{"article":{"id":132233,"heading":"The FBI looks for...you","author":" Repost","created":"2005-07-13 01:33:15","modified":"2005-07-15 15:56:01","last_modified":"Fri, 15 Jul 2005 22:56:01","article":"

The FBI looks for...you

A brief article from bayareapoliticalreview.org summarizing how the FBI has decided the main threats to U.S. security are the ALF, the ELF and the ABCF.

What this means for you, your friends and organizations is foreboding.

Better text and other articles can be seen at the website.

The chase is on...for a straw dog

The Aryan Nation is actively trying to collaborate with Al Qa'ida. The Federal Building in Oklahoma City was bombed by an associate of the Michigan Militia; Eric Rudolph, a member of the Army of God has been charged with carrying out the Olympic Park Bombing in 1996. Robert S. Mueller was involved in the prosecutions of John Gotti, Manuel Noriega and the Lockerbie bombers.

But what has the ABCF done?

Like all questions, there's a simple answer and a complicated answer. In this case the simple answer is, nothing.

In fact no one is even claiming that they have. But unfortunately for them, that's not keeping them out of the limelight.

The chase is on

Last month Robert S. Mueller, the head of the FBI, gave testimony to the Senate Committee on Intelligence of the United States Senate. The speech was a telling summation of his organizations goals, within the confines of an hour's time he managed to use the word terrorism 37 times, and the name al Qa'ida 20 times.

Buried beneath all of the emotional detritus those cultural hot buttons stir up, were some meaningful warnings, and anyone less than pleased with the emerging political zeitgeist should take note.

After summarizing what the FBI believes to be the greatest threat to the US government, \"international terrorism\" Mr. Mueller cast his cold gaze on domestic soil and outlined the US's domestic threats.\"White Supremacists, Black separatists, Animal rights\/ Environmental terrorists, Anarchists, Anti-abortion extremists and self-styled militia.\"

Out of these 6 categories of \"threat\" only the left flank get any name mention.

So, though there are at least 615 active right wing hate groups in the US, and an uncounted number of militia, only 3 organizations were deemed important enough for mention. The Animal Liberation Front (ALF), Earth Liberation Front (ELF) and the Anarchist Black Cross Federation (ABCF).

Not to be outdone by the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) recently circulated an internal paper titled \"Integrated Planning Guidance, Fiscal Years 2005-2011.\" In this paper, priority is placed again on the ELF\/ ALF and no mention is given to the much larger and better-organized groups on the right of the political spectrum.

For who?

The ABCF is a small prisoner support organization. Within this small organization there is a small caucus, the Tactical Defense Caucus. This TDC trains interested parties in armed self-defense. They offer courses in several different types of firearms; sell videos of the same, and they put out a single issue of a gun magazine in 2001.

It's not possible to know the size of the ABCF's TDC. BAPR requested comment several times, but never received any response, and they don't publicize their membership. They do self-describe as a small \"but active\" caucus, and seeing the Left is rarely humble about membership, it seems safe to guess that they have no more than 20 members.

Given that the average US gun owner owns 2 guns, we could make an estimate of 40 guns between them, just to put a number on it.

That's potentially 40 guns out of 258 million currently in the US; not even a percentage point. But reality not withstanding, the head of one of the best-funded policing organizations in the world has them in his sights.

The ELF\/ALF are dedicated to the liberation of the Earth and Animals respectively, but neither could be described as an organization in the classical sense. Neither has a centralized decision-making process, or membership per say and each are bound only by a loosely accepted set of rules. Amongst those rules, the DHS note's is, \"publicly promoting non-violence toward human life.\"

The groups do pursue massive property damage, and have been credited with a $50 million arson in San Diego. Neither group has been charged with the loss or damage of human life.

Who else is out there?

Well...lots of people.

Among the groups not deemed important enough for mention by the FBI and the DHS are some pretty famous names. Such as, the Michigan Militia; famously attached to Turner Diaries salesman Timothy Mc Veigh. The Army of God, moral compass for Eric Rudolph abortion clinic\/ Olympic Park bomber. The Libertarian National Socialist Green Party, who dialogued with Jeff Weise before he killed 7 people at the Red Lake Senior High School last week. The Aryan Nation, whose leader August Kreis recently told CNN that he wants his organization to make common cause with al Qa'ida.

The list goes on. The KKK, National Alliance, White Revolution, American Nazi Party, White Power Liberation Front, Imperial Klans of America, World Church of the Creator; and on and on.

If we've ever lacked anything in the US, it wasn't white supremacists, political extremism or the willingness to kill people.

Though each of these groups, and the many others whose names I have spared you, is better funded and mostly better armed than the ABCF or the ELF\/ALF. None of them get a mention as an emerging threat. They and the 600 plus other groups widely acknowledged as active hate groups all get upstaged by the 5 chapters of the ABCF, and the non-entities of the ELF\/ALF.

If it seems like a miss-allocation of resources, it is, if it seems abnormal, it's not. In fact, at the FBI it's tradition.

Tradition

Lots of people smarter than this writer have been studying the development of popular left wing movement in the US, for a long time. I won't make you suffer through my observations.

Suffice to say, movements develop, they gain a place in the public dialogue and then federal policing organizations react. At the times when US political movement has hit it's high water marks the FBI has been right there with them.

Whether it was in the 20's when the FBI (then named the BOI) raided the homes of any one even suspected of being Left sympathetic in the Palmer raids. Or in the 60's and 70's when they ran counter intelligence programs against every Left organization large or small, they have been right there with us.

In each case there has been a larger and more powerful organizational structure on the right, which by and large gets a pass from the FBI et al.

The same pack

When you look at the history of US government repression of Left movements, the release of these last 2 reports and the focus on the Left is hardly surprising.

But in this case it may be prescient. While many on the Left look at our current capacity for movement building disparagingly, the FBI and DHS seem to see potential where we don't.

If the FBI were expecting social conditions to retard the development of the Left over the next decade, they wouldn't be paying as much attention.

They obviously are, and must be expecting big things, cause you can be sure that Robert Mueller didn't take down Gotti and Noriega just to sate himself with a handful of people in Florida.

While this whole thing is clearly going to start with a focus on the ABCF and the ELF\/ALF, you can be sure that it will ripple outward from there.

Directly after the remarks made by Mr. Mueller the Boston Herald ran a story about how anarchists in Boston are being watched by the FBI's Joint Terrorist Task Force. Sgt. Tom Sexton of the Boston PD was quoted in the article saying that ``Investigators have been aware of this particular group, and we are working collectively with our partnership on the state and federal level.''

The \"anarchist's\" in question are that first ripple; the group in question is a local Anarchist Black Cross Network group. The ABCF and ABCN are completely separate organizations, despite being only one letter off in acronym.

In an interview with BAPR, John Riley, a member of the Boston ABCN group reaffirmed that Boston ABC is \"not connected to the ABCF in any way. We certainly support their work, however our politics are not in line with their internal structuring.\"

\"We live in a world of political witch-hunts and massive surveillance\/repression from the state. It seems that those of us who have moved to defend those targeted by the state have now become targets ourselves.\" John said, when asked about what this newly reinvigorated interest with the Left will mean.

Starting with a few easily isolatable groups, the FBI wants to cut away at the Left, and at what they see as our potential.

Make no mistake about their choice of targets. If there were a large group with the political capacity of the BPP or AIM around in '05, the FBI and DHS wouldn't care a whit about 20 guys in Florida with a few modified AR-15's. The ABCF is not the real target in this, just a convenient one.

The real victory for the FBI and DHS in all this has been the opportunity to mention Left organizations along with al Qa'ida, Al Aqsa, and Islamic Jihad.

By painting the Left with the same brush as they paint al Qa'ida the FBI seeks to cut the Left off from potential sources of support. To scare away liberal support from civil society, and politically and socially isolate us in order to more efficiently eliminate our potential as a political movement.

It is this goal that we need to keep our focus on, because even though the ABCF may be a straw dog for the FBI, we are all running in the same pack.

Bedfellows

The FBI and DHS can afford to be complacent to the burgeoning right, in fact on many levels they're not separated by very many degrees.

With the last 2 elections Christian Fundamentalism has come several steps closer to the seat of power. In many ways, throughout the history of the US the far right and the federal government have shared political views, members, and goals.

But over the next decade or so those goals will diverge, as they have in the past periodically. As the US seeks greater global connectivity and requires more and more immigrant labor to keep the economy going, the intellectual points of departure between the far right and law enforcement will grow. When this chasm becomes large enough the FBI and DHS will find themselves facing the task of reigning in this behemoth they helped create. The question then will be, is it too late?

Will the FBI the DHS, or, the Left for that matter be able to contend with this swollen right wing of the future?

We've been warned

With a renewed interest in the Left from the FBI and DHS, imprisonments are sure to follow. The last time the FBI paid so much attention to Left organizations we lost an entire generation of political leaders to prison and pine boxes. The far right has not had to contend with a similar campaign of terror and from the looks of things they seem to continue to get a pass.

So as their growth is nurtured, and ours is retarded, how do we plan to struggle against them in the near and distant future?

The smaller, numerically, the Left seems to get the more intellectually preoccupied we seem to be. The more intellectually preoccupied we are the more we seem to disagree with and distance ourselves from each other.

And so it goes, that within a small social movement volumes of people consider themselves to be going it alone. A movement of Socialists who don't associate with Communists, of Progressives who don't associate with Anarchists, of Gramscians who don't talk to Fanonists, etc. etc.

Unfortunately for us, in our Quixotic quest for intellectual purity, we have taken our eye off of the prize. We lost track of the fact that the people paying the most attention to us don't care about the finer intellectual points.

To them we are all running in the same pack, and we will all bear the brunt of their efforts, whether we are working together or not.

The first impact from this now fomenting offensive may be in north Florida, but you can be sure we will all be rocked by its wake.

We can be thankful, at least, that our foes telegraph their punches, and we can't say that we haven't been warned.

Colin Asher

colin@bayareapoliticalreview.org<\/a>

2005 Bay Area Political Review. Share freely for non-commercial purposes.

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With sources.\r\n\r\nThank You.","author":"fresca","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-13 01:59:37","modified":"2005-07-13 01:59:37","fileurl":""},{"id":132237,"heading":"Crist you're Stupid\/Lazy","article":"As if you couldn't use a search engine,\r\n\r\n**In the 1993 WTC bombing, the FBI, penetrated "a circle of Muslim \r\nextremists" plotting to bomb the World Trade Center, United Nations, \r\nHudson River Tunnels through a former Egyptian army officer informant, \r\nEmad A. Salem. THE NEW YORK TIMES of October 28, 1993, p. 1 reported the \r\nFBI knew in advance that terrorists were plotting to build a bomb and \r\n"blow up the World Trade Center" and "planned to thwart the plotters \r\nby secretly substituting harmless powder for the explosives...". \r\n \r\nMr. Salem secretly recorded his conversations with FBI agents and \r\nthe transcripts show, Mr. Salem tried to complain to FBI Headquarters in \r\nWashington about the bureau's failure to stop the bombing but was dissuaded \r\nby an agent identified as John Anticev. Defense attorney, William Kunstler, \r\nhad seen some of the transcripts and described them as "filled with all \r\nsorts of Government misconduct." \r\nhttp:\/\/p208.ezboard.com\/fthefed86933frm2.showMessage?topicID=44.topic","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-13 02:15:44","modified":"2005-07-13 02:15:44","fileurl":""},{"id":132242,"heading":"Earth First!","article":"This could become another Earth First! fiasco, with "law enforcement" agencies competing to break the law to chase after "terrorists." Odds are, different branches will be infiltrating the groups and fomenting anger, until one of the LEOs plant a pipe bomb under someone's car seat.\r\n\r\nHere's the deal with Oakland PD - if you get robbed, and have an idea who it is, they'll throw up their hands and say they lack evidence. (Evidence like... oh, the shit that got ripped off maybe?) But when it comes to hunting down political activists who are no threat to life and limb? They'll go out of their way to try and assasinate them.\r\n\r\nNo wonder they want to go after the ABCF. Political prisoner groups like ABCF, that aren't fixated on a single famous figure like Leonard Peltier, are going to have the ability and interest to quickly denounce LE malfeasance, fraud, dirty dealings, and assasination quickly, and with references.\r\n\r\nWhen the LE cracks down, they don't want people to be complaining about it.","author":"johnk","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-13 05:21:23","modified":"2005-07-13 05:21:23","fileurl":""},{"id":132286,"heading":"THERMCON all over again","article":"Remember the FBI's "THERMCON" felonies where they actually funded and equipped a project to topple an Arizona power line?\r\n\r\nThe FBI criminals were never indicted. They all got away clean without a day in prison.\r\n\r\nAnd, of course, none of the COINTELPRO criminals ever served a single day in prison.\r\n\r\nIt wouldn't surprise me if Bush ordered the London bombings considering this fascist regime's war crime atrocities in Iraq and considering the bombings came one day after Karl Rove was identified as a traitor.\r\n","author":"Fredric L. Rice","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-13 16:30:59","modified":"2005-07-13 16:30:59","fileurl":""},{"id":132291,"heading":"Of course it wouldn't","article":"" It wouldn't surprise me if Bush ordered the London bombings"\r\n\r\nOf course it wouldn't as your just another delusional cyber-nut whopeobably also believes in chemtrails, remote controlled planes crashing into the WTC and the tooth fairy.\r\n\r\nFred...you're a fool.","author":"fresca","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-13 16:51:23","modified":"2005-07-13 16:51:23","fileurl":""},{"id":132401,"heading":"'Bush ordered the London bombings'","article":"Mr. Bush Jr. wouldn't do that. That would be a task left to the real rulers, the ones who pull his puppet strings. That's the beauty of having an idiot stand in to read from a teleprompter and or ear piece.\r\nTotal control without the problem of independent thought. ","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-14 01:44:36","modified":"2005-07-14 01:44:36","fileurl":""},{"id":132404,"heading":"Now hold on","article":"So you're actually saying that savage koranimals control Bush?\r\n\r\nI think that must be what you're saying.\r\n\r\nBy the way sheep. in your world has there ever been a case of actual islamic terrorism? Or is EVERY instance a case of the CIA\/MOSSAD\/NWO etc commiting some atrocity and blaming the poor folk of islam?\r\n\r\nIs this really the history you believe?","author":"fresca","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-14 01:53:32","modified":"2005-07-14 01:53:32","fileurl":""},{"id":132405,"heading":"My opinion about terrorism","article":"If we wanted to stop it, we should stop commiting it. ","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-14 01:56:20","modified":"2005-07-14 01:56:20","fileurl":""},{"id":132410,"heading":"What exactly do you mean","article":"That we are the only terrorist entities and therefore if we stop, terrorism stops, Or that if we stop with our activities that you feel are terroristic that the islamists will stop their actions?\r\n\r\nWhich way do you mean it?\r\n\r\nAnd I ask that honestly and respectfully.","author":"fresca","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-14 03:50:50","modified":"2005-07-14 03:50:50","fileurl":""},{"id":132445,"heading":"OneEyedMan","article":"...you hairless hypocrite, you don't have a honest or respectful bone in your 5' 5" frame!\r\n\r\n...it's a sty\/beam analogy, idiot...\r\n\r\n...and I mean that honestly and as respectfully as you deserve....","author":"KPC","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-14 14:42:40","modified":"2005-07-14 14:42:40","fileurl":""},{"id":132447,"heading":"A new Leaf","article":"I personally believe that the actions of the UK and the USA have provided a rich medium for reaction ( terrorism) directly because of our shared policies of capital exploitation. If you examine the actions of our criminal intelligence agencies, and the terror they have visited upon the peoples of the world where our 'strategic interests' ie. resources that we hold by supporting despots which torture and murder innocents. Look at South America ( as one example) and the death squads for instance, we sponsored causing a horrendous toll. If you care to, you can review this list.\r\nhttp:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/news\/2002\/11\/22725.php\r\n\r\nThat's if you care to.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-14 15:00:10","modified":"2005-07-14 15:00:10","fileurl":""},{"id":132451,"heading":"Fair enough","article":"Okay. Thanks for responding.\r\n\r\nAnd I don't disagree with you on the whole.\r\nHere's where I do have my main problem with your view, and please correct me if I'm wrong.\r\n\r\nIt seems to me that in your opinion, EVERYTHING we've done as a matter of foreign policy has been some sort of economic, societal or criminal terrorism. ANd that as a result of that, we not only deserve what's coming to us from islamists but that you are actually glad for it..\r\n\r\nBut on the other hand, you seem to discount the notion on an almost case by case basis that Islamic terrorism even exists. Since I've been on this board, EVERY act of terrorism that the rest of the world seems to think was committed by islamists you blame entirely on some Black Op affair of the CIA\/Bush\/Mossad etc.\r\n\r\nSo are we getting our comeuppance from islamists (who by the way, have seemingly VERY little care for oppression of resources, land rights etc. and seem to be focused SOLELY on religion, so I'm not sure how our economic imperialism affects them to begin with) or are we creating the myth of islamists and seeing only attacks by the ruling class in order to fuel imperialism?\r\n\r\nLook, I won't even try to argue with you about alot of the foriegn policy we've seen in the last decades. ALOT of it is clearly abhorrent. I won't however, lay all the world's ills at our feet.\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"fresca","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-14 15:23:20","modified":"2005-07-14 15:23:20","fileurl":""},{"id":132454,"heading":"It's a See Saw of Terror","article":"Sure, I admit that there is Islamic terrorism. If we wanted to hold the high ground we would cease our particular brand it it from the position of supreme power. Might don't make it Right. This is very simple. If you wish to show parody, it ain't there.\r\nYou don't quench a fire with lighter fluid.\r\nWe could win the war on terrorism with food and medical assistance and then we would have the peoples of the world at our side instead of against us.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-14 15:32:52","modified":"2005-07-14 15:32:52","fileurl":""},{"id":132464,"heading":"so that's where she been hiding","article":"> on the whole\r\n\r\nhhahahaa\r\n\r\n\r\nSpeaking of holes FRESCA\r\n\r\n10.) how many do you have ?\r\n11.) how often do you use them ?\r\n12.) does anyone else use them ?\r\n13.) how often do they use them ?\r\n14.) do you use any inanimate objects in the holes ?\r\n15.) how often do you use such objects ?\r\n16.) how big are the objects ?\r\n\r\nanyone notice how nice & polite she is lately ?\r\n\r\nit seemed like only yesterday she was screaming "DEATH TO ___"\r\n\r\nand going on about "sub-humans"\r\n\r\nnow she's seeking shelter in old threads with Sheepdog\r\n\r\nso - we're going to have a polite conversation\r\n\r\nHey - I'm being polite !\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Fresca's Genitals","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-14 16:43:49","modified":"2005-07-14 16:43:49","fileurl":""},{"id":132465,"heading":"okay","article":""We could win the war on terrorism with food and medical assistance and then we would have the peoples of the world at our side instead of against us."\r\n\r\nGood point for a start.\r\n\r\nHowever, we already give a whole lot of this stuff away to begin with. And we should. But I'm not sure that's working, or will work on the whole.\r\n\r\nI can see it working much better in South AMerica for instnce than in the middle East. And while I agree that our propping up of oil rich despots in the Arab world has certainly severely ruined our credibility there on the street, I still don't think that islamist terrorism is an economically based fueled reaction to our policy.\r\n\r\nI'm still a bit confused over your seemingly kneejerk response to international acts of terrorism.\r\n\r\nClearly I know where you stand on 9-11 and I'm not even going to get into that but you had the London bombings pegged as a Bush\/Cia etc black op within hours. Why? \r\n\r\nAnyway, I fully agree and have always agreed that we need to clean our side of the street. I guess my main problem around here is the complete denial that there are TWO sides of that street. ANd the other side is fairly dirty as well.","author":"fresca","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-14 17:20:41","modified":"2005-07-14 17:20:41","fileurl":""},{"id":132467,"heading":"This is WRONG","article":"'you are actually glad for it..' Don't EVER try to claim you know how I feel.\r\nBy stating this lie, or missunderstanding, you now fall back to insults.\r\nIf you have read my posts you are invited to show me exactly WHERE you arrived at this conclusion from my words.\r\nYou will fail. ","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-14 17:24:54","modified":"2005-07-14 17:24:54","fileurl":""},{"id":132471,"heading":"- pegged as a Bush\/Cia-","article":"The four implausible scenarios, the forewarnings to or from Israel. the simultaneous drills, the high density of TV observations in London, the unknown, until now al CIAduh website in Maryland...\r\nOh Hell, just listen to the audio on:\r\nhttp:\/\/la.indymedia.org\/news\/2005\/07\/132398.php","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-14 17:46:39","modified":"2005-07-14 17:46:39","fileurl":""},{"id":132474,"heading":"doesn't read much does she","article":"> pegged as a Bush\/Cia etc black op within hours. Why? \r\n\r\nbecause CNN lied about it based on no one being able to see what the website was as they had shut it down\r\n\r\nwhat they didn't expect it that someone (me) would be able to resurrect it and expose the lie\r\n\r\nand everyone is in agreement on this (both the right & left) as Jon was one of your boys\r\n\r\nyou might be tempted to think I would sit on the data as it helps the right more than the left\r\n\r\nbut truth is the most important thing - no matter how the politics work out on it\r\n\r\nyou don't see the "expert" k-o-b-e-y lifting a finger to help out on this (someone else who could have effortlessly recovered the data that I know of) because all he cares about is himself and his little website\r\n\r\nI was told BTW who he actually is and even have a picture of him however I happen to like following my own instincts and am saving it for the right occasion to spring it on him\r\n\r\nafter you read Jon's story you'll see what liars CNN are, and it's documented (FOIA) that CIA moles are on their editoral staff\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Fresca's Genitals","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-14 18:33:57","modified":"2005-07-14 18:33:57","fileurl":""},{"id":132477,"heading":""SEEMS"","article":""'you are actually glad for it..' Don't EVER try to claim you know how I feel. "\r\n\r\nI said it "SEEMS " to me that you feel this way given the fact that you definitely DO NOT ever post anything condemning the actual perpetrators of the terrorism themselves. Terrorists which you have, at least on this thread admitted you know exist.\r\n\r\nThat's all.\r\n\r\nI think it's a fair assumption to make given your penchant for remaining mum on the acts of the terrorists and either condemning the US\/Israel or denying the actual involvement of islamists.","author":"fresca","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-14 19:28:14","modified":"2005-07-14 19:28:14","fileurl":""},{"id":132480,"heading":"breakdown","article":""The four implausible scenarios, the forewarnings to or from Israel. the simultaneous drills, the high density of TV observations in London, the unknown, until now al CIAduh website in Maryland..."\r\n\r\nBelieve it or not, I do actually read all the links that you and others put up about this stuff.\r\n\r\nHere's my point. All of the above points can just as easily be discredited or at least seriously doubted.\r\n\r\nThe simultaneous drills is the most eggregious. One guy has been inteviewed about them. NO ONE else has said anything about it. Furthermore, there is simply no logical motivation for it. The absolute last thing any actual terrorist group be they islamist or domestic imperialists would want to do would be to hire, with a paper trail, anyone who could so easily shed light on the operation. There's simply no sane reason why this would occur.\r\n\r\nThe threats to and from Israel are, well, lets just say, politely, unsubstantiated and a fairly well worn battle cry after such an event from certain segments of the political spectrum.\r\n\r\nAs far as TV security, all the survellience cameras in the world won't stop anyone carrying HE in a backpack unless backpacks are unequivically illegal and targeted. Suicide bombings are virtually impossible to defend against.\r\n\r\nHere's my point, finally, I can't prove it was islamists anymore than you can prove it wasn't. Of course there is ALOT of precident for these types of attacks committed by islamists almost weekly. The odds at least are on my side.\r\n\r\nAnd of course , the more that London continues to uncover evidence about the would be bombers, the more the need for people complicit in the conspiracy grows. It just seems very hard to believe that even the cops on the street are involved in some big Bush ordered attack.\r\n\r\nI guess I still just don't understand why, especially given the long history of islamic attacks like this, that so many people, just around here, seem to deny the seemingly obvious and immediately blame the US and Isreal for everything.\r\n\r\n","author":"fresca","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-14 19:47:50","modified":"2005-07-14 19:47:50","fileurl":""},{"id":132487,"heading":"this is bullshit - *I* broke the story !","article":"> All of the above points can just as easily be discredited \r\n\r\n\r\nRe: CIAduh website in Maryland\r\n\r\nnot this one - CNN ran the story *blaming a guy named Jon's website as a terrorist\r\nsite* depending on the fact it was shut down to sell the story\r\n\r\nif you read it, you will see what was REALLY going on (remember *I pulled up\r\nand posted the data MYSELF*)\r\n\r\nHe was domain hijacking..\r\n\r\narchive records (hosting history) *PROVES THIS*\r\n\r\nthe only missing piece was the actual story which I provided\r\n\r\nto say it's dicredited is to *CALL ME A LIAR* as I was directly responsible\r\nfor blowing the story out of the water\r\n\r\nYou would be saying *I made it up* - even though hosting history records ALSO\r\nsupport it.\r\n\r\n\r\nYou're calling both me and hosting data records liars by saying so..\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nthis is one issue I can completely pin you down on because I broke the story myself !\r\n\r\n.\r\n\r\n\r\n> simultaneous drills is the most eggregious\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nBBC TV ch. 5 is *still running the story*\r\n\r\nBBC is owned by the government PLUS Mr. Powers credentials - *SCOTLAND YARD*\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nas you can see Sheepdog it's a complete waste of time discussing anything with her\r\n\r\nshe only acted polite to lull you into a conversation so she could simply go back to the same old BULLSHIT of not believing ANYTHING other than the offical lies\r\n\r\n\r\nShe is now directly calling me a liar in posting the website's data AND saying the BBC and Powers are lying as well\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nHer only purpose here is to waste our time as once more it's obvious she didn't even READ\r\nwhat I posted OR what the BBC is airing\r\n\r\nYet she feels fully qualified in disbelieving EVERYTHING as usual..\r\n\r\nI'm going back to the sexual angle as that's the only thing we've seen that works\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Fresca's Genitals","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-14 20:44:59","modified":"2005-07-14 20:44:59","fileurl":""},{"id":132531,"heading":"This is my take on this","article":"Fresca is only cheer leading in a global game of terror where one side, the most powerful empire in history ( I feel no pride in this) uses the most dreadful weapons conceivable, to force the weaker populations to submit their resources and labor to enrich the few ultra wealthy at the risk of the vast majority.\r\nDespite the hate and sickness expounded upon, most can see for themselves, that fresca continues to give us a pipeline into the designs of the monsters who pull the strings.\r\nIn martial arts it's called telegraphing. This is why the attacker, is at a disadvantage because any strike provides openings for a counter strike to the trained practitioner.\r\nThe movement commits the enemy to involve their momentum towards an opnent who, if trained in such matters, is in 'hapu bakki' or all eight sides open and is fluid in taking advantage of said comitment.\r\nIt does take training. :>)","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-15 11:09:33","modified":"2005-07-15 11:09:33","fileurl":""},{"id":132533,"heading":"it's worse than that","article":"the pipeline is nothing more than copy & paste - she provides no insight whatsoever\r\n\r\nthere's millions of Frescas all over the U.S. - the fox news generation\r\n\r\nthe concern isn't that she only wants to see hate (death) and not love (sex) but that she\r\nsaturates discussions with it as spam\r\n\r\na bigger concern still is the enormous amount of time she invests in to this -\r\n\r\nover 5,350 posts since 2003-01-09 \r\n\r\nhere on just *this* IMC \r\n\r\n(doesn't include the other IMC's and only 2.5 years back) \r\n\r\naverage 6 posts per day \r\n\r\n\r\n329 for fresca kill muslims \r\n538 for fresca kill islam \r\n918 for fresca death to islam \r\n46,800 for fresca death to \r\n9,210 for fresca sub human \r\n38,000 for fresca kill \r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nbut the worst thing of all is when FACTS are presented *as above with Jon's website* and her\r\ngame of denying any\/all facts\r\n\r\na sick game she plays with *just* the intent of wasting our time for her own amusement\r\n\r\nI just came back here from doing some more research on k-o-b-e-y and a tactic that was *specificly* mentioned - no BRAGGED about described *exactly* what she's been doing on here !\r\n\r\nintentionally denying everything posted as a STALLING & SMEARING tactic\r\n\r\nI then pulled data that confirms it - the number of comments posted here per day and *who posts them*\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\nit seems Fresca is driving the action here\r\n\r\n(most of the comments are from\/to\/about her)\r\n\r\nwhen she's not here there's *very little activity* otherwise\r\n\r\nshe's the only remaining troll from the original ones who still posts here regularly.\r\n\r\nthe other's have either been banned or are elsewhere doing thier games..\r\n\r\nshe doesn't talk to herself - she requires feedback - POLITE CONVERSATION because you see\r\nwhat the subject of sex does - it repells her, even causing *new complaint threads* as a last ditch effort to SHAME me into allowing her games of only hate & denial\r\n\r\nI manage to do this without even using vugarity because she's such a prude\r\n\r\njust asking gender neutral questions is enough to do it\r\n\r\nshe craves polite non-sex themed conversation so she can play her games\r\n\r\nthe games serve no useful purpose - you can go to any number of websites and see\r\nexactly the same BS since she only pastes from those places anyway\r\n\r\nshe provides companionship - a pen pal\r\n\r\nweigh the damage she causes against finding another pen pal somewhere else\r\n\r\nask yourself if the minor personal benefit is worth the waste of time and lies \r\n\r\nremember the pictures of the torture - remember what she said (denied it was torture)\r\n\r\nnow apply that dynamic of her personality to your relationship with her - how will she treat\r\nyou when the chips are down, when you expect her to stand up for THE TRUTH, for what's\r\nright and decent\r\n\r\nwill she rise above the usual games she plays and go to bat for you ?\r\n\r\nor will she bat you in the head from behind PING\r\n\r\nthen gleefully laugh about it LIKE SHE DOES EVERYTHING ELSE\r\n\r\nshe's an abusive hater - is that really who you want to spend your time with ?\r\n\r\n","author":"Fresca's Genitals","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-15 12:03:03","modified":"2005-07-15 12:03:03","fileurl":""},{"id":132535,"heading":"no. not really...","article":"I prefer to spend my time with my own projects.\r\nI don't spend that much time on her, just when an opening occurs to provide information to the readership.\r\nIf I responded to all of her shit, I would develop carpel tunnel...\r\nThat's why Ii think she uses speakable text ( which exhibits a tendency to commit gross spelling\/grammar errors ) and supports my iron lung theroy. Or else she has a team of writers, ha ha ha.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-15 12:18:13","modified":"2005-07-15 12:18:13","fileurl":""},{"id":132536,"heading":"but back to the subject at hand.","article":"NEVER cooperate or communicate with the FBI unless you want to incur misery and or death.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-15 12:23:47","modified":"2005-07-15 12:23:47","fileurl":""},{"id":132539,"heading":"iron lung ?","article":"you mean you think she's an invalid ?\r\n\r\ncan't type and uses a speech-to-text aid ?\r\n\r\n","author":"Fresca's Genitals","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-15 12:48:22","modified":"2005-07-15 12:48:22","fileurl":""},{"id":132540,"heading":"well, look at the pattern","article":"The hate, the time on hand, the errors in spelling and grammar and the penchant for the vile attitudes...\r\nI think she may have suffered an 'accident' related to the murder of Palestinians like having been in the wrong place at the wrong time.\r\nThat's how I see it. \r\nKinda fits, doesn't it?","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-15 12:57:25","modified":"2005-07-15 12:57:25","fileurl":""},{"id":132541,"heading":"FBI - un chartered secret police","article":"They have existed to quell dissent ' by whatever means necessary'\r\nDon't talk to the FBI. It's your life.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-15 13:05:36","modified":"2005-07-15 13:05:36","fileurl":""},{"id":132545,"heading":"I wanted to be sure","article":"the spelling errors don't reflect speech-to-text conversion algorithm errors (I've worked with OCR and speech recognition software like 'speakeasy')\r\n\r\nit's sloppy conventional typing\r\n\r\nI could point out examples but notice what the mis-spelled characters are - like in the keyboard, the wrong letter will be *the next key over* which shows her finger slipped or pressed both keys - sloppy typing\r\n\r\nlately the keyboard I'm using has developed sticking and sticky keys - this mainly causes some characters to be missing because the button doesn't go down all the way\r\n\r\nI could swap the keyboard but I tend to get used to the layout of the keys so I resist doing it unless the keyboard breaks, even then I try fixing it first\r\n\r\nI've had a few experiences with the FBI that didn't cause misery, sometimes just talking to them can prevent bigger trouble from happening later\r\n\r\nit depends on what impression you make with them in the first place\r\n\r\nThe FBI came to see me when I was 17 because they didn't believe I could make a bluebox all by myself without help and it was an original design they had never seen before so they wanted to rule out organised crime - a bluebox "factory" or other unknowns.\r\n\r\nI showed the agent my room and sat and explained all the things I did step-by-step to prove I did it\r\n\r\nBlueboxes aren't illegal but *using* them is...\r\n\r\nSo they had no real reason to question me - they were just worried because it represented a possibly new unknown source of them..\r\n\r\nBy showing him it was just me that *prevented further surveillance* and harrassment down the road - who knows how long they would have watched me if they thought I had a secret connection or something..\r\n\r\nBlueboxes were a big deal at the time and were connected to the mob, etc\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Fresca's Genitals","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-15 13:24:59","modified":"2005-07-15 13:24:59","fileurl":""},{"id":132561,"heading":"A little snooping of my own","article":"" over 5,350 posts since 2003-01-09"\r\n\r\nFirst of all, that figure reflects the number of posts that have the word fresca somewhere in the text. Not neccessarily authored by me.\r\n\r\nActual authored posts are around 2400.\r\n\r\nOver 2.5 years (according to hex) that's about 2.63 posts per day.\r\n\r\nNow let's look at hex.\r\n\r\nI searched three known nicks. Hex, Hex anon w\/ encryption and fresca genitals.\r\n\r\nHe posted over a total of about 190 days ( 8\/27\/03 - 1\/31\/04 and since 6\/6\/05)\r\n\r\nHow many posts?\r\n\r\nRoughly 1800 (seacrch the database using his three nicks in the author field and sort by 1 or 2 hundreds)\r\n\r\nThat's 9.47 posts per day.\r\n\r\nA little obsessive and a bit hypocritical wouldn't you say hex.\r\n\r\nGod I love to trounch you fools.","author":"fresca","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-15 14:49:10","modified":"2005-07-15 14:49:10","fileurl":""},{"id":132563,"heading":"I post DEATH TO___?","article":"and WHAT do I post dearist ?\r\n\r\ndata, info, technical facts, traces, screenshots\r\n\r\nwhat do YOU post ?\r\n\r\ndeath to Muslims, death to Islamics, death to Palestinians, sub-human this sub-human that\r\n\r\n\r\nH-A-T-E\r\n\r\n\r\nI'm glad you're honing some skills other than hate - this week you've learned to do demographic analysis, and now a keyword search\r\n\r\nquick counter you are there though\r\n\r\nI could only get 100 hits per page and still had to count 50 pages to get to the end of your hate\r\n\r\nmaybe you can give *me* some tips on how to do it so quick\r\n\r\n","author":"Fresca's Genitals","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-15 14:59:10","modified":"2005-07-15 14:59:10","fileurl":""},{"id":132565,"heading":"Sure","article":"" I could only get 100 hits per page and still had to count 50 pages to get to the end of your hate"\r\n\r\nSure I can help.\r\n\r\nFirst of all use the AUTHOR field and not the Keyword field you fool.\r\n\r\nSecond, sort the results by 200. If you don't have this option I don't know what to tell you.\r\nThere. That should help.\r\n\r\nThe point is that you're, again, wrong about one of your longwinded bouts of simple sleuthing.\r\n\r\nAnd the "data" you post is either copy and pasted nonsequitors or self designed baosting nonsense. (I love how an earlier post of yours about me immediately morphed into some nerd bragging about blueboxes - H.O.M.O)\r\n\r\nI am so glad you're back. It's been awhile since I've had this much fun.\r\n\r\nThe 2 or 3 regulars like sheep and kpc are simply boring.\r\n\r\nNow, are you still obsessed with my genitals? ","author":"fresca","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-15 15:07:48","modified":"2005-07-15 15:07:48","fileurl":""},{"id":132566,"heading":"dudes and weaselets","article":"I don't think fresca deserves this kind of attention. Unless you like to watch roaches.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-15 15:11:41","modified":"2005-07-15 15:11:41","fileurl":""},{"id":132568,"heading":"are you still obsessed with my genitals?","article":"oh definately !\r\n\r\n1.) what do they look like ? \r\n2.) how often do you use them ? \r\n3.) how well do they work ? \r\n4.) who do you use them with ? \r\n5.) what do they fit ? \r\n6.) how many people have experienced them ? \r\n7.) when did you first start using them ? \r\n8.) when's the first time someone experienced them ? \r\n9.) have more than 1 person at at time experienced them ? \r\n\r\n\r\nstart off by answering these 9 questions Fresca baby\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Fresca's Genitals","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-15 15:16:42","modified":"2005-07-15 15:16:42","fileurl":""},{"id":132570,"heading":"And by the way","article":"The only posts that I ever make about killing anyone are ALL the same.\r\n\r\nI'm all for destroying IslaMIST murderers.\r\n\r\nSTill am.\r\n\r\nThat probably accounts for about 7% of my posts in total.\r\n\r\nFor instance, my responses to your ridiculous attempts at posting pics of supposed "torture" at abu graib were right on. There was NO torture in any of those pics. A bunch of jackass soldiers humiliating prisoners but no torture and you know it.\r\n\r\nOf course it's your duty to keep calling apples oranges.\r\n\r\n","author":"fresca","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-15 15:17:42","modified":"2005-07-15 15:17:42","fileurl":""},{"id":132581,"heading":"I'm all for destroying Islamist","article":"you saw it here first folks !\r\n\r\nNOW what about your genitals - the 9 questions ?\r\n\r\nI'm collecting these death to _ statements as well - to show as a detailed list\r\n\r\nyou're saving me time by spewing them fresh for me - with current timestamps and everything !\r\n\r\n","author":"Fresca's Genitals","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-15 15:43:33","modified":"2005-07-15 15:43:33","fileurl":""},{"id":132584,"heading":"Just Curious","article":""I'm all for destroying Islamist\r\n\r\nyou saw it here first folks ! "\r\n\r\nYou DO understand the distinction between islam and IslaMISM right?\r\n\r\nAnd if so, how do you propose dealing with a group that exists solely to kill everyone of every different religion? ANd make NO mistake, islamists are exactly such a group.\r\n\r\nI say kill them. What about you?","author":"fresca","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-15 15:47:22","modified":"2005-07-15 15:47:22","fileurl":""},{"id":132589,"heading":"here's my values","article":"A single human life is more valuable than all the treasures in the universe\r\n\r\nI say you're half-dead already\r\n\r\n","author":"Fresca's Genitals","parent_id":132233,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-15 15:56:02","modified":"2005-07-15 15:56:02","fileurl":""}]}