{"article":{"id":135642,"heading":"Racist Minutemen\/SOS in laguna Beach again THIS SAT @ 8:00 AM","author":".","created":"2005-09-23 14:08:37","modified":"2005-09-27 16:27:36","last_modified":"Tue, 27 Sep 2005 23:27:36","article":"<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC \"-\/\/W3C\/\/DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional\/\/EN\" \"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/TR\/REC-html40\/loose.dtd\">\n<html><body><p>PLEASE come out and protest these racists.. remember what went down the last time they showed up? they brought their swastika flags in the middle of Laguna Beach. This type of racist garbage should not be tolerated or welcome in our town. The protest starts at 8 AM sharp THIS Sat.  <br><br> Show up w\/ signs, etc &amp; please pass this email on. <br><br> here's the info <br><br> <a href=\"http:\/\/img220.imageshack.us\/img220\/3719\/img01906wj.jpg\">http:\/\/img220.imageshack.us\/img220\/3719\/img01906wj.jpg<\/a> <br><br> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.saveourstate.org\/forums\/index.php?showtopic=4558\">http:\/\/www.saveourstate.org\/forums\/index.php?showtopic=4558<\/a> <br><br> WHEN: <br><br> Saturday, September 24th <br><br> WHERE: <br><br> Laguna Beach Day Laborer Center <br>  <br> 1765 Laguna Canyon Rd. <br>  <br> Laguna Beach, CA 92651 <br><br> TIME: <br><br> 8 a.m. - Noon<\/p>\n<\/body><\/html>\n","contact":".","link":"","address":".","phone":".","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/plain","summary":".","numcomment":22,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2005\/09\/135642.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":135667,"heading":"Exposing IndyMedia Lies","article":"The Nazi idiots have nothing to do with SOS.  They were uninvited oppotunists, just like the Indy Media scum.","author":"Caught Lying Again","parent_id":135642,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-09-24 00:16:25","modified":"2005-09-24 00:16:25","fileurl":""},{"id":135676,"heading":"No Minutemen Here. Minutemen have been","article":"requested not to associate with Save Our State.\r\n\r\n\r\nMP has no affiliation with, nor will we accept any assistance by or interference from, separatists, racists, or supremacy groups or individuals, no matter what their race, color, or creed.\r\n\r\nPS Tell Jessie he needs to cut back in the carbs.","author":"CAMinuteman","parent_id":135642,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-09-24 02:23:41","modified":"2005-09-24 02:23:41","fileurl":""},{"id":135677,"heading":"SOS-Nazis","article":"Why are you still here?  We have all kinds of pictures of you and the outspoken members of the National Vanguard Nazi Party posing together with your signs, talking and laughing together, protesting together, meeting over and over all over southern California, and building a hate campaign together.  We also have your messages (from your public board) that say that you know they are Nazis and you do not care so long as they are there to fight your issues and they do not let the general public know who they are.  What other evidence is sufficient to show your Nazi tendencies?  I can even fathom what else could be more damming to you and your cause then what has already been exposed.  So long as the National Vanguard only directs their hate at <I>illegal<\/I> non-Aryans while they are with you, then it is okay to work together.  Then, you guys were attacking Puerto Ricans on your website.  You idiots can't get over it that there are non-whites who are allowed to come here.  You aren't about legal vs. illegal; you are about white privilege.  That is why Nazis are drawn to you, and that is why you get along with them so well.  The only difference between them and you is that they are honest to the public about where their beliefs lay, while most of you try to hide yours in patriotism, isolationism, or other forms of bs.  To be honest, I think your side is right, \u201cthere <b>is<\/b> a war coming\u201d.  It is going to be the your racism, intolerance, and hate against a world where <b>it<\/b> (and you) <b>no longer fit<\/b>.  Go hold your worthless signs with your old white (and wanna be white) friends.  The only thing I have to say is all praise to the water bottle thrower, may a million more rain down on your pathetic Asses!  \r\n\r\nDown with the racists!  May the world one-day paint the streets red with their memories!!!\r\n","author":"Anti-Racist","parent_id":135642,"mime_type":"text\/html","created":"2005-09-24 02:24:23","modified":"2013-11-11 00:35:28","fileurl":""},{"id":135678,"heading":"I was at the Town Hall Meeting in Laguana Hils","article":"and there was not ONE protester! People will not show up in Orange County!","author":"OCAlone","parent_id":135642,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-09-24 02:27:13","modified":"2005-09-24 02:27:13","fileurl":""},{"id":135680,"heading":"Peacemarch in OC at 11:00","article":"http:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/news\/2005\/09\/135636.php?theme=1\r\n\r\nWe need to show the world Americans do NOT support this\r\nwar! Join the peace! Forget the SOS losers.","author":"Jointhepeace","parent_id":135642,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-09-24 02:32:36","modified":"2005-09-24 02:32:36","fileurl":""},{"id":135681,"heading":"Who requested this?","article":"Sorry,  What did you say? Minutemen have been requested not to associate with Save Our State? Who requested this? \r\nPerhaps you can elaborate on this a little","author":"AyatollahGondola","parent_id":135642,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-09-24 02:33:49","modified":"2005-09-24 02:33:49","fileurl":""},{"id":135699,"heading":"mr.","article":"Are you a Minutemen \/ SOS supporter (you can lump them in, their politics are pretty much the same) ?\r\n\r\nYou say you're for peace, yet, you actively tell people NOT to fight against racism in the first degree.  Yes, there is a big Anti-war action on saturday, And i will be there (well, at the LA one), However it is stupid to tell people just to work on fighting to end the war.\r\n\r\nYou speak as if its impossible to have more then one cause in your life.\r\n\r\nContinue to fight White Surpremisists\/Minutemen\/SOS!\r\n\r\nContinue to fight against this imperialist War!","author":"Cuetzpallin","parent_id":135642,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-09-24 13:47:47","modified":"2005-09-24 13:47:47","fileurl":""},{"id":135703,"heading":"No shame, apparently","article":"With one of their own in the White House, it seems to me that apparently these scumbags don't care what the rest of the world thinks about them as they stand on street corners waving their Nazi flags and their Confederate flags.\r\n\r\nAnd really why should they care?  Why should they be shamed?  They have a man in the White House that just killed some 10,000 blacks in the Gulf States, doing it my gutting the funding needed to maintain the intercostal waterway infrastructure and sending the needed safety people to Iraq to slaughter _more_ non-white people (who happen to worship the &quot;wrong&quot; gods.)\r\n\r\nSo I personally am not surprised that these SOSMM \/ Aryan Nations \/ National Alliance \/ National Vanguard \/ Skinhead or whatever they're calling themselves today are brazenly standing on street corners in California.  While the rest of the country gives such scum the finger, their have a mnass murdering racist butcher in the White House -- backed by a Governor who is a self professed Nazi.\r\n\r\nWhy _wouldn't_ these people feel emboldened?\r\n\r\nMy opinions only and solely my own.\r\n","author":"Fredric L. Rice","parent_id":135642,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-09-24 16:13:30","modified":"2005-09-24 16:13:30","fileurl":""},{"id":135711,"heading":"self professed Nazi?","article":"What the hell are you writing about mr rice? Where does a governor profess to be a nazi?\r\n","author":"AyatollahGondola","parent_id":135642,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-09-24 18:14:33","modified":"2005-09-24 18:14:33","fileurl":""},{"id":135712,"heading":"We Can't Afford to Ignore SOS","article":"While I would like to agree with the poster who suggest we focus on the anti-war mobilization and forget about SOS, we can't ignore the harassment of day laborers.  If their employers exploit them, then I am all for going after the employers.  But SOS is going after both the victims and the victimizers (albeit moreso the victims; they are easier targets).  And they are creating an atmosphere of hostility and intimidation in our communities.  This is not acceptable!  We cannot have people afraid to go outside and walk the streets!\r\nTheir rally starts at 8 in the morning and goes until 12.  The DTLA mobilization begins at noon.  Peace and anti-racism activists can go to both.  I will.\r\nAs far as I know, I am the only counterprotester going.  I will stand alone if need be.  I am not really afraid of SOS but last time, nazi skinheads showed up, and quite frankly those guys do scare me.  It would be a measure of solidarity if any of you were willing to show up and stand by me.\r\nHope to see you in Laguna Beach,\r\nRockero420","author":"rockero420","parent_id":135642,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-09-24 18:14:38","modified":"2005-09-24 18:14:38","fileurl":""},{"id":135719,"heading":"rockero","article":"A little curious Rockero,\r\n\r\nHave you actually seen or been involved in personal attack by the alledged Nazi\/skinhead group that alledgedly are going to this protest tomorrow? Or is this just one of the fears that may have taken on a life of its' own inside the head of someone with more imagination than adherance reality? For all the ranting that some folks here have been planting about the nazis they saw on the street, I have yet to hear anyone say that they were beaten, shoved, spit on, yelled at with a bullhorn up to the ears, or hit with a flying object by any of those from that persuasion. It seems that 99 percent of the posting here has been re-iterating that all they did was hoist a flag or give a gang salute. So is it the fear of thier free speech that worries you, or the thought of some percieved inevitable act they will commit, but have not yet?\r\nAnd just how did you come to the conclusion that the focus of tomorrows protest is the workers and not those who are patronizing them? Another clairvoyant message that came to you in one of your artistic trances?","author":"AyatollahGondola","parent_id":135642,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-09-24 20:49:25","modified":"2005-09-24 20:49:25","fileurl":""},{"id":135722,"heading":"If one is so concerned about immigrants","article":"why was no one at the Immigration Town Hall in Laguna Hills last night? Why has no one protested Jim Gilchrist's run for congress? That would have more impact on immigrant's rights that SOS ever will.\r\n\r\nNo, this dispute with SOS is nothing more than a male ego macho pissing contest.\r\n\r\nYou boys might as well just whip them out when you get there and you can all go home early.","author":"whywhy","parent_id":135642,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-09-24 23:06:11","modified":"2005-09-24 23:06:11","fileurl":""},{"id":135723,"heading":"once again, Mr Rice is always wrong","article":"the man in the White House supports open broders.","author":"riceiswrong","parent_id":135642,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-09-24 23:07:48","modified":"2005-09-24 23:07:48","fileurl":""},{"id":135725,"heading":"Heads Up!","article":"from Joe Turner, self-proclaimed <a href=&quot;http:\/\/www.theredalert.com\/features\/saveourstate.htm&quot;>&quot;leader by nature, first and foremost&quot;<\/a> of SOS:\r\n\r\n William:\r\n\r\nThe real answer is, it all depends on the individual. If you want to brawl, it will not be difficult to have that happen.\r\n\r\nOur opposition knows that I and others on this board, are more than willing to throw down. I encourage each and everyone of us here to refrain from instigating physical contact, unless your personal space is violated and you feel threatened. Stick to the high ground.\r\n\r\nWith that said, given our past experiences with Laguna Beach and their do nothing police force, I will be more than prepared. And I know the same can be said for some others who will be there.\r\n\r\n","author":"Leslie","parent_id":135642,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-09-24 23:37:16","modified":"2005-09-24 23:37:16","fileurl":""},{"id":135730,"heading":"Stormfront Abandons SaveourState to Support Cindy Sheehan","article":"Stormfront Abandons SaveourState to Support Cindy Sheehan\r\nby YourReporter Friday, Aug. 26, 2005 at 3:14 PM\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/news\/2005\/08\/134545_comment.php#134581\r\n\r\n","author":"BorderRaven","parent_id":135642,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-09-25 01:22:22","modified":"2005-09-25 01:22:22","fileurl":""},{"id":135731,"heading":"STOP THE NAZI MINUTEMEN","article":"<FONT SIZE=+3>THE FUCKING NAZI MINUTEMEN HAVE GOT TO GO!!! <\/FONT>\r\n<FONT SIZE=+3>THOSE BIGOTS CAN GO TO HELL FOR ALL I CARE!!!<\/FONT>\r\n<FONT SIZE=+3>I AM A CHILD OF HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS..<\/FONT>\r\n.<FONT SIZE=+3>THEREFORE I UNDERSTAND WHERE THESE PURVEYORS OF HATE ARE COMING FROM..<\/FONT>\r\n<FONT SIZE=+3>PREACHING DEATH AND DESTRUCTION AGAINST JEWS, PEOPLE OF COLOR AND GAYS!!!<\/FONT>\r\n<FONT SIZE=+3> THIS RACIST CRAP MUST GO      <\/FONT>                                                                                                                                                                                ","author":"ARON PIEMAN KAY","parent_id":135642,"mime_type":"text\/html","created":"2005-09-25 01:22:55","modified":"2005-09-25 01:22:55","fileurl":""},{"id":135746,"heading":"Minutemen are NOT racist! Go to infowars.com","article":" Many of you are getting the minutemen movement all wrong. I myself am a minutemen and a chicano. My dad immigrated to the US in the early 1960's. This is a non partisan issue. The Bush administration is purposefully trying to bust the economy and overthrow our Republic from within. Don't believe the hype that the minutemen are racist.  At their core, they are not.  Get a clue over atwww. prisonplanet.com and www.gcnlive.com\r\n\r\nhttp:\/\/www.prisonplanet.com","author":"iggy","parent_id":135642,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-09-25 17:19:53","modified":"2005-09-25 17:19:53","fileurl":""},{"id":135747,"heading":"Minutemen Propaganda","article":"Here is a list of audio files from the Carlsbad meeting.\r\n\r\nThey rile the audience up by telling them that there is a threat from Mexico and Gilchrist accuses Undocs for every thing from traffic congestion to high real estae prices from California to Maine.\r\n\r\nThey accuse Anchor Babies of causing skyrocketing welfare costs, when the welfare roles are at an all time low.\r\n\r\nAfter Dr. Cosman and Gilchrist bash Mexico and the undocs, Tancredo has the audacity to say that they are not racists.\r\n\r\nTwo known coconuts, Pete Nunez and Robert Vasquez were brought in to accuse undocs of taking jobs, when the reality is that, like the welfare roles,  umemployment is at an all time low.\r\n\r\nThis reminded me of the Nazi's propaganda speaches used to build hatred towards the Jews.\r\n\r\nBTW, Rodger Hedgcock, the whoremonger, has stated on his radio talk show that Northern Europeans (Anglo-Saxon and Nodics) are the superior echelon of not only the white race, but all races.\r\n\r\nAUDIO TRACK #1 California State Sen. Bill Morrow\r\nhttp:\/\/www.phxnews.com\/media\/1-Sen-Morrow.wma\r\n\r\nAUDIO TRACK #2 Radio Talk-Show Host Roger Hedgecock\r\nhttp:\/\/www.phxnews.com\/media\/2-R-Hedgecock.wma\r\n\r\nAUDIO TRACK #3 Medical Attorney and Author Madeleine Cosman\r\nhttp:\/\/www.phxnews.com\/media\/3-Dr-Cosman.wma\r\n\r\nAUDIO TRACK #4 Former U.S. Attorney in San Diego Pete Nunez\r\nhttp:\/\/www.phxnews.com\/media\/4-P-Nunez.wma\r\n\r\nAUDIO TRACK #5 Minuteman Project founder Jim Gilchrist \r\nhttp:\/\/www.phxnews.com\/media\/5-J-Gilchrist.wma\r\n\r\nAUDIO TRACK #6 U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colorado\r\nhttp:\/\/www.phxnews.com\/media\/6-Sen-Tancredo.wma\r\n\r\nAUDIO TRACK #7 California Assemblyman Ray Haynes, R-Murrieta\r\nhttp:\/\/www.phxnews.com\/media\/7-Rep-Haynes.wma\r\n\r\nAUDIO TRACK #8 Robert Vasquez, commissioner of Canyon County in southwest Idaho\r\nhttp:\/\/www.phxnews.com\/media\/8-R-Vasquez.wma\r\n\r\nAUDIO TRACK #9 CLOSING TOWN HALL\r\nhttp:\/\/www.phxnews.com\/media\/9-Closing.wma\r\n\r\n","author":"Pachuco","parent_id":135642,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-09-25 18:51:27","modified":"2005-09-25 18:51:27","fileurl":""},{"id":135857,"heading":"Well to day was a major snooze fest","article":"Thank God the crazy hippie lady was there for amusement.\r\n\r\nThis is the way SOS ends\r\nThis is the way SOS ends\r\nThis is the way SOS ends, \r\nNot with a Bang but a Whimper.","author":"yawn","parent_id":135642,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-09-26 00:47:19","modified":"2005-09-26 00:47:19","fileurl":""},{"id":135858,"heading":"Dwindling Support","article":"Were did they go?\r\n\r\nAbout 10 young adults, dropped their signs in the dirt, and walked away from the opposition's side of the rally. Was it the repeated rejecting the propositions of one young lady or the wagering a bet, with the young man, who would not accept the challenge to get a job at the day labor center? Last offer was $150, that he could not get hired at the day labor center. He either could not get a job or didn't need the money. In all fairness, maybe the wager should have been that he could get a job, if he could actually get hired and work a full day, for $35, to the satisfaction of the contractor. I doubt he has the work ethic of a Mexican. What has happened to America's youth, that they won't take a job at a day labor center?\r\n\r\nAfter all, is the tax-payer funded day labor hiring center just for the illegals or can any starving student go there seeking employment?\r\n\r\nWould it be a Racist Day Labor Hiring Center, if only persons of one ethnicity could seek work there?\r\n\r\nHell, send in all the high school graduates and starving college students, and let them work under the table, for $10 an hour, without benefits , but with medical care by the free use of the emergency room. Why should they pay taxes, or suffer the deductions of pay, the rest of us suffer?\r\n\r\nI think the youngsters realized the SOS are not racists and they concluded they were pawns of the open borders socialists.\r\n\r\n","author":"BorderRaven","parent_id":135642,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-09-26 01:25:48","modified":"2005-09-26 01:25:48","fileurl":""},{"id":135877,"heading":"Attn: BorderRetard","article":"At around 11 pm, a group of about 10 of us left the pro-immigrant side of the protest because we were carpooling to the anti-war rally in L.A. Unfortunately, we couldn't be at both protests at once, so we decided it would be best to go support the jornaleros and then leave a bit early to make it to the anti-war march. Both issues are equally important.<br><br><i>I think the youngsters realized the SOS are not racists and they concluded they were pawns of the open borders socialists.<\/i><br><br><b>Bzzzt, wrong<\/b>. We stand by our chants (&quot;Save Our State means Racist Hate!&quot;, etc.) in that SOS is a racist, anti-immigrant, proto-fascist group that stands for everything that we, as progressive anti-racist pro-immigrant youth, stand for. Smash the border, crush the Minutemen!","author":"anti-racist","parent_id":135642,"mime_type":"text\/html","created":"2005-09-26 02:11:42","modified":"2005-09-26 02:11:42","fileurl":""},{"id":136103,"heading":"&quot;I'm jewish and I support the Nazis&quot;","article":"As usual the trolls and liars are out in force lately, trying once again to try to pretend the massive exposures of their ideologies are some how faked or something.\r\n\r\nThe photographs of Nazi flags and Confederate flags are apparently fakes, hoaxes, doctored photographs or something -- anything to try to discount the fact that these scumbags are all of a kind, their denials simply public relations efforts by all appearences, by all available evidence, by every observation that's reasonable.\r\n\r\nDo these people actually believe that anyone believes them?  They're the same mindset that still demands that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, that Saddam attacked New York, that demanding peace and the end of the war crime atrocities and slaughter being committed by these Christian fascist right-wing scumbags are themselves advocating treason some how.\r\n\r\nThe notion that non-whites could actually sign up with, support, defend, or applaud the SOSMM, Aryan Nations, National Vanguard, Storm Front, Christian Identity, Skinheads, or whatever else they're calling themselves this time around...  You have to wonder if any of them actually believe that normal people would buy such outrageous claims.\r\n\r\nBack in the 1930's and 1940's, there actually were a number of Jew and Gypsies who supported the rise of Nazi Germany.  Ignorance was the cause; the lack of mass communication that would allow the populace to know, see, and observe what Hitler was doing and where he was leading.\r\n\r\nNot so today.  oday we have digital photographs, instant world wide communication, and we can all easily see the Nazi flags, the Confederate flags, the stiff armed Nazi salutes at these SOSMM et al. rallies, Laguna Beach yielding the best series of photographs I've yet seen.  There's no excuse for non-whites to be duped into swallowing what these people actually stand for is there?\r\n\r\nIn this same web page I see there are audio files taken from the racist meeting.  The commentary offered with the audio speaks volumes about what these people stand for, what their ideologies are -- exposed as well as supposedly hidden.  How could _any_ person with dark skin listen to that and still try to play pretend?\r\n\r\nRight.  It doesn't happen.  The answer to the question that was asked -- &quot;Where are your people of color&quot; -- is already given.\r\n\r\nMy opinions only, of course, and only my opinions.\r\n","author":"Fredric L. Rice","parent_id":135642,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-09-27 16:27:36","modified":"2005-09-27 16:27:36","fileurl":""}]}