"furthermore, Mr. Whizz...","article":" \r\nYou see, Mr. Whizzard, 'you' have a problem. \r\nI have a nearly total recall.  I have no problem remembering anything I've ever read or written.  You, on the other hand, have to go through miles of my posts to come up with nada.  And BTW, your suppositions are not really anything to hang a towel on. \r\nI think I know what you are here for and it amuses me to throw sand into your 'scientific' ( Mr. Tom Terrific ) analysis when I know for a fact that you are using pure BS Degree rational to derail serious questions into such areas of sinister cover up as DU pollution or the application of chemtrails which exist over more than just my city. \r\nAnyone who engages in a search engine query will see that you are full of...BS degree. \r\nI wont let you claim technical omnipotence even if that is your intent.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-06 11:58:30","modified":"2005-10-06 11:58:30","fileurl":""},{"id":136707,"heading":"I have a problem ? - where's MY hidden posts ?","article":"> nearly total recall. I have no problem remembering anything I've ever read or written.\r\n\r\nwhich is why you're a natural born spammer - but you can't cover all the bases like computers can, you can't do it perfectly and any slipup is revealed\r\n\r\n- you forgot to talk to yourself and you forgot the timestamps \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n> You, on the other hand, have to go through miles of my posts to come up with nada\r\n\r\n\r\nno a computer does it in a fraction of a second - much faster than the tens of thousands of man-hours you've invested into spamming the web\r\n\r\n - gee I wonder why you would spend so much time doing that ?\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n> chemtrails which exist over more than just my city.\r\n\r\nwhoops\r\n\r\n1.) that's what I found by datamining - 80 % &quot;just your city&quot;\r\n2.) and where's that EVIDENCE you never have\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n> throw sand into your 'scientific' ( Mr. Tom Terrific ) analysis when I know for a fact\r\n\r\n\r\n&quot;my&quot; scientific is EVERYONE'S scientific - we're talking about academic knowledge\r\n\r\nand you know &quot;for a fact&quot; ?  post some facts then\r\n\r\n\r\nlike I do\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n> will see that you are full of...BS degree\r\n\r\ntranslated - academic knowledge is BS \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n> I wont let you\r\n\r\nattacking the messenger - the message being put up or shut up\r\n\r\nyou never have any data to back up your spam, but &quot;you know for a fact&quot; that academic knowledge is BS\r\n\r\n\r\nand BTW, DU is another subject, I'm refering to &quot;chemtrails&quot; and &quot;ENMOD&quot;, radiation causing plant mutations, etc.\r\n\r\nHiding under DU's skirt doesn't erase the thousands of SPAM POSTS on chemtrails\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n&quot;I won't let you&quot;  - looks like IMC won't let you to me\r\n\r\n\r\nAnd my intent is simple - expose spammers, frauds and scams.\r\n\r\nAnd other people besides me object to your spamming (obviously - thats why it gets hidden) - I simply put a face to the objection, a point of attack.  that's okay I can take it - your &quot;factual knowledge&quot; that academic knowledge is BS means nothing to me since YOU HAVE NO FACTS\r\n\r\n\r\nthey all get destroyed it seems...\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-06 12:30:03","modified":"2005-10-06 12:30:03","fileurl":""},{"id":136708,"heading":"Mr. Clean Whizzard","article":"'where's MY hidden posts ?' \r\nhttp:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/news\/2004\/01\/101837.php \r\nhttp:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/news\/2003\/10\/90770.php\r\nThat was easy","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-06 12:39:21","modified":"2005-10-06 12:39:21","fileurl":""},{"id":136709,"heading":"' &quot;I won't let you&quot; - looks like IMC won't let you to me '","article":"Sometimes you just  start babbeling.  I'll wait for you to make some sense.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-06 12:43:02","modified":"2005-10-06 12:43:02","fileurl":""},{"id":136710,"heading":"just another scam - surprised ?","article":"1.) \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/news\/2004\/01\/101837.php\r\n\r\nMeyer London specifically requested data on the sunburn missles and I provided it, then later TROLLS ruined the thread with objectionable content\r\n\r\nas far as I know the database software back then didn't support hiding only a comment and thus the whole thread had to be hidden - very long after the thread had died if I recall correctly\r\n\r\nthe objectionable content was -\r\nmiss_d__erection2 - a sexist penis &quot;doll&quot; some troll posted just to bury the thread\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n2.) \r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/news\/2003\/10\/90770.php\r\n\r\nHOW TO MAIM POLICE FROM HEX\r\n\r\na spoof thread some troll posted using my handle\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nwow that's some damning long list you came up with - you know, *like your list*\r\n\r\n\r\nattacking the messenger will get you nowhere\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-06 13:03:40","modified":"2005-10-06 13:03:40","fileurl":""},{"id":136713,"heading":"hey","article":"I like that list.  You can post it if you like.  I believe all but one were unjustified.  I forgave the IMC staff.  Hell, I even bought them some ale. \r\n\r\nWhat have you done, Mr. Whizzard, except to try and impress everyone?\r\n\r\nKeyword is try.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-06 13:16:18","modified":"2005-10-06 13:16:18","fileurl":""},{"id":136716,"heading":"attacking the messenger III - the proud spammer","article":"I'm still waiting on those facts\r\n\r\n\r\nthat would be impressive\r\n\r\n\r\nI have data on DU (or more precisely non-DU) to discuss\r\nbut I suspect you're not really interested in DU - it's just a smokescreen\r\n\r\n\r\nas to what I've done - you don't see Gary around anymore do you ?\r\n\r\nwe are treated to very little Jerry these days too\r\n\r\nNed or Clara are all but mute (moot?)\r\n\r\n\r\nand where's Timmy ?\r\n\r\n\r\nsee - datamining is good for something..\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-06 13:26:50","modified":"2005-10-06 13:26:50","fileurl":""},{"id":136722,"heading":"you call it data mining","article":"I call it teamwork.  Or discussions over coffee.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-06 15:42:33","modified":"2005-10-06 15:42:33","fileurl":""},{"id":136725,"heading":"that's pretty vague but I'll take a stab","article":"hey - I just noticed you're shrinking again ^\r\n\r\nI went so far as posting real names, addresses and phone numbers, and even a picture of his &quot;seaside condo&quot; he used to brag about - along with his actual whining about it\r\n\r\nsnagged his supporters too, the VPN tunnel, etc\r\n\r\nthat was pure datamining and wasn't teamwork - that was just me\r\n\r\nthere was coffee involved however  :)\r\n","author":"Hex","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2005-10-06 16:09:27","modified":"2005-10-06 16:09:27","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/10\/sheepdogs_facts.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/10\/sheepdogs_facts.jpg"}},{"id":136727,"heading":"what ever","article":"Like I said you can go back to your reputation threads in which case I'll not intrude.  And your gang of misfits can pretend to be driven away.\r\nExcept when 'they' come back. \r\n\r\nAnd you say ( I can, unlike yourself provide exact quotes that say precisly what you said with URLs) that there's no transport of DU in the prevailing winds?  Didn't you say something about like it being in a battery?  Your slime always gives yourself away.  You can't help it.  Shall we give it a go, buzz lips?\r\n\r\n","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-06 16:29:34","modified":"2005-10-06 16:29:34","fileurl":""},{"id":136760,"heading":"&quot;Your slime&quot; - nuclear science","article":"Uranium is extremely heavy - heavyer than lead, how far does lead travel in the wind ?\r\n\r\nBTW I now have *detailed FOIA documents that show what isotopes are generated in a fission and fusion reaction* - this is hard data that backs up what I said about the huge difference between simple Uranium dust and nuclear bombs or reactor releases\r\n\r\nSo &quot;my slime&quot; is that you're totally ignorant about nuclear science\r\n\r\nthat's not my fault\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n> And your gang of misfits can pretend to be driven away. Except when 'they' come back. \r\n\r\nmore vagueness\r\n\r\nmaybe you should just (for once) try spitting out what you're trying to say\r\n\r\nthat I'm an alternate persona OF the trolls ?\r\n\r\nthat I &quot;drove myself away&quot; ?\r\n\r\n\r\nIMC is well aware of my IP - the location, the ISP..\r\n\r\n\r\nnow read this carefully\r\n\r\n\r\nmy signal on 104.1 *comes in at my ISP's doorstep*\r\n\r\nIMC has a sister station not far away - all they have to do is have someone drive to my ISP's street address and then *tune in my signal* on the car radio.  If you DF that signal, it will lead to ;\r\n\r\n1.) that street corner where you see me walking toward the payphone\r\n2.) my antennas I posted a picture of in plain sight\r\n\r\nif you pull up, you'll see wires, dishes, wi-fi nodes, an AP signal that you can connect to where the *web page I posted on here* is accessable.\r\n\r\nIf you look at 11:20 PM (local time) you'll see me *riding my bike home from work* to where all the wires and antennas are.\r\n\r\n\r\nand all this is 1,000 miles away from where those trolls are\r\n\r\n\r\nIt's all here and I'm here - I haven't lied or made anything up..\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-07 03:30:11","modified":"2005-10-07 03:30:11","fileurl":""},{"id":136762,"heading":"here's some recent pictures","article":"outside, the yard, 2 of the dishes (I have 5), the same payphone appears in both shots, the antennas taken a year ago when I first got the pocket digital camera, me walking to the payphone as a frame grab from a video camera, the other shots are recent using the digital camera..\r\n\r\nsince you have nothing to hide sheepdog post some pictures of yourself, your yard, your neighborhood, your equipment, etc\r\n\r\nlike I did..\r\n","author":"Hex","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2005-10-07 05:05:39","modified":"2005-10-07 05:05:39","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/10\/all.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/10\/all.jpg"}},{"id":136769,"heading":"sorry, Whizz...","article":"Unlike you, I have no facade to establish.  I live in S. Cal. about 200+ miles from LA.  I can be seen to be driving an unmarked Triumph 500 or a VW bug, also unmarked.  I have no secret radio station.  I am male, and also unmarked.  I could be anyone with the above criteria.\r\nThe IMC folk know about my IP since it's so unique as to its configuration of Mandrake Linux which must be the most infrequently used OS they deal with.\r\nThat's all you or your crew get.  Happy hunting, I am armed liike a motherfucker.\r\n","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-07 13:01:05","modified":"2005-10-07 13:01:05","fileurl":""},{"id":136771,"heading":"no facade - and no credibility either","article":"that's a pretty weird &quot;facade&quot; - a FM signal anyone can pick up, a public access hotspot anyone can connect to\r\n\r\nwhich I openly invite checking out...\r\n\r\n\r\nuser agent Mandrake Linux 8.0\r\nuser agent Mandrake Linux 9.0\r\nuser agent Mandrake 10.1 with kernel 2.6.7 \r\nuser agent Space Bison\/0.02 [fu] (Win67; X; SK)\r\n\r\n\r\nApache\/1.3.27 (Unix) mod_perl\/1.26 mod_throttle\/3.1.2 PHP\/4.2.2 FrontPage\/4.0.4.3 mod_ssl\/2.8.11 OpenSSL\/0.9.6h\r\n\r\n\r\n&quot;I live in S. Cal. about 200+ miles from LA.&quot;\r\n\r\n\r\naccording to my information you've moved 3 times and now live in the South Pasadena\/Los Nettos area.\r\n\r\n\r\nspeaking of credibility, I post academic data with supporting URLS, and a person *too afraid* to post even a picture of his neighborhood or any pictures at all - calls such data &quot;slime&quot;\r\n\r\n\r\nthe very person who's posted hundreds of times about chemtrails, &quot;ENMOD&quot; and other BS, also can't be bothered to post any data\/proof\/supporting evidence for that either\r\n\r\never\r\n\r\n\r\nyet we're to believe I'm part of some dangerous &quot;crew&quot; that has him shaking in his boots, shivering watching and waiting for the big raid where we'll come swooping down to get him, so he's armed to the teeth ready for &quot;us&quot;..\r\n\r\n\r\nsounds scary\r\n\r\n\r\nyou should write a book\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-07 13:56:48","modified":"2005-10-07 13:56:48","fileurl":""},{"id":136772,"heading":"can't get anything right","article":"' according to my information you've moved 3 times and now live in the South Pasadena\/Los Nettos area. '\r\nWrong.  As usual.  I love this sh*t.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-07 14:03:00","modified":"2005-10-07 14:03:00","fileurl":""},{"id":136775,"heading":"?","article":"Let's just say I live in Santa Pendeho.  A nice town, a real slice of South California.   I love it here.\r\nI used to live in Eagle Rock.  Next door to fresca.  Ha ha ha ha .\r\nShe hated me.  And my cats.","author":"SD","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-07 14:12:21","modified":"2005-10-07 14:12:21","fileurl":""},{"id":136777,"heading":"something else is weird","article":"I post information enough for IMC to come right to my doorstep (hi, how's it going. nice to meet you) and you can't get that right - just me, a harmless non-violent unarmed person..\r\n\r\nbut like your exploding &quot;ENMOD&quot; evidence - I explode into a &quot;dangerous crew&quot; out to get you\r\n\r\n\r\nand you hide so much you can't even post a picture of - ANYTHING AT ALL\r\n\r\nbut we're to *believe a word you say* about - ANYTHING AT ALL\r\n\r\n\r\nthe logic eludes me...\r\n","author":"Hex","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-07 14:21:51","modified":"2005-10-07 14:21:51","fileurl":""},{"id":136779,"heading":"your information","article":"Your 'information' is contrived and w\/o any sort of verification which I wouldn't need anyway if you hadn't given yourself away by your methods and weasel word semantics.\r\n  As for your secret radio station, you have nothing but annoy-amus graphics.   \r\nAs to your information about me, you have nothing but what I've divulged already and a clumsy way of 'data' mining. \r\n I'll still be here like I have been for years.  \r\nHappy hunting.\r\n","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-07 14:37:18","modified":"2005-10-07 14:37:18","fileurl":""},{"id":136784,"heading":"sheepdog explodes again","article":"> annoy-amus graphics\r\n\r\n\r\nyour web page sucks too\r\n\r\nAll I do is offer free entertainment and archived information, my web page *isn't selling anything for profit* and certaintly isn't scamming people with fake antiques and magic rings from sweatshop junk you order in bulk or make yourself - you &quot;enhance&quot; to make look old..\r\n\r\nYou take worthless Tesla and flake shit and SELL IT insted of just putting it up for download while I archive useful real knowledge and present it for free\r\n\r\n\r\nI hear people playing my station all the time as I ride or drive around which shows people like it and it's useful - provides an alternative to commercial crap with programmed playlists - the one spot on the dial where you KNOW all you'll hear is music as you're tuning across the blabber & chatter\r\n\r\nlocal stations suck here - hell they suck just about everywhere\r\n\r\npeople like my station and they like my selection of music..\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n> you have nothing but what I've divulged already\r\n\r\nthat wasn't me - I only post as Hex.  I don't know who that was\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n> and a clumsy way of 'data' mining.\r\n\r\nyou're not worth more than a few minutes of datamining - I don't really need to do anything\r\n\r\n\r\nbut again the hostility creeps in after the &quot;dig&quot;...  hmmmmmmmmm\r\n\r\n\r\nwhile we're on the subject enlighten us about what I &quot;gave away&quot; - with DATA to back it up\r\n\r\n(that would be a first)\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-07 15:15:18","modified":"2005-10-07 15:15:18","fileurl":""},{"id":136788,"heading":"Okay, Whizz...","article":"A few quotes from Hex. \r\n \r\nHex Monday, Jul. 04, 2005 at 3:51 AM \r\n \r\nIt's very important to understand exactly what the scientists measurements mean \r\n \r\nNatural Uranium and depleted Uranium is bad - far worse than lead chemically which in itself causes birth defects, but the radiation is Alpha which means it's not especially dangerous as long as you don't get it in your body.. \r\n \r\nDust is a very big problem because the enviroment is dry and sandy, so sandstorms tend to blow the dust all around compared to here where we have rainfall and trees to absorb it.. \r\n \r\nThe big deal with non-depleted Uranium is that it has *nuclear reactor waste* in it which gives off more dangerous Gamma radiation and some of the radionuclides break down as they decay into even more radioactive (ratio of X-ray and Gamma & Beta to Alpha) isotopes. - \r\nhttp:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/news\/2005\/07\/131376_comment.php#131552 \r\n \r\nThen.... \r\n \r\n \r\nHex Sunday, Aug. 28, 2005 at 3:11 AM \r\n \r\n> Like they said at Chernoble \r\n \r\num- FISSION \r\n \r\n \r\narmorments are NOT fission or fusion \r\nhttp:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/news\/2005\/08\/134462_comment.php#134649 \r\n \r\n \r\nthe reason dumbass is because the isotope undergoes atomic conversion to other related isotopes as a &quot;brew&quot; of different elements related by atomic decay products \r\n \r\nthis and the *millions of degrees* binds the radioactivity to other natural\/enviromental elements - which act as the bio-carriers.. \r\n \r\n \r\nUranium is too heavy - even as dust quickly falls to the ground NOT TO MENTION only very mildly radioactive to begin with (compared to *related isotopes and decay products*) so there's no bioactivity concerning Uranium beyond a confined area around the release point since it's not chemically reactive like salt it can't dissolve in any quanity in say WATER for example.. \r\n \r\nWhen an isotope sets out to contaminate the world it must either be dispersed in a reactor\/bomb (fission or fusion) or it must dissolve easyly, or combine easyly with something that does.. \r\n \r\nUranium is worse than lead - do you go around saying LEAD is killing us all ? \r\n \r\nAre you spamming the warning that our car batteries, paint, solder are contaminating us ? \r\n \r\nHeavy unreactive things don't travel far - not around the world (a car battery in Russia is killing me) \r\n \r\n \r\nAnd because of this considering the distance of the release point, the sun gives us hundreds of times more radiation already.. \r\n \r\nIf the Uranium was being fired HERE, or if it involved fission\/fusion - reactors or bombs - it would be a different story \r\n \r\n \r\n \r\nYour ignorance is staggering \r\n \r\n \r\nplease go to school - you missed it \r\n\r\n***\r\n\r\n[ I didn't -SD ]","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-07 15:52:03","modified":"2005-10-07 15:52:03","fileurl":""},{"id":136789,"heading":"nice paste - and the envelope SAYS","article":"what's the point ?  is this something only you get ?\r\n\r\nare we being vague again\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-07 15:57:18","modified":"2005-10-07 15:57:18","fileurl":""},{"id":136791,"heading":"no","article":"Even you should see the contridiction in your two opposed statements concerning the danger of DU global contamination where in one session 'you' expound upon the hazzards and later, you weasel into the thrashings of an opponent caught in a akido hold with your BS degee and ad homein attacks while now DOWNPLAYING the very same issue.\r\nWho's a liar?\r\nAint me.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-07 16:11:43","modified":"2005-10-07 16:11:43","fileurl":""},{"id":136793,"heading":"global","article":"heavyer than lead, doesn't travel far, only isotopes from fission\/fusion does\r\n\r\nbye - see you in 8 hours\r\n\r\nI'll post FOIA proof then\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-07 16:32:09","modified":"2005-10-07 16:32:09","fileurl":""},{"id":136805,"heading":"heaver than lead- duh-","article":"There is a point where the particle size becomes so small ( like in DU oxide-.1 mircon or less) that the contaminent, although in a suspenssion, begins to act like a solution due to Brownian movement ( even without sandstorms!) and ride the preveiling winds.  This means that we get what ever is going on over there in a diluted plume.\nI'm sure durring Bonzo's nap a vast amount of BS degree will be furnished to obscure this little phenomina.  Like comparing ionizing radiation with sunlight.  Or dust stoms contaminated with U238+ as being similar to lead in a battery.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-07 19:30:14","modified":"2005-10-07 19:30:14","fileurl":""},{"id":136822,"heading":"incredibly stupid","article":"> Bonzo's nap \r\n\r\nfull time job - you should try it\r\n\r\n\r\n> vast amount (of data)\r\n\r\nso there we have it - a few paragraphs is &quot;vast&quot; to you, showing you have the attention span of a 3 year old \r\n\r\nI'm sorry but real science is even vaster than that\r\n\r\n\r\n> this little phenomina\r\n\r\nsomething you made up out of ignorance.. Didn't you know - the entire planet is one big dry duststorm, rain doesn't exist, oceans don't exist, biological life doesn't exist, clouds, circulation patterns, ice, hail\r\n\r\njust goes to show you don't know a damn thing about meteorology either\r\n\r\n\r\nsuddenly the earth must be a dry lifeless, waterless, weatherless planet just so you can sell your paranoia\r\n\r\nnot to mention that Uranium is only *Slightly* radioactive to begin with..\r\n\r\nAs I explained - it takes either strongly radioactive matter, selected isotopes from fission\/fusion or biological\/chemical binding and a very large quantity to cause radiation to rise above *background radiation* - including radiation from the sun and space\r\n\r\nThis is taught in elementary school science class\r\n\r\n\r\nso - you don't even have the science knowledge of a child or the attention span of a toddler\r\n\r\nbut you're so damned determined to SELL your ideas, both academic knowledge and scientific data is &quot;slime&quot;\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n> dust stoms contaminated with U238+ as being similar to lead in a battery\r\n\r\ndust storms aren't GLOBAL - the earth is *mostly water* - the whole damn planet would have to be one big DRY dust storm to even come close to doing what you claim\r\n\r\nagain basic elementary school science\r\n\r\nand your proof - I don't see any\r\n\r\njust you showing your ignorance\r\n\r\nyour attention span is so shot to hell you can't even be bothered to study basic science\r\n\r\nthen the whole world must be wrong so your ignorant paranoia can be right\r\n\r\n\r\ndid I miss anything ?\r\n\r\nwas that too vast for you ?\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-08 01:50:37","modified":"2005-10-08 01:50:37","fileurl":""},{"id":136823,"heading":"What, no FOIA documents?","article":"Many words but very little else.\r\nAnd no real data, either.  Just more BS degree.\r\n\r\n","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-08 02:08:40","modified":"2005-10-08 02:08:40","fileurl":""},{"id":136830,"heading":"the FOIA document details","article":"the various isotopes produced by nuclear reactions and quantifies what it means for exposure\r\n\r\nit's very vast\r\n\r\n1.) you won't even bother to read it because it's vast\r\n2.) what I just stated is elementary school science which - once more - you just dismissed because you won't read that either\r\n3.) or you'll then say it's just &quot;BS degree&quot;\r\n\r\nbut here it is - now pick a cheap copout\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/thememoryhole.com\/nukes\/dod_nuke_emissions.pdf\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-08 03:11:42","modified":"2005-10-08 03:11:42","fileurl":""},{"id":136837,"heading":"yeah sure, Whizz","article":"Erosion, Technology and Concentration of Corporate power. \r\nETC. \r\nThis is your 'DATA&quot;?  Maybe you should this PDF yourself.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-08 07:37:13","modified":"2005-10-08 07:37:13","fileurl":""},{"id":136840,"heading":"and the H-bomb is bullshit","article":"so - you picked # 3\r\n\r\nthe scientists who developed the atomic bomb - ACCORDING TO SHEEPDOG - are full of shit and DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE DOING\r\n\r\nSheepdog KNOWS  BETTER THAN THEY DO\r\n\r\nyou saw it here first people - SHEEPDOG THE SCHUCKSTER is smarter than the scientists who made the atomic bomb\r\n\r\nnow please go to http:\/\/www.luxefaire.com\/ and BUY HIS STUFF\r\n\r\nhe's only asked you to 229 times..\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-08 09:06:16","modified":"2005-10-08 09:06:16","fileurl":""},{"id":136844,"heading":"Wow.","article":"What a moron.  You pull a PDF file out of your ass that hs NOTHING to do with the thread and then start your thrashing on the mat, spitting and wailing.\r\nI think I've let you make enough of a fool of yourself.\r\nBut for some people, there is never enough.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-08 11:23:37","modified":"2005-10-08 11:23:37","fileurl":""},{"id":136851,"heading":"here's some meat","article":"Here's a PDF you can view, dear readers, about the use and results of this form of nuclear warfare. \r\n \r\n-The depleted uranium dust will cycle through the environment and travel throughoutlarger regions, carried on the atmospheric dusts which travel around the earth.- \r\nhttp:\/\/afghan-tribunal.3005.net\/english\/10E-MORET.pdf\r\n","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-08 12:13:14","modified":"2005-10-08 12:13:14","fileurl":""},{"id":136853,"heading":"This is too much","article":"This is like watching two nerds fumbling around in basement, fighting over who gets to wear the Frodo costume when they play dungeons and dragons.\r\n\r\nPriceless!","author":"fresca","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-08 12:42:36","modified":"2005-10-08 12:42:36","fileurl":""},{"id":136855,"heading":"Two weasels fighting for the news wire","article":"About who gets to wear the rat ears. \r\n\r\nTalk about the proverbial Punch and Judi show.\r\nI thought it was funny when you and Whizz began this circus.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-08 12:51:56","modified":"2005-10-08 12:51:56","fileurl":""},{"id":136858,"heading":"But you should read the link from Whizz","article":"Although it has nothing to do with DU contamination or any DoD 'data' it is worth reading for its analysis on corporate influence.\r\nMeanwhile the weasel works will continue to churn out their brand of disruption.\r\n\r\nSomehow the concept of global contamination from this form of nuclear war seems uncomfortable to these types.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-08 12:57:19","modified":"2005-10-08 12:57:19","fileurl":""},{"id":136859,"heading":"Oh, make no mistake","article":"Here's the breakdown. Hex will always post links to gibberish having nothing at all to do with a topic and will arrogantly maintain their value over the course of dozens of reiterated posts while SD will always sidestep all arguments in leiu of pithy jabs based on inane conspiracy theory.\r\n\r\nPretty much the same net result.\r\n\r\nFonts of information and insight you two ain't.","author":"fresca","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-08 13:10:39","modified":"2005-10-08 13:10:39","fileurl":""},{"id":136866,"heading":"nothing at all to do with a topic","article":"&quot;WHAT does this have to do with U238+ oxide migration&quot;\r\n\r\n\r\n(I originally said) -\r\n\r\nIt takes either strongly radioactive matter, selected isotopes from fission\/fusion or biological\/chemical binding and a very large quantity to cause radiation to rise above *background radiation* - including radiation from the sun and space\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n1943, when the inventors of the atomic bomb described uranium vapor as an agent of chemical and radiological warfare, breathable uranium is a horrific weapon with both chemical and radiological toxicity. \r\n\r\n&quot;Groves Memo&quot; written by Drs. James B. Conant, A.H. Compton, and H.C. Urey to General L.R. Groves on October 30, 1943 (the &quot;material&quot; referred to is uranium):\r\n\r\n    &quot;As a gas warfare instrument the material would be ground into particles of microscopic size to form dust and smoke and distributed by a ground-fired projectile, land vehicles, or aerial bombs. In this form it would be inhaled by personnel. The amount necessary to cause death to a person inhaling the material is extremely small. It is estimated that one millionth of a gram accumulating in a person's body would be fatal. There are no known methods of treatment for such a casualty.\r\n\r\n&quot;Two factors appear to increase the effectiveness of radioactive dust or smoke as a weapon. These are:\r\n\r\n1) It cannot be detected by the senses\r\n\r\n2) It can be distributed in a dust or smoke form so finely powdered that it will permeate a standard gas mask filter in quantities large enough to be extremely damaging. An off-setting factor in its effectiveness as a weapon is that in a dust or smoke form the material is so finely pulverized that it takes on the characteristic of a quickly dissipating gas and is therefore subject to all the factors (such as wind) working against maintenance of high concentrations for more than a few minutes over a given area....\r\n\r\n\r\n&quot;Areas so contaminated by radioactive dusts and smokes, would be dangerous as long as a high enough concentration of material could be maintained...\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nWhen a nuclear bomb is detonated fallout is deposited downwind - most often to the east toward which prevailing upper atmospheric winds blow - for a distance of up to hundreds of kilometres.\r\n\r\n\r\nGlobal fallout\r\n\r\nWhen a nuclear bomb is exploded, energy is released by the fissioning (splitting) of either uranium-235 or plutonium. There are a range of products of this fissioning, many of which are radioactive - that is, they are unstable and decay sooner or later by emission of energetic radiation or particles. The most well-known fission product is strontium-90, which decays by emission of a beta particle. About half the strontium-90 nuclei decay in this way in a period of about 28 years, called the half-life. Different radioactive atoms have different half-lives, ranging from a fraction of a second to many millions of years. Other biologically important radioactive species produced by nuclear explosions are caesium-137 (half-life: 27 years), iodine-131 (half-life: eight days) and carbon-14 (half-life: 5600 years).[10] \r\n\r\nA nuclear bomb like that exploded over Hiroshima produces a total of about 800 grammes of fission products, measured one hour after the blast. The enormous heat generated by the explosion creates a huge upwards surge of air, resulting in the familiar mushroom cloud. The height of the cloud depends on the size of the explosion[11] (see Figure 1). Most of the fission products are carried into the atmosphere by this initial updraft. They become dangerous to humans when they return to earth.\r\n\r\nIf the bomb is exploded at or near the surface of the earth, a large amount of dust, dirt and other surface materials will also be lifted with the updraft. Some of the fission products will adhere to these particles, or onto the material used to construct the bomb. The very largest particles - stones and pebbles - will fall back to earth in a matter of minutes or hours. Lighter material - ash or dust - will fall to earth within a few days, or perhaps be incorporated in raindrops. \r\n\r\nSome of the delayed fallout remains in the troposphere (see Figure 1) for days, weeks or months. This tropospheric fallout usually returns to earth within ten or 15 deg of latitude of the original explosion, mostly by being incorporated in raindrops as they are formed. The clouds of nuclear explosions larger than about one megatonne penetrate partially or wholly into the stratosphere, and deposit fission products there, which become stratospheric fallout. Since the stratosphere has no rain formation and is less turbulent than the troposphere, radioactive particles in the stratosphere can take months or years to return to earth. During this time the particles can move to any part of the globe.\r\n\r\nBy the time stratospheric fallout reaches the earth, its radioactivity is greatly reduced. For example, after one year, the time typically required for any sizable amount of fission products to move from the northern to the southern stratosphere, the rate of decay will be less than a hundred thousandth of what it was one hour after the blast. It is for this reason that stratospheric fallout does not have the potential to cause widespread and immediate sickness or death.\r\n\r\nPlutonium\r\nOne special product of nuclear explosions is plutonium. Plutonium-239 is a fissionable substance and is used to construct nuclear weapons. It is also a highly dangerous radioactive material. It decays by emitting an alpha particle, which cannot penetrate a piece of paper or the skin. But once inside the body, plutonium-239 is a potent cancer-inducing agent. Experiments have shown that less than one milligramme of insoluble plutonium oxide is definitely enough to cause lung cancer in beagle dogs.[21] It is not known how much plutonium is required to induce lung cancer in humans, but estimates as low as a few millionths of a gramme have been made.\r\n\r\nPrevious nuclear explosions have injected an estimated 5 tonnes of plutonium into the atmosphere\r\n\r\n\r\nThe effects of nuclear war on climate\r\nA major nuclear war would deposit millions of tonnes of dust in the stratosphere. Some sunlight would be absorbed or reflected away from the earth by the dust, causing a decrease in the earth's temperature. This in turn could conceivably trigger a major climatic change. For example, lowered temperatures could cause an increase in snow and ice near the polar caps, thus an increased reflection of light, and further lowering of temperatures.\r\n\r\nStratospheric dust from a nuclear war seems unlikely to cause such climatic change. In 1883 the volcanic eruption at Krakatoa deposited some 10 to 100 thousand million tonnes of dust in the stratosphere, and the 1963 Mt Agung eruption about half as much. These injections seem to have caused a minor cooling of the surface temperature of the earth, at most about half a degree Celsius, lasting a few years, with no long term consequences.\r\n\r\nBe very, very careful what you put into that head, \r\nbecause you will never, ever get it out. \r\nThomas Cardinal Wolsey' (1471-1530)\r\n\r\nOr in you two's case - what you DON'T put into your heads - because you *don't even grasp the details*\r\n\r\nhe doesn't understand the scientists who developed the atomic bomb's work (and you certaintly don't) and you don't understand this - what I just posted above which completely explains it in layman's terms..\r\n\r\n&quot;nothing at all to do with a topic&quot; - he refuses to even look at the data, and you're not even qualified to..\r\n \r\nbut the troll and the flake must always be right - for eachother that is..\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-08 14:13:57","modified":"2005-10-08 14:13:57","fileurl":""},{"id":136872,"heading":"you're now quoting my link","article":"How nice.\r\nDid you even read what you posted?\r\nNah.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-08 14:49:57","modified":"2005-10-08 14:49:57","fileurl":""},{"id":136875,"heading":"don't grasp the details AND waffling","article":"> Did you even read what you posted?\r\n\r\nUm - no, I *didn't* read what I edited and posted\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\ntwo different effeccts\r\n\r\nOne effect is a thermal nuclear event which pushes tons of debris into a super heated cloud that rises thousands of feet and the other effect is chemical combustion of DU. This does not mostly go into the stratosphere. It rides the winds.\r\n\r\n\r\n1.) &quot;the winds&quot; (tropospheric) aren't global - the chart clearly shows this\r\n\r\n2.) only the much more radioactive isotopes produced by fission\/fusion are strong enough -\r\n\r\n&quot;(Uranium) so finely pulverized that it takes on the characteristic of a quickly dissipating gas and is therefore subject to all the factors (such as wind) working against maintenance of high concentrations for more than a few minutes over a given area&quot;\r\n\r\n&quot;as long as a high enough concentration of material could be maintained&quot;\r\n\r\nwhich leads to -\r\n\r\n3.) even if the dust DID spread out globally, it much be concentrated *because it's only slightly radioactive*\r\n\r\n\r\nI even posted specifically the data you're wrong about - even &quot;rubbing your nose right in it&quot; and showing that your wrong in SEVERAL WAYS - several times over\r\n\r\nand the best you can do is claim I didn't read what I manually edited (in order to be specific since the &quot;vast&quot; raw data is beyond your comprehension - your attention span cannot support looking at the raw data - as your &quot;nothing to do with it&quot; reply shows.. \r\n\r\nso you either ignore the raw data and claim your right anyway, or ignore the specifics and say they don't apply - and claim your right anyway..\r\n\r\n1.) no comprehension of the issue - in it's &quot;vast&quot; raw form (real science)\r\n2.) dishonest lying game playing - ignore the specifics pointed out to you\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nas above -\r\n\r\n1.) you won't even bother to read it because it's vast \r\n2.) what I just stated is elementary school science which - once more - you just dismissed because you won't read that either \r\n3.) or you'll then say it's just &quot;BS degree&quot; \r\n\r\nbut here it is - now pick a cheap copout \r\n\r\n\r\nyour not picking *one* cheap copout - your waffling between THEM ALL\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"image\/jpeg","created":"2005-10-08 15:25:51","modified":"2005-10-08 15:25:51","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/10\/bombs2.jpg","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/10\/bombs2.jpg"}},{"id":136879,"heading":"you won't even bother to read it because it's vast","article":"Sorry, Whizz...\r\nI did read all 128 pages of your link.  I have a rapid reading ability.\r\nAnd it shows nothing about anything you have commented on in this thread.\r\nIt's my link that you now are assuming as your own research.\r\nAnd the hazzard of GLOBAL DU contamination is not going away.\r\nNeither am I.\r\n","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-08 15:58:35","modified":"2005-10-08 15:58:35","fileurl":""},{"id":136881,"heading":"nothing to do with it III","article":"> the hazzard of GLOBAL DU contamination is not going away. \r\n\r\nit's not coming either\r\n\r\nI did some digging - it's the latest hot flake topic\r\n\r\ntoo bad it's based on faulty science - or actually no science at all\r\n\r\nthe FOIA unclassified documents show the scientists  who developed the atomic bomb (what would they know compared to the all mighty flake) mentioned (in 1943) that Uranium could be used this way BUT it's only a local effect requiring high concentrations because Uranium is only slightly radioactive, that it's easyly dissipated...\r\n\r\n And that only the updraft from a megaton nuclear explosion (H-bomb) can have global effects, but even then unless there are many (a full scale nuclear war) it's unlikely to have any lasting effect - and finally that nature herself sometimes throws more dust during eruptions providing direct evidence that the effect is weak..  Based on direct observations and data\r\n\r\nend of story\r\n\r\n(and to think this was your hand picked pet subject of all subjects to prove I'm wrong too)\r\n\r\nas a diversion from your spamming which gets hidden - no effort on my part required.\r\n\r\nI simply used your pet subject to show how full of shit you are - to everyone reading this\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-08 16:32:46","modified":"2005-10-08 16:32:46","fileurl":""},{"id":136882,"heading":"before & after","article":"before:\r\nx Monday, Jul. 04, 2005 at 3:51 AM\r\n\r\nIt's very important to understand exactly what the scientists measurements mean\r\n\r\nNatural Uranium and depleted Uranium is bad - far worse than lead chemically which in itself causes birth defects, but the radiation is Alpha which means it's not especially dangerous as long as you don't get it in your body..\r\n\r\nDust is a very big problem because the enviroment is dry and sandy, so sandstorms tend to blow the dust all around compared to here where we have rainfall and trees to absorb it..\r\n\r\nThe big deal with non-depleted Uranium is that it has *nuclear reactor waste* in it which gives off more dangerous Gamma radiation and some of the radionuclides break down as they decay into even more radioactive (ratio of X-ray and Gamma & Beta to Alpha) isotopes. -\r\n\r\n*** and after***\r\n\r\nOh hell. you just read it in the Whizz's latest post right before mine.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-08 16:39:38","modified":"2005-10-08 16:39:38","fileurl":""},{"id":136901,"heading":"compared to here","article":"there - compared to here\r\n\r\nif the Uranium was being fired *here* it might (if it contains nuclear  waste) cause problems here\r\n\r\nbut that's there - thousands of miles away\r\n\r\nhe's as blind as he can be\r\n\r\njust see's what he wants to see -\r\n\r\nHe\u2019s a real nowhere man,\r\nSitting in his nowhere land,\r\nMaking all his nowhere plans\r\n\r\nFor nobody.\r\n\r\nDoesn\u2019t have a point of view,\r\nKnows not where he\u2019s going to,\r\nIsn\u2019t he a bit like you and me? \r\n\r\nNowhere man, please listen,\r\nYou don\u2019t know what you\u2019re missing,\r\nNowhere man, the world is at your command.\r\n\r\nHe\u2019s as blind as he can be,\r\nJust sees what he wants to see,\r\nNowhere man can you see me at all? \r\n\r\nDoesn\u2019t have a point of view,\r\nKnows not where he\u2019s going to,\r\nIsn\u2019t he a bit like you and me? \r\n\r\nNowhere man, don\u2019t worry,\r\nTake your time, don\u2019t hurry,\r\nLeave it all till somebody else\r\nLend you a hand.\r\n\r\nHe\u2019s a real nowhere man,\r\nHiding in his nowhere land,\r\nSelling all his nowhere plans\r\n\r\nTo nobody.\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-09 01:41:10","modified":"2013-11-11 00:35:38","fileurl":""},{"id":136977,"heading":"we all share the earth and air","article":"a crime commited  to one is commited to all even if we only get a little of it.  Hex you sound like an etroll.  ","author":"dang","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-10 15:06:43","modified":"2005-10-10 15:06:43","fileurl":""},{"id":138087,"heading":"you got this list from where?","article":"by Hex Tuesday, Oct. 04, 2005 at 3:03 PM\r\n\r\nsorta like when you accused me of NOT having a station, of being an agent, of being wrong about academicly sourced scientific knowledge\r\n\r\nwhere's your data to back that up ?\r\n\r\nwhere's your data on &quot;ENMOD&quot; - oh I forgot, it was &quot;destoyed&quot; in a huge explosion\r\n\r\nI have data - LOTS MORE DATA\r\n\r\nbillder &quot;Omnivore&quot; site:indymedia.org - 2 hits\r\nsheepdog &quot;Bearden&quot; site:indymedia.org - 3 hits\r\nbillder &quot;sheepdog&quot; site:indymedia.org - 6 hits\r\nsheepdog &quot;ENMOD&quot; site:indymedia.org - 8 hits\r\nsheepdog &quot;scalar&quot; site:indymedia.org - 8 hits\r\nsheepdog &quot;Omnivore&quot; site:indymedia.org - 8 hits\r\nsheepdog &quot;tesla&quot; site:indymedia.org - 10 hits\r\nbillder &quot;Bearden&quot; site:indymedia.org - 14 hits\r\nbillder &quot;tesla&quot; site:indymedia.org - 55 hits\r\nsheepdog &quot;chemtrails&quot; site:indymedia.org - 55 hits\r\nsheepdog &quot;radiation&quot; site:indymedia.org - 60 hits\r\nbillder &quot;scalar&quot; site:indymedia.org - 119 hits\r\nbillder &quot;ELECTRO-SENSITIVE&quot; site:indymedia.org - 129 hits\r\nbillder &quot;radiation&quot; site:indymedia.org - 242 hits\r\n&quot;lapidary&quot; site:indymedia.org - 386 hits\r\n&quot;billder&quot; site:indymedia.org - 351 hits\r\n&quot;sheepdog&quot; site:indymedia.org - 511 hits\r\nbillder &quot;chemtrails&quot; site:indymedia.org - 374 hits\r\nsheepdog &quot;new mexico&quot; site:indymedia.org - 466 hits\r\nbillder &quot;new mexico&quot; site:indymedia.org - 232 hits\r\n\r\ngee - that's odd, you sure do TALK THE SAME\r\n\r\nuse the same unusual words - and NEW MEXICO comes up in your conversation a lot too...\r\n\r\n[Note from SD]\r\nyou still have no station and you're still an agent.\r\nand I post on NM?  wow\r\nshow me these posts.\r\ndon't be shy.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":136523,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-10-28 17:28:37","modified":"2005-10-28 17:28:37","fileurl":""}]}