{"article":{"id":131936,"heading":"London Calling \t","author":"Sheepdog's Pic","created":"2005-07-09 14:56:41","modified":"2005-07-11 08:28:48","last_modified":"Mon, 11 Jul 2005 15:28:48","article":"

London Calling \t

barkly \tlink



First, let us all agree that it is much too early to know who is responsible for the attacks in London. Second, let us also agree that to disallow evidence and jump to ridiculous conclusions is not going to help either.



Therefore, why don't we look at several facts that we do know:



1) Scotland Yard reports four blasts caused by approx 10lbs of high explosive

2) the blasts occurred by means of self-timers and went off within 45mins of each other

3) serious loss of life, injury and damage occurred

4) Benj. Netanyahu remained in his hotel, although he had been scheduled to speack at time of the blasts



Without belabouring the obvious, can we at least demand to know how so many kilos of high-explosive material is floating around in the tube? These are not firecrackers and travel alarm clocks here. Something stinks about the apparent ease with which both the explosives were prepared and how they appeared on the underground and bus. Theory (a) has it that a terrorist cell was able to do this, theory (b) has it that trained secret agents carried this out. I am not going to tell you which one I think is more likely. Anyway, we need Scotland Yard forensics to be honest and TELL US WHAT the stuff was and WHERE it was made! Believe me, they will know exactly what molecules they found!



Although it is a sad prospect, we should be realistic about who might have done this terrible act. Theory (a) has it that terrorists who \"hate our way of life\" would strike innocent commuters, theory (b) has it that black operatives, working to counteract the growing opposition to UK presence in Iraq, or working to stymie G8 action on global warming, or seeking to stifle opposition to national ID cards and other security measures have willingly slain our citizens. Well, again, you don't need to know my opinion on this. But be open-minded. Ask yourself: just because the Queen says it and it is repeated ad nauseum on television, does it become true?



Finally, there has been a lot of talk and redaction about who \"knew\" what and who warned whom immediately before the attacks. Let's stick to the fact: Netanyahu stayed in his hotel room. Imagine that. The teeming millions of London, minding their own business are blown to bits, while a certain individual cancels his scheduled address to hundreds of attendees and stays very well put. I'm not saying that anyone is to blame here, but do you get a creepy feeling the way I do? A sort of chill up and down your spine that leaves you thinking:



how the hell is it the \"leaders\" always survive to call for war? to take away our civil liberties? to rob us blind for weapons and armed occupations? to stamp us down and call us unpatriotic when we are not silently going along with their bankrupt policies? <\/p>\n","contact":"","link":"","address":"","phone":"","parent_id":0,"mime_type":"text\/plain","summary":"Let's Look at the facts.","numcomment":17,"fileurl":"\/uploads\/","filesize":null,"article_url":"\/news\/2005\/07\/131936.php"},"attachments":[],"comments":[{"id":131952,"heading":"about time","article":"not for long, the instrugency has begun in the U.K. and we must start in here in America as well. Only when we bring the suffering of the Iraqi people to the forefront of Americans will people see we are wrong to oppose Islam.","author":"me","parent_id":131936,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-09 16:57:43","modified":"2005-07-09 16:57:43","fileurl":""},{"id":131961,"heading":" instrugency has begun in the U.K.","article":"MI5 and MI6, the CIA and Mossad are insurgents?\r\nI'll note that.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":131936,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-09 17:39:18","modified":"2005-07-09 17:39:18","fileurl":""},{"id":131971,"heading":"link please","article":"gotta link for that netanyahu claim, sheepdog?","author":"barp pewkley","parent_id":131936,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-09 20:20:41","modified":"2005-07-09 20:20:41","fileurl":""},{"id":131982,"heading":"I can assist you, mr. Pukley","article":"Try this out since you asked so nice.\r\nhttp:\/\/news.yahoo.com\/news?tmpl=story&u=\/ap\/20050707\/ap_on_re_mi_ea\/israel_britain_explosions_1\r\nJuly 7, 2005\r\nAssociated Press\r\n\r\n\r\nNetanyahu Changed Plans Due to Warning\r\n\r\nBy AMY TEIBEL, Associated Press Writer Thu Jul 7, 7:14 AM ET\r\n\r\nJERUSALEM - British police told the Israeli Embassy in London minutes\r\nbefore Thursday's explosions that they had received warnings of\r\npossible terror attacks in the city, a senior Israeli official said.\r\nBenjamin Netanyahu had planned to attend an economic conference in a\r\nhotel over the subway stop where one of the blasts occurred, and the\r\nwarning prompted him to stay in his hotel room instead, government\r\nofficials said.\r\n\r\nForeign Minister Silvan Shalom said he wasn't aware of any Israeli\r\ncasualties.\r\n\r\nJust before the blasts, Scotland Yard called the security officer at\r\nthe Israeli Embassy to say they had received warnings of possible\r\nattacks, the official said. He did not say whether British police made\r\nany link to the economic conference.\r\n\r\nThe official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the nature of\r\nhis position.\r\n\r\nThe Israeli Embassy was in a state of emergency after the explosions\r\nin London, with no one allowed to enter or leave, said the Israeli\r\nambassador to London, Zvi Hefet.\r\n\r\nAll phone lines to the embassy were down, said Danny Biran, an Israeli\r\nForeign Ministry official.\r\n\r\nThe ministry set up a situation room to deal with hundreds of phone\r\ncalls from concerned relatives. Thousands of Israelis are living in\r\nLondon or visiting the city at this time, Biran said.\r\n\r\nAmir Gilad, a Netanyahu aide, told Israel Radio that Netanyahu's\r\nentourage was receiving updates all morning from British security\r\nofficials, and "we have also asked to change our plans."\r\n\r\nNetanyahu had been scheduled to stay in London until Sunday, but that\r\ncould change, Gilad said.\r\n","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":131936,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-09 23:35:00","modified":"2005-07-09 23:35:00","fileurl":""},{"id":131991,"heading":"me","article":""about time\r\n\r\n\r\nnot for long, the instrugency has begun in the U.K. and we must start in here in America as well. Only when we bring the suffering of the Iraqi people to the forefront of Americans will people see we are wrong to oppose Islam."\r\n\r\nYes! it's important we make people see that radical Islam is all about peace by blowing them up!\r\n\r\nDo you have any clue how absolutely stupid you are? How do you expect to sway people to your cause by killing innocents? You morons really haven't thought this through, have you?\r\n\r\nHowzbout you and your fellow explosive vest-wearing lunatics join the rest of us here in the 21st century, dood? Shoot, even the 19th would be a significant leap forward for you.\r\n\r\nYeah, yeah, issue a fatwah against me. Call me racist. Anything but face the truth: Radical Islam is a blight on the world.","author":"daveman","parent_id":131936,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-10 02:08:09","modified":"2005-07-10 02:08:09","fileurl":""},{"id":132011,"heading":"oh sure...","article":"It probaly was you under the 'me' nic who posted that comment.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":131936,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-10 11:26:33","modified":"2005-07-10 11:26:33","fileurl":""},{"id":132020,"heading":""Do you have any clue how absolutely stupid you are?"","article":"No but after yesterday you do\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex","parent_id":131936,"mime_type":"image\/gif","created":"2005-07-10 13:09:42","modified":"2005-08-15 03:14:55","fileurl":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/07\/google_victim_of_his_own_stupidity.gif","image":{"original":"\/usr\/local\/www-domains\/la.indymedia.org\/public\/uploads\/2005\/07\/google_victim_of_his_own_stupidity.gif"}},{"id":132021,"heading":"pick up girls","article":"shenquanqi1@yahoo.com\r\nshenquanqi1@yahoo.com\r\nshenquanqi1@yahoo.com\r\nshenquanqi1@yahoo.com\r\nshenquanqi1@yahoo.com\r\n\r\nhow to","author":"milk","parent_id":131936,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-10 13:58:25","modified":"2005-07-10 13:58:25","fileurl":""},{"id":132022,"heading":"London Response","article":"If I were in London right now, I'd be putting together the biggest, most in-your-face anti-war demonstration I could muster.","author":"The M\u00f3rr\u00edgan","parent_id":131936,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-10 14:18:53","modified":"2026-10-25 17:02:53","fileurl":""},{"id":132080,"heading":"what's the pt, sheepdog?","article":""..British police told the Israeli Embassy in London minutes before Thursday's explosions that they had received warnings of possible terror attacks in the city, a senior Israeli official said.."\r\n\r\nthe only line for this is blame the british cops\/intelligence for their misfortune of receiving the warning, and telling netanyahu..kidding?\r\nIs the mossad angle still in, as the escape hatch?","author":"barp pewkley","parent_id":131936,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-10 23:05:44","modified":"2005-07-10 23:05:44","fileurl":""},{"id":132083,"heading":"what?","article":"Are they mutually exclusive? All we know is that he, unlike the citizens of London was warned. \r\nWhat you are bringing up is a side issue. The webs of the intelligence agencies are hardly even known to themselves due to compartmentalization. Like I've said many times, National Security is a cover for criminality. Before 1947, there was no such excuse available until Truman made the 'bigest mastake he ever made' in signing the National Security Act. The nazis we had imported durring Operation Paperclip, were ready and waiting; to go into NASA, the CIA and Interpol.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":131936,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-10 23:31:53","modified":"2005-07-10 23:31:53","fileurl":""},{"id":132087,"heading":"hard","article":"it's hard to analyze your spraypainting of all intelligence networks as zombies, or even the evil, conspiratorial deadend scum you wish they were, as if the world hung in the balance. ..forget that for a sec, and deal with the reality of the LONDON bombings.\r\nBlair wont stand down, like zapatero, and that's what counts. \r\nDeal with that.\r\n","author":"barp pewkley","parent_id":131936,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-10 23:56:44","modified":"2005-07-10 23:56:44","fileurl":""},{"id":132088,"heading":"I know it's hard... for you, Mr. Pukely","article":"That's something YOU have to deal with.\r\nZombies? No, just 2nd generation nazis.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":131936,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-11 00:00:11","modified":"2005-07-11 00:00:11","fileurl":""},{"id":132094,"heading":"I've done extensive research","article":"into this very subject and what Sheepdog is saying is 95 % correct - I have actual data that backs it up - from paperclip on up to present..\r\n\r\nit's several thousand pages of material that I've actually read and analysed to see for myself - it's all archived too\r\n\r\nHe may be clueless when it comes to subjects like jet exhaust but he's *dead on the money* on issues of intel agencies - they have a long and very dirty history with abundant evidence there for the taking if you only actually take the time to check it out - characterizing the knowledge as "crazy" is thier # 1 favorite tactic but again the *data is there* - you just have to invest the time to look at it and see for yourself\r\n\r\n\r\nI specialize in datamining and am a speed reader so I've done the homework in less time then most people would need - it would take a few years to read everything that's out there, I've been studing it intensively for months and actually started collecting dirt in the mid 70's as a back-burner project\r\n\r\nthis is one subject I stand fully behind him on as I've actually seen the data...\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex","parent_id":131936,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-11 01:30:51","modified":"2005-07-11 01:30:51","fileurl":""},{"id":132104,"heading":" He may be clueless","article":" \r\nPlease get stuffed. \r\nYou juvenile attempts to discredit not only common observation by real researchers, who actually give their names and credentials, is getting to be repetitious. It's even kinda funny the dedication you have here to attempt to engage me in a pissing contest... because I have much better things to do then cross piss streams with you to see who gets more on the other. \r\nTo this extent, you and fresca share much in common despite the show you have decided to put on here. And I mean, put on. \r\nInsults from yourself as well as any other comments about me are becoming also repetitious in that they display some kind of obsession if not an agenda and I don't really care what you think or your opinion of my technical background. \r\nParticularly when you say things like ice 'evaporates' which shows one who, in this case, doesn't have a clue.","author":"Sheepdog","parent_id":131936,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-11 06:54:07","modified":"2005-07-11 06:54:07","fileurl":""},{"id":132107,"heading":"the science of pissing","article":"> ice 'evaporates' - a semantic smokescreen\r\n\r\nis that the best you have after displaying ignorance of where thousands of gallons of fuel goes and *what it becomes* ?\r\n\r\nand speaking of observation - ever notice how on a cold winter day the exhaust from cars *also* remains visible *just like jet trails*\r\n\r\nscience is far more than mere observation - the fact that you think thats all is required *also* shows you're clueless\r\n\r\nyou simply are not qualified to be practicing science when you don't even *know what it is*\r\n\r\nneither are your flake references\r\n\r\nmatter of fact it's THEM I refute with scientific reasoning since you have no thoughts of your own to speak of other than the simplist of concepts that *are taught even in elementary school*\r\n\r\n\r\nall you do is paste flake shit\r\n\r\nI refute it with real science\r\n\r\nif you want to be a big pissy sour grape about it be my guest - a "pissing contest" is a simple enough term for you to grasp\r\n\r\nIf and when you ever gain enough scientific ability to actually debate science it will be YOU I'll be refuting insted of your pasted "researchers"\r\n\r\nin any case science prevails\r\n\r\nif arguing data you can't even come close to understanding is percieved as "pissing" that's a defect you're going to have to deal with on your own, as *I don't stoop to that level*\r\n\r\nAs I pointed out if there was an element of "pissing" to my motivations I wouldn't bother to \r\n\r\nA) reply in hidden threads\r\n\r\nB) try to politely explain\r\n\r\nC) be nice and offer to help\r\n\r\nD) fully agree and support and defend you\r\n\r\nif I was a mean pissy person and not simply a scientist refuting scientific data (which is part of the *requirement OF being a scientist*) I would do none of those things !\r\n\r\nif you want to go around with a chip on your shoulder despite this, that's a weight you're going to have to carry alone\r\n\r\nwhen we agree I will still say so and still back you up (I do realize you never actually went through the intel dirt and you've simply allowed other's to do your thinking for you AGAIN just as you do with "EMOD", that once again paranoia carries the day with you)\r\n\r\nhowever in this case you actually ARE betting on the right horse - so I said so\r\n\r\nIf you want to piss that diplomacy away by being a sour puss, in the future I will agree but MAKE SURE AND EXPLAIN YOU ONLY INCEDENTALLY ARE CORRECT, that you *have no actual understanding of the issue*, that you *didn't do the homework* and that it's *only your paranoia* which happened to coincide with the facts\r\n\r\nyou've brought up credibility\r\n\r\nYOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NONE to be speaking about or judging other's on to begin with\r\n\r\nto have credibility you have to *think for yourself* not paste other's thoughts\r\n\r\nyou can't paste credibility - you have to earn it by proving you have a brain\r\n\r\nyou are in no position whatsoever to be even talking about credibility considering your history on here..\r\n\r\nwhen you are right about something, the proper thing to do is support you and give credit where credit is due - at least you don't look like a TOTAL flake then\r\n\r\nIf however you play the sour grape card I will also explain your history and all the things YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT along with it, everytime you stumble on the truth and the occasion arises (which is pretty rare)\r\n\r\nSo you can take cheap pot shots at me if you like\r\n\r\nbut I also can *show with your own words* what a fool you are - even when I *do* agree\r\n\r\nit's your choice\r\n\r\n","author":"Hex","parent_id":131936,"mime_type":"text\/plain","created":"2005-07-11 08:28:48","modified":"2005-07-11 08:28:48","fileurl":""}]}